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CalinaNightCyn
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Posted - 2010.03.24 08:52:00 -
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no my solo comparison is based on the fact that i do not play with others.
I never said I play fair. but in truth most people are in corps or fleets and
have other people to rely on to come to there aid. So if now i am supposed to be a
lessor player because I choose not to waist probing sp on my PvP account, so what?
^^
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chrisss0r
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Posted - 2010.03.24 08:54:00 -
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yeah so my 3 falcon alts warp in + 150 players from my aliance and thus it's proven the legion is way better than the proteus.
you are really really thick.
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CalinaNightCyn
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Posted - 2010.03.24 08:57:00 -
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 Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: CalinaNightCyn
compare both fiting in EFT and proteus wins with a much better tank and higher dps over legion
Wins what? A "who's got the higher numbers"-competition? How is that in any way relevant toà anything?
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you never let your target dictate a fight on there terms if so your gonna lose..
So you agree, then, that the Legion will easily beat the Proteus?
yeah if the Proteus pilot was afk or just not a very good player.. ship to ship the legion loses the only anomaly is the pilots if there is an exceptional legion pilot with years of experience fighting a Proteus pilot that is just ok then yeah the legion might win but it won't be because he had Superior ship it will be because he knew what he was doing and was able to take quick decisive action in the fight to gain an upper hand
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chrisss0r
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Posted - 2010.03.24 08:59:00 -
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so it's "ship to ship" again. one moment ago you had a second player giving you a perfect warpin.
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CalinaNightCyn
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Posted - 2010.03.24 09:05:00 -
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Originally by: chrisss0r
yeah so my 3 falcon alts warp in + 150 players from my aliance and thus it's proven the legion is way better than the proteus.
you are really really thick.
I never said once that I was fight a legion with a proteus or i would fight you in such i said exactly the opposite.. if I came across you in a wormhole for instance and you were flying a legion then i would gladly kill you for no other reason then your bloody annoying. But I am not gonna go to you with you knowing we intend to fight and steal your can for noobish pvp in high sec because doing so would be allowing you to dictate the fight and you could easily have those corp mates uncloak and handle me in smooth order or remote rep you etc. I said exactly this I will not let someone else dictate the terms of a fight. and with close rng weapons that's even more important. If I plan to kill someone they wouldn't have a clue, surprise is a battle tactic that helps to control and dictate a fight.
and i don't give a **** about a falcon or 3 if i can't win the fight i won't attack. I am patient.
*sighs*
cali
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Tippia
Reikoku
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.24 09:05:00 -
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Originally by: CalinaNightCyn
yeah if the Proteus pilot was afk or just not a very good player..
But you just said that it's down to being able to dictate the terms of the fight. Why do you believe that the Legion can't do this?
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“If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡…
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2010.03.24 09:07:00 -
[97]
Come on Calina. Get a grip. 
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chrisss0r
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Posted - 2010.03.24 09:11:00 -
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Originally by: CalinaNightCyn
and i don't give a **** about a falcon or 3 if i can't win the fight i won't attack. I am patient.
*sighs*
cali
and again it's amazing how you have the element of suprise because your megaawesome and badass but you will never fall for an uncloaking falcon in a wh because you know how to pewpew amitire?
so while i will be shooting stuff in my legion not getting suspecious while you show up on scan you will totally know about my cloaked falcon als that does not show in local and wait until it warps off and logs out.
OH WAIT
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CalinaNightCyn
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Posted - 2010.03.24 09:11:00 -
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Originally by: chrisss0r
so it's "ship to ship" again. one moment ago you had a second player giving you a perfect warpin.
that scenario has nothing to do with me. just my opinion on what ship is better.
and since you keep pointing out i have an alt helping etc like it is a bad thing.. you said you have 3 lol
and in eve its is allowed and perfectly with int the rules to have alts there is even a forum to buy and sell them among players.
so if that makes you unhappy in some way then "I'm sorry, Eve Is a Unfair place to live"
*shrugs*
there is no difference then me using an alt to warp into PvP or you having a Fleet mate in a covert ops give you the same warp .. except for me its a little more work begin i have to control both ends..
and i don't have the luxury of 150 corp mates to jump to my rescue so i would say it evens out.
if you don't think so.. guess what .. I don't give a ****
*winks*
Cali
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chrisss0r
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Posted - 2010.03.24 09:16:00 -
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it's ok so you can have the privilege of always being in perfect range with everything working exactly as planned because you are the most badass player ever but if others assume perfect conditions for themselves it's totally off and should not be considered.
