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Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.01 19:51:00 - [121] Originally by: Sophie Starsparrow snipped the usual load of lies I suggest you review the Cosmopolite's thorough deconstruction of your position before continuing. Join the Revolution!
Hustle Fighter Caldari The Deadbeats	Posted - 2010.07.01 19:54:00 - [122] Originally by: Jade Constantine Edited by: Jade Constantine on 01/07/2010 12:28:43 Quote: Sophie Starsparrow is a capering stilted loon. Oh, Jade, you certainly have ink in your blood. Have you ever considered copy writing? Seriously. (And now we return you to your original programming.)
Alica Wildfire Minmatar Federal Investigations Agency	Posted - 2010.07.01 22:50:00 - [123] Edited by: Alica Wildfire on 01/07/2010 22:52:12 Originally by: Sophie Starsparrow Alica...I am very dissappointed in you. Everything I have known about you told me you were of much stronger character than you showed here. Sophie, I showed not weakness but strength in this case. I widthdraw from this conflict because it is just an ego matter and we are fighting for a more important issue than our ego. So I settled it, which does not change my loyalties which have never changed since I was a capsuleer, nor my personal freedom who I dislike and who I trust and when I speak and when I don't speak. Nobody ever will tell me this and everybody should know that too well. Sometimes, Sophie, it's just better to not say everything and to leave some things for the future. Because the future is in permanent change and what can be wrong or doubtful today may be certain tomorrow. I'm in my heart a warrior and a scientist and what I can't proof I don't assert. If I find that others might be right about one of my statements, that I can't proof it, if someone tells me it's wrong then I widthdraw the statement. To correct yourself is a strength, not a weakness, Sophie. And in this case I don't see the complete picture, which I admit frankly. Sometimes an issue should just left for the future or maybe should be forgotten. One thing for sure, I do not plant sour grapes in the garden of alliance just out of pride or strong personal dislike of certain persons. And even if I dislike those persons and do not trust them personally I have a network of trust where I relay to in this case. I do not understand why the world is setup as it is at the moment, but before I have not the complete picture, the complete information, I accept it as it is. I put everything on the scale of common sense and made a simple decision that was not costing me anything but a "sorry for that" and was hurting nothing but a bit of my pride. Which is a price I'm willing to pay in this case for the greater good. But be sure that some of the things said before was left uncommented by myself not incidently. I always say what I want. I never let someone forbid me to tell my opionon. To anything. But in certain circumstances I am wise enough to bite my tongue, which is hard enough for me, you can believe me, sit back for a while and watch and wait until more information is available. Or I am fully convinced that I was wrong. That's the way of science, Sophie. It is in conflict with the warrior in myself who is just biting in my tongue at the moment in a way that I spit blood. But I find the conflict between my two hearts an inspiring one. I'm curious how this ends. -- FREEDOM, PUNK & AUTOCANNONS
Sophie Starsparrow Minmatar Ddial Chan Annwn Annwn Matari	Posted - 2010.07.01 23:27:00 - [124] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Sophie Starsparrow snipped the usual load of lies I suggest you review the Cosmopolite's thorough deconstruction of your position before continuing. Erm, yes, Where Cosmo posts the same convo I posted from local that you originally posted showing John saying things in public that you still claim he did not say. That recronstruction? I stand corrected? Sorry Alica. I've said all we have to say. We will not be bullied into not speaking the truth.
