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Major Raditz Caldari Black Nova Corp IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.02.22 19:08:00 - [61] Sniping page 3
Omeega Amarr Lethal Corp RED.OverLord	Posted - 2010.02.22 19:09:00 - [62] Originally by: Daedhead Originally by: Mitch Taylor Sure but id hope dedicated carebears would have more than 2 people in their operation ;P You know that the entire RA leadership got banned during Delve I for renting to isk farmers right? Not the whole RA leadership. One guy. (the one with the alliance wallet - stoopid russians!) Don't speak english, f1,f2,f3...
Imperator Ceasar Caldari 104th Ranger Mobile Combat Regiment	Posted - 2010.02.22 19:10:00 - [63] Originally by: Freya Olaf tbh it's not really our "offer"...it's our space, you want to use it to get rich you pay for it. Since I am not an indy guy, I had to solicit others input on the offer - which at first I thought would garner some chuckles, but now I see it is actually a serious thing rather than the humorous rejection that I thought it was. LOL All the more reason for CCP to fully implement the intent of Domininion - i.e. put a cap on large alliance holdings so that others have access to 0.0 space too.
Imperator Ceasar Caldari 104th Ranger Mobile Combat Regiment	Posted - 2010.02.22 19:16:00 - [64] Edited by: Imperator Ceasar on 22/02/2010 19:17:18 Originally by: Daco Cutter Even better question is since this is a cesspit of the forums, how easy was it for him to come up with that just to flame them, or more plausible to get himself attention because he is feeling un-noticed.......... Flames & attention? LOL I'm way too old in RL to have such needs, Daco - I've gotten the input I wanted, which has helped me see the basis for their figures... I still think it's robbery and way over the top... but since I'm not an indy person, I have a bit better perspective now. Thanks.
Cadela Fria Amarr x13 IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.02.22 19:21:00 - [65] Originally by: Imperator Ceasar Originally by: Freya Olaf tbh it's not really our "offer"...it's our space, you want to use it to get rich you pay for it. Since I am not an indy guy, I had to solicit others input on the offer - which at first I thought would garner some chuckles, but now I see it is actually a serious thing rather than the humorous rejection that I thought it was. LOL All the more reason for CCP to fully implement the intent of Domininion - i.e. put a cap on large alliance holdings so that others have access to 0.0 space too. Dominion has been implemented. There are a lot more unclaimed space around than before Dominion - So, go claim it. I'm sorry but you cant patch strength in numbers (ie. people getting together in massive numbers and rolling over people), which I'm very sure many a goonies/the usual crowd will say about IT..blob warfare. I mean, there is certainly no skill involved..so with that in mind, come and get it..if you cant, well then its not yours take and have access to in the first place. No patch or expansion can change that. What you can do though, is wait around for the next big failure that means IT losing its space and hope the people who take it from us will grant you a piece of it. shrugs I doubt they will though..give you a piece that is. People are strangely greedy like that.
Imperator Ceasar Caldari 104th Ranger Mobile Combat Regiment	Posted - 2010.02.22 19:22:00 - [66] Originally by: Pubsey Originally by: VCBee 2fast2furious Why would you rent IT's space and not just join one of their revolving-door member corps like everyone else does? :iiam: I'm too independent I guess - I detest slavery - so, it's not going to happen. LOL
Daedhead Caldari GoonWaffe SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO	Posted - 2010.02.22 19:25:00 - [67] Originally by: Imperator Ceasar Originally by: Freya Olaf tbh it's not really our "offer"...it's our space, you want to use it to get rich you pay for it. Since I am not an indy guy, I had to solicit others input on the offer - which at first I thought would garner some chuckles, but now I see it is actually a serious thing rather than the humorous rejection that I thought it was. LOL All the more reason for CCP to fully implement the intent of Domininion - i.e. put a cap on large alliance holdings so that others have access to 0.0 space too. You have a chance to rent to the infamous IT Alliance, and rat 24/7 in Blood space! Only an idiot would refuse that offer! Triple sov costs, make station systems capable of holding 5x as many ratters via cosmic anomalies. That's the only way to make space empires shrink so the little guys can get in.
