Hey there.
Today I tested Reactive Armor Hardener and came to this:

- With the new skill it keeps draining cap very fast so I see no reason to fit it on something smaller then a BC

- Resistance bonus is really small: usually you get damaged by 2 types of damage which means your hardener sets 2 resists to ~30%. Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II gives almost the same resist bonus with no build time and cap drain.
As for resists when you compare it to *Nano Membrane II there is usually 2-3% difference when 2 resists are set to 30%.

So is this mod useful?

"- With the new skill it keeps draining cap very fast so I see no reason to fit it on something smaller then a BC"

Then Vs Than - funnily enough, NOT THE SAME WORD.

Please. For the love of whatever deities you believe in, start using the language correctly. I actually stopped reading after this failure of a sentence; what you basically said was (in other words for purposes of clarification) -

"With the new skill it keeps draining cap very fast so i see no reason to fit it on something smaller after a BC"

Did that make the slightest bit of sense? No.

Should you feel bad? Yes.

There are a lot of Amerrukans that do this, and i've noticed it far more in recent times - it doesn't matter whether you think "Derp, its the same thing/i can say what i want/you knew what i meant/I AM AMERRUKAN! I SAY WHAT I WANT OR I BOMB YOUR HOME, TERRORIST!!!1/etc - it is still completely wrong.

Amerrukans

"- With the new skill it keeps draining cap very fast so I see no reason to fit it on something smaller then a BC"

Then Vs Than - funnily enough, NOT THE SAME WORD.

Please. For the love of whatever deities you believe in, start using the language correctly. I actually stopped reading after this failure of a sentence; what you basically said was (in other words for purposes of clarification) -

"With the new skill it keeps draining cap very fast so i see no reason to fit it on something smaller after a BC"

Did that make the slightest bit of sense? No.

Should you feel bad? Yes.

There are a lot of Amerrukans that do this, and i've noticed it far more in recent times - it doesn't matter whether you think "Derp, its the same thing/i can say what i want/you knew what i meant/I AM AMERRUKAN! I SAY WHAT I WANT OR I BOMB YOUR HOME, TERRORIST!!!1/etc - it is still completely wrong.

Its spelled Americans.

Don't forget, it IS a t1 module and should be compared as such.
CCP said that once they've determined if the new modules are balanced, we'll see Meta and T2 versions, which I can only assume will be competitive with t2 EANM's.

As it goes for PvE I just checked out resists on a deadspace C-Type EANM. It gives ~31% to every resist.
Guess it's useless in PvE since it gives lower resists and you can also use hardeners of the specific damage type.

I wonder if someone used it PvP.

Should you feel bad? Yes.

There are a lot of Amerrukans that do this, and i've noticed it far more in recent times - it doesn't matter whether you think "Derp, its the same thing/i can say what i want/you knew what i meant/I AM AMERRUKAN! I SAY WHAT I WANT OR I BOMB YOUR HOME, TERRORIST!!!1/etc - it is still completely wrong.

"- With the new skill it keeps draining cap very fast so I see no reason to fit it on something smaller then a BC"

Then Vs Than - funnily enough, NOT THE SAME WORD.

Please. For the love of whatever deities you believe in, start using the language correctly. I actually stopped reading after this failure of a sentence; what you basically said was (in other words for purposes of clarification) -

"With the new skill it keeps draining cap very fast so i see no reason to fit it on something smaller after a BC"

Did that make the slightest bit of sense? No.

Should you feel bad? Yes.

There are a lot of Amerrukans that do this, and i've noticed it far more in recent times - it doesn't matter whether you think "Derp, its the same thing/i can say what i want/you knew what i meant/I AM AMERRUKAN! I SAY WHAT I WANT OR I BOMB YOUR HOME, TERRORIST!!!1/etc - it is still completely wrong.

Aww c'mon people, don't feed the troll.
It's obvious I'm not from US or UK and english is not my native language.

If someone like that grammar n-¦zi fails at real life and also at trolling just leave him/her alone.

More importantly I want to discuss that mod.

Its spelled Americans.

Aww c'mon people, don't feed the troll.
It's obvious I'm not from US or UK and english is not my native language.

If someone like that grammar n-¦zi fails at real life and also at trolling just leave him/her alone.

More importantly I want to discuss that mod.

