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1Ekrid1	Posted - 2010.06.29 01:49:00 - [1] T3 ships. seriously. they can kill a T1 cruiser in 4 seconds flat, with drones and tech Ii weapons. how is that in any way balanced. people say "sure you pay a lots and lose skills if yo die in it, so theres the risk". well Ill etll you theoretical risk is meaningless. so a T3 can be blobbed, and lose their ship. great. that means nothing to pilots that cant afford T3 ships, and thats not really the same risk other pilots run. To make it clear, they're saying that the counter to the high power of the T3 is a Blob, hich is what makes it risky. a BLOB. not a fe other ships, a blob. when lowsec becomes completely populated with T3s, we will not see any more faction or T1 or T2 ships in lwosec, we will never see younger players again. hte amount of pwoer the T3 ship has compared to its risk makes its risks laughably small. T3 was a game balance breaking mistake. T2 is supposed to be better than T1. who would deny that? Butw was T2 really meant to be invincib ly better to T1, except if there was 5x more T2 ships? How about t3? Is it supposed to be invincibly better except if theres 25x more T1 ships, more than half of which will die to kill the T3 ship. this game, through this mechanic encourages blobs. Why not T2 and T3 were both quarter steps above the T1 and T2 versions, and with only a quarter of the cost they are now, and so on. Small progression and a little more power for a more hefty pricetag, thats how you run a balanced game that works. CCP, your "game balance" theories are ****. There's 1, repeat 1, frigate in the T1 lineup designed to be a suicide tackler. the rest are for COMBAT. so don't tell me to tackle when I'm in a combat T1 frig. OR tell CCP to fix their mess.
Daemonio	Posted - 2010.06.29 01:55:00 - [2] Who would win in a fight, a modern jet fighter, or a WWI prop plane?
Pr1ncess Alia	Posted - 2010.06.29 01:57:00 - [3] Edited by: Pr1ncess Alia on 29/06/2010 01:57:57 I'll grant you this: CCP often displays it's hipocracy and lack of a real conhesive vision for the game by stepping on past words with new ideas. Example in this case, t3 ships vs the nanonerf. People like OP: wah wah ships are fast we have to actually think to kill them CCP: your right. fast ships are able to pull out of combat too easily and don't commit. nerf bat CCP Some time later: Hey guys! We just made these awesome new ships that can basically run and hide from ANYTHING. Now you must understand, i'm only pointing out the obvious. I think in both cases people crying because they can't kill a ship are stupid and need to learn to pvp. The nanonerf was a mistake and nerfing t3 ships would also be a mistake. tl;dr LEARN TO PLAY, HTFU, OR GO BACK TO WOW edit: eve is dying -- A game that is significantly nonlinear is sometimes described as being open-ended or a sandbox, and is characterized by there being no "right way" of playing the game.
Minchurra Caldari Feudum Chalybis Primary.	Posted - 2010.06.29 01:57:00 - [4] What are you waiting for?
Balsak Minmatar Friends of Bigfoot	Posted - 2010.06.29 02:05:00 - [5] Well this should be an interestingly stupid thread to watch for the lulz. T3 whine. Check. Nano Nerf whine. Check. Awaits the dual prop, module stacking, sensor booster, carrier and cruise launcher on frigates nerf whines next.
Barkaial Starfinder Minmatar Conflagration.	Posted - 2010.06.29 02:07:00 - [6] Strategic Cruiser, It's strategic. It has good means to pick fights and that's all. If the pilot pick a bad fight for him, he will lose. If you are something he didn't predict, he will lose. I've seen some T3 get hosed by BC + Cruiser.
1Ekrid1	Posted - 2010.06.29 02:21:00 - [7] Edited by: 1Ekrid1 on 29/06/2010 02:24:08 Edited by: 1Ekrid1 on 29/06/2010 02:23:18 Originally by: Barkaial Starfinder Strategic Cruiser, It's strategic. It has good means to pick fights and that's all. If the pilot pick a bad fight for him, he will lose. If you are something he didn't predict, he will lose. I've seen some T3 get hosed by BC + Cruiser. okay let me put it this way. a T3 cruiser taking out a T1 cruiser like its 5 concord ships taking out someone who went GCC is not tactical. its not anythi gn other than "hurr durr I use bil isk and press button = I win". Originally by: Daemonio Who would win in a fight, a modern jet fighter, or a WWI prop plane? grossly ******ed fail quote you picked up from other braindead types who regurgitate that in response to any balancing thread. you might say its more like an F15 vs an F22. That should be the diffence, but you are correct, they ahve made it the difference of a wright brothers plane to a F-22. 3 seconds and dead is not balance, no matter how you cut it. There's 1, repeat 1, frigate in the T1 lineup designed to be a suicide tackler. the rest are for COMBAT. so don't tell me to tackle when I'm in a combat T1 frig. OR tell CCP to fix their mess.