Imperator Ceasar Caldari 104th Ranger Mobile Combat Regiment	Posted - 2010.02.22 19:27:00 - [68] Edited by: Imperator Ceasar on 22/02/2010 19:30:13 Originally by: Cadela Fria Originally by: Imperator Ceasar Originally by: Freya Olaf tbh it's not really our "offer"...it's our space, you want to use it to get rich you pay for it. Since I am not an indy guy, I had to solicit others input on the offer - which at first I thought would garner some chuckles, but now I see it is actuallyserious thing rather than the humorous rejection that I thought it was. LOL All the more reason for CCP to fully implement the intent of Domininion - i.e. put a cap on large alliance holdings so that others have access to 0.0 space too. Dominion has been implemented. There are a lot more unclaimed space around than before Dominion - So, go claim it. I'm sorry but you cant patch strength in numbers (ie. people getting together in massive numbers and rolling over people), which I'm very sure many a goonies/the usual crowd will say about IT..blob warfare. I mean, there is certainly no skill involved..so with that in mind, come and get it..if you cant, well then its not yours take and have access to in the first place. No patch or expansion can change that. What you can do though, is wait around for the next big failure that means IT losing its space and hope the people who take it from us will grant you a piece of it. shrugs I doubt they will though..give you a piece that is. People are strangely greedy like that. OF COURSE YOU LARGE ALLIANCE FOLKS WILL SAY SUCH THINGS - THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS TO PEOPLE'S MINDS WHO SIT WITH OTHERS IN "POWER," ESPECIALLY WHEN IDEAS ARE PRESENTED WHICH THREATEN THAT POWER. DOMINION IS FAIL AND THERE ARE FEW OPEN SYSTEMS RELATIVE TO WHAT EXISTS. SO, I SAY CLIP THE LARGE ALLIANCES DOWN TO SOMETHING MORE REASONABLE TO AVOID HAVING A FEW LARGE ALLIANCES HAVE AN INAPPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF CONTROL / INFLUENCE OVER EVE.
Cadela Fria Amarr x13 IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.02.22 19:40:00 - [69] Edited by: Cadela Fria on 22/02/2010 19:40:42 Originally by: Imperator Ceasar Originally by: Cadela Fria Originally by: Imperator Ceasar Originally by: Freya Olaf tbh it's not really our "offer"...it's our space, you want to use it to get rich you pay for it. Since I am not an indy guy, I had to solicit others input on the offer - which at first I thought would garner some chuckles, but now I see it is actuallyserious thing rather than the humorous rejection that I thought it was. LOL All the more reason for CCP to fully implement the intent of Domininion - i.e. put a cap on large alliance holdings so that others have access to 0.0 space too. Dominion has been implemented. There are a lot more unclaimed space around than before Dominion - So, go claim it. I'm sorry but you cant patch strength in numbers (ie. people getting together in massive numbers and rolling over people), which I'm very sure many a goonies/the usual crowd will say about IT..blob warfare. I mean, there is certainly no skill involved..so with that in mind, come and get it..if you cant, well then its not yours take and have access to in the first place. No patch or expansion can change that. What you can do though, is wait around for the next big failure that means IT losing its space and hope the people who take it from us will grant you a piece of it. shrugs I doubt they will though..give you a piece that is. People are strangely greedy like that. OF COURSE YOU LARGE ALLIANCE FOLKS WILL SAY SUCH THINGS - THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS TO PEOPLE'S MINDS WHO SIT WITH OTHRS IN "POWER," ESPECIALLY WHEN IDEAS ARE PRESENTED WHICH THREATEN THAT POWER. DOMINION IS FAIL AND THERE ARE FEW OPEN SYSTEMS RELATIVE TO WHAT EXISTS. SO, I SAY CLIP THE LARGE ALLIANCES DOWN TO SOMETHING MORE REASONABLE TO AVOID HAVING A FEW LARGE ALLIANCES HAVE AN INAPPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF CONTROL / INFLUENCE OVER EVE. Let me see if I understand you correctly... You want CCP, to reduce the ability of people ganging together into large cohesive alliances by some form of patch or expansion. Is that right? First of all may I please suggest you apply a broader perspective and a considerable larger amount of thought being put into what you say before you say it. Here is why: You can't clip large alliances down to something "more resonable" (whatever that is to you personally Sir). If you were to limit alliances to..say...500 people..or 400 people. All you'd get is a multitude of smaller alliances existing in the same area called "IT 1" "IT 2" "IT 3" "IT..you get it", and the same space would be held. All alliances are, are a functionality to hold space..thats all alliances do. Give you the ability to claim a system..otherwise everything remains the same. So..now what? You have a lot of small alliances doing the same thing and a sudden new thing..you have created a problem of large corporations that are 500+ big in members, as being unable to create or be in alliances..Well thats pretty stupid isn't it? You've solved nothing and created problems..maybe thats why they haven't done it. Thought about that? Second of all..No, my mentality and perspective of the whole thing is not affected by me being in IT. While I admit its a nice place to be, it is no basis for my reasoning or opinion. Third of all, Dominion is not fail..or perhaps you haven't seen the amount of systems now open to occupation. My guess is you haven't..now these systems might be in the vicinity of a major alliance that probably wont let you take those systems, sure enough..but really, that has nothing to do with mechanics.