Aww c'mon people, don't feed the troll.
It's obvious I'm not from US or UK and english is not my native language.

If someone like that grammar n-¦zi fails at real life and also at trolling just leave him/her alone.

More importantly I want to discuss that mod.

Its spelled Americans.

"- With the new skill it keeps draining cap very fast so I see no reason to fit it on something smaller then a BC"

Then Vs Than - funnily enough, NOT THE SAME WORD.

Please. For the love of whatever deities you believe in, start using the language correctly. I actually stopped reading after this failure of a sentence; what you basically said was (in other words for purposes of clarification) -

"With the new skill it keeps draining cap very fast so i see no reason to fit it on something smaller after a BC"

Did that make the slightest bit of sense? No.

Should you feel bad? Yes.

There are a lot of Amerrukans that do this, and i've noticed it far more in recent times - it doesn't matter whether you think "Derp, its the same thing/i can say what i want/you knew what i meant/I AM AMERRUKAN! I SAY WHAT I WANT OR I BOMB YOUR HOME, TERRORIST!!!1/etc - it is still completely wrong.

they're resist bonus

"- With the new skill it keeps draining cap very fast so I see no reason to fit it on something smaller then a BC"

Then Vs Than - funnily enough, NOT THE SAME WORD.

Please. For the love of whatever deities you believe in, start using the language correctly. I actually stopped reading after this failure of a sentence; what you basically said was (in other words for purposes of clarification) -

"With the new skill it keeps draining cap very fast so i see no reason to fit it on something smaller after a BC"

Did that make the slightest bit of sense? No.

Should you feel bad? Yes.

There are a lot of Amerrukans that do this, and i've noticed it far more in recent times - it doesn't matter whether you think "Derp, its the same thing/i can say what i want/you knew what i meant/I AM AMERRUKAN! I SAY WHAT I WANT OR I BOMB YOUR HOME, TERRORIST!!!1/etc - it is still completely wrong.

Aww c'mon people, don't feed the troll.
It's obvious I'm not from US or UK and english is not my native language.

If someone like that grammar n-¦zi fails at real life and also at trolling just leave him/her alone.

More importantly I want to discuss that mod.

How did you manage to write grammar n-¦zi? I wrote the same and it got replaced with stars. Is writing n-¦zi only forbidden if you're German? Ich muss dagegen auf das Sch+ñrfste protestieren!

I haven't looked at this module but from what I'm reading about it's behavior on the forums, I'd say Gal, prolly not going to use it as much as min because of the differences in the cap requirements of the two races. Min guns = no cap, gal guns = lots of cap. Compounded with split resistances since you're usually getting hit by more than one damage type and well.....why add more of a cap burden?

"It's," not "its."

(Cool, I can play, too!)

it needs a t2 variant with 80% total resistance to spread around rather than 60%

otherwise its complete **** as t1 version

A module that potentially gives 80% unstacked resistance is far too powerful. Improved variants should have shorter cycle times (leading to quicker damage type adaptation)

No, no, no.
You should have put the quotation mark before the comma, not after!

Ain't learnin' fun?

The entire idea of it is flawed, the vast majority of the time the resist bonus is completely wasted because it either doesn't trigger before the fight ends, damage types change or it ends up spread over too many damage types to be more useful than a regular EANM.

A simple solution would just be to make it comparable to the Invulnerability Field, a direct Active upgrade from the EANM. No, it's not an answer to ACB's, but it never will be anyway, simply because the way the two function is completely different.

The entire idea of it is flawed, the vast majority of the time the resist bonus is completely wasted because it either doesn't trigger before the fight ends, damage types change or it ends up spread over too many damage types to be more useful than a regular EANM.

A simple solution would just be to make it comparable to the Invulnerability Field, a direct Active upgrade from the EANM. No, it's not an answer to ACB's, but it never will be anyway, simply because the way the two function is completely different.

After testing it for more then a week I came to conclusion this mod is a total waste of space and cap:
- uses a lot of cap
- still builds up too long, with Armor Resistance Phasing level 4. I guess level 5 won't change this a bit.
- the resist bonus is too low. In the best case scenario it gives you 30%/30%, unless you fight some caldari guy that can change the damage type. Happend to me a few times already.

Even if that mod had 1 sec build time it would be still useless. :(

And yet drake fleets still only use kinetic missiles.....Though I too think the meta and t2 versions have much more promise.

