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Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.18 21:01:00 - [61] Originally by: Mirxa's Slave Allow me to remind you: Originally by: Mirxa's Slave We would respect you a lot more if you simply admitted this peace deal was a compromise. The attempts to deny this is the case are tortuously twisted even by your own exacting standards. You could have saved both yourself and the reader a substantial ammount of time if you had discussed this initially. Who is "we"? True Knowledge
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.04.18 21:08:00 - [62] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Mirxa's Slave I find it charming that you evaluate the validity of any point based on who said it. Its called personal responsibility and consequence for your deeds. Welcome to the world of Star Fraction politics and being expected to stand up for what you believe in. The fact you are hiding your identity suggests either you are ashamed of it, or using a fake ID to make dishonest argumentation for malicious purposes. Neither alternative persuades me to take you seriously. She belongs to a corporation and an alliance... is it possible perhaps you do not address her point because it's uncomfortable for you to admit it's true? You have a long history of avoiding difficult questions by insulting those asking them instead of simply admitting you were wrong. In this case the person asking this question has an alliance she is a member of (if not represents). Or perhaps Jade are you suggesting that people should only be allowed to speak if they "back it up in space" with a sword and gun? I realize the anarchist focus on violence is your #1 objective here but really. How sincere do you really look advocating "free space" for all when you're basically telling people "fight for your life or shut up". You don't look sincere at all instead you look more like a bully then a revolutionary. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP PORTAL
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.18 21:20:00 - [63] Originally by: Archbishop Or perhaps Jade are you suggesting that people should only be allowed to speak if they "back it up in space" with a sword and gun? No surprise to see you defending the "right" for the coward to cloak their identity and smear from the shadows really. True Knowledge
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.04.18 22:32:00 - [64] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Archbishop Or perhaps Jade are you suggesting that people should only be allowed to speak if they "back it up in space" with a sword and gun? No surprise to see you defending the "right" for the coward to cloak their identity and smear from the shadows really. I see someone who is a member of a corporation and an alliance. Obviously that is hardly "hiding in the shadows". It seems you have a habit of trying to smear those who ask you difficult questions in a vain attempt to avoid those questions. Obviously this is an avoidance tactic you use to hide yourself from answers you are ashamed to give as you realize they will expose the true "Jade Constantine" to the universe. A talented debater such as yourself shouldn't have to resort to such tactics when faced with difficult questions. Hiding from the reality by claiming everyone is a "slave" or a "stalker" is hardly the sign of someone who is assured about their position. Instead it is the sign of someone who is very insecure and is psychologically "hiding" from the truth. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP PORTAL
Mirxa's Slave FCON Aerarium Militare Fidelas Constans	Posted - 2010.04.18 22:42:00 - [65] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Mirxa's Slave Allow me to remind you: Originally by: Mirxa's Slave We would respect you a lot more if you simply admitted this peace deal was a compromise. The attempts to deny this is the case are tortuously twisted even by your own exacting standards. You could have saved both yourself and the reader a substantial ammount of time if you had discussed this initially. Who is "we"? Ah, so now we have a new excuse not to answer. Will I ever get a straight answer here? All of IGS is watching...
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.18 23:03:00 - [66] Originally by: Mirxa's Slave Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Mirxa's Slave Allow me to remind you: Originally by: Mirxa's Slave We would respect you a lot more if you simply admitted this peace deal was a compromise. The attempts to deny this is the case are tortuously twisted even by your own exacting standards. You could have saved both yourself and the reader a substantial ammount of time if you had discussed this initially. Who is "we"? Ah, so now we have a new excuse not to answer. Will I ever get a straight answer here? All of IGS is watching... I notice you haven't answered MY question. True Knowledge
Erichk Knaar Caldari Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2010.04.18 23:04:00 - [67] Originally by: Merdaneth I sort of read at as: "come by anytime and don't be afraid to shoot our pilots, since they need the practice and they are going to shoot you anyway" was that wrong? Also, I was not aware that your particular brand of NBSI forbids pilots to talk on local comm channels. In that case, no, carry on, and thanks for contributing to the training effort. Hopefully our stations are stocked with your ammo of choice, as we will happily sell it to you. Not broadcasting on local communication channels has more to do with the discipline inherent in a militaristic org such as ours. Not trying to be unfriendly, just the way we generally do things.
