This is an armsrace that will effects eve for a long long time. Due poor game desighn and repeatable negection of serious issues like this i come to the conclusion that you have learned nothing so far CCP. The only way to fix this a little bit is insta removing tech from tech moons and NPC seed it at current prices untill ringmining is introduced. The excess isk gained should be removed to a level thats acceptable, something thats upto you to decide. The biggest reson for this to do it now is due ISK stocking. When the amount of isk that an allaice gains is soo high that they can save up 500 billion isk a month, something must be serious wrong. When an alliance has over 10 Trillion in savings and gaining another 500 billion a month something is not right.... Expecialy when it is publicly known that CCP employees have high ranks in that allaince. A serious Public Image Threat for you marketing department and your customer base.

TL;DR

Goons and pals control all the tech, and I can't be arsed to do anything about it.

Want that tech? take it, just like they did. :effort: :teamwork:

If only 10% of high sec dwellers were to form an alliance, they would likely out number even the largest null sec alliance by 7 to 1.

I just think the tech should move around. I don't like the idea of fixed assets at fixed locations at all. Tech needs to fade out of one region and fade into another over time. Then you'll see a more dynamic null-sec.

This is not about nerfing tech, this is about injecting sooo much isk in an alliance by broken game mechannics that it is impossible to counter them in several arms races.

Well, you know, it's not like CCP just gave all the tech to the CFC. We fought for it, took it, and hold it.

Not our problem that we were good enough to do so, nor is it CCP's.

If you truly feel that you, no one, will ever be able to take enough to compete, you should probably unsubscribe, because we certainly are not going to stop defending it.

Tell me more about how SoCo works, oh NPC alt forum warrior. (PS. I'm sorry you would get fined for posting with your main.)

No one believed that BoB could be taken down, and then someone did a left click of a mouse and proved them wrong.

Oh did I make the Goon lap dog angry? Know how I know you're angry? When people get angry and have no real argument they like to point out that I am in an NPC corp.

Only difference is that BoB actually had the respect and the money, instead of just the money.

This is what happens when npc corp alts of high sec carebears suggest changes to null sec mechanics.

If only 10% of high sec dwellers were to form an alliance, they would likely out number even the largest null sec alliance by 7 to 1.

Not sure why everyone wants to fight over null sec ... People camping Jita undock / gates are ahead of the curve with regards to effort / risk / reward

Holding tech doesn't affect them. Only concern they have is that Jita doesn't get it's trillions of ISK brought in / out every few hours

TL;DR

Goons and pals control all the tech, and I can't be arsed to do anything about it.

Want that tech? take it, just like they did. :effort: :teamwork:

Also, I think you're vastly mistaken re: Tech profits. If you got 7000 players together and had them doing something in highsec, like say, mission running, or Ice botting, or crafting ships or something, you'd see similar profits. Tech is just what Goons "do" right now, because of a lucky happenstance with Goon space and moon goo.

So that explains why no one could dislodge alliances like Morsus Mihi, White Noise., Raiden., RAZOR, and Mostly Harmless from their tech moons. I was wondering.

Also, I think you're vastly mistaken re: Tech profits. If you got 7000 players together and had them doing something in highsec, like say, mission running, or Ice botting, or crafting ships or something, you'd see similar profits. Tech is just what Goons "do" right now, because of a lucky happenstance with Goon space and moon goo.

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Cant if the current holders buys corps, strenght and has untimited reimbursement powers. Read my post properly pls




Moonmining is 99% afk job once you have the establischment (blues) to defend them. Only need to fuel the tower and scoop out the goo 3 times a month and ship it to jita from time to time. Ppl maybe x up 1% of their monthy playing time to defend it myabe once in holdership....

Go away.

due your repetable failures

This is not about nerfing tech, this is about injecting sooo much isk in an alliance by broken game mechannics that it is impossible to counter them in several arms races. Resulting in several things:

Unlimited reimbursent power;
-Basicly this gives the abillity to suicie fleet after fleet to ware the oppoment isk pool down.

Unlimited capital ship buying power;
-Abllity to fully fund allaince super capitals and reimburse them and not getting an financial injury when losing.

Strenghten the individual corporations of a tech alliance more
-By having lots of isk for those corps they are able to purchase more and better support for there members. Think hereby about setting up logi chains with corp JF's, hireing FC's and free roaming ship reimbursements.

Giving those alliances a better moral and a better pubic image due more isk
-Good FC's tend to join such allaices as they are getting payed in isk and getting their ships fully reimbursed. This creates a chain of affects that boost internal alli moral (more stuff/roams to do) and increases overall public image

Exellent Alliance Recruitment
-Those allainces can take in more and better corps due promising them isk every month. Why shouldnt join an allaince that reimburse all your losses freely, hands out free supers and payes you 10-20b a month for just being there...

