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Imperator Ceasar
Caldari 104th Ranger Mobile Combat Regiment
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Posted - 2010.02.22 06:10:00 -
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THIS HAS TO BE A "SCREW OFF" MESSAGE - OR IT IS READY TO SCAM ANYONE WHO IS STUPID ENOUGH TO AGREE TO THEIR SO CALLED "TERMS" -
From: Dianabolic Sent: 2010.02.21 10:54 To: Imperator Ceasar,
I would recommend 1M4-FK, however before we go further you should be aware of the terms if you are not already:
Per system EXCLUSIVE use:
Pricetag; 10 billion / month, 15 billion deposit. Renter buys ugrades, we install them Renter hauls upgrades, we anchor them Moonmining not allowed. Moonrefinieries not allowed.
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5QU199L35
Minmatar L337 KR3W
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Posted - 2010.02.22 06:22:00 -
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seems reasonable to me
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Salmeria
Gallente GoonFleet Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2010.02.22 06:41:00 -
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its a -.03 system lol
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Lord Rahvin
Gallente Crimson Empire. Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.02.22 06:45:00 -
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Better question, will renters be set blue to the rest of the coalition?
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Daco Cutter
Gallente NQX Innovations HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.02.22 07:08:00 -
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Even better question is since this is a cesspit of the forums, how easy was it for him to come up with that just to flame them, or more plausible to get himself attention because he is feeling un-noticed.......... ----------
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Captain ULTIMATE
Amarr DarkStar 1 SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
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Posted - 2010.02.22 07:08:00 -
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I hear there are expensive sov bills to cover.
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Ribeye Jaksom
Caldari ElitistOps
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Posted - 2010.02.22 07:09:00 -
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Edited by: Ribeye Jaksom on 22/02/2010 07:11:06 Why pay when you can move there right now for free. These guys will do nothing to stop you. Also some of them carry some nice loot around why would you want them blue.
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SavageBastard
Caldari Igneus Auctorita SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
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Posted - 2010.02.22 07:31:00 -
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You should obviously pay them for space that you can upgrade to be just as good as any other system in 0.0 but still not as good as running missions in empire.
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Kola XXX
Caldari Versatech Co. Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.02.22 07:33:00 -
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Originally by: Captain ULTIMATE I hear there are expensive sov bills to cover.
Where did you hear this nonsense? |
Stinger 21
Minmatar Vodka Inc
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Posted - 2010.02.22 07:38:00 -
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A deadend can give alot of isk with upgrades, a few guys with 5 Hulk char each can earn alot of money there. Not sure about that 15 bil in deposit.
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Betty Boom
Caldari SPECTRE Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.02.22 08:23:00 -
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The system has an icebelt and you have 30 moons to run reactions-pos. Next system is a station. Looks like you doesnt understand the mail or how to make profit.^^
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Omeega
Amarr Lethal Corp RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.02.22 08:41:00 -
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How did you expect IT to keep up with Shrike's titan losses?
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Diane Curie
Gallente JotunHeim Hird Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2010.02.22 08:58:00 -
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Those seems to the general terms they are offering. You have two options (besides paying). Find better accomodation elsewhere or find a nice quiet system and just take it.
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Yaay
Amarr UK Corp Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2010.02.22 09:19:00 -
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Edited by: Yaay on 22/02/2010 09:19:47
Originally by: Imperator Ceasar THIS HAS TO BE A "SCREW OFF" MESSAGE - OR IT IS READY TO SCAM ANYONE WHO IS STUPID ENOUGH TO AGREE TO THEIR SO CALLED "TERMS" -
From: Dianabolic Sent: 2010.02.21 10:54 To: Imperator Ceasar,
I would recommend 1M4-FK, however before we go further you should be aware of the terms if you are not already:
Per system EXCLUSIVE use:
Pricetag; 10 billion / month, 15 billion deposit. Renter buys ugrades, we install them Renter hauls upgrades, we anchor them Moonmining not allowed. Moonrefinieries not allowed.
Obviously, you have no Idea how 0.0 mechanics work. However, that said, I'll undercut their price by 5 billion on the deposit, and 2 billion a month with all other stipulations remaining the same.
We will even give you a station system with a refinery if you so desire. Our shuttle prices in station will also be under 500k each, sorry Dian, Capitalism and all.
