Life in eve...
Industrialists, explorers, traders, pve'rs VS the rebels.. Pvp'rs

Just be happy CCP loves the goons accounts and CCP loves isks sinks

To address the topic, nah. 0.0 is supposed to be unforgiving, it's part of the game. The NPE could be improved to point newbies in the right direction (learning how to scout gates, encouraging players to only fly what they can afford to lose, joining a corporation, how to use map statistics, the basics on tackle and evading tackle)

Life is only black and white. Shades of gray cause me headaches and progress is always bad, because it means change *shudder*. Please get me back to the retirement home now. I'm scared by the youngsters over there.

Heres an idea... Get in a ship and kill the people gate camping?


HUUURRRRRDUUURRRRRRWHOWUDATHOUGHTDURRRRRR

What happened to Goon posts?
The last few days you guys keep pointing out how you cherish newbies, how you dislike renter alliances that treat their renters like cattle, make constructive suggestions and are generally helpful..
Where is the usual condescending "Y'all worthless pubbies"- rant?
Is this a new PR policy or have I just become so blunted over the time that I cannot find your posts offensive anymore?

Nothing has changed. A part of Goonswarm's culture is to cherish our newbies and has been since the day Remedial founded Goonfleet. All those pilots steam rolling the Soco with Tengu fleets and Super Caps, started the game by being handed a stack of skill books and rifters and being paired up with a mentor.

Same with the renter part. Rather than rent space we create strong alliances with other player organizations base on mutual respect and self-interest. Diplomacy is something we take very seriously at an alliance level. Turns out when you don't treat your friends and neighbors like dirt they'll be there for you when you need them. This is a concept that is so foreign to so many folks playing Eve-Online that they continue to call our allies pets.

Those of you who aren't blue or have spat on our olive branch? You can all go die in your own filth.

Edit: And not offering constructive suggestions when you have a decent answer is just petty.

Yeah the funny thing is the reason Goons arent falling apart is by all reports they DONT treat their renters like **** LIKE EVERYONE ELSE

funnily enough the Goons are the good guys in this case

What wonderful piles of bs being spewed in this thread.

People want easy kills on clueless noobs, what better place to get them.

Are you serious? You do know there are things called "corporations" and "alliances" and "coalitions" in this game right? Where people come together for common goals.

So you're saying that there is NO WAY Hgih sec can band together, because you can't trust anyone? That's pure nonsense. You don't get a pop up that says "do you trust this guy who is also shooting at the same target you want to shoot at" lol.

You high sec people will hide behind any possible (and illogical, fallacy filled) reason to not do anything on your own behalf, it's amazing.

It's further Amazing that you high sec can group up in Mega Bling Blobs to kill incursion rats with people you don't know while flying 5 billion isk Nightmares and Bhaalgorns, but going to fight the guys suicide ganking your Hulks in high sec with 200 mil isk Maelstroms is too much of a stretch trustwise?

WTF mate?

Well there's a lot of industry in high-sec, NPC corps, mining corps. I wouldn't say I know of many real PvP corps (except merc corps and RvB with their wargames), because there's no real PvP in high-sec (I don't count suicide jockeys and the wardecs in high-sec as being real PvP, maybe I've seen the wrong war decs). So you expect all the peeps from NPC corps, mining corps, solo corps, industry corps to jump in ships and tackle someone like the Goons and associates. Yeah right keep dreaming.

Is there any corp/alliance big enough to tackle Goons and all their associates now? I doubt it somehow and even if there was would they bother if they're not being bothered.

Why am I not surprised that you argue from the vantage point of being able to hotdrop? A player under 1 year experience is not likely to have access to such tools, even with friends as most cyno-capable corps and alliances require 10 million sp for consideration. You are viewing the world through an isk-filled wallet and the convenience of already having years of skill points.

I first jumped into low at around 3 million sp on my main. I didn't learn to pass through with relative ease until 5 million sp and by using a scout. I couldn't do anything useful once over there until 8 million sp and even then, with great risk of isk loss.

Do I think hotdropping gate camps is hilarious? Yes. Do I think it is a fair fight? Yes. Do I think it is good for player retention to let gate campers sit on a gate and farm ships that have a disadvantage due to the nature of the zone transition? No.

I want players to have a chance to see other aspects of the game. Many are not as adventurous as those of us who have spent time in Low/Null. The "EVE is hard herp derp" mantra is over used and childish. Well no shyte, it is hard? Wow, I haven't heard that 1,000 times. What has been tried, has thus far failed to get more players into lowsec. Change is needed.

Changes do not mean it gets easier. Make it harder on gate campers in HI-LOW transitions.

If those newbies banded together they would be a rather frightening force.

ITT everything coming down to team work and the average high-sec dwellers inability to use it.

Did anybody else feel the stupid in this thread go up?

Yeah, generally anytime Tarsus posts

Gate alerts, fair warning on how many ships are on the other side

Thats funny because I was talking about you.

Its more funny you think I care

Or that anyone does for that matter

Maybe instead of changing the gate camps , ccp should make some gate camp training sites run by NPC.

Where a new person could learn how to fit a ship and strategys to use to get through gate camps and bubbles . Make it part of the career agents.

Might even want to expand it to learn some other basics of surving in lo /null .

People armed with some basic knowledge might be less inclined to stay away from lo/null

Maybe instead of changing the gate camps , ccp should make some gate camp training sites run by NPC.

Where a new person could learn how to fit a ship and strategys to use to get through gate camps and bubbles . Make it part of the career agents.

Might even want to expand it to learn some other basics of surving in lo /null .

People armed with some basic knowledge might be less inclined to stay away from lo/null

Yea ppl like me can use a cloaky nullified easily. I'm talking about letting all have better access all sec space. Not just the 1 year plus players.

Get carebears access to null. Let them try it without having to signon to a null corp

Give me options!

Think newer player action

Or the whiners could use their grey matter to come up with a plan like everyone else did in the entire history of EVE.

As far as I know, there are a number of newbro training programs that get players acclimated to null-sec as soon as they start playing.

I have met members of TEST who have only spent - seriously - an hour or two total in high-sec their entire EVE career. They joined Dreddit after reading about TEST and EVE in general, and after finishing the tutorials podded themselves straight to 1DH/6VDT. If you are a player looking to move into low-sec or null-sec, there are people who will accommodate you. Do current game mechanics make that transition viable for a new player to make on their own? No. Is it possible for anyone with an interest to move out of high-sec with the assistance of others? Absolutely.

Yeah go down to 0.0 in an untanked hulk like I did. its fun.