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NightmareX
Rebirth. THE GOD SQUAD
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Posted - 2012.07.13 11:22:00 -
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ry ry wrote:NightmareX wrote:The best PVPers are actually in empire. can only be a troll.
Care to give me a proof on why it's not the case?
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ry ry
Doctrine. FEARLESS.
101
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Posted - 2012.07.13 11:25:00 -
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NightmareX wrote:ry ry wrote:NightmareX wrote:The best PVPers are actually in empire. can only be a troll. Care to give me a proof on why it's not the case?
if you want to be autistic about it, you made the statement so the burden of proof is on you. Become FEARLESS. |

ArmyOfMe
Omniscient Order
95
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Posted - 2012.07.13 11:27:00 -
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NightmareX wrote:The best PVPers are actually in empire. And i do seem to recall you saying the best pvp'ers were in low sec back when you "where a pirate" (Though you never really did undock tbh) And got kicked out of tdg if i remember correctly.
Suleiman Shouaa> And you still think you're taking risks? NightmareX> I do. I take risks every day. But i do whatever i can to make sure i'm not ending up in a loss.
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NightmareX
Rebirth. THE GOD SQUAD
79
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Posted - 2012.07.13 11:29:00 -
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Gibbo3771 wrote:NightmareX wrote:Gibbo3771 wrote:Take it from someone who actually does real pvp.
You are **** m8 Just because you live in 0.0 space doesn't mean you do real PVP pal. And the amount of kills you have doesn't tell us anything about how good you are in a real PVP situation. The best PVPers are actually in empire. I dont live in 0.0 space, I live in a wh mate. You dont even know who VoC or Aquila is, for the exact same reason your "pvp" video sucks. We pvp in WH/nullsec, you grief in highsec. If you actually left your RR in highsec and went out to solo/small gang in hostile space where you cant dock, you might actually lose some ships and see what real risk is. NightmareX wrote:It seems that Verge of Collapse is somewhat butthurt of something when they are posting like crazy here and are crying here to Lol Crying? lol we merely love how highly you think of yourself yet you are terrible. If anything you are the one crying m8, you fail to see every ones argument/point and come back with the same old shite over and over again. So your rapid response is something similar to this. Quote:The best PVPers are actually in empire. You cant defend against every ones opinion because when EVERYONE is saying the same thing, the opinion becomes a fact. The fact being you are pretty lame and empire pvp as it is, is not pvp. Its griefing. In highsec its about who has the most RR combined with DPS. In lowsec its about who can lock the fastest. In 0.0 sov warfare its who has the most supercaps. What I do, what my corp does, what the real pvp'ers out there do is skillbased and they simply put, have more skill than your entire corp combined. However you will never see the real picture, people like you just don't understand and they never will.
To the first thing. You play the safe game without logistics. If you think you would lose a fight, you would not attack the enemies at all. And logistics is a part of the game in the same way as carriers is a part of the game. HTFU and live with it. Or deal with it.
Then to the next thing. I think highly of my self in the same way as you think you do pro PVP just because you are in a WH or 0.0 space. Now, care to give me 5 damn good reasons why you think you are better than us in PVP?
And then to the last thing. The fact that you think empire PVP is not PVP tells me that your a 0.0 space fanboi. We in empire do PVP, you in low sec / 0.0 space / WH space do PVP. I even do market PVP. So your argument about empire PVP is ridiculous and a proof of fanboism of 0.0 space.
Can you even give us any proofs on why 0.0 space pvpers are the best PVPers?
I'll guess not. |

NightmareX
Rebirth. THE GOD SQUAD
79
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Posted - 2012.07.13 11:33:00 -
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ry ry wrote:NightmareX wrote:ry ry wrote:NightmareX wrote:The best PVPers are actually in empire. can only be a troll. Care to give me a proof on why it's not the case? if you want to be autistic about it, you made the statement so the burden of proof is on you.
Your reason is not accepted. It was a very bad attemt to give me any proofs. |

Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
71
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Posted - 2012.07.13 11:34:00 -
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This has become a 10 page thread. Well played sir. |