Imperator Ceasar Caldari 104th Ranger Mobile Combat Regiment	Posted - 2010.02.22 19:50:00 - [70] Edited by: Imperator Ceasar on 22/02/2010 19:51:29 Originally by: Cadela Fria Let me see if I understand you correctly... You want CCP, to reduce the ability of people ganging together into large cohesive alliances by some form of patch or expansion. Is that right? First of all may I please suggest you apply a broader perspective and a considerable larger amount of thought being put into what you say before you say it. Here is why: You can't clip large alliances down to something "more resonable" (whatever that is to you personally Sir). If you were to limit alliances to..say...500 people..or 400 people. All you'd get is a multitude of smaller alliances existing in the same area called "IT 1" "IT 2" "IT 3" "IT..you get it", and the same space would be held. All alliances are, are a functionality to hold space..thats all alliances do. Give you the ability to claim a system..otherwise everything remains the same. So..now what? You have a lot of small alliances doing the same thing and a sudden new thing..you have created a problem of large corporations that are 500+ big in members, as being unable to create or be in alliances..Well thats pretty stupid isn't it? You've solved nothing and created problems..maybe thats why they haven't done it. Thought about that? Second of all..No, my mentality and perspective of the whole thing is not affected by me being in IT. While I admit its a nice place to be, it is no basis for my reasoning or opinion. Third of all, Dominion is not fail..or perhaps you haven't seen the amount of systems now open to occupation. My guess is you haven't..now these systems might be in the vicinity of a major alliance that probably wont let you take those systems, sure enough..but really, that has nothing to do with mechanics.[/quote CLEARLY YOU DID NOT READ THE LINK PROVIDED IN THE THREAD STARTER - THE LIMITS I REFER TO HAVE TO DO WITH THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN THE ALLIANCE VS. THE NUMBER OF SYSTEMS THEY CAN HOLD... AND TIE COSTS TO IT AS INDICATED IN THAT LINK. AND YES, DOMINION IS FAIL BECAUSE IT DID NOT OPEN UP 0.0 SPACE LIKE CCP HAD HOPED OR LED US ALL TO BELIEVE THAT THAT IS WHAT THEY WANTED. YOU CAN PRETEND THAT YOU ARE ABLE TO SHOVE ASIDE YOUR BIASES, THOSE OF US WHO ARE OLDER AND WISER IN R.L. KNOW BETTER... WHEREVER YOU GO, THERE YOUR BIASES ARE, RIGHT THERE WITH YOU.