This is an armsrace that will effects eve for a long long time. Due poor game desighn and repeatable negection of serious issues like this i come to the conclusion that you have learned nothing so far CCP. The only way to fix this a little bit is insta removing tech from tech moons and NPC seed it at current prices untill ringmining is introduced. The excess isk gained should be removed to a level thats acceptable, something thats upto you to decide. The biggest reson for this to do it now is due ISK stocking. When the amount of isk that an allaice gains is soo high that they can save up 500 billion isk a month, something must be serious wrong. When an alliance has over 10 Trillion in savings and gaining another 500 billion a month something is not right.... Expecialy when it is publicly known that CCP employees have high ranks in that allaince. A serious Public Image Threat for you marketing department and your customer base.

Cant if the current holders buys corps, strenght and has untimited reimbursement powers. Read my post properly pls

The difference is there are not 7000 people mining moon goo. I don't how many people exactly you have tending to POS but I am sure it's just a small handful. A handful of people making the same amount of isk (almost completely passively may I add) as 7000 people actively running missions or mining ice.

Why cause this is a serious issue that is serious broken and that is affecting your income?

No, because you're an alt-corp troll ("foonfleet? Skill yourself.) who has a rather obvious agenda and a poor grasp of the English language. "serious broken" indeed.

i'm sorry but the people in null sec who didn't bother to try and take the tech moons have nobody to blame but themselves. this situation is a direct result of their own actions or lack of.

you mad?

Ah, but it's a lot more fun to wine to CCP and pray that they intervene in the sandbox to "fix" the fact that Goonfleet and the CFC actually like the game enough to do things like take and hold tech moons.

Hey, before you roll your eyes -- it worked for the lazy bastards AFK Bot Mining in highsec! Maybe it'll work for the poor idiots in SoCo. After all, since they never undock they have plenty of time to whine on the forums under alt accounts.

Don't say we. You are no Goon, you are a lowly pet. There was no we, Goons fought for it and took it. Your masters just threw you a bone as condolences for all the rug burns on your knees.

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In Summer 2010, following the Delve fiasco and the Cloud Ring fiasco, goons were invited to move to Deklein and stay on TCF's couch. Couple of months later, TCF decided they didn't want that region anyway and have moved to Venal, handing sovereignty of Deklein over to the Goonswarm Federation.

Just curious, but why do you think that? I have long believed that having the moon-goo fade in and out in waves would absolutely create a more dynamic null-sec landscape as the movement of scarce and limited veins would likely create a moving front-line as alliances are constantly on the go, ravaging an area for it's natural resources and then moving on.

no?

You guys are both dumb, but thanks for bringing your flawed argument to the table. How is anyone supposed to do anything about it. First the biggest alliance (Goons) allies with the second biggest alliance (TEST). Then you have all your pets, which are some of the biggest nul alliances. Your little circle jerk is nearly bigger than every non CFC nul alliance combined.

i'm sorry but the people in null sec who didn't bother to try and take the tech moons have nobody to blame but themselves. this situation is a direct result of their own actions or lack of.

Your flawed argument is like calling the owner of a small grocery store stupid for not being more competitive and letting Walmart put him out of business.

So tell me about Bropact?

Seems like you shave a tech moon and you get 1200 sceamers in local that live from Fountain, all the way around to Gem.

So tell me about Bropact?

Seems like you shave a tech moon and you get 1200 sceamers in local that live from Fountain, all the way around to Gem.

So tell me about Bropact?

Seems like you shave a tech moon and you get 1200 sceamers in local that live from Fountain, all the way around to Gem.

i'll tell you about bropact when you tell me, in detail, about your in-game efforts to change who owns the tech moons.

SoCo has NEVER fielded a fleet that big, as in there isn't enough of the rest of the map.

Be fair they deployed, they tried, they died in a fire.

which station did they stage a sit-in for that?

Somewhere in placid apparently. They shot a pl moon 1 jump from where they were staging and couldn't take it.

Somewhere in placid apparently. They shot a pl moon 1 jump from where they were staging and couldn't take it.

looks like that detailed account of their efforts to change ownership of tech moons will be a worse read than 50 shades of grey.

We took it, DNS actually shaved it, so we let them have it. They held it for 17 hours or some such.

That is the terrible -A- diplomacy you always scream about.

All of the POS mods are on my KB if you have any doubts.

I wouldn't go quite that far. I mean maka raging would provide at least some humour.

17 hours is hardly op success... I mean did they even get any tech out of it? Like enough to pay for the dead tower?

That right there, that "it's impossible, don't bother to try" mentality is what's keeping you down.

