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Eran Mintor
Minmatar
Ddial Chan Annwn
Annwn Matari
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Posted - 2010.06.30 13:59:00 -
[61]
 Originally by: Jade Constantine
I don't think lying about the Ushra'khan's results in the war against Amarrian slavery is the best way to open your commentary race-traitor. Who are you trying to persuade here?
In the war against CVA and allies, U'K has done well. In the war against slavery as an institution, U'K has done...well, honestly nothing. Aside from CVA retreating to hi-sec I don't see any changes in slavery caused by U'K. You can say they helped with the insorum vaccine, yet they were only the recipient and neither the researcher nor the user...
I still have a tremendous amount of respect for U'K's vision, while disagreeing with them, yet I do not see results like I do from others.
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Revan Neferis has engaged mercenaries to attack capsuleer organizations defending the Amarrian Empire from Sansha incursions. That is her choice to do so. Her aggression was targeted at Amarrian interests so it is no surprise to for me to see an Amarrian sympathizer trying to paint this as a blanket support of the Nation over a specific attack on the Empire.
If those Amarr are working towards the same enemy we are, I don't see why it would be wise to let them collapse, therefore your collective power be reduced.
It also may be that those defending Amarrian interests are also those defending Minmatar, Gallente, and Caldari interests, and so you find yourself at a cross-roads...
You call me an Amarrian sympathizer...I think this is a lot more true to reality than "blood-traitor", though you could say it's just a personal preference. I seek co-existence, not mutual genocide. What do you seek? The Empire crumbles and who will you fight next? The Gallente; Caldari...Minmatar?
Originally by: Jade Constantine
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I'd be really frustrated right now if I was one of your pilots...
I hardly see why since the free captains of the Star Fraction are fully entitled to engage Nation vessels anywhere they chose at personal discretion. I have said my own opinion is that I would be extremely unlikely to stand with Amarrian Nationalists to defend Amarrian worlds but every single pilot of the Fraction is free to make their own choices on this issue and Nation starships are KOS anywhere in known space.
Because they're allowed to do whatever they want yet have no support or morale boost from their leadership, who fully supports the opposing side. Seems like...oh, I don't know...seems like you're fighting for the enemy?
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.06.30 14:11:00 -
[62]
Edited by: Jade Constantine on 30/06/2010 14:12:56
Originally by: Eran Mintor
Because they're allowed to do whatever they want yet have no support or morale boost from their leadership, who fully supports the opposing side. Seems like...oh, I don't know...seems like you're fighting for the enemy?
Wouldn't that involve well ... "fighting for the enemy"? You know, like signing up to the 24th Crusade for six months and shooting our former friends? How very convenient that not doing exactly as you demand and dropping all opposition to the Amarr Empire immediately turns into "fighting for Sansha".
I see what you are doing here Eran Mintor. You don't agree with Revan Neferis targeting Amarrian interests and deciding her organizational standings towards the Nation will be expressed by hiring mercenaries to oppose those fighting the Nation in Amarrian space. So you very quickly move to a stance of "if you are not with us you are against us" and consider that the actions of the Star Fraction in not condemning Revan's independent stance represent us "fighting" for the Nation.
Well we (Star Fraction) are against you Eran Mintor. Your organization is one we consider to be rife with Matari Race-traitors and turncoats. Annwn Matari is no friend of the Star Fraction and as a -10 entity you will be annihilated at any time or place of our convenience. If you wish to claim this makes us friends of the Nation that simply diplays the transparency of the manipulations you have placed in the public domain.
This is not a war of "us v them" "a vs b" "red vs blue" "freedom against tyranny". You are an Amarrian sympathizer in an Amarrian sympathizer corporation that would like to see a threat to Amarr neutralized so you can go back to convincing the Free Matari they would be better off rejecting their own tribal councils and finding god (and slavery) at the leash of the 24th Crusade and Amarrian Nationalist mainstream.
