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Lucas Schuyler
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Posted - 2010.06.24 17:01:00 -
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 Originally by: Jurai Talar
What if it's a system where you train a skill to level x and then you can "pull out" that skill from your brain, package it up and sell it on the market as a "trained lvl x skill."
OMG let the Alt Training Farms begin. That might even be worse 
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Ludacrys
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Posted - 2010.06.24 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Ludacrys
Why all the hate for learning skills?
They are entirely useless meta-gameplay that serves absolutely no purpose beyond stalling new players when it comes to entering the game.
isnt that exactly the same for all skills?
what about attribute implants? Arent they useless meta-gameplay (whatever that means)
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Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2010.06.24 17:02:00 -
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Originally by: Jurai Talar
What if it's a system where you train a skill to level x and then you can "pull out" that skill from your brain, package it up and sell it on the market as a "trained lvl x skill."
Pulling out never works.
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Originally by: CCP Fallout
Been there. Done that. Need antibiotics.
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Takseen
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Posted - 2010.06.24 17:02:00 -
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Originally by: Jurai Talar
What if it's a system where you train a skill to level x and then you can "pull out" that skill from your brain, package it up and sell it on the market as a "trained lvl x skill."
Yes, then the other players could buy them and "inject" them into their brains. It would be like some sort of ready made "skill book". Excellent new idea there.
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Necronous
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Posted - 2010.06.24 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Jurai Talar
What if it's a system where you train a skill to level x and then you can "pull out" that skill from your brain, package it up and sell it on the market as a "trained lvl x skill."
Looks like someones been playing Project Entropia / Entropia Universe / Planet Calpyso ... or whatever its current name is.
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Mael Sechnaill
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Posted - 2010.06.24 17:04:00 -
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Since the Tyrannis downtime, everyone should've been prepared for this. I did put a 4 day long skill into the training queue before the server went down, and was praying that the transition will not take that long. I am pleasntly surprised by the fact that servers are online again.
The extra skillpoints are welcome too. :D
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Amanda Star
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Posted - 2010.06.24 17:04:00 -
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Well I feel Eve has done well over the years with the expected trip here and there but nothing major to kill the game. I think anything CCP does on a grand scale will be examined from all angles before going ahead and doing something that could end Eve in a few weeks and send players to the forums carrying tourches and pitch forks.
CCP wants to make money, not kill and eat their cash cow.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.06.24 17:05:00 -
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Originally by: Takseen
Originally by: Jurai Talar
What if it's a system where you train a skill to level x and then you can "pull out" that skill from your brain, package it up and sell it on the market as a "trained lvl x skill."
Yes, then the other players could buy them and "inject" them into their brains. It would be like some sort of ready made "skill book". Excellent new idea there.
Yeah and that won't be stupendiously abused by multiple account holders. Oh hai I've been playing for 6 months and can fly titans.
Originally by: Balsak
Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
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Felix Esperium
Lysergic Distortions Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.06.24 17:07:00 -
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Will all the learning skill removal people be happy when they are training at a much slower rate? Or do they assume CCP will remove the skills and adjust everyone's attributes accordingly?
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Ludacrys
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Posted - 2010.06.24 17:09:00 -
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i think they expect CCP will give everyone +10 on all attributes
they are obviously ******ed and should start training learning skills
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.06.24 17:11:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 24/06/2010 17:12:13
Originally by: Felix Esperium
Or do they assume CCP will remove the skills and adjust everyone's attributes accordingly?
If they didn't adjust the attributes, there wouldn't be any need for the whole "pay back SP in learning skills" rigamarole, because those SP will have already paid themselves back ages agoà
So yes. Originally by: Ludacrys
i think they expect CCP will give everyone +10 on all attributes
No. The expectation is actually around 12 or so.
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Jurai Talar
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Posted - 2010.06.24 17:11:00 -
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Originally by: Necronous
Originally by: Jurai Talar
What if it's a system where you train a skill to level x and then you can "pull out" that skill from your brain, package it up and sell it on the market as a "trained lvl x skill."
Looks like someones been playing Project Entropia / Entropia Universe / Planet Calpyso ... or whatever its current name is.
