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1Ekrid1
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Posted - 2010.06.29 01:49:00 -
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T3 ships. seriously. they can kill a T1 cruiser in 4 seconds flat, with drones and tech Ii weapons. how is that in any way balanced. people say "sure you pay a lots and lose skills if yo die in it, so theres the risk". well Ill etll you theoretical risk is meaningless.
so a T3 can be blobbed, and lose their ship. great. that means nothing to pilots that cant afford T3 ships, and thats not really the same risk other pilots run. To make it clear, they're saying that the counter to the high power of the T3 is a Blob, hich is what makes it risky. a BLOB. not a fe other ships, a blob.
when lowsec becomes completely populated with T3s, we will not see any more faction or T1 or T2 ships in lwosec, we will never see younger players again. hte amount of pwoer the T3 ship has compared to its risk makes its risks laughably small.
T3 was a game balance breaking mistake. T2 is supposed to be better than T1. who would deny that? Butw was T2 really meant to be invincib ly better to T1, except if there was 5x more T2 ships? How about t3? Is it supposed to be invincibly better except if theres 25x more T1 ships, more than half of which will die to kill the T3 ship.
this game, through this mechanic encourages blobs.
Why not T2 and T3 were both quarter steps above the T1 and T2 versions, and with only a quarter of the cost they are now, and so on. Small progression and a little more power for a more hefty pricetag, thats how you run a balanced game that works. CCP, your "game balance" theories are ****.
There's 1, repeat 1, frigate in the T1 lineup designed to be a suicide tackler. the rest are for COMBAT. so don't tell me to tackle when I'm in a combat T1 frig. OR tell CCP to fix their mess. |
Daemonio
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Posted - 2010.06.29 01:55:00 -
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Who would win in a fight, a modern jet fighter, or a WWI prop plane?
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Pr1ncess Alia
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Posted - 2010.06.29 01:57:00 -
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Edited by: Pr1ncess Alia on 29/06/2010 01:57:57
I'll grant you this:
CCP often displays it's hipocracy and lack of a real conhesive vision for the game by stepping on past words with new ideas.
Example in this case, t3 ships vs the nanonerf.
People like OP: wah wah ships are fast we have to actually think to kill them
CCP: your right. fast ships are able to pull out of combat too easily and don't commit. *nerf bat*
CCP Some time later: Hey guys! We just made these awesome new ships that can basically run and hide from ANYTHING.
Now you must understand, i'm only pointing out the obvious. I think in both cases people crying because they can't kill a ship are stupid and need to learn to pvp. The nanonerf was a mistake and nerfing t3 ships would also be a mistake.
tl;dr LEARN TO PLAY, HTFU, OR GO BACK TO WOW
edit: eve is dying 
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Minchurra
Caldari
Feudum Chalybis
Primary.
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Posted - 2010.06.29 01:57:00 -
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What are you waiting for?
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Balsak
Minmatar
Friends of Bigfoot
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Posted - 2010.06.29 02:05:00 -
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Well this should be an interestingly stupid thread to watch for the lulz.
T3 whine. Check.
Nano Nerf whine. Check.
Awaits the dual prop, module stacking, sensor booster, carrier and cruise launcher on frigates nerf whines next.
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Barkaial Starfinder
Minmatar
Conflagration.
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Posted - 2010.06.29 02:07:00 -
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Strategic Cruiser, It's strategic.
It has good means to pick fights and that's all.
If the pilot pick a bad fight for him, he will lose.
If you are something he didn't predict, he will lose.
I've seen some T3 get hosed by BC + Cruiser.
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1Ekrid1
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Posted - 2010.06.29 02:21:00 -
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Edited by: 1Ekrid1 on 29/06/2010 02:24:08
Edited by: 1Ekrid1 on 29/06/2010 02:23:18
 Originally by: Barkaial Starfinder
Strategic Cruiser, It's strategic.
It has good means to pick fights and that's all.
If the pilot pick a bad fight for him, he will lose.
If you are something he didn't predict, he will lose.
I've seen some T3 get hosed by BC + Cruiser.
okay let me put it this way. a T3 cruiser taking out a T1 cruiser like its 5 concord ships taking out someone who went GCC is not tactical. its not anythi gn other than "hurr durr I use bil isk and press button = I win".
Originally by: Daemonio
Who would win in a fight, a modern jet fighter, or a WWI prop plane?
grossly ******ed fail quote you picked up from other braindead types who regurgitate that in response to any balancing thread.
you might say its more like an F15 vs an F22. That should be the diffence, but you are correct, they ahve made it the difference of a wright brothers plane to a F-22.