Neu Bastian Minmatar Valklear Guard	Posted - 2010.07.02 05:15:00 - [125] Edited by: Neu Bastian on 02/07/2010 05:15:27 Jade, CVA has been beaten and I-RED no longer supports them. Your fixation with them is counter productive. Hell, they have even offered me support. There are bigger fish to fry, and I would respectfully request you begin working on one. The choice is, of course, yours. This is the last of my involvement in this mud flinging debacle. Its a waste of my time and I have invading forces to shoot at. Quote: Neu Bastian Valklear Guard - CEO
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.02 08:40:00 - [126] Originally by: Neu Bastian Jade, CVA has been beaten and I-RED no longer supports them. Your fixation with them is counter productive. Hell, they have even offered me support. Whether CVA have been permanently beaten or not, the fact remains that I-RED willingly served them in Providence and committed acts of aggression against Free Capsuleers to "enforce" the CVA's will. I trust you are not presuming to tell those facing that aggression they must forgive and forget without receiving appropriate diplomatic recompense and restitution from the aggressors? The Fraction have been very open to the concept of diplomatic settlement with I-RED and we asked nothing beyond a clear statement of denunciation and disavowal from I-RED's leadership towards the foul and corrupt CVA alliance as a price for ceasefire and neutrality. At this point the intervention of 3rd parties telling us "there is nothing to be settled" is unhelpful and counterproductive since it further convinces I-RED they gain more by dividing the Free Matari and their allies than they do by making a genuine statement disavowing and distancing themselves forever from the CVA and Amarrian Imperialism. This is a mistake. Quote: There are bigger fish to fry, and I would respectfully request you begin working on one. The choice is, of course, yours. Do not imagine that the Fraction is primarily focused on the matter of I-RED and their patsies at this time Neu Bastian. We are quite aware of where fish need to be fried and plans are laid. But practicality is never a reason to ditch ideals and principle and though we will doubtless soon be firing on the same foes again and supporting our allies in the Bleaklands and adjacent warzone we ask you to respect our diplomatic independence as we do yours. Leave I-RED and MATAR to conduct their own diplomacy (such as it is) they reap the results of their success or failure in these matters and must learn their own lessons in time to come. In fraternal respect. Join the Revolution!
Azure Skyclad Amarr Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2010.07.02 11:08:00 - [127] Originally by: Sophie Starsparrow Seems like the only way to settle this one is to have John clarify what he means by; Quote: We do so no more, I suggest you work on your intel and Quote: We have already made an announcement of our withdrawal from Providence and the Amarr Empire I can see how both yours and SFs interpretation could be drawn from those statements. He,s saying they don't work with CVA anymore, true. It is not however a clear repudiation of what the CVA stand for. Sophie, your interpretation leaves an unspoken "but we might do so again in the future" Whereas a clear denunciation of the CVA is unequivocal. As i said, only John can clear this one up really. http://ultravixen.co.uk/
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.07.02 12:15:00 - [128] Originally by: Azure Skyclad Originally by: Sophie Starsparrow Seems like the only way to settle this one is to have John clarify what he means by; Quote: We do so no more, I suggest you work on your intel and Quote: We have already made an announcement of our withdrawal from Providence and the Amarr Empire I can see how both yours and SFs interpretation could be drawn from those statements. He,s saying they don't work with CVA anymore, true. It is not however a clear repudiation of what the CVA stand for. Sophie, your interpretation leaves an unspoken "but we might do so again in the future" Whereas a clear denunciation of the CVA is unequivocal. As i said, only John can clear this one up really. I-RED have basically said that they consider themselves neutral to the CVA. What more do the SF want? Surely SF aren't demanding that I-RED become actively anti-slavery and give the CVA a negative standing, as that would smack of standings enclosurism? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.02 12:22:00 - [129] I-RED aggressed the Free Captains of the Star Fraction from neutral and involved themselves in hostility against our vessels at the orders of the CVA. The consequence of this action was that I-RED was set -10 KOS to the Star Fraction and we reserved the right to wardec them at any time or place of our convenience to take vengeance for their actions in the future. This is the current status quo. We are content with it. But some of I-RED's partners and allies apparently are not. If I-RED wish to have their standings reverted to neutral and come off our prospective target list they need to make an appropriate gesture of contrition and in this case we have deemed it reasonable to ask them to condemn the CVA organization as an entity and denounce their history as "enforcers" for the slaver empire in Providence. This is the price of ceasefire and neutrality for an entity that eagerly fired upon us for their CVA paymasters in times before. That liars and manipulative word-twisters like Rodj Blake, Eran Mintor and others come rushing to the defense of I-RED in every thread on the subject simply convinces us we are right to expect a clear an unambiguous condemnation from the I-RED leadership as a pre-requisite to any future neutral relations. Join the Revolution!
