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Goose Hypocrisy Caldari The Executives IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.02.22 22:55:00 - [91] Originally by: Major Raditz Sniping page 3 Nice, but page 4 is mine. -clp
davet517 Caldari Raata Invicti Reckoning.	Posted - 2010.02.22 22:58:00 - [92] Originally by: Vertumnus I guess CCP thinks people will just freighter in the updates / ihubs 50+ jumps (LOL) Titan Bridge them?.. how many small alliance have a titan to bridge ? We didn't have any trouble with this. We did do a couple of long freighter convoys. Favorable worm holes have allowed us to do the rest. Quote: Dominion was made for the smaller alliances to get space, In fact we are seeing this, but its not in the form of fighting for the space. and holding it.. its more like renting I think that's working as intended, and the next expansion is going to embelish on it. Those with large amounts of space right now have different strategies for how to develop and keep it. Some will take the approach of working with smaller alliances like partners, and want them to have some vested interest in their space, others will use them like disposable share-croppers. Each strategy will have near-term advantages and long term consequences. The next few years should be interesting. ---------------- We're recruiting quality players. Check us out.
Lee Wai Gallente x13 IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.02.22 23:02:00 - [93] Originally by: Jones Bones Things I've learned from this thread: 0.0 still sucks. IT has a failure of a sales department. And Goons (SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO wtf is that?!) are bitter and still feel the need to post in every single ****ing thread in here. Haleluja! --Sig--
VCBee 2fast2furious Gallente GoonWaffe SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO	Posted - 2010.02.22 23:10:00 - [94] Originally by: Lee Wai And Goons (SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO wtf is that?!) are bitter and still feel the need to post in every single ****ing thread in here. I thought posting alot was a sign that we were scared, not bitter. CAOD can be so confusing
Daedhead Caldari GoonWaffe SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO	Posted - 2010.02.22 23:10:00 - [95] Originally by: Lee Wai Originally by: Jones Bones Things I've learned from this thread: 0.0 still sucks. IT has a failure of a sales department. And Goons (SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO wtf is that?!) are bitter and still feel the need to post in every single ****ing thread in here. Haleluja! never stop posting
Pubsey Caldari GoonWaffe SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO	Posted - 2010.02.22 23:18:00 - [96] i'm bitter as hell
Twigand Berries Caldari GoonWaffe SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO	Posted - 2010.02.22 23:31:00 - [97] hey I'm still in Delve. how much do I owe you guys?
Pubsey Caldari GoonWaffe SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO	Posted - 2010.02.22 23:34:00 - [98] 4.20 trillion iskies
Daedhead Caldari GoonWaffe SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO	Posted - 2010.02.22 23:36:00 - [99] Originally by: Twigand Berries hey I'm still in Delve. how much do I owe you guys? enough to buy every IT member a personal mommyship
Imperator Ceasar Caldari 104th Ranger Mobile Combat Regiment	Posted - 2010.02.22 23:37:00 - [100] Hey guys - let's ratchet down the rhetoric - I thought the IT offer was an amusing way to refuse entry, but I also wanted to see if it was way outside the realms of reality. So, I'd say I've learned a fair bit here and that my goals were met. I still maintain that large alliances should be limited somehow - power corrupts and we cannot leave it to individuals to police themselves in that regard. So, some limits need to be imposed IMO. I thought the link in the thread starter offered an interesting perspective, but I also expected large alliances to balk at it because it would interfere with their control and conquest plans. All in all, balance must be served - and righrt now, IMO again, I dont see the balance here in how things are currently.

Cadela Fria Amarr x13 IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.02.22 23:53:00 - [101] Originally by: Imperator Ceasar Hey guys - let's ratchet down the rhetoric - I thought the IT offer was an amusing way to refuse entry, but I also wanted to see if it was way outside the realms of reality. So, I'd say I've learned a fair bit here and that my goals were met. I still maintain that large alliances should be limited somehow - power corrupts and we cannot leave it to individuals to police themselves in that regard. So, some limits need to be imposed IMO. I thought the link in the thread starter offered an interesting perspective, but I also expected large alliances to balk at it because it would interfere with their control and conquest plans. All in all, balance must be served - and righrt now, IMO again, I dont see the balance here in how things are currently. For starters I doubt there were ever any rhetoric, but fine..lets get back to fundamentals. Whats the problem? Alliances holding too much space Whats the solution? Make space holding progressively more costly based on the number of systems you hold sov in Fine..I could go with that. No sense in having sov in systems you don't use anyway. So whats the problem now? You still cant have newer players getting into 0.0 despite the greatly reduced sov holding. Why? Well you try and moving in next to 6000 people who don't want you there as a new alliance. You cant now, nor can you ever patch your way out of lots of people sticking together for a common goal. Ever..it can't happen.