3 seconds and dead is not balance, no matter how you cut it.
There's 1, repeat 1, frigate in the T1 lineup designed to be a suicide tackler. the rest are for COMBAT. so don't tell me to tackle when I'm in a combat T1 frig. OR tell CCP to fix their mess. |
Pr1ncess Alia
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Posted - 2010.06.29 02:26:00 -
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Originally by: Balsak
Well this should be an interestingly stupid thread to watch for the lulz.
T3 whine. Check.
Nano Nerf whine. Check.
Awaits the dual prop, module stacking, sensor booster, carrier and cruise launcher on frigates nerf whines next.
whine.... whine. Check.
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Zions Child
Caldari
Carthage Industries
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Posted - 2010.06.29 02:28:00 -
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Originally by: 1Ekrid1
Edited by: 1Ekrid1 on 29/06/2010 02:24:08
Edited by: 1Ekrid1 on 29/06/2010 02:23:18
Originally by: Barkaial Starfinder
Strategic Cruiser, It's strategic.
It has good means to pick fights and that's all.
If the pilot pick a bad fight for him, he will lose.
If you are something he didn't predict, he will lose.
I've seen some T3 get hosed by BC + Cruiser.
okay let me put it this way. a T3 cruiser taking out a T1 cruiser like its 5 concord ships taking out someone who went GCC is not tactical. its not anythi gn other than "hurr durr I use bil isk and press button = I win".
Originally by: Daemonio
Who would win in a fight, a modern jet fighter, or a WWI prop plane?
grossly ******ed fail quote you picked up from other braindead types who regurgitate that in response to any balancing thread.
you might say its more like an F15 vs an F22. That should be the diffence, but you are correct, they ahve made it the difference of a wright brothers plane to a F-22.
3 seconds and dead is not balance, no matter how you cut it.
Actually, when its an F22 vs. and F15, I wouldn't give the F15 3 seconds (after flight time, that is).
Also, if a T3 is fitted to take out a cruiser in a few seconds, then it has a **** tank. The cruiser also probably has a **** tank. The thing about the T3 ship that killed a cruiser in 3 seconds, is that if it got caught by anything it couldn't out damage, say 2 cruisers, or a cruiser and a BC, it would be toast.
T3
[]Amazing Tank
[]Uncatchable
[]Amazing DPS
Pick One.
Originally by: CCP Shadow
*snip* Castration successful. Shadow.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.06.29 02:31:00 -
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Originally by: 1Ekrid1
okay let me put it this way. a T3 cruiser taking out a T1 cruiser like its 5 concord ships taking out someone who went GCC is not tactical. its not anythi gn other than "hurr durr I use bil isk and press button = I win".
One blackbird plus one t1 damage cruiser vs one t3 equals one dead t3. Seems pretty balanced to me.
Originally by: 1Ekrid1
Originally by: Daemonio
Who would win in a fight, a modern jet fighter, or a WWI prop plane?
grossly ******ed fail quote you picked up from other braindead types who regurgitate that in response to any balancing thread.
you might say its more like an F15 vs an F22. That should be the diffence, but you are correct, they ahve made it the difference of a wright brothers plane to a F-22.
3 seconds and dead is not balance, no matter how you cut it.
An f22 would win every time vs an f15 so it might as well be a bi-plane.
Originally by: Balsak
Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
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Poeser Rufus
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Posted - 2010.06.29 02:31:00 -
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how about using a bil on pirate cruisers?
pretty sure some of them could kill T3¦s pretty easy ;-)
vigil 927dps
ashimmu will kill any active T3¦s with 3 med nos
cynabel 2496m/s max speed 734 dps
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but i guess as long as you fit your cruisers with less ehp then most assault frigs, you¦ll die again...