Adaptive Resistance Plating I (base stats)
Low Slot
CPU: 30
PG: 1
Capacity: 1.00 m3
Explosive dmg resistance bonus: 10%
EM dmg resistance bonus: 10%
Kinetic dmg resistance bonus: 10%
Thermal dmg resistance bonus: 10%
Used with (charge group): Resistance Script

Then fit scripts to it.

Would you just look at this detractive twit... First, you contributed nothing to the discussion at hand. Second, you assumed the person who made the comment is an American without any real evidence of that being a fact. And finally, you bash both the poster and Americans for using less than perfect grammar with an example that is an even more atrocious display of poor writing skills. You, Sir or Ma'am, are a charlatan.

"I" as a personal pronoun, including "I've" is always capitalized; even when used mid-sentence. The hyphen is not an all purpose replacement for both periods, semicolons and commas. Abbreviations are supposed to be followed by a period; though I will admit that the usage is becoming some what pass+¬. The "/" is not a replacement for the word or. Sentence fragments are just that; try joining them to another statement. Lastly, this just speaks for itself:

"There are a lot of Amerrukans that do this..." should be, "There are a lot of Americans who do this..."

Now STUFU shortbus, I came here to get information and opinions on the armor module.

A module that potentially gives 80% unstacked resistance is far too powerful. Improved variants should have shorter cycle times (leading to quicker damage type adaptation)

"- With the new skill it keeps draining cap very fast so I see no reason to fit it on something smaller then a BC"

Then Vs Than - funnily enough, NOT THE SAME WORD.

Please. For the love of whatever deities you believe in, start using the language correctly. I actually stopped reading after this failure of a sentence; what you basically said was (in other words for purposes of clarification) -

"With the new skill it keeps draining cap very fast so i see no reason to fit it on something smaller after a BC"

Did that make the slightest bit of sense? No.

Should you feel bad? Yes.

There are a lot of Amerrukans that do this, and i've noticed it far more in recent times - it doesn't matter whether you think "Derp, its the same thing/i can say what i want/you knew what i meant/I AM AMERRUKAN! I SAY WHAT I WANT OR -snip- !!!1/etc - it is still completely wrong.

Don't forget, it IS a t1 module and should be compared as such.
CCP said that once they've determined if the new modules are balanced, we'll see Meta and T2 versions, which I can only assume will be competitive with t2 EANM's.

unstack its bonuses like a dcu.

Done.

The problem OP is that you assume an even distribution of damage between two types. If the damage is primarily of one type then it shoots way, way ahead of an EANM after a short time. Even in the undesirable case of two even damage types, it's only a little worse than the EANM and costs less CPU.

Most individual ships will be doing one damage type primarily...with a few exceptions (Hybrids with AM will do a decent mix of kin/therm). Furthermore, you're comparing them to EANMs. I suspect that these would actually be more useful on a ship that needs to fill a resist hole...If you start getting hit in the hole the mod will compensate, while not being a wasted slot against every other type (Though this is risky; only doable if you're in a ship that will last a little while).

Also, as said before, it's a T1 mod

Maybe it would work on cap ships? I know nothing about those but maybe thats how they wanted it used? Like I said, i dunno **** about capships.

I feel like you'd be better off with an armor hardener that just took scripts instead of this terrible module.

The reason I bring this up is because I want armor tanks (active, specifically) to be viable. I already did the shield tanking in small-to-medium group PvP a few years ago with minmatar and caldari and I made this character to armor tank.

It's good for closing gaps should your lowest resistance ever be attacked.
But if you already have >80% in a resistance and that's the one you're been hit at, it doesn't help much.

Although increasing resi from 80% to 85% is good - you cut enemy DPS by another 25%. Or am I just eftwarrioring?

I haven't looked at this module but from what I'm reading about it's behavior on the forums, I'd say Gal, prolly not going to use it as much as min because of the differences in the cap requirements of the two races. Min guns = no cap, gal guns = lots of cap. Compounded with split resistances since you're usually getting hit by more than one damage type and well.....why add more of a cap burden?

To become useful this module needs to react instantly, or at least much faster than it currently does. And the reaction must shift the resistances towards the optimal resistance profile based on both incoming damage and the existing resistances.