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CalinaNightCyn
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Posted - 2010.03.24 09:18:00 -
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Originally by: chrisss0r
Originally by: CalinaNightCyn
and i don't give a **** about a falcon or 3 if i can't win the fight i won't attack. I am patient.
*sighs*
cali
and again it's amazing how you have the element of suprise because your megaawesome and badass but you will never fall for an uncloaking falcon in a wh because you know how to pewpew amitire?
so while i will be shooting stuff in my legion not getting suspecious while you show up on scan you will totally know about my cloaked falcon als that does not show in local and wait until it warps off and logs out.
OH WAIT
this implies you know something about my tactics which you do not.. jumping to guess work to insult me out of desperation maybe?
you know nothing about my tactics and i care nothing about yours ^^
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chrisss0r
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Posted - 2010.03.24 09:21:00 -
[102]
i will always kill you because i'm badass. hihi
^^
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CalinaNightCyn
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Posted - 2010.03.24 09:27:00 -
[103]
Originally by: chrisss0r
it's ok so you can have the privilege of always being in perfect range with everything working exactly as planned because you are the most bad ass player ever but if others assume perfect conditions for themselves it's totally off and should not be considered.
no idiot , you must be 5
I assumed perfect conditions for both ships. by sizing them up with out calculating optimal.
which if a fair way to asses the ships basic attributes.
you and other came up with a fantasy ship fight and start adding speculation and ignoring the ships
basic stats by adding player ability or error.
I never said i was some crazy bad ass player I said I take my time with **** I watch and I make educated decisions I also make sure to put my ships into a wining fight .. that isn't saying that things don't go wrong or couldn't go wrong that is saying that if I attack a ship that i know at that moment i can take that ship, if something changes like other ships start popping on D-scan or uncloaking then that obviously changes things and in a perfect world that would never be the case , but this is eve and things don't always work out but with proper planing and a little patience you will be victorious more then not.
one thing I can control is my warp in to that fight and I will always be in my optimal rng with a clear plan of staying there after i engage.
give it a rest your ignorance is really wearing me out
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chrisss0r
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Posted - 2010.03.24 09:29:00 -
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no what you do is:
Rock beats scissors
scissors beats paper
paper beats rock
if all 3 are in their optimal condition the rock wins because it's more hardcore!!!!!!
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CalinaNightCyn
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Posted - 2010.03.24 09:33:00 -
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Originally by: chrisss0r
i will always kill you because i'm badass. hihi
^^
Sure kid , you do that.. i'm about to die in despair as it is just form talking to you
Have a good night.
Calina
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Tippia
Reikoku
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.24 09:42:00 -
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Originally by: CalinaNightCyn
I assumed perfect conditions for both ships. by sizing them up with out calculating optimal.
If you didn't take optimal into consideration, you didn't assume perfect conditions.
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which if a fair way to asses the ships basic attributes.
Fair in which way? It implicitly assumes things that will not happen in the game. It ignores a vast majority of those basic attributes. In fact, it's as much of a speculative fantasy fight as the ones you're complaining about. The stats have no meaning without context. Using the kinds of filters you're applying on what counts and what doesn't, a blaster Moros is by far the best ship in the game.
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I never said i was some crazy bad ass player I said I take my time with **** I watch and I make educated decisions I also make sure to put my ships into a wining fight
Again: why do you believe you can't do this in a Legion?
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“If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡…
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
— Karath Piki |
Dr Fighter
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Posted - 2010.03.24 09:48:00 -
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wow some interesting posts here im sure.
doesnt detract from the piont of the thread that the legion is clearly far behind the other t3s, while amarr doesnt need to be best at everything.
A tweak to make it slightly behind the others rather than way behind would be nice.