(4seconds x 1100dps which is high in your favor = 4400 ehp)
you¦re sure you didn¦t fly a destroyer
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Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
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Posted - 2010.06.29 02:33:00 -
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Quote:
T3 ships
i...what?
seriously? In the big giant list of 'things CCP have done to ruin EVE', t3s are pretty much at the bottom of the list next to medium shader and the occasional alteration of the default UI color scheme
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Pr1ncess Alia
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Posted - 2010.06.29 02:35:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
An f22 would win every time vs an f15 so it might as well be a bi-plane.
not to tangent too much off the topic but... that would be a very conditional statement. from both a situational and environmental standpoint
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Hecatonis
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.06.29 02:38:00 -
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you complain a lot.
maybe next time you should fail tank a ship.
and wh ythe hell did you try to take a t3 with a t1? you do know that you are out classed, out gunned, and fighting a guy that has a lot more cash to fit some very nice mods on his ship right?
you entered a fight that you had no chance of winning, you lost. surprised? why? learn to play
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.06.29 02:42:00 -
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Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia
Originally by: Zeba
An f22 would win every time vs an f15 so it might as well be a bi-plane.
not to tangent too much off the topic but... that would be a very conditional statement. from both a situational and environmental standpoint
Of course it is. Just like his horrible argument about the 'imbalance' between t3 and t1. Generate the correct conditions and even an aging late 1960's design dogfighter can beat a modern 21st century stealth fighter provided the f15 has the latest upgrades to its radar and firecontrol. But generally speaking in a normal 1 vs 1 the f15 and t1 cruiser are going to get creamed by the vastly advanced models.
Originally by: Balsak
Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
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Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.06.29 02:43:00 -
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Originally by: Hecatonis
you complain a lot.
maybe next time you should fail tank a ship.
and wh ythe hell did you try to take a t3 with a t1? you do know that you are out classed, out gunned, and fighting a guy that has a lot more cash to fit some very nice mods on his ship right?
you entered a fight that you had no chance of winning, you lost. surprised? why? learn to play
On the other hand sometimes you get the guy in the T3 that obviously bought the character and isk and completely botches the fitting for some funny killmails 
Originally by: captain foivos
It's not griefing, it's surprise PvP.
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Balsak
Minmatar
Friends of Bigfoot
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Posted - 2010.06.29 02:45:00 -
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Edited by: Balsak on 29/06/2010 02:46:10
Edited by: Balsak on 29/06/2010 02:45:58
Bleh, this thread is boring.
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1Ekrid1
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Posted - 2010.06.29 02:47:00 -
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Pirate - "Lowsec is dead no newbie wants to come here"
Pirate2 - Ahahah Im soo badass my proteous can vaporize a cruiser in 3 seconds"
Pirate - "But there still is almost noone in lowsec all those nasty carebears are staying in highsec, if they just fit their T1 ships better they would stand a chance but they're just scared"
Pirate2 - "ahahaha diee stupid newbie" *1 volleys some newbies tanked cruiser* "oh what were you saying just now pirate1?"
this game is made of fail since T3.
There's 1, repeat 1, frigate in the T1 lineup designed to be a suicide tackler. the rest are for COMBAT. so don't tell me to tackle when I'm in a combat T1 frig. OR tell CCP to fix their mess. |
Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.06.29 02:50:00 -
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Originally by: 1Ekrid1
Pirate - "Lowsec is dead no newbie wants to come here"
Pirate2 - Ahahah Im soo badass my proteous can vaporize a cruiser in 3 seconds"
Pirate - "But there still is almost noone in lowsec all those nasty carebears are staying in highsec, if they just fit their T1 ships better they would stand a chance but they're just scared"
Pirate2 - "ahahaha diee stupid newbie" *1 volleys some newbies tanked cruiser* "oh what were you saying just now pirate1?"
FW Gang - "Nice T3 mate. I think we'll blow it up."
this game is made of fail since CCP let me poast again.
Fixed.
Originally by: Balsak
Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
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1Ekrid1
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Posted - 2010.06.29 02:53:00 -
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Edited by: 1Ekrid1 on 29/06/2010 02:55:57
Originally by: Zions Child
Originally by: 1Ekrid1
Edited by: 1Ekrid1 on 29/06/2010 02:24:08
Edited by: 1Ekrid1 on 29/06/2010 02:23:18
Originally by: Barkaial Starfinder
Strategic Cruiser, It's strategic.
It has good means to pick fights and that's all.
If the pilot pick a bad fight for him, he will lose.
If you are something he didn't predict, he will lose.
I've seen some T3 get hosed by BC + Cruiser.
okay let me put it this way. a T3 cruiser taking out a T1 cruiser like its 5 concord ships taking out someone who went GCC is not tactical. its not anythi gn other than "hurr durr I use bil isk and press button = I win".
Originally by: Daemonio
Who would win in a fight, a modern jet fighter, or a WWI prop plane?
grossly ******ed fail quote you picked up from other braindead types who regurgitate that in response to any balancing thread.
you might say its more like an F15 vs an F22. That should be the diffence, but you are correct, they ahve made it the difference of a wright brothers plane to a F-22.
