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Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.05.29 21:01:00 - [61] Originally by: Zuretul He just pulled off the LP income from his tiny little head and then started the crusade in the forums. You have proof of this, I take it? Especially since what he quotes isn't out of the ordinary or particularly spectacular. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Zuretul Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.29 21:07:00 - [62] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Zuretul He just pulled off the LP income from his tiny little head and then started the crusade in the forums. You have proof of this, I take it? Especially since what he quotes isn't out of the ordinary or particularly spectacular. Go his original tread, pull of his 'stats' to excel and see how there isn't anything to back up his imaginary LP income.
Newsflash Gallente NorthUnited	Posted - 2010.05.29 21:08:00 - [63] signed
MrRobot Amarr Universal Robotics Company	Posted - 2010.05.29 21:13:00 - [64] I have done a few highsec lvl 5 missions myself. And I freely admit that they were way to lucrative. On the other side I knew that it will end some day and took the chance while it lasted However I feel that CCP will hit by subscribers exiting the game with this expansion. This is opposed to the boost in subscriber numbers which normally come along with a new expansion. And in the end this can't be good for anyone playing this game, carebear or not...
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.05.29 21:15:00 - [65] Originally by: Zuretul Go his original tread, pull of his 'stats' to excel and see how there isn't anything to back up his imaginary LP income. You mean apart from how it matches what you get from running those missions? ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Ogwyn	Posted - 2010.05.29 21:26:00 - [66] Originally by: Missm Uppet Originally by: Flipout what did they change in regards to missions? The damsel no longer takes her clothes off for you when rescued from kruul. I¦ve rescued the damsel 4 times and have come to this conclusion: If the slapper wants to be a stripper, then let her be a stripper. I for one, will no longer be attempting the rescue of said fallen Jezabelle.
Wet Ferret	Posted - 2010.05.29 21:30:00 - [67] Originally by: Kerfira Originally by: Wet Ferret Originally by: Kerfira L5's were intended to be run in low-sec by a group of players so they could both finish the mission, and also work together to defend themselves if attacked. No they weren't. They were meant to be more challenging but not to be run any specific way or in a specific place. If you look at what CCP said at the time, there was a reason the agents were in low-sec.... These missions were INTENDED (look on the forum/blogs when they were introduced) to be low-sec, and to be run by groups who could both do the missions as well as defend against attackers. Your revisionist history doesn't change that! If their intentions were for level 5s to be exclusively low-sec then they would have coded them that way. Not some of the time, not most of the time, but all of the time. If they were intended to be run in groups fit to defend against PvP attacks they wouldn't be soloable in nighthawks and dual boxed by any other number of ship combinations (that may have been their vision, but I think they knew it wasn't going to work out that way). But for the record, I only changed my sig because I was annoying myself with the last one.
Umega Solis Mensa	Posted - 2010.05.29 21:35:00 - [68] Pathetic. I would like any, all, whomever mission runner to explain to me.. where the 'fun' was lost in this expansion? Missions weren't really changed. They still do the same old crap. So.. I'm confused, where exactly did the fun go? Oh.. you mean the part about MAYBE having to risk your precious ships in lowsec? Damn.. that's something. Thing about MMOs.. people that solo, tend to last a year tops alone before quiting. And they don't really aquire or get very much, especially compared to those that work in groups. God forbid instead of whining to CCP to fix your OWN problem.. you guys could work together and clear out a lowsec spot then run missions together through it.. oh, and at increased LP gains too. Oh.. and you might actually like a human challange instead of predictable binary. And you might like the adrenline rush with the dash of lose.. its called entertainment, Fun. Cause its sooooooo much better to make a ton of isk to spend on the best pieces of gear to do the same old crap you could before, only slightly faster, yay! AWESOME. ---------------------------------------- -Treat the EVE Market like you're a pimp and it is your 'employee'.. freely fondle it as you wish and make it pay you for it-
DeMont Cruiser	Posted - 2010.05.29 21:58:00 - [69] Bump Pirates, lol. You don't dare go into FW systems or into 0.0 Alliance controlled systems because you all know you'll get your arse handed to you in metal scraps. Funny how this game is being advertised as being a multi style played game, supposed to be able to choose if you want to do PvE, or PvP, or a combo of both. Not be forced to play a certain way. CCP had better watch out, some 'Eye of the Tiger' Lawyer and client could end up owning stock in this company, or just plain outright own the company.
Ildryn The Inf1dels En Garde	Posted - 2010.05.30 00:24:00 - [70] CCP is not forcing anyone to play a certain way. They are simply making the more profitable way have more risk. Risk vs reward. HTFU!

