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Amun Khonsu Royal Order of Security Specialists	Posted - 2010.06.28 15:57:00 - [1] Edited by: Amun Khonsu on 28/06/2010 15:59:44 Originally by: Alica Wildfire Edited by: Alica Wildfire on 28/06/2010 11:38:09 Originally by: Revan Neferis Move on minmatar before you find more enemies than you would like to have at this point. I'm not defending you. You are a damn slaver and I will always fight your kind. I do not know you enough that I can say I hate you but damn me, I'm triggerhappy enough to shoot you on sight anyway, Nefris. And I'm also not defending Jade. I'm defending freedom and the right to love anyone you like. That the small loyality overwrites the bigger one. So care about your own little stuff about blood rituals or whatever games you play and don't get in my line of fire when I'm fighting for my cause. I'm not happy where this puts me here, but I fight where fate puts me. Truth is that Jade does not belong on this list. And with her, I assume, many more do not but I don't know. I definitly didn't ASK YOU FOR HELP OR JOVIAL ADVICE, slaver***! So get out of my line of fire. Please. With a cherry on top. Or you get more blood by this than you can suck. I'm talking to my own kind here, not to you. But okay. I'll stop it here. This is ridiculous. Just one thing: bootlicking? In your dreams, Nefris, in your dreams. And I don't fear enemies. Not numbers not strength. I can watch myself well enough. More enemies more honour. More targets. Federal Investigations Agency cannot act as spokespersons for the Minmatar militia. A corporation that has to date 2,304 kills should not have someone claiming to have knowledge of the workings of militia, claim superiority over someone who has aided militia, or pretend to act in any remote capacity as spokespersons. We know of no Minmatar corporation who uses terms like æSlaverÆ and are shocked to hear of you not only using such Amarrian words let alone at one of our best friends and closest allies. Where were you and your vast corporation during the Great Battles of Kamela or Sosala? Where were you when we led vast fleets of soldiers to oust CVA from Providence? We do the job and you are claiming the credit?! If there is any corporation(s) who has done more than any to advance the cause of Freedom for the Minmatar people it would be the Royal Order of Security Specialists (ROSS) among other corporations like Ice Fire Warriors and Valklear Guard (to name a few). With 12,748 kills against the Amarrian menace, and our organization of vast allied fleets which strike deep into Amarr High Sec, low sec and 0.0 space, we have much more right to speak on behalf of Militia than you. Revan Neferis has been a close ally of the Minmatar Militia and fought with courage, bravery and skilled leadership against the Amarr and their allies (CVA) in 0.0. How dare you call her a slaver? We at ROSS (and our Militia allies) view this as totally unacceptable. You do more to harm the Minmatar Militia than to help it, first, by thinking you have done such a grand job that you act as the mouthpiece of militia. Then, you call our allies æSalversÆ and 'Slaver***'?! Revan Neferis has been heavily involved with our operations and will continue to be. If you have issues with her (someone who has helped our cause more than your smacktalking corporation) then you have issues with not only ROSS but the entire Minmatar Militia. Fight them until turmoil is no more and strike terror into their hearts.