3 seconds and dead is not balance, no matter how you cut it.
Actually, when its an F22 vs. and F15, I wouldn't give the F15 3 seconds (after flight time, that is).
Also, if a T3 is fitted to take out a cruiser in a few seconds, then it has a **** tank. The cruiser also probably has a **** tank. The thing about the T3 ship that killed a cruiser in 3 seconds, is that if it got caught by anything it couldn't out damage, say 2 cruisers, or a cruiser and a BC, it would be toast.
T3
[]Amazing Tank
[]Uncatchable
[]Amazing DPS
Pick One.
no its more like pick the first two, then add the last one with T2 weapons, T2 drones, and overheating. stupidly its true.
really, what do you call amazing DPS? I call amazing DPS anything that chews shields armor and hull up in only 3 volleys. and yet my haevy pulse lasers cant sratch the shielding? really. and my tank of resists cant stop the massive gankig?n
There's 1, repeat 1, frigate in the T1 lineup designed to be a suicide tackler. the rest are for COMBAT. so don't tell me to tackle when I'm in a combat T1 frig. OR tell CCP to fix their mess. |
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Balsak
Minmatar
Friends of Bigfoot
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Posted - 2010.06.29 02:53:00 -
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Originally by: 1Ekrid1
Pirate - "Lowsec is dead no newbie wants to come here"
Pirate2 - Ahahah Im soo badass my proteous can vaporize a cruiser in 3 seconds"
Pirate - "But there still is almost noone in lowsec all those nasty carebears are staying in highsec, if they just fit their T1 ships better they would stand a chance but they're just scared"
Pirate2 - "ahahaha diee stupid newbie" *1 volleys some newbies tanked cruiser* "oh what were you saying just now pirate1?"
this game is made of fail since T3.
Boooooo, hissssssss, get off the stage.
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Hecatonis
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.06.29 02:54:00 -
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Originally by: 1Ekrid1
Pirate - "Lowsec is dead no newbie wants to come here"
Pirate2 - Ahahah Im soo badass my proteous can vaporize a cruiser in 3 seconds"
Pirate - "But there still is almost noone in lowsec all those nasty carebears are staying in highsec, if they just fit their T1 ships better they would stand a chance but they're just scared"
Pirate2 - "ahahaha diee stupid newbie" *1 volleys some newbies tanked cruiser* "oh what were you saying just now pirate1?"
this game is made of fail since T3.
i thought this game was fail since they didnt support your cr*p Mac setup? if you dont like it quit, save us your constant complaining about a game you pay for and dont like.
if you cant be bothered to think before getting into a fight, then you will loose, why come here and complain about it.
your ship was not tanked, it lost, get over it
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Pr1ncess Alia
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Posted - 2010.06.29 03:00:00 -
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Originally by: 1Ekrid1
I call amazing DPS anything that chews shields armor and hull up in only 3 volleys. and yet my haevy pulse lasers cant sratch the shielding? really. and my tank of resists cant stop the massive gankig?n
show us on the doll where the t3 hurt you
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1Ekrid1
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Posted - 2010.06.29 03:03:00 -
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Edited by: 1Ekrid1 on 29/06/2010 03:05:58
enjoy having a dead lowsec Hecatonis?
I was trying to get away. his MWD got him to me from 30km to 5000m within 5 seconds, his guns killed in 3 seconds. yeah, thats not reatrded at all.
tell me, you thikn a cruiser should be able to tank 180 DPS, while doing 1400 per volley? T2 drones obviously included. and MWD at 3km/s?
There's 1, repeat 1, frigate in the T1 lineup designed to be a suicide tackler. the rest are for COMBAT. so don't tell me to tackle when I'm in a combat T1 frig. OR tell CCP to fix their mess. |
WhiteSavage
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.06.29 03:04:00 -
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Originally by: 1Ekrid1
T3 ships. seriously. they can kill a T1 cruiser in 4 seconds flat, with drones and tech Ii weapons. how is that in any way balanced. people say "sure you pay a lots and lose skills if yo die in it, so theres the risk". well Ill etll you theoretical risk is meaningless.
so a T3 can be blobbed, and lose their ship. great. that means nothing to pilots that cant afford T3 ships, and thats not really the same risk other pilots run. To make it clear, they're saying that the counter to the high power of the T3 is a Blob, hich is what makes it risky. a BLOB. not a fe other ships, a blob.
when lowsec becomes completely populated with T3s, we will not see any more faction or T1 or T2 ships in lwosec, we will never see younger players again. hte amount of pwoer the T3 ship has compared to its risk makes its risks laughably small.