Pr1ncess Alia	Posted - 2010.06.29 02:26:00 - [8] Originally by: Balsak Well this should be an interestingly stupid thread to watch for the lulz. T3 whine. Check. Nano Nerf whine. Check. Awaits the dual prop, module stacking, sensor booster, carrier and cruise launcher on frigates nerf whines next. whine.... whine. Check. -- A game that is significantly nonlinear is sometimes described as being open-ended or a sandbox, and is characterized by there being no "right way" of playing the game.
Zions Child Caldari Carthage Industries	Posted - 2010.06.29 02:28:00 - [9] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 Edited by: 1Ekrid1 on 29/06/2010 02:24:08 Edited by: 1Ekrid1 on 29/06/2010 02:23:18 Originally by: Barkaial Starfinder Strategic Cruiser, It's strategic. It has good means to pick fights and that's all. If the pilot pick a bad fight for him, he will lose. If you are something he didn't predict, he will lose. I've seen some T3 get hosed by BC + Cruiser. okay let me put it this way. a T3 cruiser taking out a T1 cruiser like its 5 concord ships taking out someone who went GCC is not tactical. its not anythi gn other than "hurr durr I use bil isk and press button = I win". Originally by: Daemonio Who would win in a fight, a modern jet fighter, or a WWI prop plane? grossly ****ed fail quote you picked up from other braindead types who regurgitate that in response to any balancing thread. you might say its more like an F15 vs an F22. That should be the diffence, but you are correct, they ahve made it the difference of a wright brothers plane to a F-22. 3 seconds and dead is not balance, no matter how you cut it. Actually, when its an F22 vs. and F15, I wouldn't give the F15 3 seconds (after flight time, that is). Also, if a T3 is fitted to take out a cruiser in a few seconds, then it has a tank. The cruiser also probably has a tank. The thing about the T3 ship that killed a cruiser in 3 seconds, is that if it got caught by anything it couldn't out damage, say 2 cruisers, or a cruiser and a BC, it would be toast. T3 []Amazing Tank []Uncatchable []Amazing DPS Pick One. Originally by:** CCP Shadow snip Castration successful. Shadow.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.06.29 02:31:00 - [10] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 okay let me put it this way. a T3 cruiser taking out a T1 cruiser like its 5 concord ships taking out someone who went GCC is not tactical. its not anythi gn other than "hurr durr I use bil isk and press button = I win". One blackbird plus one t1 damage cruiser vs one t3 equals one dead t3. Seems pretty balanced to me. Originally by: 1Ekrid1 Originally by: Daemonio Who would win in a fight, a modern jet fighter, or a WWI prop plane? grossly ****ed fail quote you picked up from other braindead types who regurgitate that in response to any balancing thread. you might say its more like an F15 vs an F22. That should be the diffence, but you are correct, they ahve made it the difference of a wright brothers plane to a F-22. 3 seconds and dead is not balance, no matter how you cut it. An f22 would win every time vs an f15 so it might as well be a bi-plane. Originally by:** Balsak Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.

Poeser Rufus	Posted - 2010.06.29 02:31:00 - [11] how about using a bil on pirate cruisers? pretty sure some of them could kill T3¦s pretty easy ;-) vigil 927dps ashimmu will kill any active T3¦s with 3 med nos cynabel 2496m/s max speed 734 dps ... but i guess as long as you fit your cruisers with less ehp then most assault frigs, you¦ll die again... (4seconds x 1100dps which is high in your favor = 4400 ehp) you¦re sure you didn¦t fly a destroyer
Chaos Incarnate Faceless Logistics	Posted - 2010.06.29 02:33:00 - [12] Quote: T3 ships i...what? seriously? In the big giant list of 'things CCP have done to ruin EVE', t3s are pretty much at the bottom of the list next to medium shader and the occasional alteration of the default UI color scheme _____________________ Horrors! Demons in the deep!
Pr1ncess Alia	Posted - 2010.06.29 02:35:00 - [13] Originally by: Zeba An f22 would win every time vs an f15 so it might as well be a bi-plane. not to tangent too much off the topic but... that would be a very conditional statement. from both a situational and environmental standpoint -- A game that is significantly nonlinear is sometimes described as being open-ended or a sandbox, and is characterized by there being no "right way" of playing the game.