Let me be plain Eran Mintor. If I see you and vessels of the Nation in space the ideal outcome is to kill you AND the Nation. If you want to claim that makes me a supporter of Sansha then by all means make the claim. I trust anyone with a modicom of independent rational thought will see through your words as easily as they have seen your turncoat manipulations in times before.
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Eran Mintor
Minmatar
Ddial Chan Annwn
Annwn Matari
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Posted - 2010.06.30 14:30:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Eran Mintor
Because they're allowed to do whatever they want yet have no support or morale boost from their leadership, who fully supports the opposing side. Seems like...oh, I don't know...seems like you're fighting for the enemy?
Wouldn't that involve well ... "fighting for the enemy"? You know, like signing up to the 24th Crusade for six months and shooting our former friends?
I see what you are doing here Eran Mintor. You don't agree with Revan Neferis targeting Amarrian interests and deciding her organizational standings towards the Nation will be expressed to hiring mercenaries to oppose those fighting the Nation in Amarrian space. So you very quickly move to a stance of "if you are not with us you are against us" and consider that the actions of the Star Fraction in not condemning Revan's independent stance represent us "fighting" for the Nation.
Again, it helps to have facts, instead of assumptions. Let me help you...
I was in the Amarr militia for just over two months, and the Minmatar militia for well over a year. My "betrayal" was right after I had finished my offensive campaign against the Amarr home-worlds, personally leading the capture of only about 6 systems, to a total of 9 Amarrian occupied during our height of the campaign...my short time in the Amarr militia was to support their efforts in regaining this territory I had taken un-righteously. The Amarrians have pushed into Minamtar space since, something I do not approve of, and I have withdrawn my support of their operations in Minmatar space.
On another argument...isn't :
Originally by: Jade Constantine
So you very quickly move to a stance of "if you are not with us you are against us" and consider that the actions of the Star Fraction in not condemning Revan's independent stance represent us "fighting" for the Nation.
...very similar to what SF's position was towards I-RED when they were supposedly still supporting CVA? It is so strange to see I-RED denounce slavery, and yet SF cannot condemn the actions that support your own "KOS" enemies.
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Well we (Star Fraction) are against you Eran Mintor. Your organization is one we consider to be rife with Matari Race-traitors and turncoats. Annwn Matari is no friend of the Star Fraction and as a -10 entity you will be annihilated at any time or place of our convenience. If you wish to claim this makes us friends of the Nation that simply diplays the transparency of the manipulations you have placed in the public domain.
This is not a war of "us v them" "a vs b" "red vs blue" "freedom against tyranny". You are an Amarrian sympathizer in an Amarrian sympathizer corporation that would like to see a threat to Amarr neutralized so you can go back to convincing the Free Matari they would be better off rejecting their own government and finding god (and slavery) at the leash of the 24th Crusade and Amarrian Nationalist mainstream.
Let me be plain Eran Mintor. If I see you and vessels of the Nation in space the ideal outcome is to kill you AND the Nation. If you want to claim that makes me a supporter of Sansha then by all means make the claim. I trust anyone with a modicom of independent rational thought will see through your words as easily as they have seen your turncoat manipulations in times before.
Actually your stance towards me and Annwn has nothing to do with my view towards you, rather your actions that you supposedly covet beyond all things. I have always viewed you in ill regard since my time in the Minmatar militia and beyond...yet you herald "action" before "words" and I find little but words when looking for your deeds against the Sansha incursion.
P.S. You shouldn't be so trusting of strangers to have faith in your own words against mine. Faith requires God, and all...
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Cheiftan
Minmatar
Shinryaku
Annwn Matari
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Posted - 2010.06.30 14:34:00 -
[64]
Quote:
Well we (Star Fraction) are against you Eran Mintor. Your organization is one we consider to be rife with Matari Race-traitors and turncoats. Annwn Matari is no friend of the Star Fraction and as a -10 entity you will be annihilated at any time or place of our convenience. If you wish to claim this makes us friends of the Nation that simply diplays the transparency of the manipulations you have placed in the public domain.