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.02 14:17:00 - [130] Originally by: Neu Bastian Jade, CVA has been beaten and I-RED no longer supports them. Your fixation with them is counter productive. Hell, they have even offered me support. There are bigger fish to fry, and I would respectfully request you begin working on one. The choice is, of course, yours. The CVA may have been beaten but they are very far from destroyed. They continue to constitute the gravest threat to freedom and ignoring them would be folly. Indeed, at present, while they gather their forces anew, their main weapons are subversion and destabilization carried out through agents, paid informers and race-traitors. As for bigger fish, indeed, and I would respectfully hope that an ally of ours would address some respectful requests to our opponents in this matter as well as us. Note that Starsparrow chose to intervene here and drag all this up. Why did she do so? If she's interested in unity in the militia she'd have kept her mouth shut. But she didn't and the race-traitors Cheiftan and Eran Mintor were not slow in adding their flapping gums to the spectacle either. So I would indeed hope for a respectful request by you to your other allies. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Kithrus Amarr Epitoth Guard Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2010.07.02 14:27:00 - [131] Originally by: The Cosmopolite Originally by: Neu Bastian Jade, CVA has been beaten and I-RED no longer supports them. Your fixation with them is counter productive. Hell, they have even offered me support. There are bigger fish to fry, and I would respectfully request you begin working on one. The choice is, of course, yours. The CVA may have been beaten but they are very far from destroyed. They continue to constitute the gravest threat to freedom and ignoring them would be folly. Indeed, at present, while they gather their forces anew, their main weapons are subversion and destabilization carried out through agents, paid informers and race-traitors. We do not use spy networks. While I can't speak for the alliance as a whole I can say with confidance that we don't use spies.
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.02 14:42:00 - [132] Originally by: Sophie Starsparrow Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Sophie Starsparrow snipped the usual load of lies I suggest you review the Cosmopolite's thorough deconstruction of your position before continuing. Erm, yes, Where Cosmo posts the same convo I posted from local that you originally posted showing John saying things in public that you still claim he did not say. That recronstruction? I stand corrected? Sorry Alica. I've said all we have to say. We will not be bullied into not speaking the truth. No indeed not, you prefer being seduced into telling lies by race-traitors and slave-trade profiteers. As for the conversation, it does not show John Revenent saying anything that Jade Constantine claimed he did not say. This is where you keep falling flat on your face, Starsparrow. You can't claim that Jade has lied on the basis of John Revenent's ambiguous and unclear words. Words he then refused to clarify. Words he would not render unambiguous. Why now? If those words actually meant what would have been satifactory to us, where was the harm in him clarifying it? Answer: None. But he wouldn't clarify. He wouldn't render unambiguous. Which leads us to the view that his words did not signify any such thing as we had requested. That's fine. He's entitled to say what he wishes and bear the consequences. But you are not entitled to portray his words as something they are not and on the basis of that accuse us of telling lies. John Revenent did not repudiate the CVA. John Revenent did not repudiate slavers. John Revenent did not repudiate slavery in general. Jade's view that John did not say the words sufficient to mean these things is her view. It is, I might point out, an opinion. One I share but an opinion nonetheless. With words so ambiguous as unclear as John Revenent's on that day it is, actually, bordering on a category error to describe such an opinion as a 'lie'. Sophie Starsparrow persists in doing this. If she stops it and retracts then there could be a constructive way out of this. But if she does not, one day there will be a reckoning. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Captain Vaguy Royal Order of Security Specialists	Posted - 2010.07.02 14:51:00 - [133] My brothers and sisters, may I ask that we do not fuel this thread anylonger as it has become something that as usual, it was not intended for. Our bonds remain strong
Revan Neferis The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.07.02 16:01:00 - [134] Originally by: Captain Vaguy My brothers and sisters, may I ask that we do not fuel this thread anylonger as it has become something that as usual, it was not intended for. Our bonds remain strong This is IGS dear, the matter was solved at the first page but as you well put, always those to eat the remaining from the main table. Don't hold your breath, it's almost an inherent bad cultural habit now plaguing every single political thread. Let's have a glass of wine meanwhile. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Totally pagan, totally beautiful, totally worshipful. This is life
Sophie Starsparrow Minmatar Ddial Chan Annwn Annwn Matari	Posted - 2010.07.02 16:19:00 - [135] Jade posted John saying "We are not Slavers" in local, and then said he did not and called me a liar. If what John said is not enough for you, fine your choice, but since then Star Fraction has chosen to portray me and my entire organization as Ammatar, blood traitors, and Ammarian supporters all to support this original lie, that Jade did not post what Jade posted. So no Cosmo, I will not retract the truth while you spread lies about me and mine. If you truly want to settle this, I would suggest an actual conversation. If you do choose an actual conversation, I would suggest this as a starting point : Originally by: Andreus LeHane This was never just about wardecs, Jade. You disrupted a memorial to six hundred thousand people to enforce a viewpoint. Even members of your own alliance strongly balked at it - and yes, I did actually talk to some of them. You broke the terms of your own ultimatum by blowing up a ship that had come outside as you had demanded. You asked them to recant support for a cause they never practiced, even if their allies did, and yet constantly complain that people paint you as a Blood Raider or a Sansha supporter just because you happen to be allied with something which does. Then you ask straightfacedly why people are inclined to wardec you. If you are fine with the way things are, thats your choice too, but I will not stand by and allow you to slander us in every thread I choose to speak in regardless of the topic at hand.