Hecatonis Amarr	Posted - 2010.06.29 02:38:00 - [14] you complain a lot. maybe next time you should fail tank a ship. and wh ythe hell did you try to take a t3 with a t1? you do know that you are out classed, out gunned, and fighting a guy that has a lot more cash to fit some very nice mods on his ship right? you entered a fight that you had no chance of winning, you lost. surprised? why? learn to play __________________________________________________ stop acting like tw*ts and use your brain
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.06.29 02:42:00 - [15] Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia Originally by: Zeba An f22 would win every time vs an f15 so it might as well be a bi-plane. not to tangent too much off the topic but... that would be a very conditional statement. from both a situational and environmental standpoint Of course it is. Just like his horrible argument about the 'imbalance' between t3 and t1. Generate the correct conditions and even an aging late 1960's design dogfighter can beat a modern 21st century stealth fighter provided the f15 has the latest upgrades to its radar and firecontrol. But generally speaking in a normal 1 vs 1 the f15 and t1 cruiser are going to get creamed by the vastly advanced models. Originally by: Balsak Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
Intense Thinker Minmatar	Posted - 2010.06.29 02:43:00 - [16] Originally by: Hecatonis you complain a lot. maybe next time you should fail tank a ship. and wh ythe hell did you try to take a t3 with a t1? you do know that you are out classed, out gunned, and fighting a guy that has a lot more cash to fit some very nice mods on his ship right? you entered a fight that you had no chance of winning, you lost. surprised? why? learn to play On the other hand sometimes you get the guy in the T3 that obviously bought the character and isk and completely botches the fitting for some funny killmails Originally by: captain foivos It's not griefing, it's surprise PvP.
Balsak Minmatar Friends of Bigfoot	Posted - 2010.06.29 02:45:00 - [17] Edited by: Balsak on 29/06/2010 02:46:10 Edited by: Balsak on 29/06/2010 02:45:58 Bleh, this thread is boring.
1Ekrid1	Posted - 2010.06.29 02:47:00 - [18] Pirate - "Lowsec is dead no newbie wants to come here" Pirate2 - Ahahah Im soo badass my proteous can vaporize a cruiser in 3 seconds" Pirate - "But there still is almost noone in lowsec all those nasty carebears are staying in highsec, if they just fit their T1 ships better they would stand a chance but they're just scared" Pirate2 - "ahahaha diee stupid newbie" 1 volleys some newbies tanked cruiser "oh what were you saying just now pirate1?" this game is made of fail since T3. There's 1, repeat 1, frigate in the T1 lineup designed to be a suicide tackler. the rest are for COMBAT. so don't tell me to tackle when I'm in a combat T1 frig. OR tell CCP to fix their mess.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.06.29 02:50:00 - [19] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 Pirate - "Lowsec is dead no newbie wants to come here" Pirate2 - Ahahah Im soo badass my proteous can vaporize a cruiser in 3 seconds" Pirate - "But there still is almost noone in lowsec all those nasty carebears are staying in highsec, if they just fit their T1 ships better they would stand a chance but they're just scared" Pirate2 - "ahahaha diee stupid newbie" 1 volleys some newbies tanked cruiser "oh what were you saying just now pirate1?" FW Gang - "Nice T3 mate. I think we'll blow it up." this game is made of fail since CCP let me poast again. Fixed. Originally by: Balsak Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
1Ekrid1	Posted - 2010.06.29 02:53:00 - [20] Edited by: 1Ekrid1 on 29/06/2010 02:55:57 Originally by: Zions Child Originally by: 1Ekrid1 Edited by: 1Ekrid1 on 29/06/2010 02:24:08 Edited by: 1Ekrid1 on 29/06/2010 02:23:18 Originally by: Barkaial Starfinder Strategic Cruiser, It's strategic. It has good means to pick fights and that's all. If the pilot pick a bad fight for him, he will lose. If you are something he didn't predict, he will lose. I've seen some T3 get hosed by BC + Cruiser. okay let me put it this way. a T3 cruiser taking out a T1 cruiser like its 5 concord ships taking out someone who went GCC is not tactical. its not anythi gn other than "hurr durr I use bil isk and press button = I win". Originally by: Daemonio Who would win in a fight, a modern jet fighter, or a WWI prop plane? grossly ****ed fail quote you picked up from other braindead types who regurgitate that in response to any balancing thread. you might say its more like an F15 vs an F22. That should be the diffence, but you are correct, they ahve made it the difference of a wright brothers plane to a F-22. 3 seconds and dead is not balance, no matter how you cut it. Actually, when its an F22 vs. and F15, I wouldn't give the F15 3 seconds (after flight time, that is). Also, if a T3 is fitted to take out a cruiser in a few seconds, then it has a tank. The cruiser also probably has a ** tank. The thing about the T3 ship that killed a cruiser in 3 seconds, is that if it got caught by anything it couldn't out damage, say 2 cruisers, or a cruiser and a BC, it would be toast. T3 []Amazing Tank []Uncatchable []Amazing DPS Pick One. no its more like pick the first two, then add the last one with T2 weapons, T2 drones, and overheating. stupidly its true. really, what do you call amazing DPS? I call amazing DPS anything that chews shields armor and hull up in only 3 volleys. and yet my haevy pulse lasers cant sratch the shielding? really. and my tank of resists cant stop the massive gankig?n There's 1, repeat 1, frigate in the T1 lineup designed to be a suicide tackler. the rest are for COMBAT. so don't tell me to tackle when I'm in a combat T1 frig. OR tell CCP to fix their mess.