Asuri Kinnes Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2010.05.30 02:12:00 - [71] Supported. Won't happen, but by supporting this thread, maybe I can pvp some people from work. Please re-size your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist
Mr Kidd	Posted - 2010.05.30 03:34:00 - [72] Originally by: Kerfira How on earth do you get to that figure??? The income of a mission runner in Caldari space distributes something like this (not counting implants from storyline missions): Bounties: 28% Rewards: 8% LP: 30% Salvage: 12% Loot: 21% I'm not going to argue the percentages. Admittedly mine are guestimated. But according to yours it's 33%. 33% or 40%, one third or about one third. Really, in any study it's significant, is it not? On the other hand, having not seen these statics you present, are we talking looting salvaging everything or only the large wrecks? There is a time component here to consider. Being a ninja looter I can tell you with 100% certainty that looting and salvaging everything you've gone beyond the diminishing returns in earning potential. You're spending more time for less earnings essentially. I refined my lootings/salvaging over months and at each refinement up to the point I looted and salvaged large wrecks and then only specific loot I noticed that my income increased for a given amount of time. So therefore, my guestimated loss of income may well legitimately be higher than yours, then again it may not. But anyway you look at it you've lost a significant amount of income. If you require a scientific analysis from me, you won't get. I can't replicate it under current game conditions.
Othnark Minmatar Evolution IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.30 04:17:00 - [73] Please adapt, there are still may lucrative opportunities for mission runners...
Zuretul Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.30 08:12:00 - [74] How on earth do you get to that figure??? The income of a mission runner in Caldari space distributes something like this (not counting implants from storyline missions): Bounties: 42% Rewards: 2% LP: 13% Salvage: 12% Loot: 31%
Titas Agor TITANS OF PEACE	Posted - 2010.05.30 08:19:00 - [75] /signed i could go into a big ass discussion, but it would only fuel the pvp orientated players to take this petition off topic. This is a totally un-acceptible change and would have done a hell of a lot more about it after testing the PI stuff on the test server if i had known about it as well as the mess they've added with the contacts. Several accounts hanging on a thin thread for me right now sure as hell ruined a lot of fun for me personally.
Aviator Girl	Posted - 2010.05.30 08:36:00 - [76] As a mission runner i can honestly say this change has done nothing to stop me running lvl 4's and barely affects my overall income. I will continue to safely earn isk for my next faction BS thank you very much.
Bob McVities Caldari Defiant Delerium	Posted - 2010.05.30 08:42:00 - [77] /signed
Lorina Valkrym	Posted - 2010.05.30 08:44:00 - [78] pretty ticked off... /Signed
Commander Deb Caldari Girls With Gunz	Posted - 2010.05.30 08:47:00 - [79] Doesn't affect me all that much personally, but its crap to a lot of players imo /signed
Kerfira The Scope	Posted - 2010.05.30 08:56:00 - [80] Originally by: Mr Kidd Originally by: Kerfira How on earth do you get to that figure??? The income of a mission runner in Caldari space distributes something like this (not counting implants from storyline missions): Bounties: 28% Rewards: 8% LP: 30% Salvage: 12% Loot: 21% I'm not going to argue the percentages. Admittedly mine are guestimated. But according to yours it's 33%. 33% or 40%, one third or about one third. Really, in any study it's significant, is it not? How do you now get to 33% from my numbers? The SALVAGE is not touched in this expansion at all! Those 12% would stay the same. The loot seems (I've only run 5 missions since Wednesday) to have been reduced by about 1/3rd at the most. A third of 21% is 7%. Even if you didn't earn a single ISK from LP, loot would still only be around 1.5 times what it is above, or ~30%. In that case, then the 1/3rd reduction would still only be about a 10% reduction of the total! It simply CAN'T be more than a maximum of 10% of the total, even if you give all your LP away! Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.

Mr Kidd	Posted - 2010.05.30 11:53:00 - [81] I looked at post 48 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1272040&page=2#48 not much there to read and I'm not going to read that entire thread. How I get 33% is taking the 21% in loot and the 12% in salvage. See, the medium and small wrecks were pointless to loot salvage to begin with when compared to large wrecks from a ninja looting/salvaging point of view. And thats true for l4 missioners who can do missions in a relatively acceptable time frame but not quite able to blitz. And now since large wreck loot is nerfed neither is large salvage worth making a second trip for. As a mission running you'll make better earnings now if you just continue on to the next mission. That is unless it's taking you several hours to complete the missions. In that case then looting and salvaging everything will give you your highest mission earnings. You missioners only lost 33 - 40% of your income, I on the other hand lost 80% of my income since all I looted and salvaged were the large wrecks.
