I'm not sure it's really about ego, at least not anymore. I think it's more that, rightly or wrongly, they feel bullied. To some extent, I think they're probably right. They're seen as a soft target, and theres a lot of peer group approval to be had from ganking them. I don't see a lot of difference between that and a group of bullies in, say, a school. The dynamics seem pretty similar - find a soft target, portray them as weak/outsiders, make things difficult for them, make them feel unwanted and an object of ridicule, and the whole thing's kind've self-perpetuating after that. The more the bullies see the target bullied and the bullying behaviour rewarded, the more it happens.

With this in mind, I don't think the current hostilities of carebears towards those they see as bullies is mainly defensiveness. A lot of them feel as though they are being made targets by other people who want to push them out of a game they would otherwise enjoy.

Personally, I think they have a point. I think some of the behaviour seen on the forums is basically bullying. I'd also bet that you won't get as many replies from miners as you would otherwise because of this. Answering your questions is basically inviting attack.

the ship must be capable of fielding a decent tank

A Hulk pilot that has realised that he needs to sacrifice his MLU's & cargo expander rigs often has said decent tank. They are however, the 1%. I ran in to one a couple of weeks ago that survived 2 shots from an Alpha tornado in 0.5 space. While I got him in to structure, he still survived. Why? Because he fielded a decent tank.

@ Mallak ,

See this is something I see alot that does kind of irk me in some ways, I am a do all player, and once upon a time I was a miner.. yes, indeed I was a rock smasher.. your comment on fitting ships better for tanking, when you are mining.. is BS.. Have you tried fitting out a mining ship, and actually go mining for profit.. until recently, and maybe some points here and there during past cap wars mining wasn't a very profitable source of income as far as isk/hr goes that everyone so loves to talk about. In order to get the most you can to make a decent wage, YOU CAN NOT TANK IT UBER ELEETZ GODZ MODE.. battlehulks are the past, all a hulk does is mine.. not fit to tank against pvp, you can squeeze in some decent tank against rats.. but you are NOT going to make a good wage with a full tank anti gank hulk.. u might as well jut not undock. However your argument on quieter areas is a +1111 comment... Eve is a massive universe, gankers can not be everywhere, sure maybe you have to travel a few extra jumps to make a lil more on ore sales, but doing some recon of areas and looking for quiet yet not to far and secluded system to mine in goes a far way.

Not personally assaulting you on this, you were just the one to make the comment the billionth time to make me give my opinion.

P.S. fk mining anyway .. crap wait, I need my ship to make things go pew pew pop

either the nado sucked, he had good fleet boosts from somewhere, or wasnt making much isk and had nothing better to do?? whichever, good for him hehe

Tanking your Hulk is only one way to protect yourself from ganks. Other ways involve a little more effort, but allow you to mine with a fully MLU'd Hulk and avoid all ganks. Every single one.

This is a new and exciting thread that will deliver new and exciting discussion.

it's pointless to tank to avoid death by gank is all i'm sayin..

that will not save you, you can always be ganked, and always for less cost then your ship.. it's pointless to tank to avoid death by gank is all i'm sayin.. and your cutting into your isk making which is pretty low to begin with

The way this game is set up alot of people mission for a year or two before they feel they can be effective in any form of pvp.

Hate the game not the player

The problem is that, the way the game is actually set up, they're wrong, and that by doing so, they will never be effective because they will always be lagging behind in the two things that really matters: experience and support.

So hating the players who fool them into believing such nonsense is rather appropriate.

The way this game is set up alot of people mission for a year or two before they feel they can be effective in any form of pvp.

Hate the game not the player

Who is the bigger fool? The fool, or the fool who follows him?

either the nado sucked, he had good fleet boosts from somewhere, or wasnt making much isk and had nothing better to do?? whichever, good for him hehe

The latter might at least have an excuse, not knowing better and allGǪ the former is just malicious.

While I do see some truth in your words there is more to it than just this. There is self-victimization. If you're being bullied - FIGHT BACK. The same tools that a ganker uses to shoot you are the same tools that are available to you to shoot him back.

EVE revolves around ships exploding.

ok with being ganked. They accept it as being part of the game. What they don't like is feeling like they're not wanted in the game and that one group of people is trying to drive them out. That's what they're facing now, and I really don't think that's either right or healthy for the game.

Interesting viewpoint (and definitely OPINION) considering most outside media reporting on the game talk about how it revolves around the "unique player-driven Market".

To some extent, yes. But then you're saying to those people, "listen, you have to pvp" and they feel forced into that, they're likely to quit. Now, sure you could say "they needed to HTFU" and so on, but I think that sometimse that smacks of blaming the victim. Miners that I speak to are generally ok with being ganked. They accept it as being part of the game. What they don't like is feeling like they're not wanted in the game and that one group of people is trying to drive them out. That's what they're facing now, and I really don't think that's either right or healthy for the game.

Said market also revolves around ships exploding. If ships didn't explode, ships & modules wouldn't need replacing, there would be no point to building stuff because nothing was exploding... Do you see where I'm going with this?

I showed a few Forum postings to my Therapist awhile back and she found that player attitude to be extrememly 'not normal' and actually tried to talk me out of playing.

I showed a few Forum postings to my Therapist awhile back and she found that player attitude to be extrememly 'not normal' and actually tried to talk me out of playing.

It's a sandbox for people to do whatever they want. And the anti-miner crap is just that. Crap. The occasional surprise gank is no big deal and should be expected. But the pile-on has become so huge and childish I refuse to re-subscribe my 3rd and 4th tooons until CCP seriously does something about wat is absolutely the most negative player attitude on the net. Period.

Oh, and they barely got 40,000 online today...on a Saturday. And sorry but the Diablo 3 debut is now long in the past.

They had better say a few prayers for CCP cause the rats are indeed leaving over this screwed up attitude. 2 of my 4 accounts included.

And none of my toons have even been ganked in 18 months. But, the attitude is indeeed crippling. And should at this point be a huge financial worry to CCP.

OK. Then they are both equally important. But thanks for revealing your myopic view in your poasting.

Taking a game so seriously & letting things happening in a game affect you is not normal & was most likely the reason she tried to talk you out of playing.

Spaceships are serious business, but not that serious.

It's not short-sighted at all. Think of what would happen to your precious market over time if ships stopped exploding.