*Chuckles*
Well looks like the garbage is being thrown around now, interesting how we are all amarraian sympathisers without any proof or knowledge of the facts at hand.
Well enough questions have been asked here now jade, as far as I see things we are only blood traitors in your eyes because we oppose you.
But to be honest none of us have asked to be your friend, we donÆt care for someone who will stab us in the back once the mutual enemy is gone, or one who accuses us of seeing things in black and white yet are the ones that cannot see the forest around the tree.
Enjoy your blood lusted murderous genocide Jade.
* Closes the comm link *
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SpotlessBlade
Griefer-B-Gone
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.06.30 14:50:00 -
[65]
Off topic and all, but is there an intel channel our Minmatar would care to share with me? Please contact me in game on this toon and ill explain the reasons...
TY in advance
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Revan Neferis
The Archaeus of Blood
The Final Stand.
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Posted - 2010.06.30 16:04:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Cheiftan
Now for Miss Revan...
Stopped right there. I don't have the least interest to attempt having a meaningful discussion with you and yours who seem to have zero knowledge and contemplation of the architecture of actual political power versus cultural context.
Truth be told, you have no clue of my scope of influences as a Sani Sabik who operates by the concepts of Imperium and the nature of a functional hierarchy which encompasses more than your little brain cell can grasp.
Resuming, your ignorance makes you intellectually easy to dismiss and therefore boring to me.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
Totally pagan, totally beautiful, totally worshipful. This is life
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Cheiftan
Minmatar
Shinryaku
Annwn Matari
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Posted - 2010.06.30 16:26:00 -
[67]
* Re-establishes link *
Hmmm such divine self righteousness that you cannot answer my completely legitimate and fair question.
But what do I know revan in your eyes IÆm dim
But donÆt worry your pretty little head with me Revan under Star fraction logic you fall under the ôSlaver Apologistö category for aiding the Sansha, so feel free to bounce questions away from yourself I see the truth like many doà
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.06.30 16:27:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Eran Mintor
...very similar to what SF's position was towards I-RED when they were supposedly still supporting CVA? It is so strange to see I-RED denounce slavery, and yet SF cannot condemn the actions that support your own "KOS" enemies.
Not in the slightest since the I-RED "support" manifested in them directly attacking Star Fraction shipping in Providence. It was the simplest matter to record aggression and respond in kind. And for what its worth I still haven't seen a convincing denunciation of the CVA and Amarrian Nationalist ideology from I-RED. Its all mealy-mouthed half-mumbled nonsense and excuses that wouldn't convince a child.
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Actually your stance towards me and Annwn has nothing to do with my view towards you, rather your actions that you supposedly covet beyond all things. I have always viewed you in ill regard since my time in the Minmatar militia and beyond...yet you herald "action" before "words" and I find little but words when looking for your deeds against the Sansha incursion.
Just goes to show. I'm really unpopular with race-traitors.
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Revan Neferis
The Archaeus of Blood
The Final Stand.
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Posted - 2010.06.30 16:47:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Cheiftan
Hmmm such divine self righteousness that you cannot answer my completely legitimate and fair question.
Yes indeed, I don't entertain stupidity. I have Blake to play with when I'm in the mood to do such things.
If you want to direct questions to me, you must be interesting to me at first place. Ignorance can be cured, but stupidity is forever.
At this moment, you and yours seem to be so dense that even light would bend around you, like the great majority of the populace.
Originally by: Cheiftan
But what do I know revan in your eyes IÆm dim
If you don't like my opinion of you - improve yourself.
Originally by: Cheiftan
But donÆt worry your pretty little head with me Revan
I didn't know you existed until you decided to post countless pages dedicated to my persona and furthermore directed words to me.
