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Ginseng Jita
PAN-EVE TRADING COMPANY
1528
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Posted - 2012.07.17 16:49:00 -
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OK, just a ideal. I know we can openly duel in EVE under certain circumstances. For instance, two players can drop containers and they loot each others - or you can be in the same corp and duel without interference from Concorde. Dropping containers is so passe and to me an unnecessary prerequisite and joining a corp just to duel is not a very good option either.
I would like a simpler way of going about dueling.
So would anyone be open to the ideal of a "Dueling Button" ? All it would do is flag each participant is an temporary enemy and allow for the players to shoot it out - but only to the point of almost destruction. You can't pod your opponent. Before you can destroy their ship both parties weapons are made inoperable and a winner is declared.
Is this a bad ideal or is it something others would like to see added to the game as a way to practice PvP - without going full on PvP and without all the BS of dropping containers or joining a corp?
If you hate the ideal - tell me to go biomass.  If you like the ideal - tell me you'd love me long time. 
Oh and if this has been brought up in the past, forgive me, I must have missed it. |

Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2047
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Posted - 2012.07.17 16:52:00 -
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This idea is about as out of place in EVE as a "summon magical love ponies" button. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |

Elvis Fett
The 12th Legion Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
0
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Posted - 2012.07.17 16:56:00 -
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Your idea is not going to be received well. It has been suggested before and shot down before. Arena combat has little place in EVE is the general consensus.
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Ginseng Jita
PAN-EVE TRADING COMPANY
1528
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Posted - 2012.07.17 16:56:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:This idea is about as out of place in EVE as a "summon magical love ponies" button.
Well, how would it be out of place? It is just a consent button that tells Concorde it is a friendly duel. Also, unless I am mistaken, there are many things in EVE that are in the realm of magical ponies. So I don't think it is beyond the game to incorporate something like this.
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Thronde
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.07.17 16:57:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:This idea is about as out of place in EVE as a "summon magical love ponies" button.
That about sums it up. There already is one, it's called Undock. |

Ginseng Jita
PAN-EVE TRADING COMPANY
1528
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Posted - 2012.07.17 16:57:00 -
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Elvis Fett wrote:Your idea is not going to be received well. It has been suggested before and shot down before. Arena combat has little place in EVE is the general consensus.
Why is dueling so bad? |

Quaaid
ABOS Industrial Enterprises
54
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Posted - 2012.07.17 16:58:00 -
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I think in a pvp oriented sandbox game it's sinful to not have a mechanic to orchestrate these (and other match type) scenarios at will. All current mechanics that could be attributed to this are flawed as it relies on the integrity of the people involved.
No true testing can occur outside of groups that have earned high levels of trust with each other. |

Benjamin Eastwood
Oshaima Exports
64
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Posted - 2012.07.17 16:58:00 -
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There is nothing in EVE considered to be in the realm of magical ponies, save for Test alliance try-hard space. "Endless ISK, the sinews of war" |

Serena Serene
Selective Hearing Nearly Feared
1421
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Posted - 2012.07.17 16:58:00 -
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I don't think a "hey Concord, it's okay if that guy shoots at me for this duel"-button would be a bad thing. I don't think it should automatically prevent ship destruction, though. |

Zimmy Zeta
Paramount Commerce Masters of Flying Objects
1150
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Posted - 2012.07.17 17:00:00 -
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Welp, everybody could install the Sisi client and duke it out as much as they want with zero risk involved. -.- |
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Emperor Salazar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
573
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Posted - 2012.07.17 17:03:00 -
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Drop a can. |

Smoking Blunts
ZC Industries Dark Stripes
333
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Posted - 2012.07.17 17:05:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:This idea is about as out of place in EVE as a "summon magical love ponies" button.
i really want this button now, dam you and your magical ponies OMG when can i get a pic here
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Ginseng Jita
PAN-EVE TRADING COMPANY
1528
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Posted - 2012.07.17 17:06:00 -
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Emperor Salazar wrote:Drop a can.
Really....really...
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Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
701
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Posted - 2012.07.17 17:09:00 -
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As long as it's restricted to "click butan, get mutual aggression", yes, why not. But no safe zones, no instances, no forced ship or equipment restrictions, no stopping ship destruction, nothing that wouldn't happen in a canflip scenario. |

