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Donny Maurasi	Posted - 2010.06.01 15:13:00 - [181] +1 Rep to CCP for best greifing..
Lone Provider	Posted - 2010.06.01 15:25:00 - [182] Edited by: Lone Provider on 01/06/2010 15:27:41 Originally by: Natalie Caladan Edited by: Natalie Caladan on 01/06/2010 15:02:38 Well if CCP wants people in lowsec they should try something different than sending missionrunners to it. The only effect is that people will all go to central highsec L4 hubs >5 jumps from lowsec, effectually putting MORE strain on local hubs, as you can read here. Thus having the reversed effect than intended. And why do they want people in lowsec anyway? The difficuly way (for CCP) would be making missions far more challenging and PvP like. Like fewer, smarter, stronger NPCs that need teams, cooperation and PvPesque techniques and builds to succeed. Whether you agree with it or not, this CCP move clearly hasn't the intended result. NO! It has nothing to do with getting players into low-sec, The Nerf was to take pressure off systems and spread missions about into less crowded systems, which ever type, hi or low The answer for CCP, USE SOME OF THE MONTHLY úMILLIONS YOU RAKE IN FROM THE SUBSCRIBERS AND UPGRADE YOUR SERVER
Entgo Ditumi	Posted - 2010.06.01 16:09:00 - [183] Originally by: Tippia Edited by: Tippia on 29/05/2010 17:12:37 Originally by: Dungheap what's your source for those % ? He (and others) have collected them over a long period of time. Dig a couple of pages down through this subforum or go to eve-search to have a look at the various L4 statistics threads. Originally by: Goose99 This is false. Prove it. He has actual data on his side; you have nothing. ... omfg. The point is that even if these percentages are accurate, they will change with the agent quality, pirate faction, and skils/techniques of the the pilot running the mission. This isn't something that needs to be proven with "actual data." It's just commonsense.
Mr Kidd	Posted - 2010.06.01 16:21:00 - [184] Edited by: Mr Kidd on 01/06/2010 16:26:14 Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Quote: Ok let me spell it out for those of you who don't get it. As a ninja looter salvager I've lost 80% of my income because most of the mission loot salvage values are in the large wrecks. Excuse me, 95% of the ninjas that (try to) take my stuff are exclusively after the salvage (cheaper and quicker ship to use, don't become shootable and so on). Now, I am doing L4 left and right but I did not notice ANY change in the salvage. So, what did you exactly lose? What the huge majority of ninjas don't even bother to take? You're hopeless. But I'll spell it out again. Yes I started salvaging as a ninja. And that was great. Then I realized a significant portion of the value in missions is in loot. So I looted and salvaged. Tweaking my techiques and what I went after (large wrecks, specific items) my income skyrocketed. 8mos and a 6 fold increase in income over salvaging only I'm screwed. Now that large wreck loot is nerfed it effectively makes ninjaing looting and salvaging worthless to me and anyone else with a clue. Thats a 80% loss of my income. Why would I be content to have an income I had 8mos ago? Would you? No. So STFU. Could I limit my loss and still ninja. Sure. But only an idiot loses the larger percentage of their overall income and continues doing the same damn thing. For Christ's sake use some common sense will you? If by chance you've never ninja looted salvaged then quit talking out of your ass like you know something.
SlingenLead	Posted - 2010.06.01 17:18:00 - [185] CCP doing this is total BS.. Enough said..
Captain Pompous Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It	Posted - 2010.06.01 17:19:00 - [186] This is not a petition. This is a thread full of whiny inbreds, mouthbreathing their way to apoplectic rage! --- ☻♥ Problem? Therapy sessions ♥☻
Goose99	Posted - 2010.06.01 17:21:00 - [187] Originally by: Captain Pompous This is not a petition. This is a thread full of whiny inbreds, mouthbreathing their way to apoplectic rage! And additional whiny inbreds whinning about all the whine.
triafrenum	Posted - 2010.06.01 17:29:00 - [188] Can I have your stuff?
Dzajic Gallente Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2010.06.01 17:55:00 - [189] By the way, has there been any clarification from CCP were they even trying to nerf Level 4's or its just collateral damage?
Lone Provider	Posted - 2010.06.01 18:01:00 - [190] Originally by: Captain Pompous This is not a petition. This is a thread full of whiny inbreds, mouthbreathing their way to apoplectic rage! and you sir, are a pompous cabbage

Goose99	Posted - 2010.06.01 18:30:00 - [191] Originally by: Dzajic By the way, has there been any clarification from CCP were they even trying to nerf Level 4's or its just collateral damage? Working as intended. CCP doesn't like you. Miners got the collateral damage, insurance changes.