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CalinaNightCyn
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Posted - 2010.03.24 10:31:00 -
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your wearing em down with the repeat over an over..
the stats that eft produces are un bias and do not count the player.
its just what one ship can do against another doesn't matter what rng anything is
all weapons are designed to work at different optimal ranges.
so close rng weapons are not a disadvantage just like having long rng weapons are not an disadvantage.
they can be if the pilot can craft away to work them to his advantage and are able to get there ships to favorable conditions ergo Keep a ship at your optimal while you stay out of theirs. but one is not better then the other and both pilots have the same chance at being able to manipulate rang to there advantage
a Legion with a 1000 dps proteus 2km away has a serious problem.
a Proteus with a legion 35km away is just annoyed and can warp off anytime.
both weapon types are equally effective in the event that a ship with long rng weapons or a ship with close rng weapons are in there optimal rng.
Good night I am worn out with this whole thing i may come back in afew days ^^
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Keziah Mason
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Posted - 2010.03.24 10:34:00 -
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why would you be at 35km?
why not in disruptor range?
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CalinaNightCyn
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Posted - 2010.03.24 10:40:00 -
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Edited by: CalinaNightCyn on 24/03/2010 10:42:49
Edited by: CalinaNightCyn on 24/03/2010 10:41:59
Originally by: Keziah Mason
why would you be at 35km?
why not in disruptor range?
I would personally be in point rng every-time I intended to kill someone flying any ship be it legion or whatever (i mean can't kill them if you can't keep them from warping) i mentioned something about Proteus being able to clear the rng or having 50% bonus to scrambler rng they kicked legion up with some different ammo and gave it some more rang meh whatever i gave up guessing at what these people are thinking along time ago , good luck
now off to bed Good night
Oh yeah it was that the legion does lower dps but it was cool because it could apply it at 25-35 km alway
and proteus could never get in its optimal.. *sighs* something like that anyway
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Dr Fighter
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Posted - 2010.03.24 10:46:00 -
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why are people comparing the t3s to each other and not to the t2 specalised classes the t3s mimic.
The proteus has a scram range, great dps, great tanking compared with its recons and HACs its mostly alot better.
Do the same with the legion and you get a much worse neuting platform, damage similar to the HACs, covops fits that are barly better than a pilgrim and so on.
the other t3s have fairly obvious benifits over the specised t2 cruisers, the legion not so much this is why the amarians are flying those other t2 cruisers rather than spending 5 times as much on somthing only a few percent better in any area.
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chrisss0r
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Posted - 2010.03.24 10:46:00 -
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Edited by: chrisss0r on 24/03/2010 10:49:19
if you are at 35 you will be pointed because every legion pilot with a brain will fit an domi/rf point
And no it was not saying that the proteus will never be in it's optimal.
The point was that the proteus is only better IF IIIIIFFFF at it's while you argue that the proteus is always better because it is always in it's optimal because you are such an bad ass pvper.
Your point is that the legion is sub par because it does lower dps not figuring ANYTHING ELSE. Even at 15 km the legion does more dps than the proteus so while the proteus has a radius of death where if beats the crap out of a legion the same goes for the legion just for another range. So HOW THE **** are you using this as proof that the legion is subpar?
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maybe because the amarr recons/hacs are already so kickass that even slight improvements help alot? a 500 dps ham legion with 2 bonussed medium neuts kicks the living crap out of any ratter (aaand the awesome 1000dps(!!!!!!!!)) proteus
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Stalina
Gallente
Serious Business Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.03.24 11:00:00 -
[113]
This is thread.
:popcorn:
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Tippia
Reikoku
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.24 11:13:00 -
[114]
Edited by: Tippia on 24/03/2010 11:14:25
Originally by: CalinaNightCyn
the stats that eft produces are un bias and do not count the player.
its just what one ship can do against another doesn't matter what rng anything is
No, see… this is where you are 100% wrong. Range matters immensely – without range, that DPS figure EFT produces tells us exactly squat. Nothing. It's 100% worthless. Even so, EFT can tell you what happens when you put range into the equation, but that means you have to set up a scenario, and you adamantly refuse to accept this as proof of anything (never mind that your own line of argumentation relies on a huge "if" where range is the key component to it all happen).
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so close rng weapons are not a disadvantage just like having long rng weapons are not an disadvantage.
So why are you saying that the long-range weapon platform is at a disadvantage? Where does this contradiction come from?
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but one is not better then the other and both pilots have the same chance at being able to manipulate rang to there advantage
…if they're in the same ship, which they aren't in this case. Instead, we have one ship that is markedly faster than the other.