Daedhead Caldari GoonWaffe SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO	Posted - 2010.02.22 19:51:00 - [71] people complaining about human nature itt
The Ratfink Minmatar Reluctant Warriors	Posted - 2010.02.22 19:56:00 - [72] Originally by: Daedhead lodra thinking they are relevant itt
Cadela Fria Amarr x13 IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.02.22 19:58:00 - [73] Originally by: Imperator Ceasar CLEARLY YOU DID NOT READ THE LINK PROVIDED IN THE THREAD STARTER - THE LIMITS I REFER TO HAVE TO DO WITH THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN THE ALLIANCE VS. THE NUMBER OF SYSTEMS THEY CAN HOLD... AND TIE COSTS TO IT AS INDICATED IN THAT LINK. AND YES, DOMINION IS FAIL BECAUSE IT DID NOT OPEN UP 0.0 SPACE LIKE CCP HAD HOPED OR LED US ALL TO BELIEVE THAT THAT IS WHAT THEY WANTED Dominion has dramatically increased the cost of holding space in 0.0 and also increased the risk by cheaping out on the stuff you can get in 0.0 What do I mean by that? Well take for instance Cyno Jammers and Jump Bridges - These are by and large considered extremely important, if not vital to some in keeping their space. Now with Dominion, these "upgrades" cost an ungodly amount of money to run, and even more money to run in any greater numbers for a greater period of time. A lot of space is essentially wide open to invade as I know for a fact a lot of alliances dont put up these cyno jammers and bridges anymore. Also, please consider what you're saying..artificial means to prevent going above a certain number of systems held by an alliance? That is not only a bad idea, its also really bad PR on EVE's image on what it keeps saying it wants to be. As far as the cost..well I already explained that..it really is very expensive to own a lot of space if you want it nice and secure. If you want to cut costs, you risk a lot. So no..Dominion is not fail. Finally, no I didn't read the link as I wasn't given the memo about needing to do so in order to reply to a thread about my own alliance. Meaning..I didn't read it cause frankly I don't give a toss about what it says. Even less considering its some dude complaining about our rental prices..which is..funnily enough OUR rental prices.
Imperator Ceasar Caldari 104th Ranger Mobile Combat Regiment	Posted - 2010.02.22 20:02:00 - [74] Originally by: Cadela Fria Originally by: Imperator Ceasar CLEARLY YOU DID NOT READ THE LINK PROVIDED IN THE THREAD STARTER - THE LIMITS I REFER TO HAVE TO DO WITH THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN THE ALLIANCE VS. THE NUMBER OF SYSTEMS THEY CAN HOLD... AND TIE COSTS TO IT AS INDICATED IN THAT LINK. AND YES, DOMINION IS FAIL BECAUSE IT DID NOT OPEN UP 0.0 SPACE LIKE CCP HAD HOPED OR LED US ALL TO BELIEVE THAT THAT IS WHAT THEY WANTED Dominion has dramatically increased the cost of holding space in 0.0 and also increased the risk by cheaping out on the stuff you can get in 0.0 What do I mean by that? Well take for instance Cyno Jammers and Jump Bridges - These are by and large considered extremely important, if not vital to some in keeping their space. Now with Dominion, these "upgrades" cost an ungodly amount of money to run, and even more money to run in any greater numbers for a greater period of time. A lot of space is essentially wide open to invade as I know for a fact a lot of alliances dont put up these cyno jammers and bridges anymore. Also, please consider what you're saying..artificial means to prevent going above a certain number of systems held by an alliance? That is not only a bad idea, its also really bad PR on EVE's image on what it keeps saying it wants to be. As far as the cost..well I already explained that..it really is very expensive to own a lot of space if you want it nice and secure. If you want to cut costs, you risk a lot. So no..Dominion is not fail. Finally, no I didn't read the link as I wasn't given the memo about needing to do so in order to reply to a thread about my own alliance. Meaning..I didn't read it cause frankly I don't give a toss about what it says. Even less considering its some dude complaining about our rental prices..which is..funnily enough OUR rental prices. I DISAGREE - THE REAL PR ISSUE IS NEWER PILOTS FIGURING OUT THEY ARE PREVENTED FROM HAVING READY ACCESS TO 0.0 SPACE BECAUSE LARGE ALLIANCES PREVENT / DRAMATCALLY LIMIT ACCESS AND REQUIRE JOINING THEM OR PAYING OUTRAGEOUS FEES FOR ACCESS.