Eskalin Minmatar Evolution IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.02.23 00:11:00 - [102] Edited by: Eskalin on 23/02/2010 00:12:35 Originally by: Imperator Ceasar Hey guys - let's ratchet down the rhetoric - I thought the IT offer was an amusing way to refuse entry, but I also wanted to see if it was way outside the realms of reality. So, I'd say I've learned a fair bit here and that my goals were met. I still maintain that large alliances should be limited somehow - power corrupts and we cannot leave it to individuals to police themselves in that regard. So, some limits need to be imposed IMO. I thought the link in the thread starter offered an interesting perspective, but I also expected large alliances to balk at it because it would interfere with their control and conquest plans. All in all, balance must be served - and righrt now, IMO again, I dont see the balance here in how things are currently. i don't believe you really understand eve, the players of eve, nor the concept of a sandbox game. maybe you would be more comfortable in a game where your content is instanced and hostile interaction with other players is more consensual. it is our space if you don't like the rates, rent elsewhere or take your own. If babies weren't to be eaten they wouldn't be hibachi sized
Imperator Ceasar Caldari 104th Ranger Mobile Combat Regiment	Posted - 2010.02.23 00:14:00 - [103] Originally by: Cadela Fria For starters I doubt there were ever any rhetoric, but fine..lets get back to fundamentals. Whats the problem? Alliances holding too much space Whats the solution? Make space holding progressively more costly based on the number of systems you hold sov in Fine..I could go with that. No sense in having sov in systems you don't use anyway. So whats the problem now? You still cant have newer players getting into 0.0 despite the greatly reduced sov holding. Why? Well you try and moving in next to 6000 people who don't want you there as a new alliance. You cant now, nor can you ever patch your way out of lots of people sticking together for a common goal. Ever..it can't happen. I'm not suggesting that anyone even try to prevent people from sticking together - but we can force alliances into holding only a maximum number of sov systems & make holding the maxium number progressively more costly and unrealistic even. Breaking up the power blocks into a mishmash of smaller alliances - ok, fine. You are advocating for somethign that services your own current interests, so quite honestly you're lacking the gravitas to make your statements stick, for that reason alone.
Cadela Fria Amarr x13 IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.02.23 00:19:00 - [104] Edited by: Cadela Fria on 23/02/2010 00:25:45 Originally by: Imperator Ceasar Originally by: Cadela Fria For starters I doubt there were ever any rhetoric, but fine..lets get back to fundamentals. Whats the problem? Alliances holding too much space Whats the solution? Make space holding progressively more costly based on the number of systems you hold sov in Fine..I could go with that. No sense in having sov in systems you don't use anyway. So whats the problem now? You still cant have newer players getting into 0.0 despite the greatly reduced sov holding. Why? Well you try and moving in next to 6000 people who don't want you there as a new alliance. You cant now, nor can you ever patch your way out of lots of people sticking together for a common goal. Ever..it can't happen. I'm not suggesting that anyone even try to prevent people from sticking together - but we can force alliances into holding only a maximum number of sov systems & make holding the maxium number progressively more costly and unrealistic even. Breaking up the power blocks into a mishmash of smaller alliances - ok, fine. You are advocating for somethign that services your own current interests, so quite honestly you're lacking the gravitas to make your statements stick, for that reason alone. I'm not advocating anything..I'm poking holes in your logic and suggestions because they are not viable nor do they consider the bigger picture of EVE and the concept of 0.0 alliances in it. No matter how much you divide people by game mechanics they will always be 1 entity fighting and living together. So all you would do, is cause unnecessary problems. You can howl at my bias of being in IT as much as you want..please, go right ahead..but there will still be 6000 people in that area of space, who don't want new neighbors unless they can control them and/or get money from them. Having less sovereignty by game mechanics and "controlling" space are 2 different things..one of them you can patch to control, the other you cant. I'll let you figure out which is which. EDIT: If you think you can take and hold space while living right next door to IT, irrespective of how many sov systems we hold..350 or 35..doesn't matter. If you think you can do it, then go for it. This is not me daring you to or threatning you, it is me saying if you think you could do it with us holding 35 systems, then 350 (or however many we actually have..wait..goes to dotlan real quick)..scratch that..105, should mean just the same.