Judging from the public opinion on the forum, you are better off staying in empire. The 0.0 population use to much time complaining about how bad everything is in 0.0, empire seem like a nice place why would anyone leave?

Living in empire means more time to shoot at red dots and less time complaining on the forums, and you don't have to take part in the space politics, which seems to be mostly posting on the forums about how great you corp/alliance is, and how terrible everyone else is.

There is probably only two ways to get 10% to leave empire space, the carrot or the whip. Seeing how there is nothing that comes close to being a carrot, nothing is happening unless ccp nerf empire space to hell.

It should not require CCP stepping in to solve the problems of either group (barring the possible redistribution of Tech moons). EVE has always been about player choices over and above any mechanic, nerf or buff. If players cannot make the effort to get off their comfortably padded couches and do something for themselves, then they should expect nothing to change.

Riiiight, cause my 250 man alliance stands a real good chance in a war for assets against the tens of thousnads of members of the CFC. Every time one of your gangs comes through we destroy it (in admittedly usually good fights), but I am not delusional enough to think we could even make a stand in a real war. You out number us 100 to 1, an some of us don't enjoy playing in TiDi.

My point is that if Empire Dwellers do not like the way things are right now, the same tools that Goonswarm et al have used to build their empire are also available for high sec dwellers. If they choose not avail themselves of said tools, then complaining about the way things are at present is as pointless as two bald men fighting over a comb.

It should not require CCP stepping in to solve the problems of either group (barring the possible redistribution of Tech moons). EVE has always been about player choices over and above any mechanic, nerf or buff. If players cannot make the effort to get off their comfortably padded couches and do something for themselves, then they should expect nothing to change.

If all the people who whine about the CFC and their tech holdings banded together they could probably field equal or greater numbers than the CFC in the battle for tech control, but they won't, why? because they're all too busy squabbling with each other to actually pull their fingers out of their posteriors and do something about it.

/me dons flame retardant suit

They tried and CCP changed the wardec system.

Which actually worked for us, PL had about 35 hi-sec corps arrayed against -A- at the time.

Cause tech moons are in Hi-sec........

I don't completley agree here.

Your choices currently are rent, or NPC space if you want to go on your own.

Some corps have pulled it, Black Aces went from renter, to trial, to member and onward in -A-. I wish them luck, they were chill as **** to fly with.


NPC space has issues with ability of denial, and renting has basically SOV bills. Eitherway there are bigger fish.

Fact is that supers drive null, and you can't build supers without sov, you "may" be able to buy them, but they don't appear from air, and there isn't a huge market, generally the people with the ability and the security to build them don't farm them out.

All good also.

The catch 22 is you need sov to build supers and you need supers to hold sov.

Oh who were the first to scream when there were 4000 "pubies" arrayed against them? We changed our logistics routes, you guys cried all over the place.

Your choices are the same now as they have always been, fight or go home. It is the defeatist and weak willed attitude of other players that allows such large null sec alliances the room to spread. Yes, getting a foothold in null is not as easy as it once was, but that does not mean it is impossible, it just requires a little more effort.

If the enemy has big ships that you don't have, then bring excessive numbers of smaller ships. As I said earlier, if only a fraction of the high sec population formed an alliance, or at the very least a band of corporations, they would out number even the largest of the null sec alliances by at least 7 to 1. I dare anyone to see off those kinds of numbers.

Doesnt matter all, fact is..... 0.0 is numbers and super... both are easy to be bought with isk and isk promises to good corporations. Fact is, exessively amount of isks on one side is not healty and is severly disbalancing the game for many years to come....

They tried and CCP changed the wardec system.

Which actually worked for us, PL had about 35 hi-sec corps arrayed against -A- at the time.

The one side took the isk. if its not balanced then its the other sides fault for not seeing their chance and taking it for themselves.

I dont realy care who has the isk now, fact is... next couple of years were all effected by this disbalancement and it doesnt exacly makes the 0.0 wars/ politics/ pew pew/ explosion quality any better.....

you clearly do care or you wouldn't have made a forum thread about it.

srry wasnt finished editing above post

Most high sec ppl are isk making alts of whoever or whatever. The ones that are not are ppl that just joined EVE or not intested at all in pvp (the wowish ppl). I fight a empire ppl fleet outnumbers 7-1 anyday of the time. Skill does matter you know... exept in 90% tidi ofc....

Also Im going to post again because you guys whining are really annoying me.

Technetium and isk DOES NOT WIN WARS. Morale and activity along with players who are actually enjoying themselves win wars.