Balsak Minmatar Friends of Bigfoot	Posted - 2010.06.29 02:53:00 - [21] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 Pirate - "Lowsec is dead no newbie wants to come here" Pirate2 - Ahahah Im soo badass my proteous can vaporize a cruiser in 3 seconds" Pirate - "But there still is almost noone in lowsec all those nasty carebears are staying in highsec, if they just fit their T1 ships better they would stand a chance but they're just scared" Pirate2 - "ahahaha diee stupid newbie" 1 volleys some newbies tanked cruiser "oh what were you saying just now pirate1?" this game is made of fail since T3. Boooooo, hissssssss, get off the stage.
Hecatonis Amarr	Posted - 2010.06.29 02:54:00 - [22] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 Pirate - "Lowsec is dead no newbie wants to come here" Pirate2 - Ahahah Im soo badass my proteous can vaporize a cruiser in 3 seconds" Pirate - "But there still is almost noone in lowsec all those nasty carebears are staying in highsec, if they just fit their T1 ships better they would stand a chance but they're just scared" Pirate2 - "ahahaha diee stupid newbie" 1 volleys some newbies tanked cruiser "oh what were you saying just now pirate1?" this game is made of fail since T3. i thought this game was fail since they didnt support your crp Mac setup? if you dont like it quit, save us your constant complaining about a game you pay for and dont like. if you cant be bothered to think before getting into a fight, then you will loose, why come here and complain about it. your ship was not tanked, it lost, get over it __________________________________________________ stop acting like twts and use your brain
Pr1ncess Alia	Posted - 2010.06.29 03:00:00 - [23] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 I call amazing DPS anything that chews shields armor and hull up in only 3 volleys. and yet my haevy pulse lasers cant sratch the shielding? really. and my tank of resists cant stop the massive gankig?n show us on the doll where the t3 hurt you -- A game that is significantly nonlinear is sometimes described as being open-ended or a sandbox, and is characterized by there being no "right way" of playing the game.
1Ekrid1	Posted - 2010.06.29 03:03:00 - [24] Edited by: 1Ekrid1 on 29/06/2010 03:05:58 enjoy having a dead lowsec Hecatonis? I was trying to get away. his MWD got him to me from 30km to 5000m within 5 seconds, his guns killed in 3 seconds. yeah, thats not reatrded at all. tell me, you thikn a cruiser should be able to tank 180 DPS, while doing 1400 per volley? T2 drones obviously included. and MWD at 3km/s? There's 1, repeat 1, frigate in the T1 lineup designed to be a suicide tackler. the rest are for COMBAT. so don't tell me to tackle when I'm in a combat T1 frig. OR tell CCP to fix their mess.