Andreus LeHane Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.06.28 16:14:00 - [2] Originally by: Amun Khonsu We know of no Minmatar corporation who uses terms like æSlaverÆ Huh? Originally by: Amun Khonsu and are shocked to hear of you not only using such Amarrian words Wah? Originally by: Amun Khonsu let alone at one of our best friends and closest allies. Gwwaahhhh?! Originally by: Amun Khonsu we have much more right to speak on behalf of Militia than you. Bwah?! Originally by: Amun Khonsu Revan Neferis has been a close ally of the Minmatar Militia WHAT?! Originally by: Amun Khonsu How dare you call her a slaver? Juhhhh?! Originally by: Amun Khonsu Revan Neferis has been heavily involved with our operations and will continue to be. If you have issues with her (someone who has helped our cause more than your smacktalking corporation) then you have issues with not only ROSS but the entire Minmatar Militia. Wah huh?! MY BRAIN HURTS. -----
Alica Wildfire Minmatar Federal Investigations Agency	Posted - 2010.06.28 16:24:00 - [3] And who the fragg are you?! I'm no spokeperson for my corporation, besides that and am no diplomat. And who I like or not like is my personal matter. Neferis once crossed swords on the IGS when she announced to... ah that's a long story and I don't know what damn business of yours this is, SPEAR LIEUTENANT. The killing is fun. If you want to do something for our cause, actually work a bit for it. You think recapturing systems is fun, eh? Go and get you some merits for the Republic first before you Lieutanant come along and piss at my pants. And now back to the front and next time aim better on an Amarr, soldier, not on blue pilots. -- FREEDOM, PUNK & AUTOCANNONS
Amun Khonsu Royal Order of Security Specialists	Posted - 2010.06.28 16:27:00 - [4] Originally by: Alica Wildfire And who the fragg are you?! I'm no spokeperson for my corporation, besides that and am no diplomat. And who I like or not like is my personal matter. Neferis once crossed swords on the IGS when she announced to... ah that's a long story and I don't know what damn business of yours this is, SPEAR LIEUTENANT. The killing is fun. If you want to do something for our cause, actually work a bit for it. You think recapturing systems is fun, eh? Go and get you some merits for the Republic first before you Lieutanant come along and piss at my pants. And now back to the front and next time aim better on an Amarr, soldier, not on blue pilots. Didn't I say 'smacktalking' corporation? lol Thank you for proving that point. I kill. Leave the plexing to you who dont have the stomach to fight. Fight them until turmoil is no more and strike terror into their hearts.
Alica Wildfire Minmatar Federal Investigations Agency	Posted - 2010.06.28 16:32:00 - [5] I won't go to measure lengths, soldier. This might be cool in the bars you socialize but I don't. Until you got mature I will further ignore you, thank you very much. -- FREEDOM, PUNK & AUTOCANNONS
Revan Neferis The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.06.28 16:33:00 - [6] Originally by: Amun Khonsu Revan Neferis has been heavily involved with our operations and will continue to be. If you have issues with her (someone who has helped our cause more than your smacktalking corporation) then you have issues with not only ROSS but the entire Minmatar Militia. Your position is noted and considered in high regards. And as you can see, it seems like the Militia has a purging to do. The ignorance of that individual can lead to dare consequences to a cause but I'm sure that this matter will be dealt with by your own. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Totally pagan, totally beautiful, totally worshipful. This is life
Captain Vaguy Royal Order of Security Specialists	Posted - 2010.06.28 16:52:00 - [7] Edited by: Captain Vaguy on 28/06/2010 16:52:08 Alica, why do you chose to undermine the great work that Revan had done for Minmatar Militia? You do nothing for minmatar except write in forums. When we are fighting, you are no where to be seen. When we secure systems, you again are no where to be seen. You do not contribute. You do not offer help, yet you seem to thrive off undoing all our work. ROSS has worked hard for militia. We have achieved a lot, with friends like Revan. It is a real shame that there are people like you that just sit in threads trolling the people that are walking the walk. Revan is one of the people making a difference.
Alica Wildfire Minmatar Federal Investigations Agency	Posted - 2010.06.28 17:01:00 - [8] I don't feel that I have to justify any of the things I did. For I did what I could from the very beginning as a capsuleer until now and more. If you don't find the posting which is the reason I'm not good to speak on Nefris I will do it for you. But it should be your damn job to do that yourself before you begin to throw mutt at a fellow Militia pilot. I do not shoot on blues. Sorry. But if you feel like that's the way you should act here and now.. go on. -- FREEDOM, PUNK & AUTOCANNONS