And if isk is the real issue, MAKE MORE, it doesnt have to be technetium you know, if you put some effort in you can make plenty of isk. For instance:

A Fullerides reaction set which can be made in lowsec, you need a two moons preferably in one system or close by, one needs to be Platinum, that is th eonly isk moon you need for this. Yes you need to buy technetium, but you produce Fullerides and that will net you between 1 and 2.5 billion isk PROFIT EVERY 8 DAYS depending on the market.

My corp runs one of those and a few carbides and sylramics, pretty easy stuff and easy to manage and we make alot of isk, that is just at corp level. If you cant be bothered to do it and just want an easy isk tap then perhaps you dont deserve the right to become powerful enough to challenge teh CFC.

Riiiight, cause my 250 man alliance stands a real good chance in a war for assets against the tens of thousnads of members of the CFC. Every time one of your gangs comes through we destroy it (in admittedly usually good fights), but I am not delusional enough to think we could even make a stand in a real war. You out number us 100 to 1, an some of us don't enjoy playing in TiDi.

The one side took the isk. if its not balanced then its the other sides fault for not seeing their chance and taking it for themselves.

You were handed that ****, do I have to go link it off you wiki AGAIN? Don't make me go back though my post history.

I dont realy care who has the isk now, fact is... next couple of years were all effected by this disbalancement and it doesnt exacly makes the 0.0 wars/ politics/ pew pew/ explosion quality any better.....

There is alot more involved that creates the EVE experiance than just pew pew.... if ppl are leaving the game because its so disbalanced and sooo obvius retared, the internal fun of being in a 0.0 is affected.... thereby less valued and the game dies a little bit

This happends on small scale but has a butterfly affect that will cause hugh inpact on long term... this is what im trying to explain in my first post... but as obvius my english isnt as good as my brains & eve experiance

But what about the other half of the galaxy we conquered

i've been in both the south and the north of nullsec, and it honestly has nothing to do with tech, or isk.

it's the players.

when i was in the south and a CTA was called, either people didn't bother and carried on ratting instead of defending their sov, or just sitting docked in a station until the bad men went away... however in the north it's so, so different.
yes, granted i may have just been with ****** people in the south. still, the difference between where i was and where i am is like day and night, that's all down to the people.

yes sure having boat loads of isk will give some one an advantage, but that means nothing if you're sitting on piles of isk and refuse to undock to defend your piles of isk. no matter what CCP does they can not force people to play a certain way. the whole issue here is the people and nothing more.

let's assume for a second that one group of people ends up in control of null sec (doesn't matter who it is, soco, cfc, goons, your granny's favourite tea pot, or gene wilder) they are going to get bored, eventually they'll either collapse internally, or reset each other for some shooting, and new coalitions will form and the cycle will go on. this perceived lack of balance will not cause the demise of the game, really.

This was a problem before CFC, even before old NC, in fact it was Mitti himself who complian about TEC so you cant point the finger at CFC, its CCP fault with the endless footdragging on this issue. Scream at CCP not fellow Gamers.

This was a problem before CFC, even before old NC, in fact it was Mitti himself who complian about TEC so you cant point the finger at CFC, its CCP fault with the endless footdragging on this issue. Scream at CCP not fellow Gamers.

Well, you know, it's not like CCP just gave all the tech to the CFC. We fought for it, took it, and hold it.

Not our problem that we were good enough to do so, nor is it CCP's.

If you truly feel that you, no one, will ever be able to take enough to compete, you should probably unsubscribe, because we certainly are not going to stop defending it.

CFC hasnt fought for anything.

Goons were given Dek
The rest of you either were already NC pets, that switched sides, or took vacated space. Any member of the CFC cannot do anything by themselves. Thats why there are 40k of them in the north. Also include PL in this. Since PL cant even hold their own Tech moons without callilng the CFC to save them.

The only thing that will break up the big circle jerk is a tech nerf, making it so expensive to hold more space that is needed or adding the War Dec mechanic that makes them pay for blue standings. Since they are "Allies" they should have the same cost.

Don't say we. You are no Goon, you are a lowly pet. There was no we, Goons fought for it and took it. Your masters just threw you a bone as condolences for all the rug burns on your knees.

Also Goons give themselves more credit than they deserve. They were greatly inferior to BOB and couldn't beat them. That's why they had to basically cheat (even if not violating EULA) by, infiltrating the corp and disassembling from the inside. Goons would of never been able to beat BOB in a normal war, and they know that too. If they thought for even a second they could win they wouldn't have destroyed BOB in one fell swoop with no shots fired. Why take away your biggest target if you think you can beat them? Because they knew they had zero chance.

CFC hasnt fought for anything.

You were handed that ****, do I have to go link it off you wiki AGAIN? Don't make me go back though my post history.