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a Legion with a 1000 dps proteus 2km away has a serious problem.
a Proteus with a legion 35km away is just annoyed and can warp off anytime.
…so, to apply your logic, the Legion pilot will not sit at 35km range. He will control the engagement and sit at a range where he can keep the Proteus in check. In other words, you agree that the Legion will easily defeat the Proteus.
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Originally by: Keziah Mason
why would you be at 35km?
why not in disruptor range?
i mentioned something about Proteus being able to clear the rng or having 50% bonus to scrambler rng they kicked legion up with some different ammo and gave it some more rang
…and, as mentioned, the extra scrambler range won't matter because it's still not long enough to get the Proteus where it needs to be, or – more importantly – out of optimal range from a Legion. If he tries to use it to close the distance, then he too runs the risk of getting scrambled, and thus once again be the slower of the two ships. And that's before we even get into the nasty things the Legion can do ewar-wise.
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both weapon types are equally effective in the event that a ship with long rng weapons or a ship with close rng weapons are in there optimal rng.
So, again, you agree that the Legion will easily defeat the Proteus.
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“If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡…
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
— Karath Piki |
AnonyTerrorNinja
Minmatar
Buggers' Advanced Interstellar Transport
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Posted - 2010.03.24 12:55:00 -
[115]
Edited by: AnonyTerrorNinja on 24/03/2010 12:56:49
Posting in a thread Tippia is posting in.
How're you luv? ♥
I see a lot of arguing between the range/dps/ehp of the proteus and legion now.
Since people are bringing out fits and numbers, I guess I'll do so too, since someone will likely mention this eventually anyway...
25,378armor hp
131m sig radius
80.5/86.8/85.4/92.2 resists
553dps at 30+17 ranges with 0.04125rad/s
Medium solace remote repairer pushing 288armor every 3.875s
37.4 sensor strength
Two mids still open for other mods, two taken up by tracking computers. Not enough PG for an AB or MWD, but plenty of CPU left.
107+17 ranges using Aurora for 321dps with a 111.72km locking range without a sensor booster.
Ultimately this may not sound particularly amazing, but if had to pair these with a carrier or two for remote rep, and have at least six of these on the field, their spidertanking quickly stacks up to be at least reasonably formidable. Slaves and 5% damage implants *are* being used in this fit, as well as other expensive goodies, but by the time you're fielding a fleet rolling several of these, I should hope you could afford the potential losses.
An alternative, more beefy fit:
38,401armor hp (288,805EHP for those into that sort of thing)
125m sig radius not mwding, 638m sig radius mwding / 256m/s and 1,595m/s respectively
89.1/85.9/80.5/89.6 resists
504dps at 34+5 ranges and 632dps at 11+5 ranges
Corpum A-type med nos with +8.3cap/s drain and 19.5km range
16.4 sensor strength
Two mids left for ewar.
This fit, similar to the demi-sniper one, uses a high(er)-resists buffer and relies on remote repair as opposed to local repair. At the end of the day, while the raw armor hp on either fit may not be anything spectacular, when you take into consideration the resists and non-mwding sig radius, the 'falloff' of damage from anything larger than a command ship is significant enough that the end-result will tickle rather than leave planet sized cavities in your hull.
These are only two of the potential fits that we might play around with.
*edit* these are getting gang bonuses from an Eos with armored warfare mindlink, not a Damnation or a Legion. Eos can run 7x gang links comfortably :3
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CalinaNightCyn
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Posted - 2010.03.24 13:14:00 -
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lol you guys are just sad..
I think i well made my point for anyone with half a brain reading threw this im not gonna re write things again for the 100th time so you can post bits and peaces of what i actually said and apply things i never said to them over and over again.
simple as it gets..
T3's in general are power house ships, stacking high DPS and Tank all t3's .. that is all t3's except legion.
legion gets a fraction of the dps the other t3's have and mediocre tank. How do i know this ?
easyly enough the true un bias stats produced by EFT.. this is the ships plan text stats , how much dmg
they can do , how much tank they have how much cap they have and what rng there weapons have.
this is all i was ever comparing and the legion comes up dramatically short in comparison to the other t3 variants.
I say this Proteus fit can do 1000 dps and have 150k ehp buffer tank ..
and the highest dps Legion fit has 660 dps with mediocre buffer tank or active tank.
now that's a big difference and thats not even the best Proteus fit.