Mirxa's Slave FCON Aerarium Militare Fidelas Constans	Posted - 2010.04.18 23:13:00 - [68] Actually, I did: Originally by: Mirxa's Slave All of IGS is watching... Come now, anyone would think you had something to hide...
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.19 18:03:00 - [69] Originally by: Mirxa's Slave Actually, I did: Originally by: Mirxa's Slave All of IGS is watching... Come now, anyone would think you had something to hide... Actually you didn't. I asked who is the "we" you are claiming to speak for. True Knowledge
Mirxa's Slave FCON Aerarium Militare Fidelas Constans	Posted - 2010.04.19 20:21:00 - [70] Originally by: Jade Constantine Actually you didn't. I asked who is the "we" you are claiming to speak for. It's a shame you cant answer such a simple question without resorting to avoidance strategies like this one. I assume that you don't run Star Fraction like this, though I have to confess that I find the idea quite amusing.

Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.04.19 22:34:00 - [71] Originally by: Mirxa's Slave It's a shame you cant answer such a simple question without resorting to avoidance strategies like this one. I assume that you don't run Star Fraction like this, though I have to confess that I find the idea quite amusing. This is a familiar Jade tactic Mirxa... when someone asks a question she finds may cause an "inconvenient truth" about her corporation or herself to be revealed she does one of several things. 1. Attempt to slander the author of the question or question their identity claiming they are a "stalker" or whatever paranoid identity she can assign. 2. Ignore the question entirely and dance around it with piles of spin. 3. Start name calling, names like "swine", "insect" and "dog" are among her personal favorites. This is a long standing (five years at least) tactic of hers so I would't expect an honest answer from Jade. Believe me everyone in Eve is familiar with Jade and her confrontational avoidance style of answering questions. You can just be comfortable knowing everyone sees through her and realizes the truth. Jade is incapable of admitting she made a mistake, in fact I can only recall one occasion where she has admitted one... and she has never been questioned about it since... thus indicating the truth does work sometimes. It's unfortuante she lets her pride get in the way of common sense in the face of overwhelming evidence. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP PORTAL
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.19 23:01:00 - [72] Originally by: Mirxa's Slave Originally by: Jade Constantine Actually you didn't. I asked who is the "we" you are claiming to speak for. It's a shame you cant answer such a simple question without resorting to avoidance strategies like this one. I assume that you don't run Star Fraction like this, though I have to confess that I find the idea quite amusing. Why are you finding it so difficult to answer the simplest question I asked you about who the "we" is that you mentioned? Its almost like your are embarrassed about your identity in some way. True Knowledge
Dewgong	Posted - 2010.04.19 23:19:00 - [73] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Mirxa's Slave Originally by: Jade Constantine Actually you didn't. I asked who is the "we" you are claiming to speak for. It's a shame you cant answer such a simple question without resorting to avoidance strategies like this one. I assume that you don't run Star Fraction like this, though I have to confess that I find the idea quite amusing. Why are you finding it so difficult to answer the simplest question I asked you about who the "we" is that you mentioned? Its almost like your are embarrassed about your identity in some way. Why is it so hard to figure out that by "we", she is talking about any and every single being in New Eden? Everyone from the newest pilots to the oldest, slaves to CEOs, etc.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.19 23:20:00 - [74] Originally by: Dewgong Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Mirxa's Slave Originally by: Jade Constantine Actually you didn't. I asked who is the "we" you are claiming to speak for. It's a shame you cant answer such a simple question without resorting to avoidance strategies like this one. I assume that you don't run Star Fraction like this, though I have to confess that I find the idea quite amusing. Why are you finding it so difficult to answer the simplest question I asked you about who the "we" is that you mentioned? Its almost like your are embarrassed about your identity in some way. Why is it so hard to figure out that by "we", she is talking about any and every single being in New Eden? Everyone from the newest pilots to the oldest, slaves to CEOs, etc. Oh you are saying she's simply insanely flapping her gums and claiming to speak to everyone at the same time and using the holy font of cloaked identity to persuade the summit of her providence. I thought as much of course but I was too polite to say so. True Knowledge
Dewgong	Posted - 2010.04.20 00:30:00 - [75] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Dewgong Originally by: Jade Constantine Why are you finding it so difficult to answer the simplest question I asked you about who the "we" is that you mentioned? Its almost like your are embarrassed about your identity in some way. Why is it so hard to figure out that by "we", she is talking about any and every single being in New Eden? Everyone from the newest pilots to the oldest, slaves to CEOs, etc. Oh you are saying she's simply insanely flapping her gums and claiming to speak to everyone at the same time and using the holy font of cloaked identity to persuade the summit of her providence. I thought as much of course but I was too polite to say so. It's not like every single person interested in an answer is going to ask. As an assumption, the majority people typically wait for someone else to ask the question. I for one would like to know the answer.