Captain Vaguy Royal Order of Security Specialists	Posted - 2010.07.02 16:29:00 - [136] wine it is Revan :)
Shalee Lianne Knighthood of the Merciful Crown	Posted - 2010.07.02 17:00:00 - [137] Really all you can do in a matter like this, is to present the facts and leave it up to the public to form their own opinions, and you have done that Sophie. Just because SF says this or that doesn't mean that anyone actually believes it outside of those loyal to them. I'm not sure why you're arguing so passionately about this, really.
Merdaneth Amarr Angel Wing.	Posted - 2010.07.02 17:01:00 - [138] Some people really need to relax and enjoy a cool glass of Amarr Victor - visit www.amarrvictor.com ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Revan Neferis The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.07.02 17:07:00 - [139] Originally by: Captain Vaguy wine it is Revan :) Deal. * winks Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Totally pagan, totally beautiful, totally worshipful. This is life
Alica Wildfire Minmatar Federal Investigations Agency	Posted - 2010.07.02 18:32:00 - [140] Edited by: Alica Wildfire on 02/07/2010 18:36:31 quid pro quo To accept that someone has changed even if a personal level of distrust may kept, but when the net of trust keeps people from going to each others throat, when someone accepts this in his favour, why should he reject it, if it's on his turn? That Eran Mintor was fighting for the slavers is a very ugly mark on his file and his personal history. But Annwn Matari is not known to fight for the slavers or act as agents of them. To assume this has a very low plausibility. They stand behind their member and trust him to have changed his ways to the better. Who are we to deny people to change their mind and correct errors? Are we unforgiven vengeful as the Amarrian zealots? Or are we Matari? They were not showing their back when Eran Mintor returned. They trust him. I trust them. So why not settle this and bite your tongue until you can smell blood, like I did? It is no good if Matari corporations begin to fight each other. Fight each other over one man. Or one women. Those are just not important enough for such a fight. This is just helping the slavers. I ask for quid pro quo. For the greater good. Really. We have a common enemy. All of us. And a common cause. -- FREEDOM, PUNK & AUTOCANNONS
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.02 18:50:00 - [141] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 02/07/2010 18:51:50 Originally by: Sophie Starsparrow Jade posted John saying "We are not Slavers" in local, and then said he did not and called me a liar. I have repeatedly called you a liar for your habit of misrepresenting the words of others and your dishonest behaviour on this Summit. And you continue to this moment. I said (as the Cosmopolite has repeated many times on this thread) that John Revenent did not appropriately renounce I-RED ties with the CVA organization. This is the assessement my comrades and I are free to make and for you to name us liars for saying this makes you dishonest. Quote: If what John said is not enough for you, fine your choice, but since then Star Fraction has chosen to portray me and my entire organization as Ammatar, blood traitors, and Ammarian supporters all to support this original lie The reason we reach these conclusions is your insistence of maintaining a falsehood and continuing to lie and smear the good name of the Star Fraction when it is transparent and obvious you are behaving like an Amarrian-paid manipulator opposed to future good cooperation between the Free Captains and the Free Matari. You are behaving precisely like a person taking Amarrian isk to cause ructions and disgrace between comrades and friends. As Cosmopolite has said this either mades you a foolish dupe or a maligant agent and the jury is still out. Quote: If you truly want to settle this, I would suggest an actual conversation. If you are fine with the way things are, thats your choice too, but I will not stand by and allow you to slander us in every thread I choose to speak in regardless of the topic at hand. There is no point to a conversation while you continue to tell lies about us in public with every breath. Your organization is -10 to the Star Fraction and you will be shot on sight at our preference until such point as you make restitution for declaring hostility against us in support of the craven slaver-worshipping dogs of I-RED. So crawl back to your master's foul turncoat and tell your tale to amuse the Amarrian Nationalists who are enjoying the sight of Matari capering for Imperial coin. Join the Revolution!