Ginseng Jita
PAN-EVE TRADING COMPANY
1528
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Posted - 2012.07.17 17:13:00 -
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Abdiel Kavash wrote:As long as it's restricted to "click butan, get mutual aggression", yes, why not. But no safe zones, no instances, no forced ship or equipment restrictions, no stopping ship destruction, nothing that wouldn't happen in a canflip scenario.
Exaclty...nothing special...just mutual aggression - no special room or arena...just start shooting. |

Sugar Kyle
The humbleless Crew Capital Punishment.
66
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Posted - 2012.07.17 17:13:00 -
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As a concept I can see the appeal. However, it creates a tiny personal instemce and safety. No more worries about their corp mates. No worry about ship destruction. No chance to screw up with not looting the can at the proper time.
Where is the risk? Next people will want a ranking system and duel reports and then they declare that PvP has no need outside of honorable duels where real people only fight evenly matched foes.
It is too slippery slope. |

Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2051
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Posted - 2012.07.17 17:15:00 -
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Ginseng Jita wrote:Abdiel Kavash wrote:As long as it's restricted to "click butan, get mutual aggression", yes, why not. But no safe zones, no instances, no forced ship or equipment restrictions, no stopping ship destruction, nothing that wouldn't happen in a canflip scenario. Exaclty...nothing special...just mutual aggression - no special room or arena...just start shooting.
If all you want is to be able to pewpew without having to deal with ******** game mechanics, you do that by leaving highsec / lowsec, not by introducing more ******** game mechanics.
I spar pretty much every time I log in. Nullsec is nice, no stupidity to stand between you and your fun. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |

YuuKnow
362
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Posted - 2012.07.17 17:16:00 -
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No.
-1 |

THE L0CK
Denying You Access
637
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Posted - 2012.07.17 17:18:00 -
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Why fix what isn't broke. The can's have worked just as well as your little button for the past decade without the worry of seeing 20 pop ups from the spazmatic wonder over yonder. Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |

Lord Ryan
Quantum Cats Syndicate
541
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Posted - 2012.07.17 17:18:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:This idea is about as out of place in EVE as a "summon magical love ponies" button.
I want a Magical Love Pony! -á"Nerf it cause I can't fly it". I want to fly a badass Mon Calamari stlye-ácruiser painted to match my Tron clothes. |
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Karak Terrel
As Far As The eYe can see Chained Reactions
116
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Posted - 2012.07.17 17:20:00 -
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No,
because then it is formal and i can already hear the noobs 2 months later crying for instanced fights because the other guy last night had a friend with a logi "...and that is clearly an exploit to a system that was invented for 1v1 PvP..."
No No No No! |

Quaaid
ABOS Industrial Enterprises
54
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Posted - 2012.07.17 17:21:00 -
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I think it's rather ironic that CCP would put so much effort into balancing fight scenarios for the controversial and crowd pleasing Alliance Tournaments, yet not develop/pass any of that functionality down to the common capsuleer.
That is my closing argument for developing Dueling / Small Fleet / Controlled PvP scenarios for the masses: Alliance Tournament gets to do it. |

Ginseng Jita
PAN-EVE TRADING COMPANY
1528
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Posted - 2012.07.17 17:23:00 -
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Karak Terrel wrote:No,
because then it is formal and i can already hear the noobs 2 months later crying for instanced fights because the other guy last night had a friend with a logi "...and that is clearly an exploit to a system that was invented for 1v1 PvP..."
No No No No!
You know, it wouldn't be hard to code the inability to rep someone in a duel. Just make it so that isn't possible - you know.
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Alara IonStorm
2669
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Posted - 2012.07.17 17:24:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:This idea is about as out of place in EVE as a "summon magical love ponies" button. Celestia could kick tests ass any day of the week and twice on Sundays.
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Jeanova
She and her alt
0
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Posted - 2012.07.17 17:26:00 -
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No.
First, we don't need WoWish childness in grim reality of EvE, second - its doesn't make any sense from logical (roleplay) point. |

Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
548
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Posted - 2012.07.17 17:27:00 -
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Ginseng Jita wrote:Karak Terrel wrote:No,
because then it is formal and i can already hear the noobs 2 months later crying for instanced fights because the other guy last night had a friend with a logi "...and that is clearly an exploit to a system that was invented for 1v1 PvP..."
No No No No! You know, it wouldn't be hard to code the inability to rep someone in a duel. Just make it so that isn't possible - you know.
You'd think they would have done this ages ago to deal with nuetral RR's and wardecs......
This whole thread is bad. You want a canless duel, go to nullsec. |