Aaron Mirrorsaver Gallente R.E.C.O.N.	Posted - 2010.02.23 00:21:00 - [105] Originally by: Yaay Edited by: Yaay on 22/02/2010 09:19:47 Originally by: Imperator Ceasar THIS HAS TO BE A "SCREW OFF" MESSAGE - OR IT IS READY TO SCAM ANYONE WHO IS STUPID ENOUGH TO AGREE TO THEIR SO CALLED "TERMS" - From: Dianabolic Sent: 2010.02.21 10:54 To: Imperator Ceasar, I would recommend 1M4-FK, however before we go further you should be aware of the terms if you are not already: Per system EXCLUSIVE use: Pricetag; 10 billion / month, 15 billion deposit. Renter buys ugrades, we install them Renter hauls upgrades, we anchor them Moonmining not allowed. Moonrefinieries not allowed. Obviously, you have no Idea how 0.0 mechanics work. However, that said, I'll undercut their price by 5 billion on the deposit, and 2 billion a month with all other stipulations remaining the same. We will even give you a station system with a refinery if you so desire. Our shuttle prices in station will also be under 500k each, sorry Dian, Capitalism and all. wow nothing changes. you are still a useless * and a terrible got fc. you wont have any space to rent soon anyway. so you should ask IT to rent some space in delve and querious yourself. ------ Your signature is inappropriate and is therefore locked for CCP impersonation. Please file a petition when you have an appropriate signature.
Imperator Ceasar Caldari 104th Ranger Mobile Combat Regiment	Posted - 2010.02.23 00:24:00 - [106] Originally by: Eskalin i don't believe you really understand eve, the players of eve, nor the concept of a sandbox game. maybe you would be more comfortable in a game where your content is instanced and hostile interaction with other players is more consensual. it is our space if you don't like the rates, rent elsewhere or take your own. Oh, I get it believe me - I'm a field grade officer in the US Army, my friend - I'm not stupid and there is no need to talk down to me. If Eve gets out of balance and pilots become less free or coerced and/or forced into joining a power block to get the goodies of 0.0, Eve will eventually lose its appeal. So, IMO the control and reach of large alliances ought to be artificially limited, with sov being tied to member numbers and increasingly higher costs as more systems are sov'd, up to the maxium allowed (see thread starter link). The fact that you're advocating for something that benefits your own interests only means you have zero gravitas on the matter.
Daedhead Caldari GoonWaffe SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO	Posted - 2010.02.23 00:24:00 - [107] Edited by: Daedhead on 23/02/2010 00:23:54 Originally by: Aaron Mirrorsaver wow nothing changes. you are still a useless * and a terrible *got fc. you wont have any space to rent soon anyway. so you should ask IT to rent some space in delve and querious yourself. what
Imperator Ceasar Caldari 104th Ranger Mobile Combat Regiment	Posted - 2010.02.23 00:29:00 - [108] Edited by: Imperator Ceasar on 23/02/2010 00:29:56 Originally by: Cadela Fria I'm not advocating anything.. I'm poking holes in your logic and suggestions because they are not viable nor do they consider the bigger picture of EVE and the concept of 0.0 alliances in it. No matter how much you divide people by game mechanics they will always be 1 entity fighting and living together. So all you would do, is cause unnecessary problems. You can howl at my bias of being in IT as much as you want..please, go right ahead..but there will still be 6000 people in that area of space, who don't want new neighbors unless they can control them and/or get money from them. Having less sovereignty by game mechanics and "controlling" space are 2 different things..one of them you can patch to control, the other you cant. I'll let you figure out which is which. Good - I understand all that, so your continued insults insults (aka talking down to me) only serves to undermine your credibility.. Breaking them up with game mechanics is one way to put a dent in the system, and its a place I'm quite happy to start with.