Don't say we. You are no Goon, you are a lowly pet. There was no we, Goons fought for it and took it. Your masters just threw you a bone as condolences for all the rug burns on your knees.

Also Goons give themselves more credit than they deserve. They were greatly inferior to BOB and couldn't beat them. That's why they had to basically cheat (even if not violating EULA) by, infiltrating the corp and disassembling from the inside. Goons would of never been able to beat BOB in a normal war, and they know that too. If they thought for even a second they could win they wouldn't have destroyed BOB in one fell swoop with no shots fired. Why take away your biggest target if you think you can beat them? Because they knew they had zero chance.

disbanding BoB only took away their sov 4 advantage and prevented them from jamming systems for a few weeks

I mean surely Omnipotence Itself didn't need that advantage right?????

we inherited like 20 tech moons from TCF after the merger

we took the other 50-60 tech moons we have

You speak the Goon mentality truly, in that they use their allies to further themselves. Allies like FA and TEST, nothing more than tools to be employed in the commision of a task, and then petted on the head and tossed a few scraps to keep you placated. A TEST member once said that the Goons and TEST were BFFs, but the reality is that Goons don't have friends. Goons watch out for Goons, no one else. When you have served your purpose, you will be tossed aside if you are lucky.

The Goons are BoB now, in every way short of name. History repeats itself again, and how much of that history being repeated is unknown to everyone but to CCP and Mittani. Why it has taken this long for anyone to come to the conclusion is beyond me. I'm sure that during their transitional period would have been a good time to strike out, but unfortunately I believe everyone involved with them had nothing but stars in their eyes. Now given the pure money situation along with their combat doctrine, it's likely that no one will ever be capable of dislodging them from their position.

Why though, does all of null sec expect the high sec players to come and save them? Are the null sec players not up to the task themselves? What does that say when such players disparage a group that they fully expect to come and do what they are either afraid to do, or are just unwilling?

Pretty easy when you sit on your laurels.

Only conflict you got involved in was on DRF's side, and you didn't to jack there either.

WN was Horus'd Raiden. was an inside job (or a Goon spy) neither or which could be claimed as a military victory. Oddly you never tried against NC. There were scraps, but othing real.

You zerged Raiden with what 180 dreads to kill a Titan, and lost half of that fleet. If you can't beat them join them right?

So what do you do against an allaince that doesn't really care about space? Its been proven repeatedly that -A- is dead, and couldn't possibly do anything. Yet here we are, the leader of the SoCo, by default. We don't play your game. Bring that ****.


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waving the hand as a (lol) "badposter"

Bring that ****.

i think the point the op was trying to make is that they've had it that long they're too well resourced/dug in/whatever.

which just makes me wonder why nobody tried to do any thing sooner?

How was Raiden. an inside job? and if you don't care about space why do you hold it? why were you planning to take fountain and cr if you 'dont want space'?

Pardon this comparison a bit as it may be slightly offensive to some but...

I see any good and active corp/alliance as a cancer: it keeps growing and growing if it's not challenged or kept in check. Only way to reduce it is to fight it head on. If it's grown as big and fat as Goon and allies then yeah, no one to blame but the passive onlookers.

Want to beat goons and take their space/moons/whatever? Start gritting away, isk by isk. They may brag their asses off about having unlimited funding, but that statement is not entirely true. Yeah, they may have funding beyond comprehension, but hey, that's the long road that you passive folks created yourselves. So start walking it.
Sure, the current mechanics may be far from ideal, and whilst I at least won't deny the hard work that must have been put into creating such a huge alliance, I also think that some aspects are too far on the "easy" road when it comes to managing such huge groups/controlling so much space.

As for the resources, I've said it before that the way resources work and are spread in the universe really could use a revamp. Again, that's just another one ingredient out of many which makes the nice cake that is called "unwillingness to venture to null-sec".

The way I see it, if CCP is capable of making a better cake that can improve traffic to null-sec, maybe then more people would eventually begin that long walk on that Goonie road.

Exellent Alliance Recruitment
-Those allainces can take in more and better corps due promising them isk every month. Why shouldnt join an allaince that reimburse all your losses freely, hands out free supers and payes you 10-20b a month for just being there...

Very Zen, but ineffective in the long run.

Ineffectiveness is just another word for lack of determination in EVE as far as I can tell. And here I thought that this game was supposed to be a sandbox where player determination can achieve anything through hard work. Like Goonies.

Raiden lost all of their SOV short of a few stations and like 2 systems when a founding corp took the rental income, and swapped SOV from rental holding corp to Rolling Thunder and bagged ass.