WhiteSavage Gallente	Posted - 2010.06.29 03:04:00 - [25] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 T3 ships. seriously. they can kill a T1 cruiser in 4 seconds flat, with drones and tech Ii weapons. how is that in any way balanced. people say "sure you pay a lots and lose skills if yo die in it, so theres the risk". well Ill etll you theoretical risk is meaningless. so a T3 can be blobbed, and lose their ship. great. that means nothing to pilots that cant afford T3 ships, and thats not really the same risk other pilots run. To make it clear, they're saying that the counter to the high power of the T3 is a Blob, hich is what makes it risky. a BLOB. not a fe other ships, a blob. when lowsec becomes completely populated with T3s, we will not see any more faction or T1 or T2 ships in lwosec, we will never see younger players again. hte amount of pwoer the T3 ship has compared to its risk makes its risks laughably small. T3 was a game balance breaking mistake. T2 is supposed to be better than T1. who would deny that? Butw was T2 really meant to be invincib ly better to T1, except if there was 5x more T2 ships? How about t3? Is it supposed to be invincibly better except if theres 25x more T1 ships, more than half of which will die to kill the T3 ship. this game, through this mechanic encourages blobs. Why not T2 and T3 were both quarter steps above the T1 and T2 versions, and with only a quarter of the cost they are now, and so on. Small progression and a little more power for a more hefty pricetag, thats how you run a balanced game that works. CCP, your "game balance" theories are ****. A t1 battleship (lets say 100m isk) could easily beat a t3 (lets say 600m isk) ...
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.06.29 03:06:00 - [26] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 I was trying to get away. his MWD got him to me from 30km to 5000m within 5 seconds, his guns killed in 3 seconds. yeah, thats not reatrded at all. Could you show us the fit you used on your cruiser? It might help us to understand your plight. Originally by: Balsak Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
Balsak Minmatar Friends of Bigfoot	Posted - 2010.06.29 03:06:00 - [27] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 enjoy having a dead lowsec Hecatonis? I was trying to get away. his MWD got him to me from 30km to 5000m within 5 seconds, his guns killed in 3 seconds. yeah, thats not reatrded at all. What's retrardedmated is the fact you got caught and is now publicly whining about it here.
1Ekrid1	Posted - 2010.06.29 03:08:00 - [28] Originally by: WhiteSavage Originally by: 1Ekrid1 T3 ships. seriously. they can kill a T1 cruiser in 4 seconds flat, with drones and tech Ii weapons. how is that in any way balanced. people say "sure you pay a lots and lose skills if yo die in it, so theres the risk". well Ill etll you theoretical risk is meaningless. so a T3 can be blobbed, and lose their ship. great. that means nothing to pilots that cant afford T3 ships, and thats not really the same risk other pilots run. To make it clear, they're saying that the counter to the high power of the T3 is a Blob, hich is what makes it risky. a BLOB. not a fe other ships, a blob. when lowsec becomes completely populated with T3s, we will not see any more faction or T1 or T2 ships in lwosec, we will never see younger players again. hte amount of pwoer the T3 ship has compared to its risk makes its risks laughably small. T3 was a game balance breaking mistake. T2 is supposed to be better than T1. who would deny that? Butw was T2 really meant to be invincib ly better to T1, except if there was 5x more T2 ships? How about t3? Is it supposed to be invincibly better except if theres 25x more T1 ships, more than half of which will die to kill the T3 ship. this game, through this mechanic encourages blobs. Why not T2 and T3 were both quarter steps above the T1 and T2 versions, and with only a quarter of the cost they are now, and so on. Small progression and a little more power for a more hefty pricetag, thats how you run a balanced game that works. CCP, your "game balance" theories are ****. A t1 battleship (lets say 100m isk) could easily beat a t3 (lets say 600m isk) ... oh good, you're saying that you have to go up in weight class two times in order for it not to be a time wasting worthless gankfest. good to know. everyone needs to bring a bigger ship to not get completely hosed by a ship of a smaller class. Isnt that why people don't want frigates to have any more ability? When T3 frigates come out, and they start hosing cruisers and BCs left and right, don't come back and complain, since you think there's nothing wrong with it. There's 1, repeat 1, frigate in the T1 lineup designed to be a suicide tackler. the rest are for COMBAT. so don't tell me to tackle when I'm in a combat T1 frig. OR tell CCP to fix their mess.
Hecatonis Amarr	Posted - 2010.06.29 03:09:00 - [29] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 enjoy having a dead lowsec Hecatonis? I was trying to get away. his MWD got him to me from 30km to 5000m within 5 seconds, his guns killed in 3 seconds. yeah, thats not reatrded at all. yes, yes i do. i am a highsec carebear that does exploration, complexes, and other fun stuff in lowsec. having people no where in sight lets me and my corp have a good old time racking in the cash. your insult is as poor as your ship fitting. learn to play the game little boy and keep on complaining about things that are ultimately your fault, your shtty mac being one of them __________________________________________________ stop acting like twts and use your brain
Felix Esperium Lysergic Distortions Research and Development	Posted - 2010.06.29 03:14:00 - [30] voting 1ekrid1 for worst new forums poster

1Ekrid1	Posted - 2010.06.29 03:14:00 - [31] Originally by: Zeba Originally by: 1Ekrid1 I was trying to get away. his MWD got him to me from 30km to 5000m within 5 seconds, his guns killed in 3 seconds. yeah, thats not reatrded at all. Could you show us the fit you used on your cruiser? It might help us to understand your plight. my EANM fit has nothing to do with the fact he covered 25km in 5 seconds for 5,000 km/s, or that he killed in three seconds, taking out one defensve layer per volley, meaning he must do 1400 damage a volley, while firing a volley every second. There's 1, repeat 1, frigate in the T1 lineup designed to be a suicide tackler. the rest are for COMBAT. so don't tell me to tackle when I'm in a combat T1 frig. OR tell CCP to fix their mess.