Roime
Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance
957
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Posted - 2012.07.17 17:29:00 -
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I vote for biomass. Shiva Furnace - now recruiting solid pilots! |

Karak Terrel
As Far As The eYe can see Chained Reactions
116
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Posted - 2012.07.17 17:29:00 -
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Ginseng Jita wrote:Karak Terrel wrote:No,
because then it is formal and i can already hear the noobs 2 months later crying for instanced fights because the other guy last night had a friend with a logi "...and that is clearly an exploit to a system that was invented for 1v1 PvP..."
No No No No! You know, it wouldn't be hard to code the inability to rep someone in a duel. Just make it so that isn't possible - you know.
See, my 2 months where actually 2minutes. To scam someone during a 1v1 is essential. I would not play this game if i didn't had the possibility to do such things or that such things happen to me. |

stoicfaux
1251
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Posted - 2012.07.17 17:32:00 -
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+1, but no private instance. Having the computers shut off the weapons before exploding would be spiffy.
It would open the sandbox up to entrepreneurs (i.e. players) holding tournaments and whatnot instead of relying on CCP to provide such content.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Thomas Kreshant
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
121
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Posted - 2012.07.17 17:35:00 -
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THE L0CK wrote:Why fix what isn't broke. The can's have worked just as well as your little button for the past decade without the worry of seeing 20 pop ups from the spazmatic wonder over yonder.
The can trick won't work when they introduce the new crime watch changes, if you loot someones can aka commit any type of crime you go flashy to every single person in eve.
The duel button would be to allow those people doing competitions like the Eve Radio types to hold their frig/dessie fights without getting blapped by 30 people nearby I guess. |
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MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
470
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Posted - 2012.07.17 17:36:00 -
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Ccp already confirmed a few months ago they are working on it as part of crimewatch 2.0... PLEX FOR PIZZA! -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |

Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2055
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Posted - 2012.07.17 17:37:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:+1, but no private instance. Having the computers shut off the weapons before exploding would be spiffy.
It would open the sandbox up to entrepreneurs (i.e. players) holding tournaments and whatnot instead of relying on CCP to provide such content.
Players already hold tournaments.
Seriously people, leave highsec and you'll start understanding just how limiting all the silly rules in there are. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |

ArmyOfMe
Omniscient Order
96
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Posted - 2012.07.17 17:38:00 -
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well i wouldnt mind the idea tbh. Im quite sure Concord would be able to both protect and host a pvp league or something like that  Suleiman Shouaa> And you still think you're taking risks? NightmareX> I do. I take risks every day. But i do whatever i can to make sure i'm not ending up in a loss.
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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
109
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Posted - 2012.07.17 17:43:00 -
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Quote:Dueling Button - would you like to see one?
No. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing. |

Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
112
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Posted - 2012.07.17 17:43:00 -
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Ginseng Jita wrote:Elvis Fett wrote:Your idea is not going to be received well. It has been suggested before and shot down before. Arena combat has little place in EVE is the general consensus.
Why is dueling so bad?
It isn't. I don't understand the view that it's somehow out of place. It sounds like a great sub-game to me and a lot of people who don't engage in PvP would do so with something like this implemented. This would be an added feature, not a feature somehow replacing traditional scam or gank PvP. |

Gaia Ma'chello
V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief
16
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Posted - 2012.07.17 17:45:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:Ccp already confirmed a few months ago they are working on it as part of crimewatch 2.0... Yes they did. But there will be no "stopping before ship destruction and winner declared". It will be just like now when two players drop cans and steal. Ships will explode.
What is not known is the actual game mechanic, or if it will allow 3 way matches, or fleet matches. |