Douglas Pearce Caldari Music Martinis and Misanthropy	Posted - 2010.02.23 00:30:00 - [109] Originally by: Daedhead Edited by: Daedhead on 23/02/2010 00:23:54 Originally by: Aaron Mirrorsaver wow nothing changes. you are still a useless * and a terrible *got fc. you wont have any space to rent soon anyway. so you should ask IT to rent some space in delve and querious yourself. what I believe he's referring to MAX2 ----------- I disagree
Cadela Fria Amarr x13 IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.02.23 00:31:00 - [110] Originally by: Imperator Ceasar Originally by: Eskalin i don't believe you really understand eve, the players of eve, nor the concept of a sandbox game. maybe you would be more comfortable in a game where your content is instanced and hostile interaction with other players is more consensual. it is our space if you don't like the rates, rent elsewhere or take your own. Oh, I get it believe me - I'm a field grade officer in the US Army, my friend - I'm not stupid and there is no need to talk down to me. If Eve gets out of balance and pilots become less free or coerced and/or forced into joining a power block to get the goodies of 0.0, Eve will eventually lose its appeal. So, IMO the control and reach of large alliances ought to be artificially limited, with sov being tied to member numbers and increasingly higher costs as more systems are sov'd, up to the maxium allowed (see thread starter link). The fact that you're advocating for something that benefits your own interests only means you have zero gravitas on the matter. Perhaps that would be more valid if you weren't talking down to people yourself. You know how first of all you're older and wiser than the rest of us, not to mention a field grade officer in the US Army now as well, which obviously we simpletons can't meassure up to. Even more so, it would be valid if EVE had anything to do with the US Army in respects to how it works. Which it doesn't..unless the US Army is rampantly scamming, lying, ganking helpless people, stealing, flying spaceships and consists of anyone who were willing to pay money to get in. Oh..and was a video game. Theres way more to that list, but..you get the idea.

Imperator Ceasar Caldari 104th Ranger Mobile Combat Regiment	Posted - 2010.02.23 00:35:00 - [111] Originally by: Cadela Fria Perhaps that would be more valid if you weren't talking down to people yourself. You know how first of all you're older and wiser than the rest of us, not to mention a field grade officer in the US Army now as well, which obviously we simpletons can't meassure up to. Even more so, it would be valid if EVE had anything to do with the US Army in respects to how it works. Which it doesn't..unless the US Army is rampantly scamming, lying, ganking helpless people, stealing, flying spaceships and consists of anyone who were willing to pay money to get in. Oh..and was a video game. Theres way more to that list, but..you get the idea. TRANSLATION: Cadela gave up the field points to white flag LOL I dont conduct myself the way you describe - and I'm glad I dont. I've made no comparisons to the Army - so dont even go there.
Cadela Fria Amarr x13 IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.02.23 00:43:00 - [112] Edited by: Cadela Fria on 23/02/2010 00:46:50 Edited by: Cadela Fria on 23/02/2010 00:45:47 Originally by: Imperator Ceasar Originally by: Cadela Fria Perhaps that would be more valid if you weren't talking down to people yourself. You know how first of all you're older and wiser than the rest of us, not to mention a field grade officer in the US Army now as well, which obviously we simpletons can't meassure up to. Even more so, it would be valid if EVE had anything to do with the US Army in respects to how it works. Which it doesn't..unless the US Army is rampantly scamming, lying, ganking helpless people, stealing, flying spaceships and consists of anyone who were willing to pay money to get in. Oh..and was a video game. Theres way more to that list, but..you get the idea. TRANSLATION: Cadela gave up the field points to white flag LOL I dont conduct myself the way you describe - and I'm glad I dont. I've made no comparisons to the Army - so dont even go there. First you talk down to me "Translation blah blah" and then you say you don't behave that way. Well done.. And just to add insult to injury, why'd you say this then? Originally by: Imperator Ceasar THOSE OF US WHO ARE OLDER AND WISER IN R.L. KNOW BETTER... Because you didn't say that right?..well, sorry..you actually did. Secondly why'd you bring up your position in the US Army then if it wasn't to make a point in regards to EVE about it? In fact you said "I get EVE because I'm in the US Army" ...right? Or? Was it because you wanted to say you're smart? Not sure why you'd want to prove that to anyone, or would need to. Thirdly, nobody is talking down to you...Especially not me. I wouldn't dream of it. I don't agree with you though and I consider your suggestions and arguments so far to be flawed, which is why I'm debating in the first place..If I thought what you said was sound and had merit, I wouldn't be talking at all, or I'd be backing you up. If you consider that a personal insult, then really thats your own problem, not mine. EDIT: The still leaves us where there is currently 6000 people sitting in and around Delve, irrespective of how much sov those people hold. No amount of butthurt feelings can change that. If you don't want to pay the rent, or don't want to risk fighting those 6000 people over space you took right next to them, well..then don't. I mean what else do you want me to tell you?
