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Eran Mintor Minmatar Ddial Chan Annwn Annwn Matari	Posted - 2010.07.03 02:28:00 - [151] Edited by: Eran Mintor on 03/07/2010 02:30:14 Originally by: Revan Neferis Originally by: Jade Constantine In other regards I think it would do us all well to reflect on precisely what comment brought Sophie Starsparrow to this thread in the first place. As we can see from that link, she posted to support the assertion made by Pilot Naautica that my lover Revan Neferis was a slaver. As the very point of this thread was inaccuracy of that claim made by another person it seems precisely on-topic to consider one falsehood from Starsparrow laid upon other falsehoods we've have seen in the last pages. A point worth repeating at this point where the situation is beyond ridiculous. Hear hear! Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik You try to imply that you are indeed not a slaver, but you are yet to reply to your own implications that you are against Minmatar, and all for Amarrian domination. I do enjoy watching you slink away, only to raise yourself like a deadly snake ready to strike, slithering away again after you find the venom has left your fangs. Originally by: Eran Mintor Here's some more dirt I scooped up. This really is too easy. Originally by: Revan Neferis Having earned a reputation as one of Amarrian's most controversial ideologists and powerful Power Brokers û Revan Neferis is probably more deserving of the moniker "Dangerous Lady" than many pod combat pilots. Those who have known the Amarrian-born beauty insist that despite her little interest for self-combat methods, she's very likely to cause Revolutions and wars of great impact with influence, money and persuasion alone. Religious alignment : Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign of Bloodveil, Sani Sabik Faith Political ideology: The House of Sarum. Diplomacy: Amarr Empire: Sarum: Friend Ardishapur: Enemy Kador: Enemy Tash-Murkon: Enemy Kor-Azor: Enemy Khanid Kingdom: Neutral Minmatar Republic: Enemy Gallente Federation: Neutral Caldari State: Neutral Minmatar Republic is enemy, yet the Caldari State, who works with the Amarr Empire, is neutral? So strange... I guess this is enough to prove my point, I should stop he-....ah who am I kidding... Again... Originally by: Revan Neferis Originally by: Arelius Sarum Good to know your need and love for tyranny. Why, thank you kindly. But was this ever any sort of secret around here? Or maybe you were expecting a True Amarr , Sani Sabik to hail "LibertT, FraternitT, EqualitT?"? * smiles shaking her head again * Seems like she disagrees with many of your own values, Jade. Originally by: Revan Neferis Originally by: Sepherim In fact, if I may say so, Thrice Illustrious Leader of the Sani Sabik, your "support" of Lady Sarum can only harm her in all that has to do with the Empire. If that's the case, she should do things that displeases me instead of being involved with rumours of secret weapons and murderers of certain Joshua cultists and such... so far, I have no reason at all to be displeased. She is the ruler that I would be if in her place. Revan approves. ------------------------------------------------
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.03 02:30:00 - [152] Originally by: Sophie Starsparrow all I did was simply agree with a U'K pilot who was speaking the truth. You repeated a lie that Nauticaa (who is not currently a U'K pilot) put on the public record. Another in your history of lies. But at this point it is simply pointless to discuss anything with you so we will continue to condemn each other in every thread where you post this nonsense without end until one or the other grows bored or until a war breaks out where imprecations give way to exchange of weapons fire and the breaking of corporations and alliances. But understand I have been dealing with liars like you since the beginning of the capsuleer disapora and if you look back to the very beginning of this summit you will see how I have treated them. Do not imagine for a moment that your endurance matches mine. I have no sympathy for race-traitors and turncoats Sophie Starsparrow and in time I trust you will discover this first hand when the conflict we both seek turns brutal and actual by the hard radiation of suns and distant tapestry of stars. If you do by some miracle still count yourself Matari in some way then have the stoicism of your kin and prepare to fight with weapons rather than emulating the worst traits of Amarrian nationalists in their carping dishonesty day in day out. The least you could do is prepare to die well. Join the Revolution!