Cadela Fria Amarr x13 IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.02.22 20:09:00 - [75] Originally by: Imperator Ceasar Originally by: Cadela Fria Originally by: Imperator Ceasar CLEARLY YOU DID NOT READ THE LINK PROVIDED IN THE THREAD STARTER - THE LIMITS I REFER TO HAVE TO DO WITH THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN THE ALLIANCE VS. THE NUMBER OF SYSTEMS THEY CAN HOLD... AND TIE COSTS TO IT AS INDICATED IN THAT LINK. AND YES, DOMINION IS FAIL BECAUSE IT DID NOT OPEN UP 0.0 SPACE LIKE CCP HAD HOPED OR LED US ALL TO BELIEVE THAT THAT IS WHAT THEY WANTED Dominion has dramatically increased the cost of holding space in 0.0 and also increased the risk by cheaping out on the stuff you can get in 0.0 What do I mean by that? Well take for instance Cyno Jammers and Jump Bridges - These are by and large considered extremely important, if not vital to some in keeping their space. Now with Dominion, these "upgrades" cost an ungodly amount of money to run, and even more money to run in any greater numbers for a greater period of time. A lot of space is essentially wide open to invade as I know for a fact a lot of alliances dont put up these cyno jammers and bridges anymore. Also, please consider what you're saying..artificial means to prevent going above a certain number of systems held by an alliance? That is not only a bad idea, its also really bad PR on EVE's image on what it keeps saying it wants to be. As far as the cost..well I already explained that..it really is very expensive to own a lot of space if you want it nice and secure. If you want to cut costs, you risk a lot. So no..Dominion is not fail. Finally, no I didn't read the link as I wasn't given the memo about needing to do so in order to reply to a thread about my own alliance. Meaning..I didn't read it cause frankly I don't give a toss about what it says. Even less considering its some dude complaining about our rental prices..which is..funnily enough OUR rental prices. I DISAGREE - THE REAL PR ISSUE IS NEWER PILOTS FIGURING OUT THEY ARE PREVENTED FROM HAVING READY ACCESS TO 0.0 SPACE BECAUSE LARGE ALLIANCES PREVENT / DRAMATCALLY LIMIT ACCESS AND REQUIRE JOINING THEM OR PAYING OUTRAGEOUS FEES FOR ACCESS. Sidenote: Really..no one here has a problem reading regular text, so go ahead and push that caps lock once to turn it off. You may disagree, but really what you're saying is backwards. You want alliances to pay more for the space they hold, and ask for less money from people who want to rent their space..You go ahead and convince people to do that. As for newer pilots and access to 0.0 space..what are you nuts? You already said you want alliances to pay more than the great increase in cost in owning 0.0 space now since Dominion..and then you want newer players to be able to get access. Catch 22 dude, hello? You cant "punish" one group of people in particular..if one group of people has to be forced out of their space due to major financial costs of owning 0.0 space, then so will everyone, and then guess what..your so called "newer pilots" still wont have access. Why? Because its too expensive.
SeIdarine Minmatar Mass Evacuation Taboo.	Posted - 2010.02.22 20:12:00 - [76] I hear that IT will give fountain to whoever can go kill the worthless alliances that are taking sov there now. It would not take much for BLAST, Blade, etc to keel over and die and everyone knows IT would not come help them.
Imperator Ceasar Caldari 104th Ranger Mobile Combat Regiment	Posted - 2010.02.22 20:16:00 - [77] Originally by: Cadela Fria You may disagree, but really what you're saying is backwards. You want alliances to pay more for the space they hold, and ask for less money from people who want to rent their space..You go ahead and convince people to do that. As for newer pilots and access to 0.0 space..what are you nuts? You already said you want alliances to pay more than the great increase in cost in owning 0.0 space now since Dominion..and then you want newer players to be able to get access. Catch 22 dude, hello? You cant "punish" one group of people in particular..if one group of people has to be forced out of their space due to major financial costs of owning 0.0 space, then so will everyone, and then guess what..your so called "newer pilots" still wont have access. Why? Because its too expensive. NO, WHAT I AM SAYING IS IF EVE BECOMES DOMINATED BY A FEW POWER BLOCKS WHO DO AS THEY WISH, HOW THEY WISH, TO WHOM THEY WISH AND EXERT TOO MUCH CONTROL OVER SPACE VIA SOV - EVE WILL EVENTUALLY LOSE . AGAIN, IF YOUI READ THE LINK IN THE THREAD STARTER, YOU'LL SEE WHAT I AM REFERRING TO. end caps.