Imperator Ceasar Caldari 104th Ranger Mobile Combat Regiment	Posted - 2010.02.23 00:47:00 - [113] Edited by: Imperator Ceasar on 23/02/2010 00:50:23 Edited by: Imperator Ceasar on 23/02/2010 00:48:18 Originally by: Cadela Fria Edited by: Cadela Fria on 23/02/2010 00:45:47 Originally by: Imperator Ceasar Originally by: Cadela Fria Perhaps that would be more valid if you weren't talking down to people yourself. You know how first of all you're older and wiser than the rest of us, not to mention a field grade officer in the US Army now as well, which obviously we simpletons can't meassure up to. Even more so, it would be valid if EVE had anything to do with the US Army in respects to how it works. Which it doesn't..unless the US Army is rampantly scamming, lying, ganking helpless people, stealing, flying spaceships and consists of anyone who were willing to pay money to get in. Oh..and was a video game. Theres way more to that list, but..you get the idea. TRANSLATION: Cadela gave up the field points to white flag LOL I dont conduct myself the way you describe - and I'm glad I dont. I've made no comparisons to the Army - so dont even go there. First you talk down to me "Translation blah blah" and then you say you don't behave that way. Well done.. And just to add insult to injury, why'd you say this then? Originally by: Imperator Ceasar THOSE OF US WHO ARE OLDER AND WISER IN R.L. KNOW BETTER... Because you didn't say that right?..well, sorry..you actually did. Secondly why'd you bring up your position in the US Army then if it wasn't to make a point in regards to EVE about it? Was it because you wanted to say you're smart? Not sure why you'd want to prove that to anyone, or would need to. Thirdly, nobody is talking down to you...Especially not me. I wouldn't dream of it. I don't agree with you though and I consider your suggestions and arguments so far to be flawed, which is why I'm debating in the first place..If I thought what you said was sound and had merit, I wouldn't be talking at all, or I'd be backing you up. If you consider that a personal insult, then really thats your own problem, not mine. EDIT: The still leaves us where there is currently 6000 people sitting in and around Delve, irrespective of how much sov those people hold. No amount of butthurt feelings can change that. If you don't want to pay the rent, or don't want to risk fighting those 6000 people over space you took right next to them, well..then don't. I mean what else do you want me to tell you? I said it because of how I was talked to.... and more often than not, kids post comments here and they tend to forget adults play this game too. AND, I think you're advocating only for your poitn of view, not logic nor merits - but that is to be expected.
Lunas Whisper Minmatar The Centurions Eternus Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2010.02.23 00:56:00 - [114] Originally by: Imperator Ceasar Originally by: Cadela Fria For starters I doubt there were ever any rhetoric, but fine..lets get back to fundamentals. Whats the problem? Alliances holding too much space Whats the solution? Make space holding progressively more costly based on the number of systems you hold sov in Fine..I could go with that. No sense in having sov in systems you don't use anyway. So whats the problem now? You still cant have newer players getting into 0.0 despite the greatly reduced sov holding. Why? Well you try and moving in next to 6000 people who don't want you there as a new alliance. You cant now, nor can you ever patch your way out of lots of people sticking together for a common goal. Ever..it can't happen. I'm not suggesting that anyone even try to prevent people from sticking together - but we can force alliances into holding only a maximum number of sov systems & make holding the maxium number progressively more costly and unrealistic even. Breaking up the power blocks into a mishmash of smaller alliances - ok, fine. You are advocating for somethign that services your own current interests, so quite honestly you're lacking the gravitas to make your statements stick, for that reason alone. Imperator, that wouldn't work. Take a good look at Npc space. If a large enough alliance in npc space didn't want you there, they'd blow you up enough that you wouldn't stay there. You want 0.0 to open up, you gotta get with and work to getting a large enough alliance to push your way in, maintain the security of it. Which I might add is a pain in the bunion. United we stand, divided we fall.