NightmareX
Rebirth. THE GOD SQUAD
79
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Posted - 2012.07.13 11:36:00 -
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ArmyOfMe wrote:NightmareX wrote:The best PVPers are actually in empire. And i do seem to recall you saying the best pvp'ers were in low sec back when you "where a pirate" (Though you never really did undock tbh) And got kicked out of tdg if i remember correctly.
Hmmm, not sure what year you are living in, but we do for sure not lives in 2006-2007 anylonger.
We are in 2012 now. Welcome to 2012. |

Gibbo3771
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
137
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Posted - 2012.07.13 12:04:00 -
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To the first thing, you would do the exact same except when I decide to fight its under my terms and if I picked a bad fight or put myself in a bad situation, I pay for it. You do not, you simply deaggro and have all your buddies rep you.
I do not think I do pro PvP mate, I am just an average joe that gets fights, wins some loses some.
I can give you 5 reasons why I am better than you m8.
1. I dont hug stations/gates, I take the fight off the gate, off the station, at planets and or belts. Even random WH's that I never came from. 2. I use tactics and maneuvers to outwit my enemy and take advantage of them when I can, I will gladly dive into a fight 1vs15, exploiting whatever I can see. 3. I dont fly with logistics in every single fight I do 4. If I do fly with logistics they are at risk just as much as me, they are in our corp, they are with us in hostile space where they can not dock 5. I dont spend 5bil on a buffer fit vindicator, nuff said right here.
I shall rephrase what I said in terms of the highsec pvp is not real pvp when that is not true, it is still PvP because it is still player vs player. So I will change that argument to "empire pvp is riskless, boring pvp"
Quote:Can you even give us any proofs on why 0.0 space pvpers are the best PVPers?
Not a single part of my post suggested this at all, you seem extremely focused on who is the best pvp'er. Nullsec has risks, lowsec has risks. Highsec is just riskless pvp.
There is no such thing as the best pvp'ers, nullsec blobbers think they are great, lowsec blobbers think they are great, highsec griefers with neutral RR think they are great.
All these people that think they are great, are actually among the worse in the game.
I think of myself as the average solo/small gang pvper, I take losses, I fight the odds, I dont bring ECM or Logi to help me, hell I rarely ever use my link toon. Everytime you dont like my comments/posts the terrorists win and your a disgrace to your country. |