(mind this is not a comparison of the ships fighting with some fantasy Eve ship battle of the mind and loads of added things like other ships warping or what can web what etc etc
this is a simple observation and the stats of these ships are not even remotely comparable.
as they share damn near exact speed and Proteus has other useful things like 50% bonus to scramblers etc
the only real and main difference the two ships have is there ability to tank and deal DPS as well as what rng they can do this at.
now if we go play fantasy footbal with those guys they will have you wrapped up in a scenario of what ifs for eternity , Now to compare to things in the world effectively you have to base that comparison off of facts about the items being compared.
these fantasy scenarios they propose to be fact or even relevant to the ships basic stats (which they are not)
the proteus fit referenced can effectively do 1000 dps and has a buffer tank of 150k ehp (this is mildly low for proteus that can have over 300k ehp ) at its optimal rang of 2.4km it also has a falloff of 9.2km
the legion fit referenced was able to do 660 dps and has a buffer tank less then 60k ehp or a mediocre active tank of about 375-400 dps and a optimal rang of 25-35 km
now what this tells a sain person able to comprehend what they read is that
proteus at its optimal rng can do 1000 dps at its optimal rng and have a very nice buffer tank of more then 100,000 ehp (it uses close rng weapons)
Legion at it's optimal rng can do 660 dps and can either buffer or active tank but nothing special
(it uses a weapon that has mroe rng)
now this means simply based on the un bias EFT number crunching that proteus at its optimal out dmgs legion greatly at it's optimal. and in fact shows more , even if proteus isn't at its optimal it still poses a far Superior tank.
now there is a difference between close rng weapons and long rng weapons obviously. but there is no difference in there effectiveness when they are in there optimal rng. these two morons want to start making up scenarios with god knows what going on in them so far there has been everything from other ships warping in to the fantasy fight and saving the legion to the legion couldn't possibly catch the proteus to the Proteus rng and is a slow ship compared to the legion (which has no credibility , being both ships are cruisers and are the same size weight and use the same propulsion mods and they are both armor tanked as well) and I say stop it!!!! you can not compare these ships based on things that are outside of the ships natural ability with a fantasy Eve imagination battle.. all these what if's they added to this fight like what if the legion pilot did this or that what if the proteus pilot didnt do that
or did this, all the while throwing in **** like "the legion is a fast more agile ship" and the proteus could never get close enough to apply its dmg (read down)
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CalinaNightCyn
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Posted - 2010.03.24 13:21:00 -
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~pick up from last post~
circumstantial ****, that is not based on the ships capabilities but however based on the pilots capabilities to engage and put to use good war tactics
to over come an enemy.. now you can not use these fantasy situation or even a situation like this in actuality that really happened to judge these ships true potential
because once you pit them against each other both ships will still have the base stats that came from EFT , but they will now have Pilot controlling them
and as such pilot are prone to error or one being more skillful of a pilot then the other .. ergo a Pilot with considerable skills in eve Might could easily overcome a lesser
skilled pilot in a more powerful ship..
so you can't make a comparison of the two ships in a fantasy form or in a realistic battle form because the pilots skill and error will effect weather or not they
can get there ships into rng with there weapons and be able to keep them pointed , webbed neuted or keep the cap in good shape etc etc etc ..
So how do you get a decent raw comparison of the different t3 ships..
you have to compare the number the ships can produce in each field using the same equations for each ship to arive at those numbers
EFT is king of this type of calculation in the Eve world.
and the bottom line of the two comparisons was simply put , all fantasy eve imaginative matches aside ..
a proteus in its optimal rang can do 1000 dps and have a very nice buffer tank of 150,000 ehp or slightly less Dps and a buffer tank upwards to
and above 300,000 ehp
a Legion can have a max of 660 dps with a garbage 400 dps active tank or a buffer tank of around 60,000 - 80,000 ehp. and comparatively another fit
that can have 500 dps and a active 750-850 dps tanked fit (providing you spend 320M on a A class Armor rep and 200M on t2 armor rigs)
from my point of view I arrive at the Legion is considerably less powerful then the proteus even more so when you start to look at the other two t3 ships
the Tengu and Loki which all can do high dps numbers with excellent active/buffer tanks with as much rng as Legion
so a recap..
t3's are powerful ships the Tengu , the Loki and the proteus can push out high DPS numbers at there optimal rng and have excellent tank
the legion however can not push out impressive dps numbers and has a far less impressive tank then the other 3 T3 ships
is this a problem ? not really , so why mention it ? well simply because I found it rather disappointing now flying legion but knowing it really
isn't good for much other then solo c3 wormholes and any drake can do that at a fraction of the cost *shrugs*
these guys would like you to beleave i gave an unfair evaluation of the t3 ships because i did not start throwing "what if's" into a scenario
that was based on fiction made up by them and changed constantly to add more crazy **** as they went..
