If you make it "harder" for "campers" you make it easier for people to jump blindling into less safe space, thus making the overall game easier. That is non-sense and against the nature of the game. I make it harder for campers BY KILLING THEM.

I don't gate camp, I find it boring. In fact I prefer to hotdrop gate campers and just last week finished training an alt to fly a Panther with a Covert portal (my main flys a Redeemer for such drops, the covert portal is so we can bring along bombers and recons too). Hell, I've been Titan Bridged onto Gate camps more times than I've actually gate camped lol.

So no, you can't pin that "I'm just defending my gate camping play style" on me. What I am defending is the Spirit of EVE. Gate camps are a (crappy) part of life, you either learn to deal with it or you stay in high sec (and complain on the forums).

I don't get mad at people doing things I don't like, I get even, come back with friends and bust that camp. Asking for the GAME to change rather than adapting to the game itself is an example of the whiney entitlement carebearism I crusade against.

Gate Camping might be silly, complaining about it is worse lol.

How about you find some friends instead and go start shooting these people ?

Stupid.

This guy wants tanking in the form of "no guns, no tank, no cloak, no speed". It already exists: it's called not jumping unprepared. A properly prepared freighter will have an easier time jumping through lowsec than an unprepared drake. You can't deny that.

Do I think it is good for player retention to let gate campers sit on a gate and farm ships that have a disadvantage due to the nature of the zone transition? No.

Are you saying it is too much work to actually have to hunt down infiltrators and fight them in a fair fight?

No, he doesn't. Don't make **** up.

If you hunt them down yes it is a fair fight with exactly the same numbers as on a gate.

If they are camping a low sec gate as pirates they have the Gate Guns to deal with and you can jump a scout through and see what they under cloak have before engaging them.

You have a greater combat advantage on a gate then they do.

Lowsec gatecamps are like a college initiation, it is a test of skill, a trial by fire to separate the "worthy" from the 'unworthy".

Once I'm clear of the Gate, I am very rarely pursued, even though I'm in Local, with Hostiles, and not cloaked

Current gate gun dps is silly. If it were higher, it may mean something. As of right now it is way too easy to tank.

This I agree with. I always thought that their damage should scale with ship size. So little frigates can effectively speedtank them but a battleship would have less then a minute before it's tank was overwhelmed.

Frigate fights, best fights

No guns and untanked? What the heck are you talking about? Stop making **** up.

Instead of camping a gate and mindlessly playing whack-a-mole

Make them get off their security blanket of abusing the gate jump mechanics and actually engage someone who is ready for a fight.

Whats the problem, you don't want to be shot back while camping?

It is pathetic how gate campers want to sit in a low risk area and shoot fish in a barrel that cant shoot back as easily

Why am I not surprised that you argue from the vantage point of being able to hotdrop? A player under 1 year experience is not likely to have access to such tools, even with friends as most cyno-capable corps and alliances require 10 million sp for consideration. You are viewing the world through an isk-filled wallet and the convenience of already having years of skill points.

I first jumped into low at around 3 million sp on my main. I didn't learn to pass through with relative ease until 5 million sp and by using a scout. I couldn't do anything useful once over there until 8 million sp and even then, with great risk of isk loss.

Do I think hotdropping gate camps is hilarious? Yes. Do I think it is a fair fight? Yes. Do I think it is good for player retention to let gate campers sit on a gate and farm ships that have a disadvantage due to the nature of the zone transition? No.

I want players to have a chance to see other aspects of the game. Many are not as adventurous as those of us who have spent time in Low/Null.

The "EVE is hard herp derp" mantra is over used and childish. Well no shyte, it is hard? Wow, I haven't heard that 1,000 times. What has been tried, has thus far failed to get more players into lowsec. Change is needed.

Changes do not mean it gets easier. Make it harder on gate campers in HI-LOW transitions.

Only been into low-sec twice, once to 0.0 and did not see anyone enroute and once through a gate camp in a shuttle guess they were getting bored as they were so slow to react, only one even bothered to try and target me and he started that too late.

Heres an idea... Get in a ship and kill the people gate camping?


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Shuttles make my whole point!
Who wants to pvp with shuttles and covertops?

Give me fighting chance or fair warning at entry points.
... And in return null gets newer people that have a chance to get in.

If the spawn campers can't handle the slightest challenge then at least NCP null gates should have proximity ship count alerts before jumping. It's NPR space so go sown camp your own sov space.

I know, here come the cries of outrage from the same old same old, don't know how to do it any other way crowd

I want players to have a chance to see other aspects of the game. Many are not as adventurous as those of us who have spent time in Low/Null.

The "EVE is hard herp derp" mantra is over used and childish. Well no shyte, it is hard? Wow, I haven't heard that 1,000 times. What has been tried, has thus far failed to get more players into lowsec. Change is needed.

Changes do not mean it gets easier. Make it harder on gate campers in HI-LOW transitions.

Shuttles make my whole point!
Who wants to pvp with shuttles and covertops?

Give me fighting chance or fair warning at entry points.
... And in return null gets newer people that have a chance to get in.

If the spawn campers can't handle the slightest challenge then at least NCP null gates should have proximity ship count alerts before jumping. It's NPR space so go sown camp your own sov space.

I know, here come the cries of outrage from the same old same old, don't know how to do it any other way crowd

While I can certainly see that making entry into losec would increase the population and so the targets there and I can see where you are coming from on that point, I've never had a problem getting into losec through a gate camp in a frigate or destroyer. Maybe I've never run into that legendary insta-locking gate camp. On the otherhand I don't bring anything bigger than a destroyer or a very fast aligning cruiser in, which leaves out losec mining or mission running for me. I fly solo so I'm not going to be taking on the gate camp. The camps I worry more about are the ones between losec and nullsec, nullsec entry points are usually camped and frequently bubbled. I have to say some of my most adrenaline filled times in game have been escaping those bubbled camps though. Once you are past the entry pont into null its hit or miss which gates are camped, just warp to a planet near the gate you are going to and you can scan the gate for any campers or bubbles, bubbles are the chief concern since you can warp to zero otherwise and insta jump through.

Look at growth stats, not returnies that will just leave again, look at new blood stats!

Evolve or in time LOTRO will be your only choice. Games fade when only the old have a voice.

Give me fighting chance or fair warning at entry points.
... And in return null gets newer people that have a chance to get in.

I know, here come the cries of outrage from the same old same old, don't know how to do it any other way crowd

You've already been told the answer, and you just dismissed it as 'not involving radical enough changes'. The answer is the star map. That's your fair warning. That's what gives you a chance. That's what allows even solo people under a year old to navigate nullsec. If you want to encourage people entering nullsec, then encourage them to use the star map.



Dude, you're the one not wanting to learn to use this game feature that should be about as important to you as your directional scanner.

This video is titled 'Finding fights with the map'. What you can find, you can also avoid. If you want some practice with it, try getting to Venal and then Stain without running into a gatecamp. If you do the pirate epic arcs (involving Curse and Venal), you'll get paid a good sum of isk to do this.