So check your priorities before posting stupid lines.
As I said, become something at least intellectually able to be interesting. If that proves to much to you there are plenty of people and threads that won't require you to advance your levels of communications, such as amarr drinks and what not.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
Totally pagan, totally beautiful, totally worshipful. This is life
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Cheiftan
Minmatar
Shinryaku
Annwn Matari
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Posted - 2010.06.30 16:53:00 -
[70]
I sugest you look in a mirror.
Hypocrisy and stupidity walk hand in hand
* Smirks and closes comm link *
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Revan Neferis
The Archaeus of Blood
The Final Stand.
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Posted - 2010.06.30 16:59:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Cheiftan
Hypocrisy and stupidity walk hand in hand
Your brilliant argument clearly shows what I have been repeating here: The fact that you have one brain cell, and it is fighting for dominance.
Don't let it tire you too much.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
Totally pagan, totally beautiful, totally worshipful. This is life
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Merdaneth
Amarr
Angel Wing.
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Posted - 2010.06.30 17:25:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Revan Neferis
Your brilliant argument clearly shows what I have been repeating here: The fact that you have one brain cell, and it is fighting for dominance.
Don't let it tire you too much.
Not everyone is suited to drink Amarr Victor - visit www.amarrvictor.com
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The Illusion of Freedom | The Truth about Slavery |
Revan Neferis
The Archaeus of Blood
The Final Stand.
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Posted - 2010.06.30 17:26:00 -
[73]
Edited by: Revan Neferis on 30/06/2010 17:27:57
Originally by: Merdaneth
banner
I like it, although the size of the banner is disrupting the harmonious visual display of the forum, so I advice you re-size it.
Royalties to be sent to my personal account.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
Totally pagan, totally beautiful, totally worshipful. This is life
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Machiavelli's Nemesis
Angry Mustellid
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Posted - 2010.06.30 19:06:00 -
[74]
I realise it isnt really my place to comment on inter-corporation politics other than my own, but this sort of infighting will never be anything but counter productive. These caldari idiots with the usual amarrian hangers-on are as much a threat to us as ever, bickering amongst ourselves does **** all to further the war effort.
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Revan Neferis
The Archaeus of Blood
The Final Stand.
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Posted - 2010.06.30 19:16:00 -
[75]
Oh Merdaneth...
Of course, how I could I miss the detail. Etiquette obliges me to attend your subliminal request for a bottle of the Archaeus of Blood as I can understand that you couldn't afford it otherwise.
Best Red Wine in New Eden since Verisum times.
Enjoy.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
Totally pagan, totally beautiful, totally worshipful. This is life
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Black Necris
Minmatar
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.06.30 20:13:00 -
[76]
Edited by: Black Necris on 30/06/2010 20:13:26
Originally by: Revan Neferis
Oh Merdaneth...
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
Revan, be cautious if Merdaneth offers you a bottle of "Amarr Victor", its a purulent and putrid fluid thats supposed to pass as beer, made with liquids that spouts from unholy places, and its known to be tainted with urine and fecal matter.
Stay safe and drink "Eau du Nichup"« and "Citrus Nichup"«, made with the purest ingredients, it will quench your thirst all while giving you a taste of heaven. Jade Constantine approves.
"Whenever I hear any one arguing for slavery I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally." |
Revan Neferis
The Archaeus of Blood
The Final Stand.
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Posted - 2010.06.30 20:23:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Black Necris
Jade Constantine approves.
If that's true, I'll taste it from her lips, then let you know my review.
*winks
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
Totally pagan, totally beautiful, totally worshipful. This is life
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Eran Mintor
Minmatar
Ddial Chan Annwn
Annwn Matari
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Posted - 2010.06.30 20:48:00 -
[78]
Edited by: Eran Mintor on 30/06/2010 20:49:22
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Same old bland dribble.
Just goes to show, you can't tell your ass from your mouth.