Prozacxx
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
78
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Posted - 2012.07.13 12:23:00 -
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Sometimes its p. risky in empire when u need to ditch all ur rr alts in a line to bail ur mains out to save ur face atleast a bit
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NightmareX
Rebirth. THE GOD SQUAD
79
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Posted - 2012.07.13 13:19:00 -
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Gibbo3771 wrote:To the first thing, you would do the exact same except when I decide to fight its under my terms and if I picked a bad fight or put myself in a bad situation, I pay for it. You do not, you simply deaggro and have all your buddies rep you. I do not think I do pro PvP mate, I am just an average joe that gets fights, wins some loses some. I can give you 5 reasons why I am better than you m8. 1. I dont hug stations/gates, I take the fight off the gate, off the station, at planets and or belts. Even random WH's that I never came from. 2. I use tactics and maneuvers to outwit my enemy and take advantage of them when I can, I will gladly dive into a fight 1vs15, exploiting whatever I can see. 3. I dont fly with logistics in every single fight I do 4. If I do fly with logistics they are at risk just as much as me, they are in our corp, they are with us in hostile space where they can not dock 5. I dont spend 5bil on a buffer fit vindicator, nuff said right here. I shall rephrase what I said in terms of the highsec pvp is not real pvp when that is not true, it is still PvP because it is still player vs player. So I will change that argument to "empire pvp is riskless, boring pvp" Quote:Can you even give us any proofs on why 0.0 space pvpers are the best PVPers? Not a single part of my post suggested this at all, you seem extremely focused on who is the best pvp'er. Nullsec has risks, lowsec has risks. Highsec is just riskless pvp. There is no such thing as the best pvp'ers, nullsec blobbers think they are great, lowsec blobbers think they are great, highsec griefers with neutral RR think they are great. All these people that think they are great, are actually among the worse in the game. I think of myself as the average solo/small gang pvper, I take losses, I fight the odds, I dont bring ECM or Logi to help me, hell I rarely ever use my link toon.
To the first part of your post.
1. Most of the fights in 0.0 space happens at stations and gates to, so care to give us proofs that your not fighting at any of those places? 2. You use maneuvers to outwit your enemy to take advantage of that. Yeah like controlling range that is risk free PVP to. As long you keep distance, there is no chances of dying.
This is the same as us in empire. We don't use maneuvers to outwit our enemies, we use better setups / ships and we use logistics. It can be low risk sometimes, but that's until your logis get jammed or neuted to death. Our logistics is our advantage of winning fights for the most part. As you maneuvers is your way of winning a fight.
Both types of PVP can be full of risks and can be risk free to.
3. But you use fast ships / nano ships instead of logistics. We use alot of Battleships that isn't really much manuverable. We don't use alot of active reps either (sometimes we do). So our logistics is our key to win fights.
Remember there is tons of different ways to do PVP and everyone have their ways of winning fights. If you can call logistics for a bad thing to use, then i can call nanofaggotry or controlling distance to be a bad thing to.
4. Yeah, our logistics are also always at risks because you know, they can get jammed. Does it really matter if the logistics are in our corp / alliance instead of being neutral?
They will do the same thing no matter where they are and they are as much killable as neutrals as if they was in corp / alliance.
5. That's because you're cheap. The more expensive a ship is, the more fun and thrilling it is to use it in PVP.
Ofc you can get alot of action with cheap ships to, but that action is nothing compared to the action you get by using an expensive pirate / faction ship.
If empire PVP is risk free, then 0.0 space is risk free to. Specially when you consider that most big alliances are bluing up alot of others. And nanogangs are also risk free if you can keep distance. There is alot of things in 0.0 space that is risk free.
Then to the next things you say. You say this: Nullsec has risks, lowsec has risks. Highsec is just riskless pvp.
Considering that this is coming for a 0.0 space fanboi, i don't take your answer seriously at all. Every part of the galaxy in EVE has risks.
And didn't you know that Jita is the biggets PVP ground in EVE?
There is a buttload of lost ships in that system.
Now, i'm not saying anything about that i'm good. I'm saying that we Rebirth. as a team together is a force no one should mess with. Because we knows really well how to PVP in team against many others. Why do you think we are so successfull at what we are doing?
How do you think the alliance 'Double Tap' got friends with us?
Ok, let me tell you a story. The alliance 'Moar Tears' had hired in 'Double Tap' to kill us. Double Tap is a bigger force than we in Rebirth is by quite alot. So 'Moar Tears' was pretty sure they had us now.
But oh boy, they was wrong. Double Tap did bring in a pretty big Battleship gang with quite alot of pirate and faction battleships and logistics. But even then, we had enough ships and logistics + ECM that we actually raped the 'Double Tap' fleet with minimal with losses (we had about 3 or 4 losses). I think they had about 15-17 battleships and stuffs while we had around 10 Battleships (gonna see if i find the Battlereport from that fight).
We did the fight and we won that fight rather easy, because Double Tap did underrate us quite alot.
When the fight was over, they had lost about 5-6 pirate / faction battleships + some other normal battleships to us. They had about 10-13 losses to us before they did realize that we actually are pretty damn good at what we are doing.
Will continue on next reply............ |
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ry ry
Doctrine. FEARLESS.
101
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Posted - 2012.07.13 13:25:00 -
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NightmareX wrote:Will continue on next reply............ No, that's okay. you have proven your point beyond a shadow of a doubt.
You are the best PVPer in Eve, GOD SQUAD are the single greatest fighting force ever assembled. Become FEARLESS. |

Reppyk
The Black Shell
140
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Posted - 2012.07.13 13:27:00 -
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Hum.
Good points : - excellent editing - I laughed a bit when Cuckoo lost his keres 
Bad points : - everything else, including watching that terrible video and you crying all over the place. |

