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dexington	Posted - 2010.06.24 17:50:00 - [91] Originally by: Vak'ran Quote: I hope that does not mean you can pay for skill points in the future :( This didnt occur to me, but this statement scares the bejezus out of me... ccp please put my paranoid mind at ease... Some types of alts characters are very close to being the same as buying skill points, or atleast faster learning rate. The only difference is that alt's can't boost the learning speed of primary skills.
Epicbeardman	Posted - 2010.06.24 17:52:00 - [92] Looks like they're preparing to remove some skills from the game and refunding players that trained them with skillpoints? SCREW YOU LEARNING!
llllSeraphimllll	Posted - 2010.06.24 17:54:00 - [93] Originally by: Shaydun Well stop worrying about little things , truth is that ccp made an effort to help the ones who missed out on training and it shows they care , so be happy even if you didn't miss on training as you will get even more out of it since you will also get the bonus wich means profit ! tata ...couldnt agree more. This is probably just a way to give out some SP to the players in this instance. Anything else is just speculation, i'm sure we'll get the whole picture soon enough. personally i'm really pleased about it, i only had 30hrs of skills queued on one of my accounts and so lost some training time, while it isn't the end of the world, this is still a very nice gesture! tyvm
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.06.24 17:54:00 - [94] Originally by: AterraX I didn't train for full speed until I had them all at L5, that would need to be factored in too...if they are planning on giving new players +10 to stats instead. Factored in how? I assume you also want compound interest and ROI on the extra ISK new players get these days from the new starter missions and tutorials? Originally by: Barakkus I'm talking about unlearning stuff like Mining V or Scrap Metal Reprocessing etc, which I don't see how that would have anything to do with your attributes aside from the learning skills. It removes the point of having attributes thus: You remap to max Int/Mem. You slap in the highest possible modifiers for those two attributes. You start to "mistakenly" train forà oh, I don't knowà Neurotoxin Recovery V. 20 days later, you have 1.28M SP that, GASP!, you didn't actually want, so you redistribute them to something far more useful, such as the Cha/Wil-based Wing Command. But oh no! Since the skill is back to 0, you "accidenally" started to train Neurotoxin Recovery to V again, and 20 days later you have 1.28M SP that you redistribute into what you really wanted, which was Command Ships V (Wil/Per-based)à repeat until win. End result, no matter what skill you're after, and no matter what attributes it's based on, you'll always train at max speed because you can just collect SP in a skill based on the two attributes you've maxed out and redistribute those later. Attributes have thus lost the only purpose they have: to determine your training speed. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Balsak Minmatar Friends of Bigfoot	Posted - 2010.06.24 18:03:00 - [95] Hopefully this new SP pool system they are working on is only to be used by the GMs to reimburse for skill removal such as learning skills or other skills which have no effect in game such as Black Market Trading. I really hope CCP does not allow people to just pick and choose which skills they wish to redistribute points (I honestly doubt they would allow this).
Fitz VonHeise Eye Bee Em Stellar Defense Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.24 18:04:00 - [96] Removing the Learning skills... What about people like me who spent billions on Level V learning implants to increase all my alts training skill speed? How will CCP factor in these implants?
Exordium8 Minmatar Hell's Horsemen -Mostly Harmless-	Posted - 2010.06.24 18:05:00 - [97] Originally by: CCP Shadow There are no microtransaction plans, whatsoever. Just an FYI --------------------------------- Pillage, then burn. Everything is air-droppable at least once. There is no 'overkill.' There is only 'open fire' and 'time to reload.
dexington	Posted - 2010.06.24 18:10:00 - [98] Originally by: Fitz VonHeise Removing the Learning skills... What about people like me who spent billions on Level V learning implants to increase all my alts training skill speed? How will CCP factor in these implants? Does it matter aslong as you keep learning with the same speed?
YarrMama	Posted - 2010.06.24 18:12:00 - [99] I like this. Now CCP will have a system in place to reimburse for future downtimes and crashes.
AterraX Caldari	Posted - 2010.06.24 18:14:00 - [100] Originally by: dexington Originally by: Fitz VonHeise Removing the Learning skills... What about people like me who spent billions on Level V learning implants to increase all my alts training skill speed? How will CCP factor in these implants? Does it matter aslong as you keep learning with the same speed? It does...EvE is a game where choices have pros and cons. Learning skills are just one set of many skills you don't NEED...but are nice to have...so you must make a choice. Stop dumbing EvE down, just because more and more ADHD players want it done. ____________________________________________________________________________________________________ Fact of EVE forums: They will always come an anounomys alt-toon and question someones character...

Boogie Bobby	Posted - 2010.06.24 18:14:00 - [101] Originally by: Fitz VonHeise Removing the Learning skills... What about people like me who spent billions on Level V learning implants to increase all my alts training skill speed? How will CCP factor in these implants? Why would they have to? No one's talking about removing attributes, just learning skills. This is all BS at this point too, no one knows anything. Your +5 would still give +5, nothing would change.