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.06.28 17:03:00 - [9] My friends, I feel an understanding can be reached here. I believe that Alicia Wildfire, in my view a captain of strong principle and with a record of freedom-fighting that should not be called into question, is labouring under a mistaken impression regarding the Lady Neferis. Slander and lies as to the Lady Neferis regularly fill GalNet and I believe that, alas, Captain Wildfire has, like so many, uncritically accepted them. I understand why. It is true that Lady Neferis once kept slaves. Some people find it hard to believe that others can change. However, it is quite clear to those who are acquainted with the true facts that Lady Neferis has not been a slaver for quite some time, to the contrary Lady Neferis has liberated many slaves and aids freedom fighters in various locales of New Eden. It is long since time that the lies told about Lady Neferis, which primarily have as their target not Lady Neferis but rather her lover, were treated with the contempt they deserve. I feel sure a captain of Alicia Wildfire's sound judgement will acknowledge the error and I also feel sure that questions as to Captain Wildfire's revolutionary and liberationist credentials will cease. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Captain Vaguy Royal Order of Security Specialists	Posted - 2010.06.28 17:10:00 - [10] I do not shoot on blues. Sorry. But if you feel like that's the way you should act here and now.. go on. Nobody has discussed shooting blues. You have insulted a friend of the minmatar militia and then you choose to speak on our behalf, without consultation and withour respect to your fellow minmatar militia
Revan Neferis The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.06.28 17:12:00 - [11] Originally by: The Cosmopolite I feel sure a captain of Alicia Wildfire's sound judgement will acknowledge the error and I also feel sure that questions as to Captain Wildfire's revolutionary and liberationist credentials will cease. The Cosmopolite Until this happens clearly and openly here, a full retraction of her words I am to assume, as I'm sure that the parts interested will assume that she is an Ignorant liar and deserves nothing but purging and to receive a label of traitor and actions to follow accordingly. Her words so far have spoken very poorly on her behalf. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Totally pagan, totally beautiful, totally worshipful. This is life
Amun Khonsu Royal Order of Security Specialists	Posted - 2010.06.28 17:17:00 - [12] Originally by: The Cosmopolite My friends, I feel an understanding can be reached here. I believe that Alicia Wildfire, in my view a captain of strong principle and with a record of freedom-fighting that should not be called into question, is labouring under a mistaken impression regarding the Lady Neferis. Slander and lies as to the Lady Neferis regularly fill GalNet and I believe that, alas, Captain Wildfire has, like so many, uncritically accepted them. I understand why. It is true that Lady Neferis once kept slaves. Some people find it hard to believe that others can change. However, it is quite clear to those who are acquainted with the true facts that Lady Neferis has not been a slaver for quite some time, to the contrary Lady Neferis has liberated many slaves and aids freedom fighters in various locales of New Eden. It is long since time that the lies told about Lady Neferis, which primarily have as their target not Lady Neferis but rather her lover, were treated with the contempt they deserve. I feel sure a captain of Alicia Wildfire's sound judgement will acknowledge the error and I also feel sure that questions as to Captain Wildfire's revolutionary and liberationist credentials will cease. The Cosmopolite If it is true that Alica Wildfire is as you say, I will expect that she will acknowledge the bravery and courage of Revan Neferis and apologize for the terrible things said about our friend and ally and the names called. Let me ask this, is it not traitorous to the cause of the Minmatar Republic to slander and lie about a person who has acted in support of the cause? Fight them until turmoil is no more and strike terror into their hearts.
Alica Wildfire Minmatar Federal Investigations Agency	Posted - 2010.06.28 17:24:00 - [13] Edited by: Alica Wildfire on 28/06/2010 17:26:49 For I know Nefris not good enough to know of any change in her behaviour but some time ago. But I take the word from The Cosmopolite and with this from The Star Fraction that this has actually happend. And with this I have no problem to excuse myself for the wrong impression I had of her. I respect very much when people have to power to change themselves. It is usually a sign of strength. As I see it as a strength to be sorry if a mistake was made. From the information I had at hand my words were correct. But they were not representing the actual situation and this was my fault, I admit. I'm sorry for any inconvenience and hope my excuse will be accepted and we can settle this issue soon before any harm is done to any reputation. -- FREEDOM, PUNK & AUTOCANNONS
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.06.28 17:31:00 - [14] Originally by: Amun Khonsu Let me ask this, is it not traitorous to the cause of the Minmatar Republic to slander and lie about a person who has acted in support of the cause? In my personal opinion, not necessarily, no. Much would depend on the motive for making remarks that may or may not be slanderous or untrue together with the nature of those remarks. In general, it may be that very much that is slander or untrue could be said about a person supporting a given cause without the making of such remarks amounting to treachery with respect to said cause. Of course, I would note that personally I am not particularly concerned about the cause of the Minmatar Republic but, rather, the cause of the freedom of the Minmatar people, and indeed with the freedom of all peoples. After all, while I believe persuasion will serve in the case of the Republic, I am opposed to it as a form of government. Of course, I speak, at any rate of the rump Gallente-inspired Republic and we await the outcome of the deliberations of the Tribes when it comes to the new form of government that may emerge. At any event, I have said my piece on the matter at hand and having offered my modest view of things I shall retire and leave it to the principals in the matter to resolve it. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Railman Freakin Yellow bananas with HUGHE Aut0cannon	Posted - 2010.06.28 17:32:00 - [15] Originally by: Captain Vaguy I do not shoot on blues. Sorry. But if you feel like that's the way you should act here and now.. go on. Nobody has discussed shooting blues. You have insulted a friend of the minmatar militia and then you choose to speak on our behalf, without consultation and withour respect to your fellow minmatar militia Slave, My land lord challange you