NightmareX
Rebirth. THE GOD SQUAD
79
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Posted - 2012.07.13 13:27:00 -
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So today, we are working together with Double Tap and Double Tap ditched Moar Tears and got enemies to Moar Tears because they aren't really good compared to us.
So when i say that we ARE great, then we are great at what we are doing.
Then to the last thing you say.
Alright, then we can say that 0.0 space players are good at PVP, then why shouldn't we in empire be good at PVP then?
If 0.0 space isn't risk free, then why are empire risk free then?
Just because we have station and gates in empire (like you do have in 0.0 space to), it doesn't mean everything is risk free here.
ry ry wrote:NightmareX wrote:Will continue on next reply............ No, that's okay. you have proven your point beyond a shadow of a doubt. I've not even read your post, but with that many words there must be some pretty compelling evidence. You are the best PVPer in Eve, GOD SQUAD are the single greatest fighting force ever assembled. Now, i would like to hire you to engage and kill my enemies. how can i do this?
I'm not talking about being good at PVP in the whole EVE, i'm talking about that we in Rebirth are extremely good at what we are doing together as a team in empire. It's called PVP.
You can talk with Kai86 about merc works. |

Arian Mistacce
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.07.13 13:28:00 -
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NightmareX wrote:ry ry wrote:NightmareX wrote:The best PVPers are actually in empire. can only be a troll. Care to give me a proof on why it's not the case? Maybe look at the Alliance Tournament? That'd seem to fit your definition of PvP, by having equal numbers (no blobs) and severely restricting kiting. Plus, it eliminates crutches like stations and ridiculous numbers of Logi.
And lets look at the group stage:
Group A has Choke Point. They look to do some highsec stuff. Everyone else in the group is null though.
Group B/C/D has a mix of Null/Low/WHs. No-one seems to do highsec.
Groups E/F/G/H has RvB. Everyone else is null/Low/WHs.
So, if all the best PvPers are in highsec, and highsec is ~60% of the game, why are they only one sixteenth of the Alliance Tournament, which seems perfectly designed for highsec players to show off their leet PvP skills?
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NightmareX
Rebirth. THE GOD SQUAD
79
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Posted - 2012.07.13 13:32:00 -
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Arian Mistacce wrote:NightmareX wrote:ry ry wrote:NightmareX wrote:The best PVPers are actually in empire. can only be a troll. Care to give me a proof on why it's not the case? Maybe look at the Alliance Tournament? That'd seem to fit your definition of PvP, by having equal numbers (no blobs) and severely restricting kiting. Plus, it eliminates crutches like stations and ridiculous numbers of Logi. And lets look at the group stage: Group A has Choke Point. They look to do some highsec stuff. Everyone else in the group is null though. Group B/C/D has a mix of Null/Low/WHs. No-one seems to do highsec. Groups E/F/G/H has RvB. Everyone else is null/Low/WHs. So, if all the best PvPers are in highsec, and highsec is ~60% of the game, why are they only one sixteenth of the Alliance Tournament, which seems perfectly designed for highsec players to show off their leet PvP skills?
It seems to me that you take everyone in empire to be best in PVP when i say that the best PVPers comes from empire. I'm only talking about some few PVPers here. |

Gibbo3771
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
138
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Posted - 2012.07.13 13:50:00 -
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Im not even going to read that post but I presume an TL;DR something along the lines of "empire pvp has risks, nullsec fanboi your crap im better than you."
You are so blind and stupid that i actually feel pity for you. Everytime you dont like my comments/posts the terrorists win and your a disgrace to your country. |

Prozacxx
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
79
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Posted - 2012.07.13 13:59:00 -
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No idea y u all argue with a troll like nightmarex he even said it himself its ******** lol |