DD changes
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Anna Valerios
Amarr Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.02.22 09:26:00 -
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Most of IT's leaderships are mocking the pricing behind their leaderships backs as it is completely deluded which is to be expected with a combination of Molle and Dian ;)
When an alliance like Atlas can rent out 50+ systems and yet IT have only a handfull of alliances renting. ~ avs |
Keflin Geard
Gallente The Circle Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.02.22 10:14:00 -
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Renters fail - and alliances that allow renters fail. If you want space - go get it, or die trying.
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Schani Kratnorr
Amarr x13 IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.22 10:21:00 -
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Originally by: Imperator Ceasar THIS HAS TO BE A "SCREW OFF" MESSAGE - OR IT IS READY TO SCAM ANYONE WHO IS STUPID ENOUGH TO AGREE TO THEIR SO CALLED "TERMS"
Capital letters, really?
Now I am not Dian, but as far as I know, the numbers are correct. If you took offense I think you are overreacting. A high price usually means "if you dont have the money you are welcome to try somewhere else."
Agreed not everyone can afford a massive deposit like. Some will though. And they may (or may not) be better prepared to utilize their space than less affluent tenants.
I do not think the iT rental agreements are fraudulent. It would be counter-productive to attempt to trick people into handing over pocket change, when trying to secure a long lasting relationship.
(not actually an official speaky-type person. do not listen to me)
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SavageBastard
Caldari Igneus Auctorita SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
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Posted - 2010.02.22 10:34:00 -
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Edited by: SavageBastard on 22/02/2010 10:35:08
Originally by: Schani Kratnorr
Originally by: Imperator Ceasar THIS HAS TO BE A "SCREW OFF" MESSAGE - OR IT IS READY TO SCAM ANYONE WHO IS STUPID ENOUGH TO AGREE TO THEIR SO CALLED "TERMS"
Capital letters, really?
Now I am not Dian, but as far as I know, the numbers are correct. If you took offense I think you are overreacting. A high price usually means "if you dont have the money you are welcome to try somewhere else."
Thanks for that knockout analysis there guy. Now people know that if they don't have enough money then they can't afford it.
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Schani Kratnorr
Amarr x13 IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.22 10:56:00 -
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Originally by: SavageBastard Thanks for that knockout analysis there guy. Now people know that if they don't have enough money then they can't afford it.
You are welcome! On a related note, I should also mention that the same basic principle of "empty wallet, empty bag" applies to the automated in-game billing system.
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Underlaget
Caldari Royal Order of Security Specialists
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Posted - 2010.02.22 11:06:00 -
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Originally by: Keflin Geard Renters fail - and alliances that allow renters fail. If you want space - go get it, or die trying.
^^^
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Morgaaan
Gallente Silver Snake Enterprise Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.02.22 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: Keflin Geard Renters fail - and alliances that allow renters fail. If you want space - go get it, or die trying.
Did you miss the memo about our new rentrs in PB.......now shush yer gonna scare off the customers :)
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Daedhead
Caldari GoonWaffe SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
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Posted - 2010.02.22 11:51:00 -
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Originally by: Morgaaan
Originally by: Keflin Geard Renters fail - and alliances that allow renters fail. If you want space - go get it, or die trying.
Did you miss the memo about our new rentrs in PB.......now shush yer gonna scare off the customers :)
Sys-k having renters is like AAA Citizens having renters, it's unfathomable.
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Garia666
Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E Hostile Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.22 11:52:00 -
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Edited by: Garia666 on 22/02/2010 11:53:48 Atlas asks +/- 200 mill for a system.. you can put up your own upgrades.. just no cyno jammer. Systems with outpost are allot more expensive but still no 10 bill amonth.. more like 3 or 4
Thats why alliances like it so much.. it also puts an local security in its place.. ( local police ) that way atlas can just leave there system and go war other alliances..
its very smart tbh.. www.garia.net |
Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2010.02.22 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: Yaay Obviously, you have no Idea how 0.0 mechanics work. However, that said, I'll undercut their price by 5 billion on the deposit, and 2 billion a month with all other stipulations remaining the same.
We will even give you a station system with a refinery if you so desire. Our shuttle prices in station will also be under 500k each, sorry Dian, Capitalism and all.