Literia Minmatar Labyrinth Engineering Annwn Matari	Posted - 2010.07.02 21:40:00 - [142] Edited by: Literia on 02/07/2010 21:41:05 Pilot Constantine First you accuse people that I fly with of being traitors to the Matari people, now you accuse the entirety of Annwn of being traitors. I strongly suggest that you provide evidence of this state. I have stayed silent for far too long, garner your evidence and bring me PROOF. If you do not, this matter is closed. Yet again, you would have proven yourself to be the fool that does not know when to be quiet. You do not speak for the Matari people, so do not presume that you do. Literia Khammael
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.02 21:52:00 - [143] Originally by: Literia Pilot Constantine First you accuse people that I fly with of being traitors to the Matari people, now you accuse the entirety of Annwn of being traitors. I strongly suggest that you provide evidence of this state. I have stayed silent for far too long, garner your evidence and bring me PROOF. If you do not, this matter is closed. Yet again, you would have proven yourself to be the fool that does not know when to be quiet. You do not speak for the Matari people, so do not presume that you do. Literia Khammael You are in no position to demand anything from anybody cadet Literia. Any negative associations stemming from your involvement with Annwn Matari are your own responsibility at this point. Your organization wardecced the Star Fraction in support of the slaver-appeasing "enforcers" of I-RED and your leadership have continued to speak lies and dishonest manipulations on Galnet since that unfortunate decision. At this point you speak here as an enemy of mine in a -10 flagged KOS entity that earned its status through direct military support of a CVA ally. I have absolutely no reason to trust you to speak the truth and owe you nothing beyond the weight of battleship grade autocannon shell casings I will leave in space the next time you cross my gunsights. Join the Revolution!
Literia Minmatar Labyrinth Engineering Annwn Matari	Posted - 2010.07.02 22:41:00 - [144] Really, that shows me that you lack any evidence or truth to your accusations that you have to result in threats. I mean seriously, you just proved yourself even a bigger fool by doing that. Thank you for proving the fact that you have no evidence nor any proof.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.02 22:52:00 - [145] Originally by: Literia Really, that shows me that you lack any evidence or truth to your accusations that you have to result in threats. Where is the "threat"? You are in an -10 KOS organization that earned its status by wardeccing the Fraction in support of a CVA-pet "enforcer" alliance. What do you expect to get from me in open space, hugs and kisses? It never ceases to amaze me just how dense you people are. Is it some kind of an aura of stupid that Starsparrow extrudes around her starship through the cosmic polarity of her deflector shields or something? Seriously. Your leader declares war on an enemy corporation and then spends months lying about the target on galnet and you expect some kind of a touchie-feelie emote group gathering to talk over how you feel about these issues? Just grow a backbone and fight rather than trying to talk us to death like a gutless ammatar recreant cringing and scraping with lips on some holder's boots. Join the Revolution!