Nina Zypher	Posted - 2010.06.24 18:16:00 - [102] So Titan 5 will be cut down in half?
Nullity Gallente	Posted - 2010.06.24 18:18:00 - [103] I just want to post to reiterate the fact that adding in any form of microtransactions in EVE is a terrible idea. Don't even consider it, CCP.
dexington	Posted - 2010.06.24 18:25:00 - [104] Originally by: AterraX It does...EvE is a game where choices have pros and cons. Learning skills are just one set of many skills you don't NEED...but are nice to have...so you must make a choice. Stop dumbing EvE down, just because more and more ADHD players want it done. a little touchy about the learning skills are we? removing the learning skills have nothing to do with dumbing down eve, kinda sad if you found it challenge when you should train them. they are nothing more then a catalyst, and have no real impact on the game, the game would not change if they where removed.
Felix Esperium Lysergic Distortions Research and Development	Posted - 2010.06.24 18:34:00 - [105] Originally by: dexington the game would not change if they where removed. Again, you're assuming they would adjust attributes to keep skill training in line with the current rate. What if they don't? If you say that I have already received the benefit of learning faster, what if I trained them all to 5 and am not at the break-even point yet? Wouldn't I be getting screwed over?
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2010.06.24 18:36:00 - [106] Originally by: Felix Esperium Originally by: dexington the game would not change if they where removed. Again, you're assuming they would adjust attributes to keep skill training in line with the current rate. What if they don't? If you say that I have already received the benefit of learning faster, what if I trained them all to 5 and am not at the break-even point yet? Wouldn't I be getting screwed over? To the same extent as people who have trained for rockets, Assault frigates, Gallente ships/ewar, etc. CCP is fine with doing that to its players. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 Originally by: CCP Fallout Been there. Done that. Need antibiotics.
Felix Esperium Lysergic Distortions Research and Development	Posted - 2010.06.24 18:39:00 - [107] Originally by: Blane Xero To the same extent as people who have trained for rockets, Assault frigates, Gallente ships/ewar, etc. CCP is fine with doing that to its players. I assume that those will be fixed at some point in the future. Probably not soon but they aren't being removed from the game.
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2010.06.24 18:41:00 - [108] Originally by: Felix Esperium Originally by: Blane Xero To the same extent as people who have trained for rockets, Assault frigates, Gallente ships/ewar, etc. CCP is fine with doing that to its players. I assume that those will be fixed at some point in the future. Probably not soon but they aren't being removed from the game. Just like at some point in the future CCP will buff attributes to fix their massive scewup here. Course now we're both theorycrafting. Until the blog stating what the surprise is, i'll assume its as bad as Valves super awesome surprise which wasn't very awesome tbh. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 Originally by: CCP Fallout Been there. Done that. Need antibiotics.
Felix Esperium Lysergic Distortions Research and Development	Posted - 2010.06.24 18:45:00 - [109] Originally by: Blane Xero Just like at some point in the future CCP will buff attributes to fix their massive scewup here. Course now we're both theorycrafting. Until the blog stating what the surprise is, i'll assume its as bad as Valves super awesome surprise which wasn't very awesome tbh. If you go back to my first post that you quoted, I was responding to the guy saying that the game would not change in any way if this happened. If they need to fix a massive screw-up here, wouldn't that mean the game was being changed?
dexington	Posted - 2010.06.24 18:52:00 - [110] Originally by: Felix Esperium Originally by: dexington the game would not change if they where removed. Again, you're assuming they would adjust attributes to keep skill training in line with the current rate. What if they don't? If you say that I have already received the benefit of learning faster, what if I trained them all to 5 and am not at the break-even point yet? Wouldn't I be getting screwed over? No one knows know if CCP are going to remove the learning skills, but it seems most people are of the notion that learning will remain untouched until they can implement the change in a way the will be positive for both players with and without learning skills. I'm sure you can find lots of scenarios where you are getting screw by removing learning skills, but i don't think that's what CCP are looking if they really decide to remove the learning skills.

Felix Esperium Lysergic Distortions Research and Development	Posted - 2010.06.24 18:58:00 - [111] Originally by: dexington No one knows know if CCP are going to remove the learning skills, but it seems most people are of the notion that learning will remain untouched until they can implement the change in a way the will be positive for both players with and without learning skills. I'm sure you can find lots of scenarios where you are getting screw by removing learning skills, but i don't think that's what CCP are looking if they really decide to remove the learning skills. CCP should hire you for PR. I have very little faith in their ability to actually implement such a solution, but it sounds better like that.
Jennifer Fenring Amarr	Posted - 2010.06.24 19:02:00 - [112] Originally by: Fitz VonHeise Removing the Learning skills... What about people like me who spent billions on Level V learning implants to increase all my alts training skill speed? How will CCP factor in these implants? Implants will probably stay as they are, you still need to train Cyber V and buy them. You just get the SP spent on the learning skills and perhaps some ISK for the books.