Kuehnelt
Devoid Privateering
137
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Posted - 2012.07.17 17:52:00 -
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Ginseng Jita wrote:So would anyone be open to the ideal of a "Dueling Button" ? All it would do is flag each participant is an temporary enemy and allow for the players to shoot it out - but only to the point of almost destruction. You can't pod your opponent. Before you can destroy their ship both parties weapons are made inoperable and a winner is declared.
Is this a bad idea
It is a bad idea.
First, why 'almost destruction'? I'd like duels to destruction. Why "can't pod"? I'd like duels in which the defeated are podded out of the arena. Why should a winner be 'declared'? Maybe the victor used an illegal tactic? Maybe the loser was disconnected? I'd like to have a human judge, with all of the "that guy obviously won and the judges are ******* lying" potential drama. Speaking of which, I'd like no-ECM duels. Also, 3v3 duels in which T2 and deadspace mods are prohibited. But you have to fit a point, of course - actually, some duels, if you warp away you're declared the victor. Others, if you warp out you're destroyed. Also, 3v3v3v3v3 arena battles in which the last party standing gets all the loot and wrecks. I'd like logi. I'd like it if a recon could decloak in the middle of the arena and light a cyno, with the game called on account of everyone died. Not every time, though. Maybe a 5% chance of the arena not being cyno jammed?
OK, CCP, implement all of that. Make it the key feature of the next expansion, give it its own unique rules and game mechanics that have almost nothing to do with the rest of EVE. And if the release could have a giant exploit in the form of an ill-considered "award insurance well above platinum to those who lose ships" 'carebear' mode, that would be cool, too. This is a sandbox, after all. |

THE L0CK
Denying You Access
637
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Posted - 2012.07.17 17:56:00 -
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Thomas Kreshant wrote:THE L0CK wrote:Why fix what isn't broke. The can's have worked just as well as your little button for the past decade without the worry of seeing 20 pop ups from the spazmatic wonder over yonder. The can trick won't work when they introduce the new crime watch changes, if you loot someones can aka commit any type of crime you go flashy to every single person in eve. The duel button would be to allow those people doing competitions like the Eve Radio types to hold their frig/dessie fights without getting blapped by 30 people nearby I guess.
You know........ the universe is a very big place. Lots of places where such events can take place.
This would be a huge boon for gankers, just sit outside of 4-4 and spam and wait for misclicks. No more worries about sec hits or lost ships. Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |

Gaia Ma'chello
V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief
16
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Posted - 2012.07.17 17:59:00 -
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THE L0CK wrote:
This would be a huge boon for gankers, just sit outside of 4-4 and spam and wait for misclicks. No more worries about sec hits or lost ships.
My guess is there will be an auto-reject that will be set to active by default. |

DuKackBoon
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.07.17 18:00:00 -
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No. It already exists. It's called "Jettison". |
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Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
548
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Posted - 2012.07.17 18:11:00 -
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Gaia Ma'chello wrote:
Edit: The reason dueling or arenas are disliked by many is the fear it will siphon players away from the forms of PvP combat currently in the game, like low sec roams or FW. Those traditional forms will then die from lack of participation.
Its not clear that will happen. It may siphon off some players, but it may introduce others to PvP, and make them want more.
Steal what people? The people who are already dueling? [looks out of the Dodi windows]. Yep still there. If they are in low or null sec what would be the point of going back to high to accomplish the exact same task that they were already performing. FW didn't exactly cause that big of a dent, nor did WH space, so why would the introduction of a already implemented function change anything? |

Cede Forster
Graffa
7
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Posted - 2012.07.17 18:25:00 -
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Counter proposal:
How about fist fights against enemy pilots after your ships explodes / you eject. Just add some big boxing gloves on the Capsule and make it a minigame (big red button, each time you press it you hit, first pilot with 100 hits wins).
If it goes well you could add trainable space animals that can fight against each other and possible Panda shaped spaceships.
on another thought:
you know what game needs a duel button? Hello Kitty Online. |

Rudgier Thorrin
CBC Interstellar Fidelas Constans
15
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Posted - 2012.07.17 18:44:00 -
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Cede Forster wrote:Counter proposal:
How about fist fights against enemy pilots after your ships explodes / you eject. Just add some big boxing gloves on the Capsule and make it a minigame (big red button, each time you press it you hit, first pilot with 100 hits wins).
If it goes well you could add trainable space animals that can fight against each other and possible Panda shaped spaceships.
on another thought:
you know what game needs a duel button? Hello Kitty Online.
I support this idea and would like to subscribe to your newsletter for future hilarity.
OP - if you want duels or fair fights join RvB, I hear they do this kind of thing a lot. A "Duel button" would simply be another way to grief newbies.
Also - this thread made me want a pony-shaped starship. > Implying I need a signature |

Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
1637
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Posted - 2012.07.17 18:50:00 -
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Ginseng Jita wrote:but only to the point of almost destruction. You can't pod your opponent. Before you can destroy their ship both parties weapons are made inoperable and a winner is declared. If you hate the ideal - tell me to go biomass. 
No, booming is required. So: go biomass. 
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Ginseng Jita
PAN-EVE TRADING COMPANY
1534
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Posted - 2012.07.17 18:51:00 -
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Rudgier Thorrin wrote:
A "Duel button" would simply be another way to grief newbies.
Really...explain? |

Hiyora Akachi
Bling Ring Tax Evaders
14
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Posted - 2012.07.17 18:52:00 -
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EvE's duel button is the jet can.
Throw one out and then smash whoever takes the item inside. Screw not blowing them up, blowing **** up is one of the many points of EvE. |

Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
33
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Posted - 2012.07.17 18:56:00 -
[47] - Quote
Akirei Scytale wrote:This idea is about as out of place in EVE as a "summon magical love ponies" button.
I would be ok with this button.  |

Wu Jiaqiu
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
32
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Posted - 2012.07.17 18:59:00 -
[48] - Quote
Eve must have risk. If that player was garaunteed safety...say...a situation where a guy is pissed at someone else in a different corp in high sec and he wants to 'duel' his pimped Vargur and stop at structure, only he doesnt want to stop at structure. |

Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
33
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Posted - 2012.07.17 19:01:00 -
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As an alternative. I think you should have to dial for CONCORD, not have them automatically show up and blast the aggressor. And to make it interesting, throw up a CAPTCHA to complete the call.
I realize that all the bots and afkers will rage ... well .. rage on. |

Vol Arm'OOO
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
14
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Posted - 2012.07.17 19:02:00 -
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What I would like to see is something a little more in keeping with eve -- a memorandum of aggression. The idea is to use the contract system already in eve to allow players to define combat engagements i.e. number of combatants, ship types, involved systems, length of engagement, isk betting, etc. . . Basically the way i see it, any two players or groups of players who want to engage in mutual combat could enter into a contract which defines the scope of their engagement. Once the contract is executed, the parties that are apart of it at the time of signing receive aggro to each other according to the terms of the contract. Of course this will all happen in the eve world so outside interference should always be a possibility. |
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Kyle Ward
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
235
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Posted - 2012.07.17 19:04:00 -
[51] - Quote
Its a good idea. With CrimeWatch coming can-duels will probably be going to way of the dinosaur which would be pretty lame. Can-duels were some of my best (and worst, BECAUSE OF FALCON) fights I've ever had. Not to even mention tournaments, which are just the best.
It doesn't need to be anything fancy, just Right-Click>Request Duel/Hit Accept/10 Second Count-Down/Pew-Pew
It shouldn't be any more than a request mutual aggression button though, since as much as I hate neutral RR, thats kinda what makes EVE EVE. The Sandbox, you're playing it wrong! |

MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
471
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Posted - 2012.07.17 19:28:00 -
[52] - Quote
Gaia Ma'chello wrote:MeBiatch wrote:Ccp already confirmed a few months ago they are working on it as part of crimewatch 2.0... Yes they did. But there will be no "stopping before ship destruction and winner declared". It will be just like now when two players drop cans and steal. Ships will explode. What is not known is the actual game mechanic, or if it will allow 3 way matches, or fleet matches. Edit: The reason dueling or arenas are disliked by many is the fear it will siphon players away from the forms of PvP combat currently in the game, like low sec roams or FW. Those traditional forms will then die from lack of participation. Its not clear that will happen. It may siphon off some players, but it may introduce others to PvP, and make them want more.
well thats the thing though right? its taking something that players are having to work around to do... (like poses back on 05) and making them a feature in game...
thats all they are doing is taking the can flip mechanic and making it a formal feature in eve... oh with purdy stats and stuffz
PLEX FOR PIZZA! -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |

Gaia Ma'chello
V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief
17
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Posted - 2012.07.17 20:26:00 -
[53] - Quote
If they do implement a "challenge to duel" right click option, I assume neutral RR will get a "suspect" flag. So having a few escort ships around monitoring the duel will tend to limit such activity. |

Jayrendo Karr
Suns Of Korhal Terran Commonwealth
192
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Posted - 2012.07.17 20:29:00 -
[54] - Quote
It would be interesting but other players would still have the ability to interfere, and loser must either run or have ship destroyed. Reeally it would mean that someone doesn't want concord intervention when engaged with a certain player. It would be a way to get rid of the stupid cans for dueling. |