HellSpeed Gallente Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2010.06.01 18:32:00 - [192] /signed Useless stuff from CCP. And tbh I don't like this expansion. On the other hand, why are you reading my signature?
TV Evangelist	Posted - 2010.06.01 18:38:00 - [193] Quote: USE SOME OF THE MONTHLY úMILLIONS YOU RAKE IN FROM THE SUBSCRIBERS AND UPGRADE YOUR SERVER No **, stop ing nerfing ** and fix the goddamn lag.
Vitamin B12	Posted - 2010.06.01 20:33:00 - [194] Originally by: TV Evangelist Quote: USE SOME OF THE MONTHLY úMILLIONS YOU RAKE IN FROM THE SUBSCRIBERS AND UPGRADE YOUR SERVER No **, stop ing nerfing ** and fix the goddamn lag. 80% of the eve player base is in highsec so nobody cares about your lag --- Corporations for Highsec pos anchoring. Only a fee of 75 Million ISK. click
Eugenics Progeny	Posted - 2010.06.01 21:49:00 - [195] Quote: 80% of the eve player base is in highsec so nobody cares about your lag ugh I think he was making the point of not nerfing missions and fixing lag.
Milla Jovobitch	Posted - 2010.06.01 22:26:00 - [196] +1. I've had to relocate from 0.5 agent back to a congested L4 mission hub.
Arctur Vallfar	Posted - 2010.06.01 23:13:00 - [197] Originally by: triafrenum Can I have your stuff? Bah! You beat me to it... ...can I have the stuff he doesn't want?
Dzajic Gallente Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2010.06.01 23:24:00 - [198] This change wont get anyone into low sec who already had no intentions of going there. Especially to do missions in lowsec. Only thing this does is create much much more lag as people flock to deep high sec mission hubs, so those sites will have 300+ in local AND all neighboring systems two jumps away will be in 100-150 range. It also punished people who did their research and found high quality agents in 0.5 or 0.6 systems. You had much better pay than cookie cutter folks running missions in Ours and Didoxie, you never heard of this thing called lag. Sure, once in a blue moon agent might send you to lowsec, that's why the reject mission button is there.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.06.02 01:21:00 - [199] Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 02/06/2010 01:22:36 Quote: You're hopeless. But I'll spell it out again Maybe I am hopeless but I am happy and satisfied by several new features. It's you who are wailing since days instead. Quote: Thats a 80% loss of my income. Why would I be content to have an income I had 8mos ago? Would you? No. So STFU How educate. Therefore HTFU yourself or quit, no one has the minimal care for a freeloader yanking stuff killed by others. Quote: If by chance you've never ninja looted salvaged then quit talking out of your ass like you know something I have been teached how to ninja loot by a DR corp mate 10 months ago. One of the juicest things that continuously happened, were the rage and juicy tears in local. Those surpassed the loot value by far. It's days you closely remind these bears. Quote: By the way, has there been any clarification from CCP were they even trying to nerf Level 4's or its just collateral damage? Read their blogs and their posts, the damage is not collateral. It's a designed nerf made to reduce the minerals faucets, reduce mudflation and somewhat pretend to help miners (the insurance change is not exactly going to help them, though). Quote: It also punished people who did their research and found high quality agents in 0.5 or 0.6 systems I did no big search and this agent is decently crowded, he has yet to send me to low sec since the expansion though. If you really did the research and really went to a low crowd agent, you should still be sent in hi sec - as long as the constellation is setup favorably. - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Ildryn The Inf1dels En Garde	Posted - 2010.06.02 02:08:00 - [200] Originally by: Lone Provider Edited by: Lone Provider on 01/06/2010 04:13:28 Edited by: Lone Provider on 01/06/2010 04:10:45 Originally by: Ildryn Originally by: 1OfMany I still have not seen any hard proof that L5's where intended for low-sec only. The only 'hard' evidence which had been shown in another thread is an almost 3 year old BLOG from a developer where the only statement made was that the AGENTS would be available in low-sec. So PLEASE, don't call lowered probability of L5's in Hi-sec an Exploit fix or fix as it was intended. WOW What the ** do you need? A ing sign? That Dev Blog was what level 5 missions were intended to be. It didn't work out that way for one reason or another but it has now been fixed. You as a player have to accept that and move on. Stop whining *. "Wah...Wah...Wahhhh! I hate Hi-sec LvL5s cause I can't do them!! " JEALOUS! JEALOUS! JEALOUS! 1/ This is supposed to be a Petition for people who agree with it, not disagree. 2/ Sounds like all the Haterz of this thread and LvL5s in Hi-sec are those that chose Mining as a career and actually only wished they could solo a LvL5. DON'T WORRY! I'm sure you'll have the skills.....one day! I solo 10/10 in null moron. Which are more profitable. I have over 60mill skill points. Lone Provider Pator Tech School from 2009.05.15 15:21 to this day. If anything you can't solo a level 5 noob. And the dev blog does state you will need friends to do these and capitals. Maybe thats why all these people are whining about the move to .4 or lower. They don't have friends. But the skills i do have. So before you jump on blood in the water have some **ing skills/truth to back you up.

