In essence, you can make a Hulk survive a gank. Alternatively, you can just go for the long haul, skip that, and include the occasional Hulk loss as the cost of doing business as a highsec miner. Either way, the risk is manageable.

Quite elementary, really.

It's not if you lose 2-3 Hulks per week.

It's not if you lose 2-3 Hulks per week. It's manageable if you can mine enough ore to cover that loss before you lose next ship.

Or get high enough income from other sources, like market.

If you manage the risk, you won't.

If ganker doesn't care about losing money they can grief someone out of this game continuesly ganking same player. Of course they can force them to pay so they don't get ganked.

If ganker doesn't care about losing money they can grief someone out of this game continuesly ganking same player. Of course they can force them to pay so they don't get ganked.

But for example Goons used that to create list of players they should gank.

Move to a WH and mine grav sites so they can't locate you?

True, but . . . the most intensive PVP players have to buy ships. If they are anything but the most exceptional in ability, and are active at PVP, then they will be losing some ships = even more need for ISK on top of that for buying new ships as skills build up.

Unless you are going to buy plexes, ISK generating in-game activities are therefore a necessary 'weakness' even to the most hardcore PVPers. To be sure, there are lower- and higher-risk in-game ISK generating activities: mining in a non-public grav belt in a hinterlands system being perhaps one end of the extreme; versus, soloing C4 wormhole sleeper sites or nullsec ratting in someone else's sov area being on the other end of the continuum.

But then the same can be said of PVP: there are more and less risky varieties of PVP, which is why solo kills have inherently more prestige to them than blob kills.

To be honest, this whole carebear vs PVPer dichotomy is hogwash. Worse it is a repulsive reflection of a seemingly innate human drive to discriminate ourselves into In-Group / Out-Group distinctions and then use those distinctions as a pretext to ramble down xenophobic and derogatory paths of ethnocentrism.

EVE is a PVP game with PVE included. As such, there is an innate amount of unpredictability resulting from the ever-present possibility that other players will enter into your PVE sphere. So-called "carebears" simply need to be aware of this, if all they really want to do is PVE. As various posters have noted, there are measures that can be taken to mitigate the risks. But as the saying goes, There is no where in EVE that is truly safe.

On the flip side, many PVPers seem to regard themselves as superior to 'carebears,' when in fact they are in part, else on occasion carebears themselves. Unless all you do is buy plex or loot wrecks from PVP engagements for your ISK, you ARE to some degree a lowly 'carebear.' Those PVPers who relish denigrating, humiliating and criticing carebears for their weakness and stupidity should keep that in mind as well as the following: Imagine EVE with ZERO carebears, that means no harvesting of ANY PVE resources (ores, gases, radar sites resources, rat/sleeper wreckage and salvage, planetary interaction): because they are not PVP all of these activities legitimately should be considered as 'carebearing' and I reckon that all of you high-and mighty carebear-haters have and will continue to engage in these lowly carebearing activities. In truth, without carebearing EVE simply could not exist as it presently does. Buying plex would become requisite, prices would skyrocket, seeding of markets with material and items would become necessary.

In sum, if you think you are NOT a carebear, you in fact most likely are to some degree a carebear nonetheless. If you honestly feel loathing or disrespect for carebears because you feel that they are below you then you are simply being antisocial, egotistical, and prejudicial.

Why answer questions when those answers won't change anything?

examples: explains covert cloaks, explains the 1 minute aggression timer + running back to the gate advantage, explains agility versus enemy scan resolution, explains how the 360 scanner is your only defense tool against combat probes, suggest scouting, etc.

There's still one thing that could be used in gate camps: dictors and HICs can get very high scan resolution. If for example HIC pilot isn't AFK is quick enough he/she can lock down that mission runner trying to escape that camp.

There just isn't counter for it.