I would really like to use something like this, but right now it does too little, and the cap requirement is too harsh.

Some gallente ships are now shield tanked by some people, even the ships with an armor repair bonus. They get a good tank and a ton of damage with all those lows. I'd hate to see how absurd the T2 ancillary shield boosters will be.

t2 version will be beast for sure.

In fact, the module spread resistances pretty fast now : vs 2 damage types, you need 15 seconds to spread completely to 30/30, which is better than EANM before stacking penalty.

Maybe some meta levels could come with less capacitor need, and a T2 with a little more resistances to spread.

I'm not sold. If you introduce a third damage type, even if it is tiny, the RAH goes completely stupid. So its a liability waiting to happen in PVP, right? If you're fighting npcs then your lows are a premium because you need to squeeze in damage mods and you're using hardeners which have a bigger benefit anyway.

The fact that I'm not seeing people in this thread posting fits with the RAH tells me quite a lot.

Same CPU/PG adapt faster and consumes +20% capacitor.

I can see it from here already, very useful indeed

I've done some testing with the mod, and it seems pretty good, you just have to know under what circumstances you would fit it. Fitting one EANM and one RAH i don't find to be any good, but if you have 2 EANMs already then the RAH starts to be worth it, giving you better resists than a 3rd while at the base 15% setting.

As for how the resists are applied, well that can be confusing. I've been attacked by serps and recieved 30/30 resists, yet i've also been shot by caldari sentry guns (i shot up a station, just to check out what happened to the resist profile). Now, I have got an awesome kin resist , so watching my kin profile on the RAH drop down to 0, massively boosting the therm resist to 40% and juggling em and exp, came as little surprise to me, knowing that the incoming damage would be kin and therm in large amounts, with lesser em and exp. But the serps...they gave me a 30/30 profile to the same ship. I'm starting to lean toward the conclusion that the method for working out the resists seems to work better under multiple damage types than it does under 2, but more testing is needed before that thread is opened

I've done some testing with the mod, and it seems pretty good, you just have to know under what circumstances you would fit it. Fitting one EANM and one RAH i don't find to be any good, but if you have 2 EANMs already then the RAH starts to be worth it, giving you better resists than a 3rd while at the base 15% setting.

That's only true for pure omni-damage. Against 3 or less damage types, the RAH is better than a 2nd EANM after 1 cycle I think (15+6 % ~= EANM * 87% ; and possibly more if it shift to counter the prevalent damage type).

Imho this module is only interesting in hulls like this one for instance and becomes very powerful if you ad armor links.

Without links and hull bonus it's awful.

Take your fit with the RAH, replace that module with the 15% energized layering membrane, is it an improvement or is it counterproductive?

I've been musing over using the RAH for caps in WH fights. The thing that kills it for me is the resist adjustment behaviour is pretty sucky. Even in moderate sized engagements you'll easily be getting all four damage types, so you'll be stuck with the stock 15/15/15/15 split. Even with the lack of stacking you're still better with an EANM. This all stems from the adjustment ignoring how much damage you're taking of a specific type, so if you take huge amounts of kin/therm from a Moros, but a small amount of exp damage from lokis, the RAH balances against therm/Kim/exp evenly. Now if the adjustment took into account the proportion of damage of each type then it would be good. So in the Moros case you get a mostly kin/therm profile with a tiny amount of exp.

The other annoyance is the RAH getting stuck on a resist profile. This is less of an issue as you can cycle the mod to reset it, but I would prefer that it continued to adjust.

I'm pretty sure RAH adapt differently deping on how much damage you take.

I did several tests and while I did not manage to understand exactly how RAH works, I got these results:

Absolution (scorch) + warriors II hitting my loki: switch to 42-3-0-15 resistance.
But Absolution with scorch only: switch to 30-30-0-0

This module is still a mystery for me.

Our tests showed it works in tandem with your current resists - ie you take laser damage and your resists are 60 80, it'll balance them to 85 85 or whatever.

Not the case with my test:

I was in a Loki, so base resists were 97-88-86-85 before switch, and against an Absolution shooting scorch+warriors (so a damage imput of roughly 500-100-0-100) the RAH switched to 40-10-0-10 (+/-5 on each).

After the RAH stabilized, the resists were 98-88-84-84. Definitely not aiming towards even resistances, or it would have switched to something like 0-30-0-30.