Revan Neferis The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.07.03 02:31:00 - [153] Originally by: Eran Mintor You try to imply... Stop there, rewind the tape, learn to read igs and try again subhuman. And yes this is not a remark about your race is about your person because you do seem bellow average right now. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Totally pagan, totally beautiful, totally worshipful. This is life
Eran Mintor Minmatar Ddial Chan Annwn Annwn Matari	Posted - 2010.07.03 02:36:00 - [154] So instead of evading the question, why don't you just show proof you are indeed pro-Minmatar and anti-slavery, instead of letting me continue? *I would gladly stop if you showed some evidence* that I am wrong** instead of hurling accusations. Why are you such venom-less snake, Revan Neferis? ------------------------------------------------
Revan Neferis The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.07.03 02:42:00 - [155] Originally by: Eran Mintor [b]show proof The existence of the thread itself. Now I can understand why this isn't self evident to you, a guy with your IQ should have a low voice too. Originally by: Eran Mintor Why are you such venom-less snake, Revan Neferis? Foaming already sweety? Other symptoms of emo-rage galnet only lack of space capacity and lack of control that you 'll grace us from now on? It's becoming entertaining. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Totally pagan, totally beautiful, totally worshipful. This is life
Eran Mintor Minmatar Ddial Chan Annwn Annwn Matari	Posted - 2010.07.03 03:05:00 - [156] Edited by: Eran Mintor on 03/07/2010 03:06:03 Originally by: Revan Neferis Originally by: Eran Mintor show proof The existence of the thread itself. I will now quote the OP with a reference to CONCORD's public information relating to Revan Neferis, since ROSS and others are inclined to judge based on "kill-stats": Originally by: Amun Khonsu Edited by: Amun Khonsu on 28/06/2010 15:59:44 Originally by: Alica Wildfire Edited by: Alica Wildfire on 28/06/2010 11:38:09 Originally by: Revan Neferis Move on minmatar before you find more enemies than you would like to have at this point. I'm not defending you. You are a damn slaver and I will always fight your kind. I do not know you enough that I can say I hate you but damn me, I'm triggerhappy enough to shoot you on sight anyway, Nefris. And I'm also not defending Jade. I'm defending freedom and the right to love anyone you like. That the small loyality overwrites the bigger one. So care about your own little stuff about blood rituals or whatever games you play and don't get in my line of fire when I'm fighting for my cause. I'm not happy where this puts me here, but I fight where fate puts me. Truth is that Jade does not belong on this list. And with her, I assume, many more do not but I don't know. I definitly didn't ASK YOU FOR HELP OR JOVIAL ADVICE, slaver***! So get out of my line of fire. Please. With a cherry on top. Or you get more blood by this than you can suck. I'm talking to my own kind here, not to you. But okay. I'll stop it here. This is ridiculous. Just one thing: bootlicking? In your dreams, Nefris, in your dreams. And I don't fear enemies. Not numbers not strength. I can watch myself well enough. More enemies more honour. More targets. Federal Investigations Agency cannot act as spokespersons for the Minmatar militia. A corporation that has to date 2,304 kills should not have someone claiming to have knowledge of the workings of militia, claim superiority over someone who has aided militia, or pretend to act in any remote capacity as spokespersons. We know of no Minmatar corporation who uses terms like æSlaverÆ and are shocked to hear of you not only using such Amarrian words let alone at one of our best friends and closest allies. Where were you and your vast corporation during the Great Battles of Kamela or Sosala? Where were you when we led vast fleets of soldiers to oust CVA from Providence? We do the job and you are claiming the credit?! If there is any corporation(s) who has done more than any to advance the cause of Freedom for the Minmatar people it would be the Royal Order of Security Specialists (ROSS) among other corporations like Ice Fire Warriors and Valklear Guard (to name a few). With 12,748 kills against the Amarrian menace, and our organization of vast allied fleets which strike deep into Amarr High Sec, low sec and 0.0 space, we have much more right to speak on behalf of Militia than you. Revan Neferis has been a close ally of the Minmatar Militia and fought with courage, bravery and skilled leadership against the Amarr and their allies (CVA) in 0.0. How dare you call her a slaver? We at ROSS (and our Militia allies) view this as totally unacceptable. You do more to harm the Minmatar Militia than to help it, first, by thinking you have done such a grand job that you act as the mouthpiece of militia. Then, you call our allies æSalversÆ and 'Slaver***'?! Revan Neferis has been heavily involved with our operations and will continue to be. If you have issues with her (someone who has helped our cause more than your smacktalking corporation) then you have issues with not only ROSS but the entire Minmatar Militia. Amun makes some very inaccurate implications here. Especially that Revan has "fought with courage, bravery, and skilled leadership". ------------------------------------------------
Revan Neferis The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.07.03 03:09:00 - [157] Originally by: Eran Mintor Amun makes some very inaccurate implications here. Try again puppet. You're the race traitor here little one. But don't feel too bad. A lot of people have no talent, just like you. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Totally pagan, totally beautiful, totally worshipful. This is life