Actually, I've never played that game. I was just trying to think of a feasible way that CCP could implement a SP transfer system. For the record, I would not be happy with such a system. Perhaps if the bought skills decayed over time? Then, you could buy some skills to temporarily try out a new ship or use it for an occasional purpose. (gotta move all my all my stuff again, better buy Gal Industrial V)
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starbar
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Posted - 2010.06.24 17:11:00 -
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Originally by: Felix Esperium
Will all the learning skill removal people be happy when they are training at a much slower rate? Or do they assume CCP will remove the skills and adjust everyone's attributes accordingly?
You sir, may have hit the nail on the head.
Might people be willing to rid themselves of learning skills and have a lower learning speed, just to reallocate those measly 5M skillpoints? CCP wins no matter what. Instead of that plex going to time, every so often, perhaps one goes to skills now and then, eh?
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Felix Esperium
Lysergic Distortions Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.06.24 17:13:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
because those SP will have already paid themselves back ages agoà
What if I just trained them a week ago?
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Jennifer Fenring
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.06.24 17:15:00 -
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I bet this is a test for the removal of learning skills and givng the peopel who already trained them a SP repay ^^
Keep up the good work CCP!
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Guttripper
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2010.06.24 17:17:00 -
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I feel people are making more of this bonus skill points than what CCP intends to release. How I read their blog,
"In gratitude for your patience, we will give an extra pool of skillpoints to all accounts (paying and trial) that were active at the beginning of this downtime, on one character per account."
Very similar to when CCP gave away the shuttle a few years ago, except instead of a physical aspect, the skill points will be transferred directly into your total skill points.
"This skillpoint pool will be appropriately sized for the downtime time frame, universal across all accounts regardless of character attributes/implants and may be applied as each player wants."
Thus most likely the points are given at a maximum rate based upon a character having the highest of high attribute points and implants +5 installed. So either a newbie or a character already maxed out - all characters for a specific amount of time; a thirty hour downtime minus the original six hour stated will be one twenty-four hour maximum addition to your total skill point total.
I doubt it will be anything more than a speed bonus.
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AterraX
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.06.24 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: Dawne Xi
First thing I thought of when I read about this skill point pool was ... This is how they plan on getting rid of learning skills without making the older players upset who've trained them... Give everyone a skill point pool to spend for the learning skills you've trained in the past, when they finally get rid of them like they've been talking about for years.
I seriously doubt they are about to let us buy SP's.
Remove my learning skills, and I'll be ****ing upset...not matter what "lollipop" they offer as a surrogate...
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Shinnen
Caldari
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises
Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2010.06.24 17:18:00 -
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Something along the lines of skill point remap?
Either that, or we're blowing this out of proportion and we'll get a 100k SP to allocate anywhere we'd like, and that's it.
The gift could be a shuttle or frigate of some kind, who knows.
Perhaps space "party poppers" like the snowballs?
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.06.24 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: AterraX
Remove my learning skills, and I'll be ****ing upset...not matter what "lollipop" they offer as a surrogate...
Free SP to spend elsewhere as you see fit? No need to ever train them higher (or again, if you want to use alts)?
What's there to be upset about?
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you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
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Guttripper
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2010.06.24 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Free SP to spend elsewhere as you see fit? No need to ever train them higher (or again, if you want to use alts)?
What's there to be upset about?
Can I get a 1.6 million skill point speed bonus like new characters get today? When I started almost four years ago, I only had around 80,000 skill points given to me. Oh yes, all the goodies in terms of modules, ships, and skill books given to the new players running the starting missions I would like to have freely given to me too (even though I have no use for them, but still - if they can get it for free, then I want free stuff too (similar to free attribute points for doing squat)). All I got when I started was an Ibis and a kick in the ass to go into that "cold, dark, harsh universe" and make a name for myself.
Or how about letting me keep my ten attribute points per stat and get ten more like everyone else is clamoring for, so I'll still be ten attribute points per stat higher than those that did not learn the Learning skills?
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rowbin hod
Cloak and Daggers
Honourable Templum of Alcedonia
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Posted - 2010.06.24 17:32:00 -
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tl:dr I hope CCP are intriducing SPs as rewards for things ingame (with appropriate balance, of course)
OMG, I hope this means what I hope it means.
For ages I've been trying to think of a way that players could be rewarded in game (eg for missions) that isn't just something you can buy. Where's the incentive to go through an epic arc if you can just buy the reward by spending time doing something easier/funner.
I'd thought of something like a skillbook "implant" into your head so that it can't be traded, but I think CCP is eluding to a similar thing with give SPs as rewards for something.