1) Question regarding losing ships.
I have lost a few Hurricanes recently in high-sec which p****** me off. I can replace them but it's hassle. Usually happens when I over-aggro by accident and in combination with being webbed and scrammed the ship turns into space junk. Lost a mammoth a while back from a suicide gank while not paying full attention to what I was doing and having too much attractive cargo in the hold. I don't use a mammoth for that activity anymore. I try to learn from my mistakes. On the other hand if I was to lose one of my expensive ships I would not be at all pleased. It would set me back in terms of time & labour to replace them but I probably would do so. There is risk everywhere in New Eden but if you are diligent for the most part you will come to no harm.

2) Question regarding an acceptable/target amount of ISK profit per month in high sec.
I personally choose not to buy PLEX with ISK but each to their own. I have occasionally bought a couple of PLEX with RL money to 'top-up' but I don't make a habit of it. I 'pay to play' with RL money as -ú7.50 per month for UK players isn't that much. I can afford it for the fun I get from the game.
I don't agree with your answer to question two as it makes no sense. To only earn enough ISK to pay for a PLEX per month would leave nothing to do anything else in the game. So obviously a pilot is going to have to earn more than 500 million ISK per month in high sec if they wish to play without paying RL money in subs. As an theoretical example of ISK earned in high sec per month If I were to play every day casually an mine for a few hours I would earn about 40 million ISK per day. Which is 1,200,000,000 I think Maths not my strong point. I wouldn't mine every day though as I mix n' math on a number of careers. But I would guess that for the casual high sec player that is an average figure for a month. For an industrialist with spreadsheets or a Incursion pilot who gets in fleets easily they will be earning more obviously.

Havent read all the pages but on the subject of Hulks if you have a half decent tank and are watching local you shouldn't be losing hulks at all in high sec. Low & nul-sec are another matter entirely of course.

The reasoning for my answer #2 is because highsec income is supposed to be the lowest available in the game.

I disagree. Unless you are talking strictly running PvE content. Even then, it relies on the amount of SP a person has. New players can run level maybe 1 level 4 per hour, whereas a long time player can run multiple level 4s per hour.

LOL u and all u griefin buddies are the redundant ones. Tell me how you can really think that gankin a T1/T2 fitted hulk with a a few Tier 3 BC's can be profitable? You are griefers, plain and simple and as such should be perma banned. There is absolutely no profit in ganking hulks with tier 3 bc's. Therefore it IS griefing.

And don't bother either Porto. You are a Goon disguised as a ugly girl, or in your other self, Mussolini's fatter brother.

New players aside (we don't stay noobs forever), I understand running level 4's in highsec is the "standard" for isk/hour if you are a mission runner. It is the maximum attainable income in that profession. Therefore, this is the standard isk/hour when you compare it to other sec regions. When that income alone becomes "more than enough", what incentive is there to try and raise it (i.e. leave highsec)?

If PVP becomes optional, what is the point in having an income once you have the best available ship available in the game + make enough to pay for a PLEX... essentially giving you the exact same experience as on the Sisi server?

If you achieve perfect immunity and the game becomes free to play.. making 10 mil/hour becomes equal to making 100 bil/hour.

Hate the game not the player

2. Real person is controlled by his game char

Also, there is no hulk *debate*. The only chance of survival in a good hulk gank is the chance of an error on the part of the ganker, period. You can pre align all you want, when you get bumped by my "neutral alt", you aint warpin away, you're stayin' and dyin'.

If they are pre-aligned, they can insta-warp the second anyone enters the belt. Staying aligned means moving towards a safe spot at 3/4 speed. So unless they aren't paying attention (which happens since mining is boring as @$!*), you won't have a chance to get in range to bump them before they warp off.

If Hulk moves at 3/4 of max speed Orca can't keep up with it. Hulk also runs out of strip miner range in around 5 minutes (max range bonus form Orca's range link).

If Hulk moves at 3/4 of max speed Orca can't keep up with it. Hulk also runs out of strip miner range in around 5 minutes (max range bonus form Orca's range link).