Revan Neferis The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.06.28 17:38:00 - [16] Edited by: Revan Neferis on 28/06/2010 17:39:36 Originally by: Alica Wildfire But they were not representing the actual situation and this was my fault, I admit. I'm sorry for any inconvenience and hope my excuse will be accepted and we can settle this issue soon before any harm is done to any reputation. I'm not one to turn away from my words. I have spoken that I wanted a full apology and rectification and you have provided it. It is accepted. Although I'll leave this as a warning of how much ignorance can be prejudicial to ones cause. Also an advice, clear the name of my lover and my name from your lips from now on. If you don't know about a person's current influence, activities and life, simply refrain speaking about them. Will save you future issues like this. To Ross and the Militia, you have my respects for your immediate response to this matter. It won't be forgotten. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Totally pagan, totally beautiful, totally worshipful. This is life
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.06.28 17:43:00 - [17] It says a lot for the desperation of the Minmatar Militia that they're willing to consider someone who has (amongst other things) declared her support for the Sansha as an ally. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Captain Vaguy Royal Order of Security Specialists	Posted - 2010.06.28 17:44:00 - [18] Alica you have responded admirably with your apology. The Cosmoplite, as always you speak great words of sense and wisdom. Revan, we are always at your service, as you have been for us. I hope this matter can now be closed.
Revan Neferis The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.06.28 17:45:00 - [19] Originally by: Rodj Blake It says a lot for the desperation of the Minmatar Militia that they're willing to consider someone who has (amongst other things) declared her support for the Sansha as an ally. Oh PIE stalker trying to be relevant on a thread that has nothing to do with him. Again. Should I start mocking you now? Nah, you do it for yourself. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Totally pagan, totally beautiful, totally worshipful. This is life
Revan Neferis The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.06.28 17:48:00 - [20] Originally by: Captain Vaguy Alica you have responded admirably with your apology. The Cosmoplite, as always you speak great words of sense and wisdom. Revan, we are always at your service, as you have been for us. I hope this matter can now be closed. Yes the matter is closed Captain, unless you want to entertain yourself with the PIE jester here, be my guest. * winks My regards to all of Ross. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Totally pagan, totally beautiful, totally worshipful. This is life
Amun Khonsu Royal Order of Security Specialists	Posted - 2010.06.28 17:50:00 - [21] Originally by: Alica Wildfire Edited by: Alica Wildfire on 28/06/2010 17:26:49 For I know Nefris not good enough to know of any change in her behaviour but some time ago. But I take the word from The Cosmopolite and with this from The Star Fraction that this has actually happend. And with this I have no problem to excuse myself for the wrong impression I had of her. I respect very much when people have to power to change themselves. It is usually a sign of strength. As I see it as a strength to be sorry if a mistake was made. From the information I had at hand my words were correct. But they were not representing the actual situation and this was my fault, I admit. I'm sorry for any inconvenience and hope my excuse will be accepted and we can settle this issue soon before any harm is done to any reputation. Thank you for your courage. Fly high and live free! Fight them until turmoil is no more and strike terror into their hearts.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.06.28 17:51:00 - [22] Originally by: Revan Neferis Should I start mocking you now? Rather than that, perhaps you could explain to us all how your oath of loyalty to Empress Jamyl affects your friendship with corporations in the Minmatar Militia? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Captain Vaguy Royal Order of Security Specialists	Posted - 2010.06.28 17:54:00 - [23] Edited by: Captain Vaguy on 28/06/2010 17:54:40 Originally by: Revan Neferis Originally by: Captain Vaguy Alica you have responded admirably with your apology. The Cosmoplite, as always you speak great words of sense and wisdom. Revan, we are always at your service, as you have been for us. I hope this matter can now be closed. Yes the matter is closed Captain, unless you want to entertain yourself with the PIE jester here, be my guest. * winks My regards to all of Ross. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik The PIE jerker is simply not entertaining enough to warrant our attentions.