There was no military conquering there either, a bit of sadistic opportunism, but that's eve.

http://www.mmorpg.com/blogs/Teala/052012/23055_BOB-20-Did-employees-of-CCP-show-favoritism-to-a-Corporation-again

Is it any wonder that the CFC controls such a vast portion of northern nullspace?

CCP gave me a free hotdog once

You really think if we owned CCP we'd get them to intervene in a wardec? No free T2 bpos? No free titans? That and it involves a 10 minute petition response it would have been a nice troll but that makes it unbelievable.

3/10

I agreed with you up until you offered your solution. The correct solution in a sandbox game is to change the rules of the sandbox not to artificially inject things into the market for reasons of "stability" or "fairness". For the entire life of EVE there have been massive imbalances in the game mechanics. Perhaps the game mechanics can be balanced and iterated on in a way that makes things better and does not create another super imbalance like Tech did. The fact that Tech has not been balanced in 4? years simply blows my mind.

BETTER? Better in what way? why are massive imbalances a bad thing? I'm no goon fan boy, i don't think the cfc are anywhere near cool enough to run a tech empire, I'd far rather a group of suave brittish space pirates ran eve but that dosen't mean that the CFC having a monoploy is a bad thing....

Look this is eve, it's supposed to be a visceral, real world, why on earth would it be better if anyone and everyone could compete on an equal footing, build and sell whatever they like and make a profit? Why shouldn't some corps, some empires, take over certain markets, buy out the competition, control some resources? This is what we, the player base, are buying into, the kind of game where realistic market control are a possibility, the kind of game that encourages emergent gameplay.

It's a tired old catchphrase but it's something that holds true for me. I'd quit in an instant if ccp started manufacturing rules that ensured lazy lone pilots without the comitment to forge a giant solar empire could vie with huge corperations for their slice of the market. What should happen in a sandbox game, as in real life, is nothing, until a group of players more determined, and more resourceful, come along and tipploe the goons tech empire. THAT, and only that, is the only acceptable solution in a sandbox, anything else would be artificialy imposed and at the expense of our freedom as a playerbase.

Riiiight, cause my 250 man alliance stands a real good chance in a war for assets against the tens of thousnads of members of the CFC. Every time one of your gangs comes through we destroy it (in admittedly usually good fights), but I am not delusional enough to think we could even make a stand in a real war. You out number us 100 to 1, an some of us don't enjoy playing in TiDi.

Captain Fandango wants the Tech Empire to be run by the Super Adventure Club

Riiiight, cause my 250 man alliance stands a real good chance in a war for assets against the tens of thousnads of members of the CFC. Every time one of your gangs comes through we destroy it (in admittedly usually good fights), but I am not delusional enough to think we could even make a stand in a real war. You out number us 100 to 1, an some of us don't enjoy playing in TiDi.

Dont like tidi?
You should try a battle of cointoss then, as was the system before tidi.
Two groups enter, one group loads...
Victory.

Tidi is the best thing that happened to eve

They were greatly inferior to BOB and couldn't beat them. That's why they had to basically cheat (even if not violating EULA) by, infiltrating the corp and disassembling from the inside.

People are still mad over this? Using game mechanics isn't cheating.

Just throwing out that my alliance, with less than 100 real people behind the chars, held a dozen Tech moons for about six months.

You would be surprised at even what 50 good pilots can do to a region. I'm not going to fight a war on your terms or in Delve or whatever, ill bring it right to your doorstep and make you life miserable, you numbers or isk won't matter either. thats how you fight superior numbers IMO.

As a response to the general feeling of helplesness towards CFC: As far as my bad intel goes the CFC blob is merely fighting an other Blob so why don't the two other big blobs join if CFC is that strong, evil and what not? If they manage to fight that off than yes maybe something is wrong. But until than all i see is a failure at caring enough to do efforts.

Heh, you think goonswarm doesn't have good pilots.

For everyone here saying that CFC fought hard for their tech, you are speaking out their arse, only reason CFC holds tech is because they blued anyone who could threaten their monopolic position, Goons could easily beat Test in a straight up war and Test could certainly trump FA, only reason they still hold their tech moons is because they are too cowardly to fight anyone and would rather form a rofl-stomping coalition.

For everyone here saying that CFC fought hard for their tech, you are speaking out their arse, only reason CFC holds tech is because they blued anyone who could threaten their monopolic position, Goons could easily beat Test in a straight up war and Test could certainly trump FA, only reason they still hold their tech moons is because they are too cowardly to fight anyone and would rather form a rofl-stomping coalition.

why waste the isk having a war when you can blue up and make a monopoly?

why waste the isk having a war when you can blue up and make a monopoly?