T3 was a game balance breaking mistake. T2 is supposed to be better than T1. who would deny that? Butw was T2 really meant to be invincib ly better to T1, except if there was 5x more T2 ships? How about t3? Is it supposed to be invincibly better except if theres 25x more T1 ships, more than half of which will die to kill the T3 ship.
this game, through this mechanic encourages blobs.
Why not T2 and T3 were both quarter steps above the T1 and T2 versions, and with only a quarter of the cost they are now, and so on. Small progression and a little more power for a more hefty pricetag, thats how you run a balanced game that works. CCP, your "game balance" theories are ****.
A t1 battleship (lets say 100m isk) could easily beat a t3 (lets say 600m isk)
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.06.29 03:06:00 -
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Originally by: 1Ekrid1
I was trying to get away. his MWD got him to me from 30km to 5000m within 5 seconds, his guns killed in 3 seconds. yeah, thats not reatrded at all.
Could you show us the fit you used on your cruiser? It might help us to understand your plight.
Originally by: Balsak
Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
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Balsak
Minmatar
Friends of Bigfoot
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Posted - 2010.06.29 03:06:00 -
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Originally by: 1Ekrid1
enjoy having a dead lowsec Hecatonis?
I was trying to get away. his MWD got him to me from 30km to 5000m within 5 seconds, his guns killed in 3 seconds. yeah, thats not reatrded at all.
What's retrardedmated is the fact you got caught and is now publicly whining about it here.
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1Ekrid1
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Posted - 2010.06.29 03:08:00 -
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Originally by: WhiteSavage
Originally by: 1Ekrid1
T3 ships. seriously. they can kill a T1 cruiser in 4 seconds flat, with drones and tech Ii weapons. how is that in any way balanced. people say "sure you pay a lots and lose skills if yo die in it, so theres the risk". well Ill etll you theoretical risk is meaningless.
so a T3 can be blobbed, and lose their ship. great. that means nothing to pilots that cant afford T3 ships, and thats not really the same risk other pilots run. To make it clear, they're saying that the counter to the high power of the T3 is a Blob, hich is what makes it risky. a BLOB. not a fe other ships, a blob.
when lowsec becomes completely populated with T3s, we will not see any more faction or T1 or T2 ships in lwosec, we will never see younger players again. hte amount of pwoer the T3 ship has compared to its risk makes its risks laughably small.
T3 was a game balance breaking mistake. T2 is supposed to be better than T1. who would deny that? Butw was T2 really meant to be invincib ly better to T1, except if there was 5x more T2 ships? How about t3? Is it supposed to be invincibly better except if theres 25x more T1 ships, more than half of which will die to kill the T3 ship.
this game, through this mechanic encourages blobs.
Why not T2 and T3 were both quarter steps above the T1 and T2 versions, and with only a quarter of the cost they are now, and so on. Small progression and a little more power for a more hefty pricetag, thats how you run a balanced game that works. CCP, your "game balance" theories are ****.
A t1 battleship (lets say 100m isk) could easily beat a t3 (lets say 600m isk)
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oh good, you're saying that you have to go up in weight class two times in order for it not to be a time wasting worthless gankfest.
good to know. everyone needs to bring a bigger ship to not get completely hosed by a ship of a smaller class.
Isnt that why people don't want frigates to have any more ability? When T3 frigates come out, and they start hosing cruisers and BCs left and right, don't come back and complain, since you think there's nothing wrong with it.
There's 1, repeat 1, frigate in the T1 lineup designed to be a suicide tackler. the rest are for COMBAT. so don't tell me to tackle when I'm in a combat T1 frig. OR tell CCP to fix their mess. |
Hecatonis
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.06.29 03:09:00 -
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Originally by: 1Ekrid1
enjoy having a dead lowsec Hecatonis?
I was trying to get away. his MWD got him to me from 30km to 5000m within 5 seconds, his guns killed in 3 seconds. yeah, thats not reatrded at all.
yes, yes i do. i am a highsec carebear that does exploration, complexes, and other fun stuff in lowsec. having people no where in sight lets me and my corp have a good old time racking in the cash.
your insult is as poor as your ship fitting.
learn to play the game little boy and keep on complaining about things that are ultimately your fault, your sh*tty mac being one of them
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Felix Esperium
Lysergic Distortions Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.06.29 03:14:00 -
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voting 1ekrid1 for worst new forums poster
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