Aria Dirser	Posted - 2010.07.03 03:14:00 - [158] Mr. Eran Mintor, You arent going to achieve anything with the two wenches. They live in their own small world, were they deem themselves important and worthy of adulation. They havenÆt yet realized the storm on their backs, the one that comes when their utility ceases (and that is happening now); they need to prove at every corner two things: a)We are not slavers b)We defend the cause of the Minmatar freedom fighters The problem grows as they try desperately to grab at their allies hands begging ôplease, please Mister UÆK and Mister AAA donÆt hurt me! I promise I wonÆt try my revolutionary bullà with you, I promise that I will even set a corner for me and call it freespace but will obey to your every command!ö This is the moment when they grovel and kiss the feet of their superiors. Then they run to the IGSàa deep feeling of inferiority weighting heavily on their subconscious and start screaming ôMight makes right!ö or "Traitorous scum!" and "Lying Mongrel!",while at the same time training the sport of throwing all variants of insults regarding pigs and trolls. The purpose however is to find any semblance of danger coming from any entity possible to be regarded as slaveràwhy? Well, If they donÆt practice it, and find someone to bash for being a slaver, daddy UÆK will beat the crap out of them and purge like the annoyance they are from Providence( and always will be in any corner of space not so much because of their pilots, but more because of their incessant whining and bullsà). As I said in the beginning Mr.Eran Mintor, Thank you, but no use in continuing. DonÆt worry thought, the Minmatar traitours inside the TLF and the would be Matar friends are getting their due soon enough.
Eran Mintor Minmatar Ddial Chan Annwn Annwn Matari	Posted - 2010.07.03 03:16:00 - [159] It is not my problem that members of R.O.S.S., and other Minmatar affiliated organizations, pay no attention to your true nature and previous statements as I have pointed out in this thread. Amun tries to deny Alica the ability to talk for militia, and then takes the responsibility for himself, even speaking for my own previous organization, Valklear Guard, which he in no way represents. Quote: If you have issues with her (someone who has helped our cause more than your smacktalking corporation) then you have issues with not only ROSS but the entire Minmatar Militia. If you wholly rely on this mans word, I think you will find your arguments fall quicker than with you and Jade tag-teaming as matadors. ------------------------------------------------
Revan Neferis The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.07.03 03:16:00 - [160] Originally by: Aria Dirser they deem themselves important and worthy of adulation. You people certainly dedicate threads enough to the both of us to make your case so bright miss nobody. You should at least learn how to breath before trying to come to galnet. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Totally pagan, totally beautiful, totally worshipful. This is life
Revan Neferis The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.07.03 03:23:00 - [161] Edited by: Revan Neferis on 03/07/2010 03:25:12 Originally by: Eran Mintor It is not my problem It wasn't since the start subhuman. You're just one more nobody who invaded this thread so I can play with until I get bored or entertained enough. By the way, you do know its the second time that you breach concord regulations here yes? I love numbers. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Totally pagan, totally beautiful, totally worshipful. This is life
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.03 03:25:00 - [162] Originally by: Aria Dirser Mr. Eran Mintor, You arent going to achieve anything with the two wenches. They live in their own small world, were they deem themselves important and worthy of adulation. They havenÆt yet realized the storm on their backs, the one that comes when their utility ceases (and that is happening now); they need to prove at every corner two things: a)We are not slavers b)We defend the cause of the Minmatar freedom fighters The problem grows as they try desperately to grab at their allies hands begging ôplease, please Mister UÆK and Mister AAA donÆt hurt me! I promise I wonÆt try my revolutionary bullà with you, I promise that I will even set a corner for me and call it freespace but will obey to your every command!ö This is the moment when they grovel and kiss the feet of their superiors. Then they run to the IGSàa deep feeling of inferiority weighting heavily on their subconscious and start screaming ôMight makes right!ö or "Traitorous scum!" and "Lying Mongrel!",while at the same time training the sport of throwing all variants of insults regarding pigs and trolls. The purpose however is to find any semblance of danger coming from any entity possible to be regarded as slaveràwhy? Well, If they donÆt practice it, and find someone to bash for being a slaver, daddy UÆK will beat the crap out of them and purge like the annoyance they are from Providence( and always will be in any corner of space not so much because of their pilots, but more because of their incessant whining and bullsà). As I said in the beginning Mr.Eran Mintor, Thank you, but no use in continuing. DonÆt worry thought, the Minmatar traitours inside the TLF and the would be Matar friends are getting their due soon enough. That is an awful lot of rage for a new poster. Join the Revolution!