For everyone here saying that CFC fought hard for their tech, you are speaking out their arse, only reason CFC holds tech is because they blued anyone who could threaten their monopolic position, Goons could easily beat Test in a straight up war and Test could certainly trump FA, only reason they still hold their tech moons is because they are too cowardly to fight anyone and would rather form a rofl-stomping coalition.

and no i'm not mad that you have friends, i'm just mad that 'friends' seem to coincide with all major tech holders.

You don't even have to be blue to do that, see O-Tech.

Weren't goons pretty small fry a few years back? Then they beat some guys called bob or something?

That and the fact we didn't infiltrate them. One of their own directors who had infiltrated us defected when he saw how much better life is in Goonswarm.

Sure, if by effort and risk/reward you mean sitting there like a lump, waiting for people to be vulnerable while their client freezes and blanks out during undock, so you can kill them without any chance of them fighting back. "Leet Highsec PVP" I guess, but it doesn't hold a candle to anything in Nullsec.

And how is this any different than what DoucheSwarm and their pets are doing to SoCo right now? All I have seen from Goons and their pets is bitching and moaning that they can't get SoCo to undock and fight. Why would they undock when as soon as they do you cyno in a fleet that is 5-6x the size of theirs?


As I have stated in other threads the Goons and their pets are utterly pathetic at PvP, and will run at the first sign of a fair fight. By fair fight I mean an incoming fleet that is half their size or more. You have been taking massive losses whenever you do actually decide to engage in a fight, and that only happens when SoCo chases a fleet halfway around the universe.

The most fighting I see out of Goons and their pets is forum warrioring. Is it some kind of rule that whenever the goons are mentioned in a thread that you all dog pile your asshattery into them?

Weren't goons pretty small fry a few years back? Then they beat some guys called bob or something?

Nah, must have imagined it. I'm sure goons were formed straight away with over 9,000 members and technetium spewing out of every orifice.

Years is a long time, they've been rather solid since TCF gave them Deklein. someone please shitpoast about how goon's didn't even have to seize their home systems by force.

You would be surprised at even what 50 good pilots can do to a region. I'm not going to fight a war on your terms or in Delve or whatever, ill bring it right to your doorstep and make you life miserable, you numbers or isk won't matter either. thats how you fight superior numbers IMO.

Yet another perk of treating your allies with genuine respect.

Hardly allies, TCF were like your ******* parents, you just inherited their house when they died.

Pubbies will never accept the fact that we beat BoB. It will always be infiltration, or accident or yada yada...

Not really sure why you consider this a bad thing.

You didn't earn it.

Beats being homeless doesn't it?

Edit: Can I pull myself up by your bootstraps, Charles?

I always saw myself as the figure who would unite the pubbies, and lead a glorious crusade 3 jumps into null before my fleet got a bout of cowardice and decided to return to their belts.

Well of course, this is GD don't you know, but in all honesty isn't that what you guys do in null? except you guys dock up the second a cloaky enters system. Nothing sillier than seeing a 100 Hulk operation halted by a single Tengu.

You didn't earn it.

You would be surprised at even what 50 good pilots can do to a region. I'm not going to fight a war on your terms or in Delve or whatever, ill bring it right to your doorstep and make you life miserable, you numbers or isk won't matter either. thats how you fight superior numbers IMO.

You would be surprised at even what 50 good pilots can do to a region. I'm not going to fight a war on your terms or in Delve or whatever, ill bring it right to your doorstep and make you life miserable, you numbers or isk won't matter either. thats how you fight superior numbers IMO.

I do agree. Tech should be a travelling resource. Make them scout out areas and scan moons, this will give CCP their deepest desire to increase hostile action.

We don't call them CCPswarm for nothing.

I do agree. Tech should be a travelling resource. Make them scout out areas and scan moons, this will give CCP their deepest desire to increase hostile action.

It's clear that the situation will never change without CCP action. In-game, it is about as likely to happen as Mittens admitting his membership in NAMBLA.

If only 10% of high sec dwellers were to form an alliance, they would likely out number even the largest null sec alliance by 7 to 1.

If one Alliance/Coalition having all the tech moons is such an "issue", then take it from them?

"But you can't fight extremely rich alliances despite the numerous examples of rich, powerful alliances being taken down by coalitions of less powerful ones!"

You can post on your Soco main. Getting kicked out of your alliance for showing your real face is probably the best thing that could happen to you right now.

An anonymous forum alt talking about bravery is pretty hilarious.

What makes you think we need forum alts?

Don't see how that's the CFC's fault then. So much hate for no reason

So jealousy isn't a reason? ;P

There is probably only two ways to get 10% to leave empire space, the carrot or the whip. Seeing how there is nothing that comes close to being a carrot, nothing is happening unless ccp nerf empire space to hell.

Well, you know, it's not like CCP just gave all the tech to the CFC. We fought for it, took it, and hold it.