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Daemonspirit
Redhawk Tribal Trust
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Posted - 2010.06.24 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: Dawne Xi
First thing I thought of when I read about this skill point pool was ... This is how they plan on getting rid of learning skills without making the older players upset who've trained them... Give everyone a skill point pool to spend for the learning skills you've trained in the past, when they finally get rid of them like they've been talking about for years.
I seriously doubt they are about to let us buy SP's.
I don't pray often, but right now, I'm praying hard that your right...
No hope though... The instant gratification kids (read dust 514 which *will* have micro-transactions) will be fed their pablum...
Please CCP, let it just be Learning skills and *not* SP purchase...
OTOH - I can normally do 1 extra shift of OT / Week = 2/payperiod = approx. US $700.00/two weeks before taxes... I could cap all those "annoying" lvl V's I've been putting off... and new players would fall further behind...
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Barakkus
Spacelane Innovation
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Posted - 2010.06.24 17:35:00 -
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How much you want to bet they are intending on letting us unlearn some **** we mistakenly trained and have no use for with this new skillpoint distribution thingy?
Originally by: CCP Dropbear
rofl
edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
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Marchocias
Silent Ninja's
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Posted - 2010.06.24 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: Raziphan Rebular
So far the best thing I can think of that goes along with such a statement is this.
They are removing learning skills and reimbursing everyone the SP they trained into them, plus adjusting attributes so that they are not effected by said change.
This is what I had thought - they're putting in place system that allows them to deprecate obsolete skills and reimburse players who have them.
I can't see them adding pay-for-skills, just because of the overwhelmingly negative response that current players automatically have to that idea.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.06.24 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: Barakkus
How much you want to bet they are intending on letting us unlearn some **** we mistakenly trained and have no use for with this new skillpoint distribution thingy?
Very little, since such a mechanic would either have to be veeeeery limited, or it would essentially completely obsolete the whole idea of having different attributes.
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you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
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Jurai Talar
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Posted - 2010.06.24 17:39:00 -
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Originally by: Shinnen
Something along the lines of skill point remap?
I think that is the most realistic guess I've heard. Such a system would likely use a "SP Pool" which this little SP Gift would utilize. Also, if they restrict it similar to Attribute Remaps and Jump Clones (limit the number of uses per time frame) then I don't think it could be abused and most players would be happy with a little additional flexiblity.
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Captain Muscles
Caldari
Clan Farthammer
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Posted - 2010.06.24 17:40:00 -
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This thread is where brain cells go to die.
Sadly, I can't stop posting in it. Guess this is where I belong.
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Barakkus
Spacelane Innovation
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Posted - 2010.06.24 17:40:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Barakkus
How much you want to bet they are intending on letting us unlearn some **** we mistakenly trained and have no use for with this new skillpoint distribution thingy?
Very little, since such a mechanic would either have to be veeeeery limited, or it would essentially completely obsolete the whole idea of having different attributes.
I'm talking about unlearning stuff like Mining V or Scrap Metal Reprocessing etc, which I don't see how that would have anything to do with your attributes aside from the learning skills.
Originally by: CCP Dropbear
rofl
edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
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AterraX
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.06.24 17:41:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: AterraX
Remove my learning skills, and I'll be ****ing upset...not matter what "lollipop" they offer as a surrogate...
Free SP to spend elsewhere as you see fit? No need to ever train them higher (or again, if you want to use alts)?
What's there to be upset about?
What is not to be upset about?
Just moving the 5.376.000 I have won't cut it.
I didn't train for full speed until I had them all at L5, that would need to be factored in too...if they are planning on giving new players +10 to stats instead.
And I liked that you didn't NEED to train them, but if you were serious about Eve it made sense to train the...for the long haul.
Just because EvE has gotten bigger is no reason to fall down to the ADHD WoW-like minions that whine if something actually takes efferot..and can't be done in less that 24 hours.
If you cave in for that idea, it's the slippery slope.
What will be next?
"Waaaaaaaaaaa, L4 skills take to long to train, nerf traning time..."
It's won't be pretty...so again, don't expect me to be happy about a **** poor plain number SP-reallocation...keep the learning skills...it might weed out the ADHD WoW types.
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Shaydun
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Posted - 2010.06.24 17:41:00 -
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Well stop worrying about little things , truth is that ccp made an effort to help the ones who missed out on training and it shows they care , so be happy even if you didn't miss on training as you will get even more out of it since you will also get the bonus wich means profit !
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