Yeah... That offer is so bad they should stick it where the sun doesn't shine.
Renter buying upgrades is OK. Renter transporting upgrade is braindead. Who has the titans to JB them out? Surely that must be the renters.
And moon mining... If you're not mining the moon, why would you care what the renters do? Let them mine/refine those you do not claim.
Any contract must _explicitly_ give the renters free reign to pursue escalations, else find someone else to rent from.
10 billion for _one_ system? A single system will support some 20-30 people max spread over all timezones... asking more than 100M per pilot is not going to be very marketable prices...
They are your customers, not carebears to be fleeced.
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Yaay
Amarr UK Corp Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2010.02.22 12:09:00 -
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Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab
Originally by: Yaay Obviously, you have no Idea how 0.0 mechanics work. However, that said, I'll undercut their price by 5 billion on the deposit, and 2 billion a month with all other stipulations remaining the same.
We will even give you a station system with a refinery if you so desire. Our shuttle prices in station will also be under 500k each, sorry Dian, Capitalism and all.
Yeah... That offer is so bad they should stick it where the sun doesn't shine.
Renter buying upgrades is OK. Renter transporting upgrade is braindead. Who has the titans to JB them out? Surely that must be the renters.
And moon mining... If you're not mining the moon, why would you care what the renters do? Let them mine/refine those you do not claim.
Any contract must _explicitly_ give the renters free reign to pursue escalations, else find someone else to rent from.
10 billion for _one_ system? A single system will support some 20-30 people max spread over all timezones... asking more than 100M per pilot is not going to be very marketable prices...
They are your customers, not carebears to be fleeced.
You're thinking in terms of 1 day. 30 pilots x 24hrs x 20 mil per hr (low ball) = 14.4 bil a day... half of that is 7.2 bil a day. Never have pity on renters, give them an opportunity to exploit you and they will.
Renters always play the pity card, they get a **** load out of a system, especially with the upgrades now. At a low 12 hr estimate, and by most renter standards, 12 hrs income x 30 pilots daily x 20 mil/hr is very low, they can cover it in 1.5 days, leaving 28.5 days of freedom per month.
Atlas has no enemies, and no ability to retain half the space they hold. It makes sense to rent it cheap b/c there is so much. They just have 3/4 of eve blued or naped and renters too dumb or scared to figure out how much cheaper owning space is.
IT conversely have an EPEEN rep to uphold, which means losing 1 station would cost them 300 members in an instant, and more mockery here. IT also know that even if it is renter owned space, if it's lost, they take the fall on these forums. Atlas is better at scapegoating, b/c well, they don't give a **** anyways.
Personalities play a role in price. IT consider themselves top dollar even if the rest of eve does not.
Atlas has **** loads of space and not a care in the world.
We have less space, but we won't give it up cheaply to be abused, we'd rather squat on it ourselves.
Such is the personalities of EVE.
Now how about that deal?
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Fire Hawk
Gallente Destructive Influence IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.22 12:18:00 -
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Mostly harmm..... never fails to deliver ... ___ Fear the french touch.
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Daedhead
Caldari GoonWaffe SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
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Posted - 2010.02.22 12:50:00 -
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Originally by: Fire Hawk Mostly harmm..... never fails to deliver ...
IT Alliance spinning like a top itt.
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VonKaplanek III
Caldari Destructive Influence IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.22 13:09:00 -
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Originally by: Keflin Geard Renters fail - and alliances that allow renters fail. If you want space - go get it, or die trying.
So if iT are fail please remind me how you got period basis again?
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Daedhead
Caldari GoonWaffe SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
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Posted - 2010.02.22 13:40:00 -
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Originally by: VonKaplanek III
Originally by: Keflin Geard Renters fail - and alliances that allow renters fail. If you want space - go get it, or die trying.
So if iT are fail please remind me how you got period basis again?
They got Period Basis because niarT epaR failed to pay a sovereignty bill and we pulled the plug which logically forced ZAF to leave as well.
If you are implying that Sys-k only have sovereignty in Period Basis because you allow them then you are seriously delusional. Sys-k are AAA pets, not IT pets.
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Callum545
Caldari Lone Star Joint Venture Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.02.22 13:41:00 -
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hmm seems reasonable where do i sign up?
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