Goose99	Posted - 2010.06.02 02:19:00 - [201] Edited by: Goose99 on 02/06/2010 02:20:12 Originally by: Ildryn Originally by: Lone Provider Edited by: Lone Provider on 01/06/2010 04:13:28 Edited by: Lone Provider on 01/06/2010 04:10:45 Originally by: Ildryn Originally by: 1OfMany I still have not seen any hard proof that L5's where intended for low-sec only. The only 'hard' evidence which had been shown in another thread is an almost 3 year old BLOG from a developer where the only statement made was that the AGENTS would be available in low-sec. So PLEASE, don't call lowered probability of L5's in Hi-sec an Exploit fix or fix as it was intended. WOW What the ** do you need? A ing sign? That Dev Blog was what level 5 missions were intended to be. It didn't work out that way for one reason or another but it has now been fixed. You as a player have to accept that and move on. Stop whining *. "Wah...Wah...Wahhhh! I hate Hi-sec LvL5s cause I can't do them!! " JEALOUS! JEALOUS! JEALOUS! 1/ This is supposed to be a Petition for people who agree with it, not disagree. 2/ Sounds like all the Haterz of this thread and LvL5s in Hi-sec are those that chose Mining as a career and actually only wished they could solo a LvL5. DON'T WORRY! I'm sure you'll have the skills.....one day! I solo 10/10 in null moron. Which are more profitable. I have over 60mill skill points. Lone Provider Pator Tech School from 2009.05.15 15:21 to this day. If anything you can't solo a level 5 noob. And the dev blog does state you will need friends to do these and capitals. Maybe thats why all these people are whining about the move to .4 or lower. They don't have friends. But the skills i do have. So before you jump on blood in the water have some **ing skills/truth to back you up. That's definitely a forum alt, staying in npc for over a year. It's the norm here. As for capitals for lvl5, most have gates that don't allow capitals through. I used to cherry pick missions and do it with a Thanny in a quiet deep lowsec system a long time ago. It slice through lvl5s like hot knife through butter. Clearly not what's originally intended. Carrier eventually got killed, but payed itself several times over by then. The fact is, Tyrannis bug allows lvl5s to be spawn almost entirely in highsec when toons are dumped into low, increase its population. It can be exploited. Simple probability would just spawn mostly lowsec and highsec once in a long while. Tyrannis bug fails no matter how you measure it. It rewards organized exploiters and farmers, while cheating legitimate runners out of their fair share of rare highsec lvl5 spawns.
Ildryn The Inf1dels En Garde	Posted - 2010.06.02 03:19:00 - [202] Edited by: Ildryn on 02/06/2010 03:20:06 Finally proof that the devs intend to move all level 5 missions to .4 and lower. This is an official dev video log on the entire thing. Dev Video Blog
Some Dewd Some Corp.	Posted - 2010.06.02 05:02:00 - [203] Edited by: Some Dewd on 02/06/2010 05:02:29 OMG u noobs stop crying you carebears, whaaa whaaaaaaa i gots no uber lewts now i make 18m a hour instead of 20m a hour IMMA QUIT EVE OMFG I HATE U!!@!@!@11! get into 0.0 you r tards and make 100x more in a month then in a year of missioning PS: ccp can you get rid of missions in empire? only only allow mining? thanks!!!!