Edit: Oh, on that note, enjoy your beverage from her "lips", Revan.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.06.30 20:53:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Eran Mintor
Bursting into tears in a cloud of emotional embarrassment...
Perhaps you shouldn't post on galnet if it upsets you so much.
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Revan Neferis
The Archaeus of Blood
The Final Stand.
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Posted - 2010.06.30 20:55:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Eran Mintor
on that note...
Another display of intellectual deficit with your corporation label on it, noted.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
Totally pagan, totally beautiful, totally worshipful. This is life
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Eran Mintor
Minmatar
Ddial Chan Annwn
Annwn Matari
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Posted - 2010.06.30 20:56:00 -
[81]
Don't hide your smile.
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Revan Neferis
The Archaeus of Blood
The Final Stand.
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Posted - 2010.06.30 21:03:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Eran Mintor
Don't hide your smile.
Your desperation starts to be palpable now... It's the point of no return.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
Totally pagan, totally beautiful, totally worshipful. This is life
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Sophie Starsparrow
Minmatar
Ddial Chan Annwn
Annwn Matari
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Posted - 2010.06.30 21:19:00 -
[83]
I have been waiting for months for Jade to show one pice of evidence showing me to be lying. Showing MATAR to be traitors. Jade lied. We caught it, and Star Fraction have been calling us traitors ever since. We have been loyal to the Minmatar people since our inception and the only thing we have ever done that could be considered traitorous is...well, lets see, we took in a Minmatar militia corp as well as our own...we have agreed to support I-Red in their move away from slavers, and now Eran Mintor has left the Amarrian militia. Yes, we certainly have worsened the cause of our people.
Meanwhile, we fight Sansha, and slander from the Star Fraction who desperately tries to paint us as Amarrian sympathizers all because Jade lied and refuses to admit it. Their arguments have devolved to repeating the same lies, ignoring their own words, insulting and slandering decent pilots and attempting to cause discord among those loyal to the Minmatar people. I have never, EVER, done anything to support the Amarr or Ammatar in either word or deed save for flying once in a coalition force against Sansha, and that only recently. Yet, this is what the argument devolves to?
Please keep up the childish rhetoric and I'm rubber you're glue philosophy. It's been working so well for you so far.
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Revan Neferis
The Archaeus of Blood
The Final Stand.
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Posted - 2010.06.30 21:21:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Sophie Starsparrow
Please keep up the childish rhetoric
Your corporation recruitment new motto? Ah I knew that has to be something collective to be so dull.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
Totally pagan, totally beautiful, totally worshipful. This is life
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Black Necris
Minmatar
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.06.30 21:41:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Revan Neferis
Originally by: Black Necris
Jade Constantine approves.
If that's true, I'll taste it from her lips, then let you know my review.
*winks
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
Can i see you two kiss eachother? just for investigative reasons...
"Whenever I hear any one arguing for slavery I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally." |
Revan Neferis
The Archaeus of Blood
The Final Stand.
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Posted - 2010.06.30 21:45:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Black Necris
Can i see you two kiss eachother? just for investigative reasons...
* laughs shaking her head playfully *
I'm sure that your request is highly connected with the Quality assurance of your product, although I'm not sure if your heart would take the sight so lightly.
*winks.
Let's not risk the good health of the leading archbishop of the new church of Providence, shall we?
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
Totally pagan, totally beautiful, totally worshipful. This is life
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.06.30 23:30:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Sophie Starsparrow
I have been waiting for months for Jade to show one pice of evidence showing me to be lying.
The last thread was full of it.
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... Showing MATAR to be traitors.
You made it quite apparent by your choice of associates and apologies you delivered for them.
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Jade lied. We caught it, and Star Fraction have been calling us traitors ever since. We have been loyal to the Minmatar people since our inception and the only thing we have ever done that could be considered traitorous is...well, lets see, we took in a Minmatar militia corp as well as our own...we have agreed to support I-Red in their move away from slavers, and now Eran Mintor has left the Amarrian militia. Yes, we certainly have worsened the cause of our people.
