Well it would be nice for those people who are always bitching about it, however after an while you will see that sisi can't really handle this amount of ships and stuff, also rage will come from those that get killed in one second even if their in a titan.

100% against.

Not sure if you remember the last time Leviathans and Avatars got seeded, but it was pretty bad. The only thing that will possibly come out of this is every single ship undocked will be a super capital. CCP will spend hours upon hours of solidly banning people who break the rules if you don't recall.

The only feasible way of even contemplating this would involve the removal of the 2,000,000 SP from mass tests to prevent massive abuse. Even then, the people who can fly these ships will spam them and there will be more bitching.

You listened to the masses who wanted faction mods seeded, faction mods got seeded. Now most people want the faction mods gone. Do not make the same mistake with super capitals as it will be 10x as bad.

Part of the reason for the removal of the super capital build acceleration was because entities spammed supers and it ended up causing too much work for CCP. The seeding of super capitals would cause more spammage and more work for CCP than this program ever did.

To end my rant, after the seeding of supers, people will beg for maxed skills once more; they figure you caved in once before with faction mods, and another time with super capitals, let's try again with maxed skills. Maxed skills + supers = incredibly bad if you don't remember that dark winter expansion testing phase.

100% against.

Not sure if you remember the last time Leviathans and Avatars got seeded, but it was pretty bad. The only thing that will possibly come out of this is every single ship undocked will be a super capital. CCP will spend hours upon hours of solidly banning people who break the rules if you don't recall.

The only feasible way of even contemplating this would involve the removal of the 2,000,000 SP from mass tests to prevent massive abuse. Even then, the people who can fly these ships will spam them and there will be more bitching.

You listened to the masses who wanted faction mods seeded, faction mods got seeded. Now most people want the faction mods gone. Do not make the same mistake with super capitals as it will be 10x as bad.

Part of the reason for the removal of the super capital build acceleration was because entities spammed supers and it ended up causing too much work for CCP. The seeding of super capitals would cause more spammage and more work for CCP than this program ever did.

To end my rant, after the seeding of supers, people will beg for maxed skills once more; they figure you caved in once before with faction mods, and another time with super capitals, let's try again with maxed skills. Maxed skills + supers = incredibly bad if you don't remember that dark winter expansion testing phase.

Hi!
We have not really decided on it, but it seems like the advantages will outweigh the disadvantages.

Please stay civil in this thread and refrain from any personal attacks.

Comodore John why dont you just shut up for once and stop trying to be ccp that also goes for all you DDL idiots, you only dont want them seeded because DDL will thn have a fight on there hands and everyone knows you dont like others having them
So now we wait until the rest of DDL say no then ccp wont let it happen because of some idiots who dont think of others

Assuming that you are all for seeding super capitals

then I'll put super capitals onto the market of 6-CZ49.

You hit the nail on the head. Seeding them will be good for testing but bad for player testing (eventually).



Well done.

I think you don't look at your mistakes dear CCP, remember the armageddon days on sisi? Remember the armargeddon day WITH supers seeded? Server is totally going to be messed up. No more subcaps, just bad DD-less titans and lvl 3 motherships. Yay.
Go to pvh? Tell me about the many fights that happen here.

More fun for us, less tests for other.

Jus' sayin'. Don't do that.

Take a second look at CJ's post. Ty.

Haba, I hope you're prepared for the biggest catastrostorm since Dominion testing weekend.

Good luck, have fun, don't say that we the bittervets didn't warn you about the crap that's gonna go down.

Also, good luck finding anybody obeying the rules at all during this period. Then again, its not like I've seen a rule actually enforced in quite a while, so I'm not gonna waste my breath ranting.

Do whatever you want, but get ready for the firestorm on the forums about it the day after this goes live.

If it turns out to be a horrible mistake, they can always be taken off later.

WTF is this, log in your Quebec United Legions alts to distort the average opinion? It's a test server, blobbing someone to **** need only be 'tested' as a tactic so many times while others are genuinely trying different fits & tactics. If only there were a simple way to coerce people to not be terrible. What's permitted on TQ doesn't have to be on Sisi.
Failing that or some scheduled supers seeding & removal mechanism to make them only a thing once a week/day, CCP you're clearly going to have to keep them away from the general testing systems as some people are far too keen to slap e-peens and waste other people's time.

hi ccp am for sended super on market some ppl dont have super on tq can test it and if something go wrong whit them thay will send bug report also the only group of ppl on forum againt sended super are on the same corp on sisi and thay have super thay dont want to do fair fight thay do 10 titan vs 1 titan and thay dont want to change that am agree at 100% for sended super on market

0/ ccp am agree at 100% whit super capital on market

super on market it a great thing send them

am agree whit seeded super :)

hi ccp am so agree whit super cap on market :)

hi ccp am for sended super on market some ppl dont have super on tq can test it and if something go wrong whit them thay will send bug report also the only group of ppl on forum againt sended super are on the same corp on sisi and thay have super thay dont want to do fair fight thay do 10 titan vs 1 titan and thay dont want to change that am agree at 100% for sended super on market

0/ ccp am agree at 100% whit super capital on market

super on market it a great thing send them

am agree whit seeded super :)

yeah those are alt i pay for them i can post agree whit them also you can see am agree whit super on market :)

Engrish is not an actual language and therefore your opinion is null and void.