Schmacos tryne	Posted - 2010.06.24 19:13:00 - [113] It's very simple; I have all learning skillz maxed and I gotz +5 implants. This gives me an advantage over other players bcoz i accumulate SP faster (yes it actually works as reward for 'learning' some skillz to the fullest). The people who wishes to see Learning skillz dissappear are people who lachs the dicipline to finnish something once and for all. There are perhaps a few exceptions ofcourse. but all in all we are talking about jealousy and nothing else. escpecialy now when all sorts of juicy charisma skills are hitting the market this kind of nagging flares up coz ppl have ignored this attribute due to it's uncoolness. I for one want's to keep my advantage over less diciplined players and wote a solid yes for learning skillz. in fact CCP you should concider the following: Add another layer of learning skillz which requieres all current learning skillz to be trained to 5 ...
Gavjack Bunk	Posted - 2010.06.24 19:14:00 - [114] Originally by: Exordium8 Originally by: CCP Shadow There are no microtransaction plans, whatsoever. Just an FYI Coming from the company that took over the ISK farming and selling cartels and started profitting from their blackmarkets, by selling in game items for real life cash, PLEX, I don't really have much faith in the spirit of the sentiment offered. They have pre-lied. -- On planets... nobody can see you macro mining...
Obyrith	Posted - 2010.06.24 19:14:00 - [115] If this is a hint that CCP plan to remove learning skills, I for one do not care whether the removal is exactly 'fair' or not - it's so long overdue that even a bad solution will just be something people whine about for a week and then will indisputably improve the game.
Felix Esperium Lysergic Distortions Research and Development	Posted - 2010.06.24 19:19:00 - [116] Originally by: Obyrith If this is a hint that CCP plan to remove learning skills, I for one do not care whether the removal is exactly 'fair' or not - it's so long overdue that even a bad solution will just be something people whine about for a week and then will indisputably improve the game. I will whine for at least as long as it took to train the skills I am getting screwed on. Also, please show how it will "indisputably" improve the game. Indisputably is a pretty big word to use on an opinion.
Allataria	Posted - 2010.06.24 19:25:00 - [117] I seriously doubt this means we can buy SP. What I think this will mean is a SP remap like our attributes where we can move SP from one skill that we dont need anymore or find useful to another skill to cut down training time. I would really like this as there are some skills I trained back when I was new to the game which I dont need now and would like to put towards the skills I am training towards now. If I trained for those SP it would only seem natural to allow me to reorganize them as how I see fit. It wouldnt break the game and it could have a yearly cooldown like the remap function now.
dexington	Posted - 2010.06.24 19:44:00 - [118] Originally by: Allataria I seriously doubt this means we can buy SP. What I think this will mean is a SP remap like our attributes where we can move SP from one skill that we dont need anymore or find useful to another skill to cut down training time. I would really like this as there are some skills I trained back when I was new to the game which I dont need now and would like to put towards the skills I am training towards now. If I trained for those SP it would only seem natural to allow me to reorganize them as how I see fit. It wouldnt break the game and it could have a yearly cooldown like the remap function now. To do that would properly require attributes to be removed, if not all training would be done with max speed all the time. If you would be able to remap skill point then training would have no consequence, you would be able to change weapons and ship as you please. Not really sure i like that idea.
democrities	Posted - 2010.06.24 19:51:00 - [119] for crying out loud people get ahold of yourselves. It never fails. I have played many many MMO games over the years and it seems they all have one thing in common, when ever the devs hint at some change in the way the game works, tons of players get on the forums and bemoan that the game will be dead, that this change will be the end of it all, etc. and you know what? In all those games I played, it never happened. The change went fine, the game went on, and the cycle began again for the next announced changed. MMOs by their nature are evolving games, constantly changing. I still say everyone is just speculating needlessly, but if these changes do happen, Eve will go on.
Adamantor	Posted - 2010.06.24 20:29:00 - [120] Originally by: AterraX Originally by: dexington Originally by: Fitz VonHeise Removing the Learning skills... What about people like me who spent billions on Level V learning implants to increase all my alts training skill speed? How will CCP factor in these implants? Does it matter aslong as you keep learning with the same speed? It does...EvE is a game where choices have pros and cons. Learning skills are just one set of many skills you don't NEED...but are nice to have...so you must make a choice. Stop dumbing EvE down, just because more and more ADHD players want it done. I agree - if indeed they're planning to remove learning skills, I think it would be a bad move. Learning skills offer choices for character development. EVE Races are already the same, your choice of race has no real impact on your character and removing learning skills would push more characters to the same level - again, removing a way for players to play the game (aka the sand box). Hopefully CCP adds more sand to the sand box, rather than removing it.



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