Pubsey Caldari GoonWaffe SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO	Posted - 2010.02.22 20:24:00 - [78] Originally by: Imperator Ceasar Originally by: Cadela Fria You may disagree, but really what you're saying is backwards. You want alliances to pay more for the space they hold, and ask for less money from people who want to rent their space..You go ahead and convince people to do that. As for newer pilots and access to 0.0 space..what are you nuts? You already said you want alliances to pay more than the great increase in cost in owning 0.0 space now since Dominion..and then you want newer players to be able to get access. Catch 22 dude, hello? You cant "punish" one group of people in particular..if one group of people has to be forced out of their space due to major financial costs of owning 0.0 space, then so will everyone, and then guess what..your so called "newer pilots" still wont have access. Why? Because its too expensive. NO, WHAT I AM SAYING IS IF EVE BECOMES DOMINATED BY A FEW POWER BLOCKS WHO DO AS THEY WISH, HOW THEY WISH, TO WHOM THEY WISH AND EXERT TOO MUCH CONTROL OVER SPACE VIA SOV - EVE WILL EVENTUALLY LOSE . AGAIN, IF YOUI READ THE LINK IN THE THREAD STARTER, YOU'LL SEE WHAT I AM REFERRING TO. end caps. Sorry bro but all the 0.0 guys were shouting from the rooftops that dominion sucked, wouldn't deliver it's stated goals and ccp should really delay it but 0.0 wannabes who thought they'd magically get a piece of the pie because a devblog said so were all "hehe nullbear tears are the sweetest " Just would like to put it on the record that we told you so.
Cadela Fria Amarr x13 IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.02.22 20:30:00 - [79] Originally by: Imperator Ceasar Originally by: Cadela Fria You may disagree, but really what you're saying is backwards. You want alliances to pay more for the space they hold, and ask for less money from people who want to rent their space..You go ahead and convince people to do that. As for newer pilots and access to 0.0 space..what are you nuts? You already said you want alliances to pay more than the great increase in cost in owning 0.0 space now since Dominion..and then you want newer players to be able to get access. Catch 22 dude, hello? You cant "punish" one group of people in particular..if one group of people has to be forced out of their space due to major financial costs of owning 0.0 space, then so will everyone, and then guess what..your so called "newer pilots" still wont have access. Why? Because its too expensive. NO, WHAT I AM SAYING IS IF EVE BECOMES DOMINATED BY A FEW POWER BLOCKS WHO DO AS THEY WISH, HOW THEY WISH, TO WHOM THEY WISH AND EXERT TOO MUCH CONTROL OVER SPACE VIA SOV - EVE WILL EVENTUALLY LOSE . AGAIN, IF YOUI READ THE LINK IN THE THREAD STARTER, YOU'LL SEE WHAT I AM REFERRING TO. end caps. Okay I read your link and that doesn't really change anything. You're still going to have 5000+ people in an area, with perhaps a bit of less space..35 I believe it said. You know what will happen? The same thing..like now there will be unclaimed space, granted a LOT more of it, but in the vicinity of a major alliance, and guess what? They probably don't want new neighbors unless they can control them. The open and unclaimed space you want is there ..now...all you have to do, is go claim it. Whether or not you can or can hold onto it, well..thats not something I, nor anyone else for that matter, can tell you for certain. The simple fact is..regardless of how much space you can hold sov in, there is still 5-6000 people nearby you have to deal with. Nothing can change that. So what now? I am, as you said, not old and wise such as yourself - So I will take the stance of the student and let you tell me the solution. (No I'm not being sarcastic)
Dianabolic Gallente Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.02.22 20:32:00 - [80] Originally by: Imperator Ceasar System ownership should be cheap for the first 3-5 systems, but get progressively more expensive up to prohibitively expensive and limited for the max systmes owned per alliance. We agree. We said that during the consultation for Dominion, CCP even said they would implement it and we celebrated. Then they didn't. Go figure. Originally by: Imperator Ceasar One thing I do know is - power corrupts - and I think we've see in Eve just what power does to people who are ill-equipped to handle it responsibly. You are misguided to think that our terms are no based on power corrupting us. We've done space rental before, we know how it works, we have little interest in dealing with those that do not realise the value of having space within our borders - the fact that you have come to complain to the forums as your first option just goes to show that our terms are successful in weeding out those that would be more hard work to be around than we wish to put up with.

davet517 Caldari Raata Invicti Reckoning.	Posted - 2010.02.22 20:34:00 - [81] The fact that you would have expected anything different from that particular person/organization just shows that you need to learn a little more about the major players in Eve and how they tend to behave. The mechanics don't need to be changed, and him quoting you terms isn't a scam. It's a strategy. You might think it's an arrgoant, high-handed strategy, and it may well be, but it's a strategy regardless. Whether it's a winning or losing strategy, only time will tell. ---------------- We're recruiting quality players. Check us out.