Kerfira The Scope	Posted - 2010.05.30 12:03:00 - [82] Edited by: Kerfira on 30/05/2010 12:04:33 Originally by: Mr Kidd Weirdness.... Your kind of math puzzles me.... and would puzzle anyone with even limited knowledge of real math... You're blaming CCP for you being in a hussy fit and 'punishing' CCP by not taking the goodly amounts of salvage and loot still there... For the same amount of work you get around 1/3rd less loot, and the same amount of salvage... For your information, that is not 80% (I would suggest you stop talking math until you get to 8th grade at least)... If you take several hours doing L4 missions (with the possible exception of the extravaganzas), you shouldn't be doing them! You'll earn more doing L3's.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.05.30 12:52:00 - [83] Originally by: Kerfira Your kind of math puzzles me.... and would puzzle anyone with even limited knowledge of real math... [à] For the same amount of work you get around 1/3rd less loot, and the same amount of salvage... For your information, that is not 80% (I would suggest you stop talking math until you get to 8th grade at least) What's puzzling you is the missing tidbit that he doesn't actually get any bounties, LP, or mission rewards, since he's a ninja-looter/salvager. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Troll o'Ninetails	Posted - 2010.05.30 13:45:00 - [84] Problem easly solved. Just do what I did. Stop running missions I have 1 char on kronos, one on paladin and one on golem. It may feel like a complete waste to me right now to have said maruders skilled now that maruders are the ship affected mostly by this change. But however you can simply quit running missions. Transfering my chars onto two accounts and cancelling the others, missions was good while it lasted. Now its time to live off the reserves buildt up while running missions. X ♥ VOTE TROLL ♥
Kerfira The Scope	Posted - 2010.05.30 15:58:00 - [85] Edited by: Kerfira on 30/05/2010 15:58:37 Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Kerfira Your kind of math puzzles me.... and would puzzle anyone with even limited knowledge of real math... [à] For the same amount of work you get around 1/3rd less loot, and the same amount of salvage... For your information, that is not 80% (I would suggest you stop talking math until you get to 8th grade at least) What's puzzling you is the missing tidbit that he doesn't actually get any bounties, LP, or mission rewards, since he's a ninja-looter/salvager. Then he's changed his argument completely around since this is the original argument of his I responded to! Originally by: Mr Kidd CCP has effectively increased grinding approximately 40% for the 90% of missioners who can't blitz effectively. Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Auto Trader	Posted - 2010.05.30 16:20:00 - [86] Edited by: Auto Trader on 30/05/2010 16:21:07 If some people wishes to play all alone than thats their business , for pvper who want to play gang bang then thats their business too . Everyone was resonably happy before this expansion , might need a little tweak here and there but all was all happy-dory. As for me, My name says it all, makes no different to me, still vote for keeping the way some of the eve experient as they were . . . Dont get me wrong Im all for future advancement for better world for us all
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.05.30 17:22:00 - [87] Not signed. I am still inventing my marauder (one day I'll get lucky!) and then flying it. Caught by all the drama I wanted to see with my eyes and tried some missions and exactly at the same 0.5 sec hi Q agent with 150 in local and I have yet to be sent to low sec. Yesterday, after 6 months, I bothered getting out with the Hulk to see how it feels mining with a maxed miner in maxed Hulk with max skills and finally stop mining 50% worse than my missioneer chars did. - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Goose99	Posted - 2010.05.30 17:33:00 - [88] Edited by: Goose99 on 30/05/2010 17:34:10 Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Not signed. I am still inventing my marauder (one day I'll get lucky!) and then flying it. Caught by all the drama I wanted to see with my eyes and tried some missions and exactly at the same 0.5 sec hi Q agent with 150 in local and I have yet to be sent to low sec. Yesterday, after 6 months, I bothered getting out with the Hulk to see how it feels mining with a maxed miner in maxed Hulk with max skills and finally stop mining 50% worse than my missioneer chars did. There are 0.5 systems like Scheenins with high quality agents that are not direct neighbors to lowsec. Those tend to be for non-mainstream npc corps at out-of-the-way places.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.05.30 18:39:00 - [89] Originally by: Goose99 There are 0.5 systems like Scheenins with high quality agents that are not direct neighbors to lowsec. Those tend to be for non-mainstream npc corps at out-of-the-way places. àor with the best-quality agent in highsec, employing for one of the more popular NPC corps very close to Jita and the Jita-Amarr pipeline. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Ildryn The Inf1dels En Garde	Posted - 2010.05.30 19:06:00 - [90] Originally by: beautyispain /signed and tired of non-missionrunners trolling about this. Those changes suck beyond belief and are obviously the result of CCP staff's own opinion of missionrunners and highsec carebears. Says the alt who has no mission experience. Stfu troll



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