Sophie Starsparrow Minmatar Ddial Chan Annwn Annwn Matari	Posted - 2010.07.03 05:46:00 - [163] Edited by: Sophie Starsparrow on 03/07/2010 05:49:09 Originally by: Revan Neferis Originally by: Jade Constantine In other regards I think it would do us all well to reflect on precisely what comment brought Sophie Starsparrow to this thread in the first place. As we can see from that link, she posted to support the assertion made by Pilot Naautica that my lover Revan Neferis was a slaver. As the very point of this thread was inaccuracy of that claim made by another person it seems precisely on-topic to consider one falsehood from Starsparrow laid upon other falsehoods we've have seen in the last pages. Okay that really is pathetic. But I promised, so yes, I apologize. I lied when I said Nauticaa was still a member of U'K, when in fact, she used to be and just still maintains a U'K signature sighs And why are you people so afraid of quotes? This is what Nauticaa posted that i said was the truth. And it still hasn't been answered. Originally by: Nauticaa Right my 2 isk. No one Person or corp can claim to speak for a Militia simple as. Also Revan has stated publicy she is a slaver so dont see why your aguring that, I don't care that it hasn't been answered. I also asked you wether or not you said you supported the Sansha slaver's and evidence was posted that you did. I still don't care whether R.O.S.S. chooses to fly with you or not. It is not my place to tell them that. But I won't allow you to call Nauticaa a liar for speaking the truth without saying something about it. Not as long as you continue to slander me and mine.
Revan Neferis The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.07.03 06:10:00 - [164] Originally by: Sophie Starsparrow I won't allow you to call Nauticaa a liar for speaking LIES without saying something about it. [ Because I'm a liar too] Corrected for you so you may avoid trying to think, it may sprain your brain. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Totally pagan, totally beautiful, totally worshipful. This is life
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.03 06:25:00 - [165] Originally by: Sophie Starsparrow This has absolutely nothing to do with what John did or did not say, and whether or not this is good enough for you. I said you posted something that you denied posting. I quoted it and have been called a liar repeatedly since. It really is this simply for us. Very well then, as you say that people shouldn't be afraid of quotes, please produce the quote that Jade posted and please produce Jade's denial that she posted it. We shall see if you want this cleared up. But I warn you, you are going to be shown, at minimum, to be gravely mistaken. If you're capable of admitting that grave error and apologizing for all it has led to then perhaps, just perhaps, you will be spared the consequences of these past weeks. If you won't produce these quotes, or if on producing them you won't accept the error that shall be pointed out to you, then you will certainly remain a -10 foe of the Star Fraction with all that shall entail at some future date. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Eran Mintor Minmatar Ddial Chan Annwn Annwn Matari	Posted - 2010.07.03 06:39:00 - [166] I am not interested in the removal of -10 standings with "The Star Fraction" at this point in time. Thank you, and have a nice day. ------------------------------------------------
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.03 07:02:00 - [167] Edited by: The Cosmopolite on 03/07/2010 07:03:10 I couldn't care less what you want, Mintor. I addressed my remarks to Sophie Starsparrow, she who has been the main representative of your alliance in our dealings. Or... no, I shall await her reply and discount your venom as the natural issue from the fangs of a serpent who clearly wishes discord to continue. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Eran Mintor Minmatar Ddial Chan Annwn Annwn Matari	Posted - 2010.07.03 07:05:00 - [168] Very well, though I can tell you now it's unnecessary because she's sure to agree. I hold The Star Fraction fully responsible for their actions that have brought us where we are today. Annwn Matari has done nothing but stand by it's principals. ------------------------------------------------