James Tritanius	Posted - 2010.06.29 03:15:00 - [32] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 Edited by: 1Ekrid1 on 29/06/2010 03:05:58 enjoy having a dead lowsec Hecatonis? I was trying to get away. his MWD got him to me from 30km to 5000m within 5 seconds, his guns killed in 3 seconds. yeah, thats not reatrded at all. WTB T3 that goes 5,000m/s and 10k dps!
Balsak Minmatar Friends of Bigfoot	Posted - 2010.06.29 03:16:00 - [33] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 Originally by: Zeba Originally by: 1Ekrid1 I was trying to get away. his MWD got him to me from 30km to 5000m within 5 seconds, his guns killed in 3 seconds. yeah, thats not reatrded at all. Could you show us the fit you used on your cruiser? It might help us to understand your plight. my EANM fit has nothing to do with the fact he covered 25km in 5 seconds for 5,000 km/s, or that he killed in three seconds, taking out one defensve layer per volley, meaning he must do 1400 damage a volley, while firing a volley every second. OMG, the most correct thing you have said all thread. It has everything to do with your failure as a player.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.06.29 03:20:00 - [34] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 Originally by: Zeba Originally by: 1Ekrid1 I was trying to get away. his MWD got him to me from 30km to 5000m within 5 seconds, his guns killed in 3 seconds. yeah, thats not reatrded at all. Could you show us the fit you used on your cruiser? It might help us to understand your plight. my EANM fit has nothing to do with the fact he covered 25km in 5 seconds for 5,000 km/s, or that he killed in three seconds, taking out one defensve layer per volley, meaning he must do 1400 damage a volley, while firing a volley every second. Oh, I get it know. This is all a fantasy because those numbers just don't add up. You should immediately ask for this thread to be locked and start a proper tinfoil thread about someone using hax on his t3 to get it to perform outside of its ability. Originally by: Balsak Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
Hecatonis Amarr	Posted - 2010.06.29 03:26:00 - [35] i got this crazy idea, why dont you give us your real char name and we can hunt down your kill mail. that would mean that you would no longer be a faceless complainer, but we could figure out why you failed so badly. __________________________________________________ stop acting like tw*ts and use your brain
Isil Rahsen Gallente Ferrum Superum	Posted - 2010.06.29 03:33:00 - [36] Stop feeding the troll damnit.
Yuki Kulotsuki	Posted - 2010.06.29 04:29:00 - [37] Poasting in an ekrid whine thread. Originally by: CCP Lemur THIS IS GOD: ... IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE REQUESTS I'M AVAILABLE SUNDAY FROM 10:30 TO 12:00 TO RECEIVE YOUR PRAYERS.
SheriffFruitfly Caldari	Posted - 2010.06.29 04:38:00 - [38] BECAUSE OF T3 __________________________________________________________ Please resize your signature to the maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.06.29 04:39:00 - [39] 1Ekrid1, your reality check has bounced, can you make a new one ? A T3 strategic cruiser is hardly noticeably better than, oh, say, a command ship, DPS-wise, and hardly noticeably more maneouvrable than most HACs. A T3 ship also has ever so slightly lower skill prerequisites and a somewhat higher price. A T1 battleship quite easily out-DPSes a T3 strategic cruiser, most T1 cruisers are almost on par speed/agility-wise (with the exception of one possible T3 propulsion subsystem), and the T2 ships mentioned above aren't THAT much cheaper. Given decent enough player skill, a handful of T1 cruisers or probably even just a couple of T2 cruisers could easily destroy a similarly skilled and similarly equipped T3-ship-flying pilot. In fact, with the proper gear on a T1 cruiser and cheap-ass gear on the T3 ship, a single T1 cruiser might very well be enough. What exactly were you complaining about again ? _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
1Ekrid1	Posted - 2010.06.29 04:58:00 - [40] Edited by: 1Ekrid1 on 29/06/2010 04:58:40 Quote: It wasn't the T3 that really killed you. That pilot could have flown a T2 cruiser and you'd be just as dead. You probably would have died if he flew a T1 cruiser too. i wish you weren't this ignorant, but sadly I have to live in a world with people like you. He went through 5500 HP, modified to 12k effective HP via resists, in three volleys from his ship with T2 drones as well, so basically you're an idiot. There's 1, repeat 1, frigate in the T1 lineup designed to be a suicide tackler. the rest are for COMBAT. so don't tell me to tackle when I'm in a combat T1 frig. OR tell CCP to fix their mess.