You helped I-RED to not renounce the CVA.
You ran propaganda attempts to justify their past role as "enforcers" for the slaver regime in Providence.
You've given a home a turncoat from the 24th Crusade who has been urging free minmatar to re-enslave themselves to imperialist dogma and Amarrian religion.
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Meanwhile, we fight Sansha, and slander from the Star Fraction who desperately tries to paint us as Amarrian sympathizers all because Jade lied and refuses to admit it. Their arguments have devolved to repeating the same lies, ignoring their own words, insulting and slandering decent pilots and attempting to cause discord among those loyal to the Minmatar people. I have never, EVER, done anything to support the Amarr or Ammatar in either word or deed save for flying once in a coalition force against Sansha, and that only recently. Yet, this is what the argument devolves to?
Until you admit your lying ways Sophie Starsparrow there is no real way we can progress its true. While its just a matter of you hurling groundless accusations while I point out you defended I-RED's role as "enforcers" for the Slavers of the CVA then there can be no middle ground and eventually we'll have a chance to continue the argument in space.
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The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.07.01 00:50:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Sophie Starsparrow
Jade lied. We caught it, [...]
Piffle. Sinister piffle.
You caught nothing.
Go on, produce your so-called evidence. Point to a single remark torn from its context and let me refute you once again. You didn't answer my refutation the last time and I dare say you won't when I refute you anew.
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[...]and Star Fraction have been calling us traitors ever since.
More precisely, we have pointed out your bad faith as a diplomat and your shocking lack of judgement when it comes to your allies and bedfellows.
I see that not content with harbouring one vile reptile in the shape of the odious Cheiftan, you now provide a convenient cover for the serpent Mintor. A cosy arrangement indeed: he who advocates wage-slavery under the control of the Heth tyranny for the Minmatar people now exists hand-in-hand with he who advocates that the Minmatar redefine their view of slavery û as if slavery were merely a natural fact of life that must needs be adjusted to rather than a vile and unnatural practice to be scorned and stamped out.
My own feeling is that you are a dupe in thrall to these twisted svengalis. Certainly any notion that freedom fighters can view you and your organization as reliable while such agents provocateurs are in your ranks cannot be entertained.
Are you traitors to the Minmatar? I leave that to the Minmatar to judge. You hardly serve the cause of general freedom though and your war in support of I-RED against us will not soon be forgotten by the Freecaptains of the Star Fraction.
The Cosmopolite
The Star Fraction Communications Portal |
DJ Obsidian
New Eden Technical Institutes
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Posted - 2010.07.01 03:07:00 -
[89]
Jade -
On behalf of most of galnet I implore you.
Please shut up.
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Sophie Starsparrow
Minmatar
Ddial Chan Annwn
Annwn Matari
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Posted - 2010.07.01 03:58:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Sophie Starsparrow
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Sophie Starsparrow
So, according to Jade who posted that conversation, he did actually make the statement you wanted him to, and he did so in public.
No he didn't and I'll thank you not to post "according to jade" in a dishonest fashion.
Oh, was this not you?
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Edited by: Jade Constantine on 06/05/2010 18:26:32
[ 2010.05.05 20:32:58 ] John Revenent > We are not slavers.
Originally by: Jade Constantine
[ 2010.05.05 20:33:27 ] The Cosmopolite > You happily worked with and supported the vile slaver regime of the CVA.
[ 2010.05.05 20:33:51 ] The Cosmopolite > You are an apologist for and supporter of slavery.
[ 2010.05.05 20:33:52 ] John Revenent > We do so no more, I suggest you work on your intel
The full thread can be found here : here.
This is actually where all the insults, lies, and empty accusations of supporting the Amarr began being directed at me by Star Fraction, in case you forgot Cosmo.
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