Map data is not accurate enough nor up to date enough for LOWSEC.

In LOWSEC gates can be camped non-stop 24/7.

I would tend to agree that the current mechanics does not really need to change. The cloak +MWD trick is effective enough.

However, I would find it extremely cool if concord (or the faction navy) would randomly patrol lowsec.

My idea in detail: Jumping trough a gate they (concord or navy) would wait 30 sec till they take any actions. If they find a player with lower sec status than -5 they will start shooting at him/her until the player warps off or are destroyed. If they find a player with a global criminal countdown in system they will (after 30 sec) try to warp scramble that player. If the player is waiting the GC tag to go away somewhere in the system they will give chase.

A gate camp could easily avoid the patrol, but a cunning player could use the patrol to fly through the camp. Even better, the player could gamble on that the patrol will jump after him/her and jump through the gate, get the campers to agress and then scramble as many as possible and tank the campers till the patrol jumps through and finishes of the camp, however the patrol might not jump through in time or even warp off to a different gate...

Sounds like good fun to me.

This idea I really like. I have always felt that people with crappy sec ratings should not be able to continue douchebaggary in the same spot for 12 hours straight (like gate camping).

I like how the high sec dweller falls into the usual selfish, self-centered stereotype. Eve is a sandbox, if you don't like players doing something... stop them. Why are you folks always incapable of helping yourselves? You always run to CCP, begging them to nerf something, instead of taking care of the problem on your own.

You don't want gates camped? Stop thinking only about yourself for once, stop thinking about Eve as a solo venture for once, make some friends and go blow the campers up. It really isn't hard: something fast to scout the camp, something tanked to hell to bait them, a black bird tailored for their ships and some dps. Boom, boom, boom, dead pirates. They're just as cowardly as you are; they'll be too busy trying to flee to fight back effectively.

Spoken by an old character that missed the point. This is about getting interaction. As usual the oldies can't think of change.

Change, evolve, make eve better for new players to pvp

OK, on that line of thought then I would simply ask for KILL RIGHTS on anyone who has gate camped in the past 24 hours. ANYONE. Also, I want KILL RIGHTS on anyone with security rating more than 4 points below my own (and negative). EVERYWHERE.

Fair? You see, not all of us want our security rating to go to ****. Some of us actually want certain characters of ours to be on the good guy side of the game...

Heres an idea... Get in a ship and kill the people gate camping?


HUUURRRRRDUUURRRRRRWHOWUDATHOUGHTDURRRRRR

Isn't that like telling an army recruit to fight a navy seal?

Kind of like saying "1+1 = 2, now that you know math, here's some advanced physics". There needs to be a "some what" gradual process to getting into PvP. Not "You can fly an Ibis, now venture off into null and go fight a titan"

You don't get security rating hits for blowing up people in 0.0 space. And the vast majority of lowsec campers you're whining about are already -5.0 or lower anyway, so you don't get a security rating hit for blowing them up either. Any other excuses for not taking care of these guys yourself?

I like how the high sec dweller falls into the usual selfish, self-centered stereotype. Eve is a sandbox, if you don't like players doing something... stop them. Why are you folks always incapable of helping yourselves? You always run to CCP, begging them to nerf something, instead of taking care of the problem on your own.

You don't want gates camped? Stop thinking only about yourself for once, stop thinking about Eve as a solo venture for once, make some friends and go blow the campers up. It really isn't hard: something fast to scout the camp, something tanked to hell to bait them, a black bird tailored for their ships and some dps. Boom, boom, boom, dead pirates. They're just as cowardly as you are; they'll be too busy trying to flee to fight back effectively.

Isn't that like telling an army recruit to fight a navy seal?

... they would have banded together as an anti-Goon crusade and would have conquered Deklien by now lol.

This is the pipiest of pipe dreams. We can hope one day they'll try it. But that would require organization and the high-sec dweller plays Eve-Online as though it were a single player game with pretty good AI ships flying around and whines to CCP when they don't get their way.

Frigates are not camping lowsec gates. You're beginning to get hysterical in your quest to prove you're somehow a victim. Everything you're complaining about is something you have the power to fix. You just need to stop being a victim and start shooting back, your security rating is irrelevant and easily corrected anyhow.

Can't see that ever happening, you've become too big, when you add TEST, FA and whoever else bands with you these days.

Dodging the question, like most of the older posters I see. Must be a gate camper. Wouldn't want to get shot first.

My security rating isn't for you to decide how important it is. I should start shooting back? Oh, after the gate camper shoots first?

How strange an advantage... even a player from a seasoned alliance in SOV can't see past their own little world.

Nope, it's like telling that army recruit to "go get your entire PLATOON to fight that navy Seal".

Devils Advocate:

What about from the perspective of a new player? You just joined the game, you don't know anyone, you're not in a useful corp, you want to go take a peek at Low-Sec to see if you're even interested into upgrading from your trial account, and POP. You jumped into low and your're dead.

The way I see it, Low-sec players are a bunch of bullies in their own playground, mostly separate of the high-sec playground. The pick on everyone who ventures into their territory while at the same time complaining that not everyone wants to come play.

Be bullies all you want, just stay out of our playground and we'll stay out of yours. If you want to come to our playground, then play by our rules. If you want to change our rules, then we should be free to change your rules, it's only fair.

Be bullies all you want, just stay out of our playground and we'll stay out of yours. If you want to come to our playground, then play by our rules. If you want to change our rules, then we should be free to change your rules, it's only fair.

The previous posts are proof enough that gate campers don't actually want a fight. They just want to gank without risk. Otherwise, they would have been all for the idea of allowing people with high security rating to shoot the gankers first.

Bullies don't like fair fights; it is only fun for them when they can look tough in a tilted fight and pat each other on the butt when they kill a noob on alpha.

Isn't that like telling an army recruit to fight a navy seal?

Kind of like saying "1+1 = 2, now that you know math, here's some advanced physics". There needs to be a "some what" gradual process to getting into PvP. Not "You can fly an Ibis, now venture off into null and go fight a titan"

What's wrong with the idea I proposed? You afraid of being killed in a fair fight? Don't want to lose your edge of getting to shoot first?

I love it how when someone wants to kill gate campers without the loss of SEC status is now whining. Wow man, wake up. I want a fair fight with none of the meta-mechanics stopping me. Pirates should be shot dead. I want to shoot them without losing sec status. Is that so scary to you?

If the High Sec crowd were like "us",Hulkageddon wouldn't be an issue because they would have banded together as an anti-Goon crusade and would have conquered Deklien by now lol.

If they shoot first, then the gate guns will be on your side. Meaning you will not lose sec status. Seriously, try to at least know game mechanics before whining for nerfs to certain game professions.

There have been plenty of explanations in this thread, that tell you exactly how to deal with camps. The only issue I see here, is that you simply cannot be arsed to use any of them.