Rodger Wilcoe Caldari ANZAC ALLIANCE IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.02.22 20:43:00 - [82] Originally by: Daedhead Have you read The Mittani's new TTH article? Apparently holding space is not as profitable as it used to be, so smart people live in NPC 0.0 Goons 'got smart' after living the penthouse lifestyle on a trailer trash budget?
Nicolo da'Vicenza Amarr Dissonance Corp Primary.	Posted - 2010.02.22 20:44:00 - [83] I like how most of the presented math to make a renter scheme like that work out involve players that don't sleep (ie: macroratting)
Dianabolic Gallente Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.02.22 21:07:00 - [84] Edited by: Dianabolic on 22/02/2010 21:07:33 Originally by: Nicolo da'Vicenza I like how most of the presented math to make a renter scheme like that work out involve players that don't sleep (ie: macroratting) It's a real shame that you can't use the data presented to you to make it more "lifelike", so allow me: Originally by: Mitch Taylor Ignoring all spawns but sanctums, two people ratting with decent setups (and a brain) can generate 15m per 20minutes each, or 90m an hour between them. Over the course of a day 2,160bn Over the course of a week 15,120bn Over an average month 65,520bn That's 2 people, 2bn per 23h. So it would take 4 people, 11.5h to make the same money. After that the rewards are reduced because you don't want more than 2 x 2 groups running sanctums. Havens yield about 10m, say every 20mins again, or 60m an hour: 2 people every 23h = 1.38bn 4people = 11.5h same money so 4 people can make 3.38bn in 11 hours in one system (bounties only). so it would take 4 people about 36h to rat 10bn. Or, over 28 days, they would each have to rat for just over 1 hour per day to pay the dues. And none of this includes loot, salvage, escalations, all the associated juicy goodness of 0.0 and the complete lack of having to travel outside of one system. Hardly the terms of a macroratter, hey?
Nestor Ne'Arthe Amarr Unholy Asylum	Posted - 2010.02.22 21:31:00 - [85] I find it funny that people complain about power blocks holding space. Back in the old days, when we had like 9-12k online tops, people were still holding the same amount of space. Power blocks clashed fighting for space and kicks (and because someone's shot someone elses ship by mistake). Other power blocks were formed. You can't prevent people from banding together. Dominion opened the possibility to claim space, but if you want to do that, you need to be able to hold it, and defend it. Having a constellation neighboring with a large alliance will just get you in trouble. It's like USSR and its satellite states. They will let you have your independence, only if they don't really need you, in a sense when it is too expensive for them to have 'your' space. --
Vertumnus Caldari The Maverick Navy IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.02.22 21:46:00 - [86] Say what you want to say.. if you don't like the price move on. no need for a OMG TO COAD WE GO!!!! It comes down to, are you going to use the space... if so.. Profit.. if you are not going to use it.. go to NCP space and get blue standings that way. One thing that ccp needs to fix is this.... LVL 5 military / Indy upgrades need a freighter to move 90% of the sov one's ( jammers , bridges, ect.. ) all need a freighter moved Ihub Needs a freighter I guess CCP thinks people will just freighter in the updates / ihubs 50+ jumps (LOL) Titan Bridge them?.. how many small alliance have a titan to bridge ? Dominion was made for the smaller alliances to get space, In fact we are seeing this, but its not in the form of fighting for the space. and holding it.. its more like renting OH AND CAPS LOCK IS OVERDRIVE FOR SUPER COOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Faekurias Caldari Raptus Regalitor Black Legion.	Posted - 2010.02.22 22:11:00 - [87] I ALSO CAN USE CAPS MUCH LIKE HAS CAN BE WHEN WHY NOT MUST SEE LIGHT WHEN SHADE WITH GREY APPLES AND ORANGES
Josh Silver Amarr GoonWaffe SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO	Posted - 2010.02.22 22:33:00 - [88] I for one would gladly pay 10b a month for EXCLUSIVE ACCESS (no moons please) to cosmic anomalies that are slightly worse than highsec lvl4's.
Jones Bones Minmatar Final Agony B A N E	Posted - 2010.02.22 22:46:00 - [89] Things I've learned from this thread: 0.0 still sucks. IT has a failure of a sales department.
Mo'Chuisle Gallente The Executives IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.02.22 22:55:00 - [90] alley hoop



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