Cadela Fria Amarr x13 IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.02.23 00:56:00 - [115] Originally by: Imperator Ceasar I said it because of how I was talked to.... AND, I think you're advocating only for your poitn of view, not logic nor merits - but that is to be expected. So because people don't agree with you, you get to talk down to them and tell them to respect you..Sorry but I'm not inclined to buy that kind of excuse. Even less from someone who so mightily waves their rank in the US Army around like its a ticket to special treatment. Secondly..what exactly am I advocating? I'm curious at this point, because all I've said is that there is 6000 people in and around delve..that has nothing to do with advocating. Thats a solid fact.
Metal Dude Gallente Destructive Influence IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.02.23 01:01:00 - [116] Originally by: Imperator Ceasar I said it because of how I was talked to.... and more often than not, kids post comments here and they tend to forget adults play this game too. AND, I think you're advocating only for your poitn of view, not logic nor merits - but that is to be expected. So where are you going to take or rent space, because I will love coming there and taking it from you. Maybe you can call in US Army to help you defend it, tough guy. From the sound of you, it is more likely that you'll call the boy scouts instead. The truth will set you free
Nicolo da'Vicenza Amarr Dissonance Corp Primary.	Posted - 2010.02.23 01:27:00 - [117] lol now this sounds like the BoB of old
Kaitou Shiroi Gallente Hakata Group Blade.	Posted - 2010.02.23 01:58:00 - [118] Originally by: Imperator Ceasar I said it because of how I was talked to.... and more often than not, kids post comments here and they tend to forget adults play this game too. Sad part is, I think CAOD has a median age a bit higher than the general EVE population. Fake-edit: ITT a Major tries to throw his brass around and fails utterly. --- Unless specifically stated otherwise, the opinions expressed in my posts do not reflect those held by my corporation or alliance.
Eskalin Minmatar Evolution IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.02.23 02:36:00 - [119] Originally by: Imperator Ceasar Oh, I get it believe me - I'm a field grade officer in the US Army, my friend - I'm not stupid and there is no need to talk down to me. If Eve gets out of balance and pilots become less free or coerced and/or forced into joining a power block to get the goodies of 0.0, Eve will eventually lose its appeal. So, IMO the control and reach of large alliances ought to be artificially limited, with sov being tied to member numbers and increasingly higher costs as more systems are sov'd, up to the maxium allowed (see thread starter link). The fact that you're advocating for something that benefits your own interests only means you have zero gravitas on the matter. you are operating under the misconception that i was speaking down to you. since you seem to imply that your rl job infers privilege in a video game i will now proceed to do so. in response to your accusation of zero gravitas i say you sir have zero dignitas. exemplified by your appearance upon these forums expounding upon the unfair practices of the holders of the nul-sec real estate you where inquiring. your inability to use use your leadership skills in acquiring space/compatriots to conquer space hardly needs mitigation by artificial means ie. ccp changing game mechanics to suit your playstyle/ability. from my point of view you would be guilty of an absense of gravitas in seeking the mecanics to change to more suite your interests. thank you hypocrite. If babies weren't to be eaten they wouldn't be hibachi sized
Anikadir Minmatar DEATHFUNK Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2010.02.23 02:38:00 - [120] Originally by: Imperator Ceasar I said it because of how I was talked to.... and more often than not, kids post comments here and they tend to forget adults play this game too. AND, I think you're advocating only for your poitn of view, not logic nor merits - but that is to be expected. Umm ..... hello ..... you do realise that this is the internet? You'd have more luck trying to get a rational discussion point out of a toaster than in the paosting board of an online game First there was Meh, now there is Bleh.



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