Sophie Starsparrow Minmatar Ddial Chan Annwn Annwn Matari	Posted - 2010.07.03 07:12:00 - [169] Jade calling me a liar and why : Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Sophie Starsparrow So, according to Jade who posted that conversation, he did actually make the statement you wanted him to, and he did so in public. No he didn't and I'll thank you not to post "according to jade" in a dishonest fashion. The thread that was posted in can be found here. Jade posting what Jade says Jade did not post : Originally by: Jade Constantine Edited by: Jade Constantine on 10/05/2010 18:40:46 [ 2010.05.05 20:32:58 ] John Revenent > We are not slavers. The thread that was posted in can be found here. And just for good measure. And all we have to say on the subject anymore : Originally by: Eran Mintor I am not interested in the removal of -10 standings with "The Star Fraction" at this point in time. Thank you, and have a nice day.
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.03 07:30:00 - [170] Originally by: Sophie Starsparrow Jade calling me a liar and why : Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Sophie Starsparrow So, according to Jade who posted that conversation, he did actually make the statement you wanted him to, and he did so in public. No he didn't and I'll thank you not to post "according to jade" in a dishonest fashion. The above is Jade saying that John Revenent did not post the statement we wished him to make, which is simply true. He didn't. For you to have claimed that 'according to Jade [...] he did actually make the statement' was at minimum disingenuous and dishonest inasmuch as Jade at no point accepted he made a satisfactory statement. Originally by: Sophie Starsparrow Jade posting what Jade says Jade did not post : Originally by: Jade Constantine Edited by: Jade Constantine on 10/05/2010 18:40:46 [ 2010.05.05 20:32:58 ] John Revenent > We are not slavers. Jade at no point stated that she did not post this and you can't produce any statement to that effect. I repeat: all that Jade said was that John Revenent had not made a statement that was satisfactory to us. That is the simple, plain fact. Your claim that Jade lied rests on a complete misreading of the record. Whether mistaken or wilful, only you can answer. But I think your pride is going to prevent you admitting a mistake here even though I suspect you know you can't claim a lie on Jade's part on the basis of such flim-flam. Originally by: Sophie Starsparrow And all we have to say on the subject anymore : Originally by: Eran Mintor I am not interested in the removal of -10 standings with "The Star Fraction" at this point in time. Thank you, and have a nice day. That is fine and it is noted that you prefer to let a creature who was a member of the 24th Imperial Crusade only days ago and who has clear links to I-RED frame policy on your behalf. I think others will note who is now really in control of Annwn Matari. It certainly isn't those dedicated to extirpating slavery. Rather it is those with a clear history of collaborating, directly, with slavers. We don't much mind either way on the subject of the standings you understand. It is simply useful to us to be able to demonstrate that we were open to a peaceful resolution of this and you refused it at the behest of race-traitors and slaver collaborators. As you clearly want to cast aside the opportunity to clear up this matter reasonably we will take such action as we feel appropriate with a clear conscience. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Bigfood Gallente Federal Investigations Agency	Posted - 2010.07.03 07:41:00 - [171] Edited by: Bigfood on 03/07/2010 07:41:30 Okay finally as I got bugged into reading through all this To the topic: FIA is never in any way claiming to speak on behalf of the Minmatar militia. If a FIA pilot is doing so it was not a sanctioned act. The Federal Investigations Agency is a corp with duties more than just factional warfare so R.O.S.S if you want to compare you're free to try us out by a wardec. Although that would throw a bad light on our beloved Militia wouldn't it? On a side note: As its basically proven that Star Fraction is in fact supporting the Sansha and their allies FIA announces a standing reset and a derrived standing of -10 to this entity from the time of this posting.
