The previous posts are proof enough that gate campers don't actually want a fight. They just want to gank without risk. Otherwise, they would have been all for the idea of allowing people with high security rating to shoot the gankers first.

Bullies don't like fair fights; it is only fun for them when they can look tough in a tilted fight and pat each other on the butt when they kill a noob on alpha.

I am aware of this. Try and read. I want to be the one to shoot first. They don't deserve the advantage of initiating the conflict in high or low security space. A known pirate (SEC status below 0) should be kill on sight for all pilots with positive SEC rating.

Most of Eve vs null sec? See youve missed the whole point.

AGAIN, getting ppl into null is the point. Make the entrance way work. The 'entrance', or door ... Get it... How you enter DF

No not really. Goonswarm continues to have incredible success sending newbies off to war on their first day in Eve Online. Remember that Shrike's Titan died because a three day old newbie listened to his blood lust and burned straight at the spot he saw a cloaking Titan. Newbies can be an incredible asset when veteran players aren't busy spitting on them.

No one is saying you need to take on these camps by yourself. That's the last thing you should be doing. Even newbies can bust up a gate camp with ease if they bring numbers and smarts to the battle. ECM and guts let your fleet punch well above its weight, you just need to stop thinking of Eve as a solo game.

Devils Advocate:

What about from the perspective of a new player? You just joined the game, you don't know anyone, you're not in a useful corp, you want to go take a peek at Low-Sec to see if you're even interested into upgrading from your trial account, and POP. You jumped into low and your're dead.

The way I see it, Low-sec players are a bunch of bullies in their own playground, mostly separate of the high-sec playground. The pick on everyone who ventures into their territory while at the same time complaining that not everyone wants to come play.

Be bullies all you want, just stay out of our playground and we'll stay out of yours. If you want to come to our playground, then play by our rules. If you want to change our rules, then we should be free to change your rules, it's only fair.

But anyway, that comment always makes me smile. How do people expect a large force to gather from smaller groups and individuals that don't know each other when one of the things you learn in EvE is not to trust anyone?

Heres an idea... Get in a ship and kill the people gate camping?


HUUURRRRRDUUURRRRRRWHOWUDATHOUGHTDURRRRRR

Doing so will make null lively again, in theory.

Making space undefendable would do the exact opposite, in practice. It's a stupid idea.

Newbies can either join a team or go it on their own.

Making space undefendable would do the exact opposite, in practice. It's a stupid idea.

Newbies can either join a team or go it on their own.

HUUURRRDURRR missed the context of the OP argument. New player(s) are not capable of killing a null gate camp. OP is trying to tell NULL players to pull off of the null entry gates as to not scare new blood out of nullsec at the get go.

Doing so will make null lively again, in theory.

Dumbass.

Devils Advocate:

What about from the perspective of a new player? You just joined the game, you don't know anyone, you're not in a useful corp, you want to go take a peek at Low-Sec to see if you're even interested into upgrading from your trial account, and POP. You jumped into low and your're dead.

As usual the oldies can't think of change.

Change, evolve, make eve better for new players to pvp

As irritating as gate campers in low seccan be, it's simply not something I care about changing. Like a bad shop, if all the customers leave it won't stay open, the same goes for a gate camped low-sec system. If your idea of pvp is popping unprepared ships, then kudos to you, you've found the most boring way to play Eve. While you're camping jump gates with little to no risk, come and complain on these forums about high-sec carebears who play the game with little to no risk. It'll make you the perfect hypocrit.

Not at the expense of the spirt of the game. EVE IS HARSH, if we wanted easy we'd play a themepark game.

Heres an idea... Get in a ship and kill the people gate camping?


HUUURRRRRDUUURRRRRRWHOWUDATHOUGHTDURRRRRR

Getting more people out of highsec is a good goal, but I don't think sneaking more security into lowsec is the answer. If you're going to make anything of yourself in more dangerous space, you should be prepared to have a plan. How to get there should probably be pretty high on the checklist for said plan.

Gatecamping is heavily in favor of those that live in the lower sec areas. Choke points kill high sec ppl adventuring into low/ null.
Everyone looses except the laziest players that sit and watch all day.

CCP wants to mix it up, get carebears into low and null.. It's just good for the eve game overall. Yeah yeah I know oldies are hard to change. The iron age was great for me too.

Do you want new blood in the game?
Fix it and low/null will be busy!

Many ideas
- damage dampening effect around sec changing gates?
- dampening lock time effect?
- alternate pay gates?
- npc jump services?
- jump into gate at > 100km?

OR

Gate alerts, fair warning on how many ships are on the other side

Pvp is a skill that we learn to be good at and should be proud of our kills!
Gate campers are just gang gankers, sadly no skills required.

CCP, Give us easier options to mix it up!!!

STALE Oldies need not reply.

What happened to Goon posts?
The last few days you guys keep pointing out how you cherish newbies, how you dislike renter alliances that treat their renters like cattle, make constructive suggestions and are generally helpful..
Where is the usual condescending "Y'all worthless pubbies"- rant?
Is this a new PR policy or have I just become so blunted over the time that I cannot find your posts offensive anymore?