None ofthe Above
300
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Posted - 2012.07.17 20:33:00 -
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DuKackBoon wrote:No. It already exists. It's called "Jettison".
I think OP has a point.
In addition, the proposed changes in Crimewatch will break Jettison as a dueling mechanism. If the changes go out as currently discussed, the "thief" will have the "suspect" flag and therefore open season for everyone for a short period (similar to the aggression countdown). This will kill jet-can dueling in high sec.
So no; that will no longer do the job.
Also anyone repping anyone who is in a war or has the "suspect" flag is also suspect, taking care of that.
I think there is value in setting up 1v1 dueling. Maybe on right click, propose duel? With an except dialog? Mini wardecs (repping someone in a duel setting suspect flag for the repper, open question how fleets and boosters would work).
CCP devs have mentioned the dueling as a possibility before, most recently Greyscale during ATX commentary. I think it does a fine job of replacing the loss of jetcan dueling.
I am not sure about arenas (as a possible addition, they certainly shouldn't be the default case) and against instances (although one might think combat simulators would be possible with this technology), but the OP preserves something that is already part of EVE but is in danger of being lost.
Supported +1 A little moderation of the moderation? CCP & CCL please reply to: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1552432#post1552432
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Ginger Barbarella
State War Academy Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2012.07.17 20:35:00 -
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A horrible "ideal". You want duels? Check out Aion... Played that game last year for one week free, felt glad to uninstall it. |

Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2071
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Posted - 2012.07.17 20:37:00 -
[57] - Quote
Ginger Barbarella wrote:A horrible "ideal". You want duels? Check out Aion... Played that game last year for one week free, felt glad to uninstall it.
Oh man, Aion.
I knew the devs for that game were mentally deficient the moment I noticed they had snareless melee classes, multi-escape ranged classes, and attacks rooting you in place. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |

YuuKnow
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Posted - 2012.07.17 20:38:00 -
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Memories of Star Wars Galaxies arise...
*shudders*
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Shameless Avenger
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Posted - 2012.07.17 20:39:00 -
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Ginseng Jita wrote:Emperor Salazar wrote:Drop a can. Really....really... 
at Jita, Rens or Dodixie undock. We are not kidding, do it do it do it.
Don't forget to label it 1vs1. "This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro" ~ The Story of the Ninja |

Forum Foreplay
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.17 21:20:00 -
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No, terrible idea, then the next thing is people would want 1v1 balanced and that would basically trash the concept of ships for roles in fleets.
1v1 would ruin EvE, if people want that kind of PvP they should be playing a FPS.
Even a sandbox has borders to keep the sand inside...
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MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.07.17 21:43:00 -
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Forum Foreplay wrote:No, terrible idea, then the next thing is people would want 1v1 balanced and that would basically trash the concept of ships for roles in fleets.
1v1 would ruin EvE, if people want that kind of PvP they should be playing a FPS.
dont tell forum foreplay about can flipping or hell be real angry...
PLEX FOR PIZZA! -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |

Zowie Powers
Hole in the wall
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Posted - 2012.07.17 21:52:00 -
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If alliances can break the 4th wall to teleport to a tournament in jove space, I see no reason why "Dodixie's Finest" can't do exactly the same with their alleged "1v1"s --- ATX: The best of the rest. |

Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
705
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Posted - 2012.07.17 22:17:00 -
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Ginseng Jita wrote:Elvis Fett wrote:Your idea is not going to be received well. It has been suggested before and shot down before. Arena combat has little place in EVE is the general consensus.
Why is dueling so bad?
First of all, EVE ships aren't balanced around 1v1 or 5v5 or 10v10 or whatever "fair" scenario. They are balanced around fleet fights where your options include running away, reshipping, or bringing in reinforcements. This is evidenced by all the additional rules CCP has to add to the AT every year to make it marginally entertaining. Either you would end up with completely unbalanced duels (and the forum shitstorms to go with it), or CCP would have to balance ships around them and in turn break alliance warfare.
Second, any implementation going even a step further than "agreed upon mutual aggression timer" breaks the basis EVE has been built upon, that nowhere in space you are completely safe. Any kind of protection or enforced guarantee of a "fair" fight has the potential to be exploited to no end.
Dueling might sound like fun, but it doesn't really make sense in the big picture of EVE. Imagine a Counter Strike match that is played on an infinite flat plane with only two people starting ten feet from one another. Imagine a LoL game with no creeps, no bases, just two max level heroes dueling against each other. Sure, it has some elements common with the original game, but at the same time it is a completely different experience that just doesn't belong. |