NightmareX
Rebirth. THE GOD SQUAD
79
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Posted - 2012.07.13 14:12:00 -
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Gibbo3771 wrote:Im not even going to read that post but I presume an TL;DR something along the lines of "empire pvp has risks, nullsec fanboi your crap im better than you."
You are so blind and stupid that i actually feel pity for you.
EDIT: Read it a little
However your second point really pisses me off. If you think zipping around at 2.5km/s 30km from a 15 man gang is riskless, you are pretty damn ********. Its not Jita, in nullsec if your engaging a solo drake on the gate, the other 30 people in local can actually shoot you.
You seem to think that nano tactics = risk free, it might be risk free if its in highsec as you can see who your enemy is and knowing that you are safe as long as tht single enemy stays away.
In nullsec, i you engage 1 out of the 50 people hugging the station, the rest are going to retaliate.
You really need to listen to how stupid you sound m8
Not sure where you get it that i'm saying we are doing better PVP in empire over 0.0 space?
I'm saying that we Rebirth. are very good at what we are doing.
I'm also pretty sure that i said that every part of the EVE galaxy has risk in my earlier post longer up. But you insist that empire PVP has no risks witch is wrong.
You guts are living in a fantasy world just because you hate empire. I hate 0.0 space because of the blobbing andbecause it's only about who have the biggest blob for the most part. But i still know that there is risks there, but there is also things that are risk free as it can be in empire to.
I have even said this longer up.
LOL, you guys normally have logistics in a AHAC gang, so when you get shot, you just spams for rep and keep holding distance. What's so hard with that?
Oh noes, you can get shot, but that's not the point. The point is that you have no risks as long as you use logistics in a AHAC gang and as long you keep holding distance. That's my point.
If nano tactics are risk free in empire, why isn't it risk free in 0.0 space then?
If we in empire can do risk free nano gags by just holding distance and spams for reps, then it's any different in 0.0 space, because as long you keep distance there to and keeps spamming for reps, then it's still risk free to.
So, i really want to have an explanation on why things in 0.0 space are risky while the same things in empire is risk free?
Prozacxx wrote:No idea y u all argue with a troll like nightmarex he even said it himself its ******** lol
Aww boo, want a hug or kiss? |

Vellamo Lyr
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
7
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Posted - 2012.07.13 14:16:00 -
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Abloo abloo, highsec pvp warriors (lmao) arguing it's not risk-free.
Say that to people who pvp in low sec or better yet roam around with 5 people in 0.0
Hanging around a station with logis on your back is NOT clutch or skill-intensive. |

NightmareX
Rebirth. THE GOD SQUAD
79
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Posted - 2012.07.13 14:17:00 -
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Vellamo Lyr wrote:Abloo abloo, highsec pvp warriors (lmao) arguing it's not risk-free.
Say that to people who pvp in low sec or better yet roam around with 5 people in 0.0
Hanging around a station with logis on your back is NOT clutch or skill-intensive.
Says the player who are in an alliance that use a big blobs of carriers in fights 
I think you should stop making fool of your self with the use of logistics in empire when you are using the same tactics by using carriers. |
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pjd83
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.07.13 14:18:00 -
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NightmareX wrote:
I even do market PVP.
What the hell is "market PVP"? Is that like undercutting someone by 0.01 ISK?
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NightmareX
Rebirth. THE GOD SQUAD
79
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Posted - 2012.07.13 14:20:00 -
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pjd83 wrote:NightmareX wrote:
I even do market PVP.
What the hell is "market PVP"? Is that like undercutting someone by 0.01 ISK?
Are you new to EVE?
If that's the case, then welcome to EVE. |

ry ry
Doctrine. FEARLESS.
102
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Posted - 2012.07.13 14:29:00 -
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NightmareX wrote: I'm not talking about being good at PVP in the whole EVE, i'm talking about that we in Rebirth are extremely good at what we are doing together as a team in empire. It's called PVP.
You can talk with Kai86 about merc works.
i cannot talk to Kai86 anymore sadly due to a him blocking us all.
I would like to broker this through you, as you are by far the least incoherent member of GODSQUAD. Become FEARLESS. |