Fridarey Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.20 04:18:00 - [76] Originally by: Dewgong It's not like every single person interested in an answer is going to ask. As an assumption, the majority people typically wait for someone else to ask the question. I for one would like to know the answer. You know there wasn't actually a question right? That slave character made a statement and didn't ask a question. Sheesh, you amarrians are so stupid.
Mirxa's Slave FCON Aerarium Militare Fidelas Constans	Posted - 2010.04.20 06:36:00 - [77] Originally by: Archbishop in fact I can only recall one occasion where she has admitted one... and she has never been questioned about it since... This was my original point: Originally by: Mirxa's Slave We would respect you a lot more if you simply admitted this peace deal was a compromise. Lets return to that: Were compromises made to secure a peace deal with Daisho?
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.20 14:32:00 - [78] Originally by: Mirxa's Slave Originally by: Archbishop in fact I can only recall one occasion where she has admitted one... and she has never been questioned about it since... This was my original point: Originally by: Mirxa's Slave We would respect you a lot more if you simply admitted this peace deal was a compromise. Lets return to that: Were compromises made to secure a peace deal with Daisho? Are you quite stupid? Its entirely evident that compromises were made with the fact we had a vote on the issue of peace in the first place. There was robust internal discussion that led to a majority of Free Captains supporting a ceasefire on the terms given. This is by definition a compromise since the natural state of play following an attack on SF vessels would be war. This ridiculous question-that-is-not-a-question. Is the reason by the galnet mouthpieces of cloaked identities are not respected in debate. You have nothing to say. True Knowledge
claire xxx Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.20 14:56:00 - [79] As the captain of the ship that was destroyed by the Daisho fleet I'd like to point something out to all the Naysayers. This peace between the Daisho Syndicate and The Star Fraction has been one of cooperation and growing trust since both alliances reset each other to blue status. In fact, early this morning (in KBP) the Daisho Syndicate CEO asked me to open a cyno for his alliance so that they could assist us in destroying one of the last remaining -7- POS towers left in the system. Could I have cyno'ed them into a trap? Certainly. Could they have destroyed my ship as it sat there trapped by the cyno field? Most definitely. Did those things happen? NO! What did happen was that two former enemies who have resolved their differences in a peaceful and amicable resolution worked together for a common goal in the betterment of the greater KBP area and the people who live (and/or will eventually live) here. Any other argument or speculation on the matter is, quite frankly, moot. Claire XXX
Mirxa's Slave FCON Aerarium Militare Fidelas Constans	Posted - 2010.04.20 15:35:00 - [80] Originally by: Jade Constantine Its entirely evident that compromises were made I'm glad to have finally gotten an answer out of you. Sadly the level of personal abuse you have directed at me is unlikely to win you any new friends. You may care to note throughout the course of this discussion I have tried to remain civil in face of such provocation. I'm glad to see you approched the peace treaty pragmatically. Holding space in Providence is a significant paradigm shift for Star Fraction (and indeed Ushra'Khan). I do hope you can remain true to the principles which make you unique.

Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.20 15:43:00 - [81] Originally by: Mirxa's Slave I'm glad to have finally gotten an answer out of you. You really need to check your own behaviour. You spent 2 pages doing everything but asking a question. When you employ dishonest debating tactics to go with your dishonest use of a cloaked identity it will not impress those who prefer to discuss matters in the open with clear integrity and reputation on view. Quote: Sadly the level of personal abuse you have directed at me is unlikely to win you any new friends. You may care to note throughout the course of this discussion I have tried to remain civil in face of such provocation. I tell you clearly that your choice of PR mouthpiece is provoking. You are insulting me by using an identity labelled a "slave". It makes me want to kill you when I find out who you are. Your civility is irrelevent and I wish to make no friends from the ranks of those too cowardly to speak directly in their own name and force an "enslaved" capsuleer to do the talking for them. Quote: I'm glad to see you approched the peace treaty pragmatically. Holding space in Providence is a significant paradigm shift for Star Fraction (and indeed Ushra'Khan). I do hope you can remain true to the principles which make you unique. I would have thought that obvious from the beginning of the thread. But though it is true we have not before made a soveignty claim - its hardly a paradigm shift since we have since founding embraced the development of infrastructure for the benefit of commerce and free trade in 0.0. True the collapse of the CVA has given a window of opportunity in Providence, but its a strategic rather than ideological shift that occured here. True Knowledge
Mirxa's Slave FCON Aerarium Militare Fidelas Constans	Posted - 2010.04.20 17:05:00 - [82] Originally by: Jade Constantine I would have thought that obvious from the beginning of the thread. Now I am confused. I'm infering here that this states you believe you are remaining true to your principles. Yet barely a couple of posts ago you said you were making compromises. Perhaps you can explain to me how this is possible?
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.20 17:08:00 - [83] Originally by: Mirxa's Slave Originally by: Jade Constantine I would have thought that obvious from the beginning of the thread. Now I am confused. I'm infering here that this states you believe you are remaining true to your principles. Yet barely a couple of posts ago you said you were making compromises. Perhaps you can explain to me how this is possible? See this is why Amarrians get a bad reputation for dishonest debate and mumbling nonsense. You are not confused, you however a dishonest waste of skin. True Knowledge
ChipMo Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.20 18:04:00 - [84] Originally by: Mirxa's Slave Now I am confused. I'm infering here that this states you believe you are remaining true to your principles. Yet barely a couple of posts ago you said you were making compromises. Perhaps you can explain to me how this is possible? *ChipMo laughs aloud.. Oh my, has your intelligence implant exploded?
Mirxa's Slave FCON Aerarium Militare Fidelas Constans	Posted - 2010.04.20 18:31:00 - [85] To use the term debate implies you are willing to discuss thing rather than insult people. Again: Please explain how you can both be holding to your principles and compromise
lucifers widow Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2010.04.20 23:19:00 - [86] So are Star Fraction no longer NBSI or just NRDS when they feel like it ?
claire xxx Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.21 01:02:00 - [87] The Star Fraction is still NRDS.
Mra Rednu Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.04.21 06:58:00 - [88] Originally by: claire xxx The Star Fraction is still NRDS. Hmm, concord records would say diferent.......
Mazca Lopez Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.21 08:30:00 - [89] Originally by: Mra Rednu Originally by: claire xxx The Star Fraction is still NRDS. Hmm, concord records would say diferent....... Now would be a good time to present some evidence. If anyone was wrongfully shot by any SF pilot they qualify for reimbursement.
claire xxx Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.21 16:45:00 - [90] Originally by: Mra Rednu Originally by: claire xxx The Star Fraction is still NRDS. Hmm, concord records would say diferent....... Mra, 1. As my brother in arms Mr. Lopez pointed out, any star ship captain that is neutral (and loses a ship) to The Star Fraction will be reimbursed for his ship with our apologies. 2. Do accidental shootings happen? Of course they do. Overview/targeting glitches, newer pilots, the heat of combat, and other reasons all separate, or combined, do occasionally make for accidental shootings. However, again, if it happens we do remedy the situation with a letter of apology and reimbursement. 3. I'd like to point out that just because someone appears neutral or blue to you (or someone else) does not mean they appear that way to the combat pilots of The Star Fraction. We set pilots, corporations, and alliances as -10 red based on deliberate aggression against us, as well as for ideological reasons. You (personally) have no real way of knowing who is red to The Star Fraction and who isn't... unless you have some sort of mad hacker skills and are able to break into either, or both, the Concord and The Star Fraction databases. 4. If you have access to the Concord database and believe a neutral starship captain has been deliberately engaged and destroyed by a Star Fraction pilot then please prove it by providing the details. If there's legitimate proof then I, as one of the Directors of The Star Fraction, will gladly send that pilot a formal apology and reimbursement (if it hasn't already been done.) Claire XXX



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