Mallak Azaria
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Posted - 2012.07.17 22:19:00 -
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No. |
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ISD TYPE40
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.07.17 22:21:00 -
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Topic "Dueling Button - would you like to see one?" moved to Features and Ideas - ISD Type40
ISD Type40 Ensign Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.07.17 22:38:00 -
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want permission based pvp?
Sisi this way >>>> |

Kusum Fawn
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.18 05:10:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:This idea is about as out of place in EVE as a "summon magical love ponies" button. +1 for magical love ponies button Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time.
Ships to goo calc - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=107898 |

Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2012.07.18 15:50:00 -
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Reasons why I really dislike this idea:
1.) You don't blow up your opponent.... WTF.... really??? That little "Concord forces us to stop in structure" addendum is an instant "HELL NO". EvE is about risks. Whenever you engage in combat, the least you should risk is your ship!!!
2.) I'm not opposed to an easier way to setup a duel, that doesn't require dropping cans.... but it should also be dangerous... I like it when people can use fleet boosts, Nuetral RR, and have corp mates warp in to violate the fight... This allows fights to escallate into full out fights.... which is a good thing.... even if it does mean some people just get ganked... |

Astroniomix
Thorn Project Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2012.07.18 16:28:00 -
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Gizznitt Malikite wrote: Reasons why I really dislike this idea:
1.) You don't blow up your opponent.... WTF.... really??? That little "Concord forces us to stop in structure" addendum is an instant "HELL NO". EvE is about risks. Whenever you engage in combat, the least you should risk is your ship!!!
You forgot the part where some ships (looking at you, ranis) have the majority of their ehp in structure. |

Shameless Avenger
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Posted - 2012.07.24 20:45:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:As an alternative. I think you should have to dial for CONCORD, not have them automatically show up and blast the aggressor. And to make it interesting, throw up a CAPTCHA to complete the call.
I realize that all the bots and afkers will rage ... well .. rage on.
*Victim calls on the phone*
Concord GM - "CCP-911 what's your emergency?" Victim - Hello, I'm being ganked, shields are gone! Concord GM - Please remain calm sir. I can not understand you if you are screaming. On what system are you located? Victim - I'm in Perimeter, at the Jita gate... hurry, I'm half armor now! Concord GM - Did you said you are in Jita, at the Perimeter gate? Victim - No! In P*E*R*I*M*E*T*E*R! At the J*I*T*A gate! Concord GM - Sir, it's difficult to understand you if you are screaming. Please calm down. Victim - The ship blew up! Now my POD is scrambled & webbed!!!! Concord GM - I still can't understand you sir... hold on while I use a locator agent to get your location... *Victim is placed on hold* Concord GM - We are back sir, our records show you are not currently engaged on any fights. The agent tells me you are in the Kisogo system and by the way, you need to update your clone. Please hang up, this line is for emergencies only.
"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro" ~ The Story of the Ninja |
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Shereza
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.24 22:14:00 -
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I'm not a PvP'er and I rather abhor "dueling" in most MMOs (well, technically all MMOs since I haven't found one where "dueling" is useful much less fun), but I would like to see some methods implemented for structured PvP that don't rely solely on player interaction. I'm sure that a bunch of the anarchist fruitcakes in this topic are going to bash me for suggesting that, and by calling them the anarchist fruitcakes that they are I probably guaranteed it, but adding options to the game to encourage more and more varied PvP is not a bad thing.
Making suggestions about introducing structured PvP environments and scenarios into the game isn't about taking PvP out of low-sec or null-sec, it isn't about forcing CCP to balance the game or even individual ships around 1v1 combat, and it isn't about keeping people "safe" from the consequences of their actions. It's about getting more people to PvP period. People who don't engage in low or null-sec PvP because either they can't or won't fly in blobs, regardless of whether or not they actually need to, and won't engage in high-sec PvP because war-decs are too free-for-all and "dueling" as-is is usually, in their opinion, a scam. People who might want to engage in a constellation-wide game of laser tag with real lasers and 2-3 5-man fleets without CONCORD or other people interfering. People who might otherwise hide out in high-sec or protected null-sec being carebears until their eyes bleed and they quit EVE because the current "pretty much all or nothing with absolutely no rules ever anywhere" methods of PvP don't provide any real ground for PvP that's midway between intra-corp "practice" PvP and what goes on in the rest of the game.
/shrugs. I probably wouldn't participate in any of that, I'm straight up a carebear, but I still think that seeing structured PvP introduced into the game can't help but be an overall positive influence by encouraging people who currently don't PvP for various reasons to re-evaluate their stance on the subject and perhaps eventually even get into "real" PvP.
Hell, at the very least it could introduce another economic factor into the game. If betting and sponsoring were thrown in as well folks could sponsor small-scale PvP tournaments to look for new recruits, and individuals or groups could engage in structured PvP in a betting-enabled environment to make a portion of the bet money as profit. If they win of course.
Of course I'd also like to see assassination contracts introduced as well where you pay a hefty bribe (say 250m) to CONCORD to look the other way when the contract holder attacks the target along with a standard contract fee for the assassin's work. Place a 500m assassination contract on someone and CONCORD gets their 250m cut and upon completion of the hit the assassin gets 250m. Hell, for that matter just skip the CONCORD permission part and just leave it as "any losses due to CONCORD interference are your responsibility." |

FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks The Marmite Collective
2023
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Posted - 2012.07.24 22:24:00 -
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With the information we have on crimewatch, such a system will be the only way consensual combat will happen in highsec without wars.
I'd suggest a fleet-style interface where people can be invited to join, at which point they select either Fleet A or Fleet 1. Once the fleets are set up and everyone has hit the Agree button (which will be cleared if the fleets are changed) then the two groups gain aggression against each other and can fight it out. To prevent griefing, a player should be able to quit the fight at any time, though normal aggression rules would persist and they'd have to wait out a 15 minute aggression timer to all opponents before being free and clear. That way you can't bail out of a fight just because you're tackled and losing.
No arenas. No magical deadspace pockets for the fight. You fight in normal space under normal rules. It just simplifies the arrangement of aggression and enables solo and small gang fights without stupid stunts.
edit: this would allow the use of neutral logi in highsec combat without them getting suspect flags, they would just have to be legal combatants in the fight. The Skunkworks is recruiting. -áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1540711#post1540711 |

FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks The Marmite Collective
2023
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Posted - 2012.07.24 22:28:00 -
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Shameless Avenger wrote:Sentamon wrote:As an alternative. I think you should have to dial for CONCORD, not have them automatically show up and blast the aggressor. And to make it interesting, throw up a CAPTCHA to complete the call.
I realize that all the bots and afkers will rage ... well .. rage on. *Victim calls on the phone* Concord GM - "CCP-911 what's your emergency?" Victim - Hello, I'm being ganked, shields are gone! Concord GM - Please remain calm sir. I can not understand you if you are screaming. On what system are you located? Victim - I'm in Perimeter, at the Jita gate... hurry, I'm half armor now! Concord GM - Did you said you are in Jita, at the Perimeter gate? Victim - No! In P*E*R*I*M*E*T*E*R! At the J*I*T*A gate! Concord GM - Sir, it's difficult to understand you if you are screaming. Please calm down. Victim - The ship blew up! Now my POD is scrambled & webbed!!!! Concord GM - I still can't understand you sir... hold on while I use a locator agent to get your location... *Victim is placed on hold* Concord GM - We are back sir, our records show you are not currently engaged on any fights. The agent tells me you are in the Kisogo system and by the way, you need to update your clone. Please hang up, this line is for emergencies only. More like:
Concord: "Concord police, what is your emergency?" Victim: "I'm under attack! Please help!" Concord: "I'm sorry sir, but our logs show no record of you being in combat." Victim: "My ship blew up!" Concord: "I'm sorry to hear that sir, but without evidence in the logs, Concord is unable to assist you." Victim: "Oh god they got my pod too!" Concord: "Have a good day, sir. Fly safe!" The Skunkworks is recruiting. -áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1540711#post1540711 |

Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
282
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Posted - 2012.07.24 22:59:00 -
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you mean a button that auto drops a jetcan with a taunt added to the name? [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/consultsig.jpg[/IMG] |
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