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.03 07:55:00 - [172] Originally by: Bigfood On a side note: As its basically proven that Star Fraction is in fact supporting the Sansha and their allies FIA announces a standing reset and a derrived standing of -10 to this entity from the time of this posting. What proof would that be? It's nonsense. We oppose Sansha's Nation and have done for a long time. However, if you insist on this foolishness we will reciprocate the standing. I am afraid you are simply being misled though. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Bigfood Gallente Federal Investigations Agency	Posted - 2010.07.03 08:05:00 - [173] Edited by: Bigfood on 03/07/2010 08:05:47 Originally by: The Cosmopolite Originally by: Bigfood On a side note: As its basically proven that Star Fraction is in fact supporting the Sansha and their allies FIA announces a standing reset and a derrived standing of -10 to this entity from the time of this posting. What proof would that be? It's nonsense. We oppose Sansha's Nation and have done for a long time. However, if you insist on this foolishness we will reciprocate the standing. I am afraid you are simply being misled though. The Cosmopolite http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1320774 that one you are supporting, blue standings and not to mention the rather private stuff earlier in this thread what actually didn't belong here ... so what more proof does one need? I am open for talking in a private conversation. but as long as you have blue standings with someone that is actually attacking the Republic and its citizens you stay -10 for us. On that note any force that feels responsibility to the citizens of the Republic or either of the other Empires does good at thinking about a similar step.
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.03 08:14:00 - [174] So you're essentially admitting to being a standings enclosurist while completely ignoring the facts: 1) Revan Neferis supports Minmatar militia forces as testified to by Minmatar militia members on this very thread. 2) Revan Neferis does not support Sansha's Nation in any way when it comes to attacks against the Minmatar Republic. You need to read the statement more carefully. She's not involved in or supporting attacks against the Republic or its citizens. In fact, to the contrary. You've been fed a pack of lies and are uncritically accepting it and making diplomatic decisions on the hoof. It is no mystery to me who 'bugged' you into making an intervention on this thread. Again, I suggest you reconsider and look at the actual facts. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Daemonde Ardishapur Amarr	Posted - 2010.07.03 08:33:00 - [175] Originally by: The Cosmopolite Edited by: The Cosmopolite on 03/07/2010 08:18:47 So you're essentially admitting to being a standings enclosurist while completely ignoring the facts: 1) Revan Neferis supports Minmatar militia forces as testified to by Minmatar militia members on this very thread. 2) Revan Neferis does not support Sansha's Nation in any way when it comes to attacks against the Minmatar Republic. You need to read the statement more carefully. She's not involved in or supporting attacks against the Republic or its citizens. In fact, to the contrary. Even so, it's ultimately not relevant to the Star Fraction what she does. She doesn't make Star Fraction policy in any way. She happens to be a member of an alliance we have had blue for a long time, an alliance I might add which has supported the Minmatar people's struggle for quite some time. Who we have set blue is our business. If you want to go around setting people red for having that alliance set blue then I think some others may consider you in a new light. A matter for them, of course. You've been fed a pack of lies and are uncritically accepting it and making diplomatic decisions on the hoof. It is no mystery to me who 'bugged' you into making an intervention on this thread. Again, I suggest you reconsider and look at the actual facts. The Cosmopolite Revan has said before herself that the Minmatar Republic is an enemy, and such evidence is in this very thread, posted by a charming young Brutor I had the pleasure of flying with. It is very convenient to ignore inconvenient truths, isn't it? It's very convenient to toss away peoples remarks as 'insignificant' when they disapprove with you. Such petty actions from people who consider themselves the 'elite' of the cluster.