Cheiftan Minmatar Shinryaku Annwn Matari	Posted - 2010.07.02 23:00:00 - [146] Edited by: Cheiftan on 02/07/2010 23:00:21 Just thought ide stop by to cite some sources, make of them what you will. I-RED's stance on slavery Specifically this: Quote: We are here to clarify that Ishukone-Raata operations do not involve itself in the inner-workings of the Amarr political influences anymore Quote: our organization has never permitted the dishonorable use of slaves Quote: while we conduct trade in there space we do not political back them with their religions claims and beliefs. While we will still assist certain corporations that operate within the Amarr Empire's it will solely be to assist against Piracy, not political enemies of the Empire itself. This Clarification states the following: * The use of slave labour and or owning slaves is prohibited under I-RED regulations. * I-RED no longer involves itself in the political affairs of the amarr empire * I-RED will not attack the political enemyÆs of the Empire, unless they are also known pirates. IÆm not 100% sure but I do believe a reset of standings was issued when I-RED left providence, at this point I was in the TLF and received very little news on the inner workings of the I-RED government. However it is also important to note that I-REDÆs policy on holding or the use of slaves hasnÆt wavered, this I am sure of as one of the first members of I-RED and one of the original members or the I-RED electoral Government system. Another accusation is that I-RED are holding back their public denunciations of CVA as they are allegedly waiting for CVA to reclaim space and thus will take their place as holders, this is also not true with proof cited here. Quote: We will not be assisting in Anti-Piracy Operations in the Providence Region to either aid Ushra-Khan or CVA Quote: We never plan on moving to Providence under CVA or Ushra'Khan's Occupancy, if we do it will be under our own weight. While I find the above two a little hazy, I will assume what John is saying is that, the have no intention on going back to providence under either entities jurisdiction (may be wrong word to use). Here are the press releases and comments that I have dug up, this will be my last transmission here and so if you would like to reach me please feel free to contact me via a private communications link. All I have to say is, that I have no put forward the facts of the matter and the stance, weather this is to your liking is none of my concern, however I have other matters to attend to and donÆt have time to see the same point repeated over and over on multiple summits.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.02 23:10:00 - [147] Originally by: Cheiftan I-RED's stance on slavery We know full well about that link, the Cosmopolite (and others) questioned Revenent on that thread and received no satisfactory clarification. As ever it appeared muddled, confused, mealy-mouthed and fell a way short of the clear denouncing of CVA, Slavery in Providence, and I-RED's role as "enforcers" during the CVA domination of that regime. If you want this matter cleared up I suggest you prevail on John Revenent to make the clear statements he is being called to make and then have your alliance mates apologize for their various lies and slander on Galnet. Join the Revolution!
Eran Mintor Minmatar Ddial Chan Annwn Annwn Matari	Posted - 2010.07.03 00:26:00 - [148] Let's get this clear... No. ------------------------------------------------
Sophie Starsparrow Minmatar Ddial Chan Annwn Annwn Matari	Posted - 2010.07.03 02:07:00 - [149] Originally by: Jade Constantine If you want this matter cleared up I suggest you prevail on John Revenent to make the clear statements he is being called to make and then have your alliance mates apologize for their various lies and slander on Galnet. if you can find one Jade, I will apologize for it. This has absolutely nothing to do with what John did or did not say, and whether or not this is good enough for you. I said you posted something that you denied posting. I quoted it and have been called a liar repeatedly since. It really is this simply for us. The fact that Star Fraction would choose to defame a loyal Matari rather than simply admit that yes, they posted it(as all can plainly see anyway) simply confounds me, and the greater and greater lengths they all seem willing to go to to defame me and avoid simply stating the truth that all see anyway I simply cannot comprehend. For those of you attempting to mediate, my issue with Star Fraction has nothing to do with I-Red, or John Revenant, and everything to do with the slander and lies that have been hurled my way in the months following. Such as Cosmo accusing me of bring all this up again in this thread when all I did was simply agree with a U'K pilot who was speaking the truth. I could care less if SF agrees with me or not, I could care less if they accept John's statements as true or not. When my loyalty and the loyalty of my pilots are called into question without the decency of even fabricated evidence, I will speak up. Oh, and these accusations predate Eran's return by months. Why do I continue Shalee? Because one, I am Matari, and honour is still important to us, and two, I feel shame that I may have sat back and watched Star Fraction do this to others. You see, before this incident, I personally respected Star Fraction a great deal and believed they did have the best interests of all people at heart. It has been hard for me to see this side of them, and if it hadn't been directed at me, I may not have still. The idealist in me has had her eyes opened and the politician in me wants to ignore it, but the Matari in me won't let me.
Revan Neferis The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.07.03 02:19:00 - [150] Originally by: Jade Constantine In other regards I think it would do us all well to reflect on precisely what comment brought Sophie Starsparrow to this thread in the first place. As we can see from that link, she posted to support the assertion made by Pilot Naautica that my lover Revan Neferis was a slaver. As the very point of this thread was inaccuracy of that claim made by another person it seems precisely on-topic to consider one falsehood from Starsparrow laid upon other falsehoods we've have seen in the last pages. A point worth repeating at this point where the situation is beyond ridiculous. Hear hear! Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Totally pagan, totally beautiful, totally worshipful. This is life

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