Bob Bobertson Aivoras
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.07.13 14:29:00 -
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Fantastic Video. Thoroughly enjoyable.
I love PVP like that but haven't had much lately.
Are you guys recruiting? I'd love to be able to fly with expert PVPers like you guys and get my skills up to the standard you have in the video.
Are you making more videos? I hope so. Can you do tutorials? Please? |

ry ry
Doctrine. FEARLESS.
102
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Posted - 2012.07.13 14:30:00 -
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Bob Bobertson Aivoras wrote:Fantastic Video. Thoroughly enjoyable.
I love PVP like that but haven't had much lately.
Are you guys recruiting? I'd love to be able to fly with expert PVPers like you guys and get my skills up to the standard you have in the video.
Are you making more videos? I hope so. Can you do tutorials? Please? its is strange
how much your posting
looks like nightmareXs Become FEARLESS. |

Bob Bobertson Aivoras
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.07.13 14:36:00 -
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They fight at 13 minutes in was the best I thought. Its on Jita!!!
Jita 4-4 is THE best place in EVE for fighting due to the station grid being a 3x6y style grid rather than the standard 1x9c grid that is used on stations meaning that the rangefinders are smaller for the distance (km) adjusts. As a result, keeping speed at 0ms is the best for the 3x6y grids.
Totally aweseme fight.
Are you recruiting? |

kyrieee
Doctrine. FEARLESS.
37
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Posted - 2012.07.13 14:38:00 -
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The things about EVE PvP that take skill are things like positioning, manual piloting, situational awareness, heat management (which one of our members can attest to), good target calling etc. When you sit in dock range of station in 300k EHP Battleships most of the stuff I mentioned simply doesn't matter. You barely have to move and things happen so slowly that any scrub will have time to react. The type of PvP you do barely requires any player input at all, there is nothing to be good at. |

ry ry
Doctrine. FEARLESS.
102
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Posted - 2012.07.13 14:42:00 -
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kyrieee wrote:The things about EVE PvP that take skill are things like positioning, manual piloting, situational awareness, heat management (which one of our members can attest to), good target calling etc. When you sit in dock range of station in 300k EHP Battleships most of the stuff I mentioned simply doesn't matter. You barely have to move and things happen so slowly that any scrub will have time to react. The type of PvP you do barely requires any player input at all, there is nothing to be good at. M8. did you forget about 3x6y grids or something?
i also find it amusing that a member od GODSQUAD is using a neutral alt tohelp him out in this thread. Become FEARLESS. |

Jafit
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
269
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Posted - 2012.07.13 14:43:00 -
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Today I learned that fighting in buffer tanked faction BSes inside docking of a station is the most skillful form of PvP
I'm going to be taking PvP to the next level, I shall PvP from INSIDE a station.
I'll make a video too, you can watch as my spin counter increases faster than someone else's. It'll probably be more entertaining than the OP's video. |

NightmareX
Rebirth. THE GOD SQUAD
79
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Posted - 2012.07.13 14:47:00 -
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kyrieee wrote:The things about EVE PvP that take skill are things like positioning, manual piloting, situational awareness, heat management (which one of our members can attest to), good target calling etc. When you sit in dock range of station in 300k EHP Battleships most of the stuff I mentioned simply doesn't matter. You barely have to move and things happen so slowly that any scrub will have time to react. The type of PvP you do barely requires any player input at all, there is nothing to be good at.
Have you heard about aggression timer?
When you attack someone, you have to wait 1 minute before you can dock.
It's risky. And it's also risky that the logistics can get jammed.
So say whatever you like, but it's as risky in empire as it is in 0.0 space.
Now you will probably say again that nano gangs are risky. But how is it risky when you can just MWD away and warp out if it doesn't go your way?
That's even more risk free than waiting 1 minute on a station before you can dock.
Jafit wrote:Today I learned that fighting in buffer tanked faction BSes inside docking of a station is the most skillful form of PvP
I'm going to be taking PvP to the next level, I shall PvP from INSIDE a station.
I'll make a video too, you can watch as my spin counter increases faster than someone else's. It'll probably be more entertaining than the OP's video.
It's also more thrilling to spin ships than watching capital blobbing in 0.0 space. And watching who have the biggest blob. |
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