Felix Esperium Lysergic Distortions Research and Development	Posted - 2010.06.29 04:59:00 - [41] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 but sadly I have to live in a world with people like you.
1Ekrid1	Posted - 2010.06.29 05:12:00 - [42] Originally by: WhiteSavage Originally by: 1Ekrid1 T3 ships. seriously. they can kill a T1 cruiser in 4 seconds flat, with drones and tech Ii weapons. how is that in any way balanced. people say "sure you pay a lots and lose skills if yo die in it, so theres the risk". well Ill etll you theoretical risk is meaningless. so a T3 can be blobbed, and lose their ship. great. that means nothing to pilots that cant afford T3 ships, and thats not really the same risk other pilots run. To make it clear, they're saying that the counter to the high power of the T3 is a Blob, hich is what makes it risky. a BLOB. not a fe other ships, a blob. when lowsec becomes completely populated with T3s, we will not see any more faction or T1 or T2 ships in lwosec, we will never see younger players again. hte amount of pwoer the T3 ship has compared to its risk makes its risks laughably small. T3 was a game balance breaking mistake. T2 is supposed to be better than T1. who would deny that? Butw was T2 really meant to be invincib ly better to T1, except if there was 5x more T2 ships? How about t3? Is it supposed to be invincibly better except if theres 25x more T1 ships, more than half of which will die to kill the T3 ship. this game, through this mechanic encourages blobs. Why not T2 and T3 were both quarter steps above the T1 and T2 versions, and with only a quarter of the cost they are now, and so on. Small progression and a little more power for a more hefty pricetag, thats how you run a balanced game that works. CCP, your "game balance" theories are ****. A t1 battleship (lets say 100m isk) could easily beat a t3 (lets say 600m isk) ... my major problem with this; CCP could have instituted a ship that gains a 10-20% growth in some aspect, but loses 5% to all other aspects, via modifications. That would be strategic. Something that get all around better is not strategic, its overpowered. Your argument is that because 100 mil can kill 600 mil its balanced. So you're saying that its fine because although its totally overpowered in its own class, two classes above it can kill it which makes the OP okay? What you're saying is that the cruiser deserves all the OP is has because it costs so much? DId I say anywhere that they should nerf it and keep prices the same? That would be stupid. Look at the facts here: Its very expensive. It has huge boosts in power due to the way it fits. It has ridiculous DPS. It has ridiculous speed. It has ridiculous armor. all compared to even a HAC. Why should something thats supposed to be modular to fill different roles, be given so much overpoweredness? It doesnt make sense, except if you slap that 600 mil pricetag on there. What if the T3 cruiser only cost 40 mil, and it only could exceed any capability of the HAC by 5%? Would that be reasonable? That would be in-line with actual reasonable balance. Why do you object to a reasonably balanced ship that fits in with the rest of the verse. I've said it now, so mark the words and time: Low sec is going to crawl with nothing but T3 ships in the future, simply because they are invincible. they can kill any equal size target, and get away from any larger target. only blobs can kill them. Do any of you actually believe your own crap that due to being so expensive they get the right to take out every ship with ease? Its like saying that a shotgun in modern warfare has the right to reach all the way across the map, because the person doesn't get to have a secondary weapon with it, and because you can always shoot them from the side in their blind spot, even though its a 1000m 1 hit kill weapon with spread so they dont even have to aim. Its the same thing as that. something overpowered to that extent that has obvious drawbacks, but everyone defends it becauise of those very small and weak drawbacks compared to how big an advantage it has. You justify the power with the cost and that a battleship could kill it. Thats theorycraft. IF the battleship can kill There's 1, repeat 1, frigate in the T1 lineup designed to be a suicide tackler. the rest are for COMBAT. so don't tell me to tackle when I'm in a combat T1 frig. OR tell CCP to fix their mess.