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.03 08:56:00 - [176] Originally by: Daemonde Ardishapur Revan has said before herself that the Minmatar Republic is an enemy, and such evidence is in this very thread, posted by a charming young Brutor I had the pleasure of flying with. The 'charming young Brutor' in question has of course flown against the Minmatar Republic in the ranks of the 24th Imperial Crusade but we are supposed to accept that mere days later he is a friend of the Republic. Yet Revan Neferis, who is attested as a support of Minmatar militia forces by Minmatar fighters is supposed to be condemned today on the basis of a statement of her politics made over 6 months ago. Further, political enmity of the Republic is not enmity of the Minmatar people. We've had quite enough, over the years, of Minmatar republicans trying to make out that the Republic is the Minmatar and the Minmatar are the Republic. It has never stood up to examination in the past (and at times has been laughable and perverse, such as when Karishal Muritor was murdered at the order of the Republic) and it doesn't stand up to examination now. Jade Constantine ultimately opposes the republican mode of government. I oppose the republican mode of government. It doesn't make us enemies of the Minmatar people. No more than it makes those members of the Ushra'Khan and other freedom fighters who have opposed and still oppose the republican mode of government enemies of the Minmatar people. This pernicious nonsense of 'you must be for the Republic or you are an enemy' is just what the Amarr and their devious agents want to see put about. They know that many strong and potent fighters in the Minmatar militia fight not for the Republic but rather against the Empire and its vile expansionist project of conquest, rapine and slavery. They know that the best way to divide the Minmatar militia is to insist on odious loyalty oaths to the Republic as if fighting for freedom is not enough. And this, openly put about by Amarr agents and race-traitors, is supposed to be accepted? Absurd, grotesque and simply revolting to behold. But we will not turn our gaze away from it. This attempted division and subversion of the Minmatar militia will be exposed every time it rears its vile and crone-like head. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Merdaneth Amarr Angel Wing.	Posted - 2010.07.03 08:57:00 - [177] Originally by: The Cosmopolite So you're essentially admitting to being a standings enclosurist while completely ignoring the facts: Cosmopolite, I thought standings enclosurist was when you try to enforce your own standings upon other organizations. I see the FIA just setting its own standings. FIA is setting SF to red because SF is allied with an organization that supports the Sansha attacks. What is 'standings enclosurist' about that? I don't see any coercion going on, no demands have been made by the FIA, do you see any? ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Merdaneth Amarr Angel Wing.	Posted - 2010.07.03 09:05:00 - [178] Originally by: The Cosmopolite Jade Constantine ultimately opposes the republican mode of government. I oppose the republican mode of government. It doesn't make us enemies of the Minmatar people. No more than it makes those members of the Ushra'Khan and other freedom fighters who have opposed and still oppose the republican mode of government enemies of the Minmatar people. So, you are friends of the Minmatar people, but enemies (or at least opposing) the Minmatar Republic? Is it fair to say that you are also friends of the Amarr people, but enemies of the Amarr Empire? I wonder if Star Fraction would consider itself a friend of the Minmatar Militia, since that organization is a direct extension of the Republic they say to oppose? Is it fair to say that Star Fraction is a friend of some organizations and people within the Minmatar Militia, but opposes the Minmatar Militia as a whole (for being a Republic led organization)? ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.03 09:12:00 - [179] They are setting us red because we have a particular capsuleer organization set blue, rather than for a reason specific to actions taken by us and, to emphasise this point, they tell us that we will be red for so long as we have a particular class of organization set blue. That is standings enclosurism pure and simple. They are trying to dictate to us who we should have set blue and who we should not have set blue. Now, I can guess what rickety trap you think you have set here but we have never set any capsuleer organization red on the basis of their standings with another capsuleer organization. You won't find any example of it. (I should point out, as I seem to have a vision of one possible future floating before my eyes, that at no time did we ask I-RED to alter their standings. At no point.) Incidentally, don't think I am granting your claim that 'SF is allied with an organization that supports the Sansha attacks'. That claim is totally bogus. The Final Stand alliance has not supported the Sansha's Nation incursions. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.07.03 09:18:00 - [180] Originally by: Merdaneth Is it fair to say that you are also friends of the Amarr people, but enemies of the Amarr Empire? First clause: Yes; second clause: Yes. Originally by: Merdaneth I wonder if Star Fraction would consider itself a friend of the Minmatar Militia, since that organization is a direct extension of the Republic they say to oppose? First clause: Yes; second clause: No. Quote: Is it fair to say that Star Fraction is a friend of some organizations and people within the Minmatar Militia, but opposes the Minmatar Militia as a whole (for being a Republic led organization)? First clause: Yes; second clause: No. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal

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