Ghost Wisperer	Posted - 2010.06.02 06:43:00 - [204] In short CCP just successfully ruined playstyle of long term casual players. Those who tell "get into nullsec, or get low sec alliance going" should think a bit - it takes time to organize, it takes time to defend etc etc. It doesnt mix well with play 30 minutes-take 30 minutes break, go suddenly afk cause you have some stuff to do etc.etc. If you are living in your mother's basement dont assume that everyone else is
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.06.02 06:55:00 - [205] Originally by: Ghost Wisperer In short CCP just successfully ruined playstyle of long term casual players. Those who tell "get into nullsec, or get low sec alliance going" should think a bit - it takes time to organize, it takes time to defend etc etc. It doesnt mix well with play 30 minutes-take 30 minutes break, go suddenly afk cause you have some stuff to do etc.etc. If you are living in your mother's basement dont assume that everyone else is "Ruined playstyle"? Reducing income by 2M per hour? Or because they put people before the choice between moving to an inner system if they don't ever want to risk a low sec assigmnent? That sounds like "somewhat" far fetched. On a related matter, why I did not see you posting for the exactly same years about "long term casual players" who happened to be miners and their profession was rendered worthless by missioning? - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Malcanis Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.06.02 07:33:00 - [206] Originally by: Vitamin B12 Originally by: TV Evangelist Quote: USE SOME OF THE MONTHLY úMILLIONS YOU RAKE IN FROM THE SUBSCRIBERS AND UPGRADE YOUR SERVER No **, stop ing nerfing and fix the goddamn lag. 80% of the eve player base is in highsec so nobody cares about your lag You should maybe add up the membership numbers of the 0.0 alliances one day. Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always** to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
Malcanis Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.06.02 07:42:00 - [207] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Originally by: Ghost Wisperer In short CCP just successfully ruined playstyle of long term casual players. Those who tell "get into nullsec, or get low sec alliance going" should think a bit - it takes time to organize, it takes time to defend etc etc. It doesnt mix well with play 30 minutes-take 30 minutes break, go suddenly afk cause you have some stuff to do etc.etc. If you are living in your mother's basement dont assume that everyone else is "Ruined playstyle"? Reducing income by 2M per hour? Or because they put people before the choice between moving to an inner system if they don't ever want to risk a low sec assigmnent? That sounds like "somewhat" far fetched. On a related matter, why I did not see you posting for the exactly same years about "long term casual players" who happened to be miners and their profession was rendered worthless by missioning? Surely you're not disputing the obvious fact that mission runners *DESERVE* the best PVE rewards and the least risk are you? Expecting missionrunners to take their turn on the buff/nerf cycle like (for instance) the common filth who mine minerals is nothing less than a BRUTAL ASSAULT on the noble art of running missions in hi-sec. I mean CCP has done nothing but buff missions for the last 5 years, so this 5% nerf represents nothing less than an ORGANISED SCAM IMHO. CCP has steadily increased the rewards and greatly decreased the risks of mission running over the years, and now reversing that - even a little - is just a classic BAIT AND SWITCH.CCP are just GRIEFERS! Nothing less than reporting this malfeasance to the Better Business Bureau will suffice, to be honest. PS: This is CCP's NGE! Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
Caarah	Posted - 2010.06.02 08:55:00 - [208] /signed
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.06.02 09:22:00 - [209] Originally by: Entgo Ditumi The point is that even if these percentages are accurate, they will change with the agent quality, pirate faction, and skils/techniques of the the pilot running the mission. This isn't something that needs to be proven with "actual data." It's just commonsense. No, the point is that the whiners are throwing around assertions without any shred of evidence, and when people come around and question those assertions with facts, they get attacked for it. If the whiners want to make those assertions, they need to back them up, otherwise they're just a bunch of clueless windbags. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Ghost Wisperer	Posted - 2010.06.02 09:24:00 - [210] Originally by: Malcanis Surely you're not disputing the obvious fact that mission runners *DESERVE* the best PVE rewards and the least risk are you? Expecting missionrunners to take their turn on the buff/nerf cycle like (for instance) the common filth who mine minerals is nothing less than a BRUTAL ASSAULT on the noble art of running missions in hi-sec. I mean CCP has done nothing but buff missions for the last 5 years, so this 5% nerf represents nothing less than an ORGANISED SCAM IMHO. CCP has steadily increased the rewards and greatly decreased the risks of mission running over the years, and now reversing that - even a little - is just a classic BAIT AND SWITCH.CCP are just GRIEFERS! Nothing less than reporting this malfeasance to the Better Business Bureau will suffice, to be honest. PS: This is CCP's NGE! So many exclamations, caps and nullsec alliance ticker. How does it feel to spend countless arse-hours doing nothing listening to some jerks on teamspeak ? Oh the thrill of waiting for login command, excitement of shooting the pos, joy of getting up at 4 am to defend a pos. Dont be jealous of other people playing their own game instead of being slaves to some overweight student ~



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