What is the problem you're trying to solve by introducing them to the market? You say the upsides outweigh the downsides, so I'd be interested in knowing what the upsides you envision are, because they aren't obvious from my point of view? You'll certainly get more "testing" done on them, but was there an issue with the lack of testing on supercaps? People lost their supercaps at such frequency, that they ran out constantly and therefore huge bugs got on TQ?

Let me be clear. I'm not against this change, but I'm not seeing any real upsides outside the obvious increased testing and use, while the various downsides are somewhat obvious. As time goes by and characters are skilled to access these new features through training and free skillpoint distribution, majority of testing increasingly focusing on ships and modules, that form the clear minority of use cases on TQ. Attracting more people who just want to play around instead of doing proper testing and bug reporting, which will ruffle some feathers and will require increased babysitting from CCP staff to manage. Increasing low quality/trash feedback on such ships, since the people who will be flying them on SiSi have little to no actual experience in their use on TQ. Nothing earth shakingly bad, but what is the good that comes from this?

Again it might be more easier to give constructive critique or complements about the proposal, if we knew your reasons behind the change. It's a bit hard to do, when you're not laying out your argument in the open about why you are thinking about implementing the change in the first place.

yes yes yes yes yes yes do it dddddddddoooooo ittttttttt

that cool we got 2 combat system so we love it

And your stupidly ignorant to the fact english isn't his first language, ******* idiot

I'm sorry, are you gonna post with all your alts repeating the same thing as well?

i love the fact you seeded supers and titens but i have to wait like 80 days to fly a titen... so whens the next mass test :P

Use the 80 days to learn the basic concept of english

As a super pilot on TQ, I dont feel that this addition adds anything from a "testing" point of view. The people with real supercapitals log on the test server enough to point out any glaring defects that a patch may have messed up.

As it stands right now, we have a similar situation with seeding faction modules. Everyone and their mother is buying (badly skilled) supercapitals and flying around 6-C, with almost no subcapitals or even normal capitals added in. It creates an artificial testing environment, one where it is pretty impossible to test anything OTHER than a super.

This is a trend that has emerged over the past few months with SiSi, starting with the abolition of the segregated combat arenas. Good luck testing for instance frigate balancing changes on SiSi in an environment where everyone is fitting meta 14 modules and you get a 10 man supercarrier gang warped in on you at any time. Changes like these essentially relegate the usefulness of the test server from a player's perspective to playing with obscenely expensively fit ships for half an hour then leaving once the fun factor wears off (Supercap ganks with 10v1 and no support isnt exactly thrilling).

I'm still a fan of keeping the accelerated build speed that was already in place on SiSi, but to me seeding supercaps is just a way to ensure that no testing actually happens

Hi!

We are considering to seed super capitals (both super carriers and titans) on the markets on Singularity. We have not really decided on it, but it seems like the advantages will outweigh the disadvantages. Some from the QA team are still quite skeptical about it, but we are ready to give it a try.

It is clear, that some players will love and some others will hate it - but we don't know all the reasons for it and we have no idea how many are on which side. Please reply to this post if you have any opinion on it! Please also note it, if you think that any other changes need to be made in combination with this. Please stay civil in this thread and refrain from any personal attacks.
I plan to keep this thread active for 2-3 days and then post a short summary (and maybe post a follow-up thread). Assuming that you are all for seeding super capitals then I'll put super capitals onto the market of 6-CZ49 and reevaluate the whole thing with the next mirror.

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Update: Super capitals are now seeded in 6-CZ49

Time we make two combat zones, next to other, one for supers and one for sub capitals. non supers.

Already created. Go next door to PVH?

TITANS AND SUPERS SHOULD ONLY BE FOR DDL WAAAAAAAH

problem, cant test normal capitals with out being forced to suffer the wrath of super capitals, even before they were seeded, it wasn't horrible bad, you could still have some sort of fun in a carrier or dread, now it is nearly impossible.

Also this.

Every time I want to test a new dread or carrier setup with friends, we end up getting doomsdayed by some ******* from DDL.

Now it will be worse.