Revan Neferis The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.06.28 18:16:00 - [24] Originally by: Captain Vaguy The PIE jerker is simply not entertaining enough to warrant our attentions. laughs and nods TouchT my friend. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Totally pagan, totally beautiful, totally worshipful. This is life
Andreus LeHane Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.06.29 05:05:00 - [25] Edited by: Andreus LeHane on 29/06/2010 05:05:04 Originally by: Rodj Blake Rather than that, perhaps you could explain to us all how your oath of loyalty to Empress Jamyl affects your friendship with corporations in the Minmatar Militia? While I've never respected you as a person, I've always had at least some small measure of respect for you as an adversary, so, out of that respect, allow me to offer you this advice - don't try to make sense of anything about it. Just... don't. There are better things to do with your life. -----
Vikarion Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems	Posted - 2010.06.29 05:36:00 - [26] Shouldn't all of you Minmatar militia be more focused on shooting the Amarr than each other? You have a hostile entity bent on your destruction, namely the Empire, and you think that your time is better spent killing each other over one person? Not to be critical, but this sounds like somewhat of a waste of time. Perhaps you should fight a frigate duel to settle it and be done with it, don't you think? - - -
Alica Wildfire Minmatar Federal Investigations Agency	Posted - 2010.06.29 08:03:00 - [27] I requested a personal apology for my person, my rank, my fellow corp members and my corporation for some of the deadly insults that were stated above. I have accepted the apology and case closed. I don't shoot on blues. And this includes the IGS. -- FREEDOM, PUNK & AUTOCANNONS
Eran Mintor Minmatar Ddial Chan Annwn Annwn Matari	Posted - 2010.06.29 08:55:00 - [28] What did you expect Alica? Most of the militia, and really the Republic as well, is more focused on causing death than anything else. I never want to see the Republic succumb to the Empire, but at the same time I wonder-what is necessary to cause change among our people? Sasawong and many others fought hard to instill the ideals we thought to be the driving force behind the Tribal Liberation Force; passion, freedom, and perseverance. Perhaps it is the cynic that has awakened, or I faced the reality that the real driving force for most among it's ranks is the desire for murder; murder masked by "retribution". The idealists and romantics among the Tribal Liberation Force are considered weak if they do not quench the blood-thirst of many Matari and Her allies. Is this how we gauge Minmatar, by their "kill-board statistics"? ------------------------------------------------
Arkady Sadik Minmatar Electus Matari	Posted - 2010.06.29 10:06:00 - [29] The vast majority of capsuleers judges everyone else by their "killboard stats". The plex work of the Amarr now is done by a select few, just like the plex work of the Minmatar in the last offense was done by a select few. The Minmatar are no different here from the other factions. Sadly, it's often easier to see the shortcomings of your own people, and assume the grass is greener on the other planet. It isn't. What makes us different from the Amarr is not that we somehow attract the more balanced capsuleers. I never understood this hatred between the preferences. The hunters talk badly about those who captured plexes; the plexers in turn talk badly about those who prefer to hunt. Both are needed, there is a large group that does both, and cooperation works well. Trying to talk badly about "the other side" only causes fewer and fewer people to do both. Do you think this is helpful? I also never understood why disagreements like this thread are discussed in public. Do you think this serves any purpose? Use your neocom mail system. It has the same results.
Eran Mintor Minmatar Ddial Chan Annwn Annwn Matari	Posted - 2010.06.29 10:12:00 - [30] Originally by: Arkady Sadik I also never understood why disagreements like this thread are discussed in public. Do you think this serves any purpose? Use your neocom mail system. It has the same results. Quite opposite, actually...otherwise you wouldn't say to use the neocom, would you? ------------------------------------------------

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