I based my comparison off of the stats the ships showed in EFT and I asked plainly that if you have a Bad ass fit for legion that does decent dps and
has a decent tank then by all means post it and i will re evaluate the stats on each ship and if i am wrong then I will say so but as it stands
legion just isn't in the other t3 ships league.
but do not make up some crazy scenario about what the pilots could or could not do tactic wise to shift the balance of a fight because this is not about
the pilots and the pilots are the anomaly being all are different and though you may be one person in a legion with a proteus the next proteus pilot my kick your
ass in that same legion.. and so you can not judge ship ability with the pilots ability to fly a ship.
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CalinaNightCyn
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Posted - 2010.03.24 13:27:00 -
[118]
Originally by: AnonyTerrorNinja
Edited by: AnonyTerrorNinja on 24/03/2010 12:56:49
Posting in a thread Tippia is posting in.
How're you luv? ♥
I see a lot of arguing between the range/dps/ehp of the proteus and legion now.
Since people are bringing out fits and numbers, I guess I'll do so too, since someone will likely mention this eventually anyway...
25,378armor hp
131m sig radius
80.5/86.8/85.4/92.2 resists
553dps at 30+17 ranges with 0.04125rad/s
Medium solace remote repairer pushing 288armor every 3.875s
37.4 sensor strength
Two mids still open for other mods, two taken up by tracking computers. Not enough PG for an AB or MWD, but plenty of CPU left.
107+17 ranges using Aurora for 321dps with a 111.72km locking range without a sensor booster.
Ultimately this may not sound particularly amazing, but if had to pair these with a carrier or two for remote rep, and have at least six of these on the field, their spidertanking quickly stacks up to be at least reasonably formidable. Slaves and 5% damage implants *are* being used in this fit, as well as other expensive goodies, but by the time you're fielding a fleet rolling several of these, I should hope you could afford the potential losses.
An alternative, more beefy fit:
38,401armor hp (288,805EHP for those into that sort of thing)
125m sig radius not mwding, 638m sig radius mwding / 256m/s and 1,595m/s respectively
89.1/85.9/80.5/89.6 resists
504dps at 34+5 ranges and 632dps at 11+5 ranges
Corpum A-type med nos with +8.3cap/s drain and 19.5km range
16.4 sensor strength
Two mids left for ewar.
This fit, similar to the demi-sniper one, uses a high(er)-resists buffer and relies on remote repair as opposed to local repair. At the end of the day, while the raw armor hp on either fit may not be anything spectacular, when you take into consideration the resists and non-mwding sig radius, the 'falloff' of damage from anything larger than a command ship is significant enough that the end-result will tickle rather than leave planet sized cavities in your hull.
These are only two of the potential fits that we might play around with.
*edit* these are getting gang bonuses from an Eos with armored warfare mindlink, not a Damnation or a Legion. Eos can run 7x gang links comfortably :3
Hey this seems like good **** the gang links kinda take away from the argument above but this is really what i wanted for this thread in general.. I wanted to see how other people are using the t3 and see if others were having any luck with comparatively weaker fits that serve specific functions.
Good ****
Cali
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Ogogov
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Posted - 2010.03.24 13:31:00 -
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Yes, let's all remember how useful the Proteus is outside of a gank situation.
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Quit whining, really.
If there's anything to be said about T3 ships it's that the Tengu came out way overpowered compared to the other three. The rest of them all have their niches but as supposedly flexible ships, they are extremely limited in many ways.
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Vherr Arkhar
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Posted - 2010.03.24 13:42:00 -
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My experience in eve its somewhat like this:
If something doesn't work the way you use it - it's pobably not meant to be used quite that way.
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