Not our problem that we were good enough to do so, nor is it CCP's.

If you truly feel that you, no one, will ever be able to take enough to compete, you should probably unsubscribe, because we certainly are not going to stop defending it.

No you didn't... check with the older null players. Tech was put there after goons had the space

the mighty V I R I I corp makes us tremble in our sleep

The carrot is to lure players into a specific location.

The whip just drives players away from their current location but doesn't necessarily get them moving towards where the whip cracker wants them to go. That's the logical fallacy of the whip and why nerfing highsec is such a **** poor idea.

Make life in highsec so unbearable and several things will happen. Those players will either go to nullsec which is what you want, or they'll go to wormholes, or lowsec, or the most likely destination is to the account management page.

If you want players to leave highsec and go into other areas of space, try to come up with an alternate solution that doesn't involve mass unsubs.

Dominion (when CCP nerfed R64s and signaled the ascendancy of the Tech Era) was in late 2009.

Here's Verite's map for November 2009 (a month or so after the R64 Nerf/Tech Buff)

http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Verite/20091126.png

Goonswarm is down in Querius and Delve, nowhere near Tech.

Careful; youre bordering rumor there
also; they dissapeared from there, only to reappear where the tech moons ARE and IT took over the old area.

http://youtu.be/RhxV_VjtqkI

2:58
then reappear at the new location 3:38
Note that proof negates rumor, and that Im not saying theres any conspiracy, just that it happened.

Right, but they certainly weren't there before Tech was buffed, as the above poster claimed.
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Verite/20100203EE.png
The lost Sov Feb 3, 2010, 2 months after Dominion and the r64 nerf/Tech buff.

They didn't gain Sov in Dekklin until August 2010, 8 months after the r64 nerf/Tech buff.

8 months after != before.

As you say, proof negates rumor.


EDIT: Would be nice to have a list of all of Verite's maps. EvEfiles truncates at a couple hundred, and its search function works poorly for finding Verite's maps.

Right, but they certainly weren't there before Tech was buffed, as the above poster claimed.
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Verite/20100203EE.png
The lost Sov Feb 3, 2010, 2 months after Dominion and the r64 nerf/Tech buff.

They didn't gain Sov in Dekklin until August 2010, 8 months after the r64 nerf/Tech buff.

8 months after != before.

As you say, proof negates rumor.


EDIT: Would be nice to have a list of all of Verite's maps. EvEfiles truncates at a couple hundred, and its search function works poorly for finding Verite's maps.

EDIT: Would be nice to have a list of all of Verite's maps. EvEfiles truncates at a couple hundred, and its search function works poorly for finding Verite's maps.

again... as I said... I WASNT rumormongering as the above poster was. I dont like being banned

You can just change the date in the URLs.

http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Verite/20091126.png = november 26, 2009. Easy.

That's great if you have a date in mind, less great if you want to browse through occasional entries to find an event you had in mind.

It'll work, it's just kludgy.

I do believe they tried that.... and got hammered down when the wardec costs were (totally unasked for by the corp in question) changed.

What? So you all thought you could wardec GSF, have a hisec war and win tech moons?

What? So you all thought you could wardec GSF, have a hisec war and win tech moons?

Here is the thing, in any war you want allies.

The more allies you have the better chance of success. The Goons have shown that not only are they very at gathering allies but they are also very good at keeping those allies within the CFC happy.

From my own personal experience and of those people I know who have flown in both the North and South is that the Goon treat their allies, friends and renters fairly well where as the guys in the south treat there allies, friends and renters like ****.

As long as this continues the CFC will continue to grow and flourish where as others like Solar, -A- will stagnate and lose members.

Then the issue of numbers comes into the argument. Any chance this might have to do with CFC members actually wanting to fight for their allies without having to be told to fight like so many others.

Until the other coalitions learn that whilst you keep treating your allies, renters, friends like **** you will never be able to beat the CFC.

At the moment as much as it pains me to say this, currently the only way I can see the CFC losing is if they turn against each other which is very unlikely.

I can see the likes of Solar and -A- turning on each other long before the CFC do.

Riiiight, cause my 250 man alliance stands a real good chance in a war for assets against the tens of thousnads of members of the CFC. Every time one of your gangs comes through we destroy it (in admittedly usually good fights), but I am not delusional enough to think we could even make a stand in a real war. You out number us 100 to 1, an some of us don't enjoy playing in TiDi.

When all 0.0 will be in the hands of Goons, well, I wonder what will be the point to play at EvE :/

The sov system is a failure as many others game's mechanics.

I am pretty sure that you rate as a failure every mechanic in this game that doesn't help you gain an advantage over the rest of the players.