1Ekrid1	Posted - 2010.06.29 05:20:00 - [43] Edited by: 1Ekrid1 on 29/06/2010 05:24:45 it, IF it can be caught. strategic cruisers should be about giving up something to gain something better, NOT, simply staying as good as a HAC in one area to be totally WTFBBQ everywhere else. lowsec is going to be blobs of T3 ships eventually. there's just too much power there for rich eve players with nothing to do to ignore. the day of the T3 gateblobcamp cometh. There's 1, repeat 1, frigate in the T1 lineup designed to be a suicide tackler. the rest are for COMBAT. so don't tell me to tackle when I'm in a combat T1 frig. OR tell CCP to fix their mess.
HeliosGal Caldari	Posted - 2010.06.29 05:23:00 - [44] pathetic customer service, declining poor quality in expansions something is amiss could just be a staffing shortage or GFC related costs but something hs gone awol at ccp
1Ekrid1	Posted - 2010.06.29 05:26:00 - [45] Originally by: HeliosGal pathetic customer service, declining poor quality in expansions something is amiss could just be a staffing shortage or GFC related costs but something hs gone awol at ccp I see your reasoning. maybe you should make a thread about it. There's 1, repeat 1, frigate in the T1 lineup designed to be a suicide tackler. the rest are for COMBAT. so don't tell me to tackle when I'm in a combat T1 frig. OR tell CCP to fix their mess.
Glowstix Minmatar Haters Gonna Hate	Posted - 2010.06.29 05:29:00 - [46] Edited by: Glowstix on 29/06/2010 05:35:07 Edited by: Glowstix on 29/06/2010 05:30:56 Hello, my name is Glowstix and I fly frigates and cruisers. I have carefully considered your problem, and after consulting my months of flying ships that consider medium sized space rocks a menace, I have prepared this short list of suggestions. Fight fire with fire. You are facing a "strategic cruiser", I suggest you invest in a minimum of strategy in your own approach just above the level of maintaining your breathing cycle. First, know thy enemy. They are a big, bad, baller in a T3. They probably did not earn that ISK and are off by themselves waving their man meat around feeling like teh l33tz since they managed a few weeks of training. If they are not ****ed and are with a fleet, then forget all of this and die. ONWARDS! Know thyself. You are an impoverished and woefully inadequate excuse for a combat pilot. You are a splat on the windshield of any decent PvPer's ship. You must change this. The easiest way to do this is with a friend. FRIEND SUGGESTION NUMBER THE FIRST: Jammers. Got a friend in a blackbird? Got a scrambler and web fitted? Congratulations, you just turned that billion+ ISK T3 into a chunk of metal and hyper advanced fullerene complexes that can do nothing by float angrily at you; using only the force of two ships worth less than the dronebay contents of most battleships. No blackbird? Do you have a BC/Cruiser or so with a swarm of ECM drones? SUGESTION THE SECOND: Moar ewar. I was witness to a Legion dying to a hilarious combination of a T2 frigate fit almost entirely with damps zooming around while a battlecruiser plinked at it from moderate range. Queue more angry and menacing floating. Oh, the frigate killed all fielded drones quite handily too. Cost of the frigate? Not more than 30 million ISK. SUGGESTION THE THIRD: Highly advanced . Feed the T3 some tachyons and aurora while a bait tanked tackle laughs at his AMG HYPER ADVANCED DPS. Basic sniping is not difficult. Got a Curse? LOL I NEUT U does wonders for those pesky lasers or active tanks. Some T2 ships, especially Minmatar, have awesome webbing bonuses that let you dictate range even more. Blaster Proteus? Awww, sorry, your DPS doesn't work when you're 20+km away and moving just faster than a quadruple amputee on track and field day. If the T3 is **ed enough to engage a heavy interdictor, not only do you have him warp srcambled for QUITE a while, you also have a nice amount of tanking leeway. Tech 2 is fun, fly some. As you can see, basic PvP tactics requiring an IQ just above room temperature and the addition of a friend can net you an arrogant solo T3 kill. It comes down to this: someone in T3 SHOULD be able to all over someone flying T1 solo. Lowsec will not fill up with exclusively T3, simply because of the ISK and logistics of production. Also, lowsec is not dead, I find plenty of fleet fights and solo losses. Lastly, and most of all, you are **ed and I wish you and your tech 1 **fit cruiser would go die in a T3-induced fire. You are bad. Stop it. This rant brought to you by energy pills and sugary soft drinks. PS: Yes, you can spend a few million on cruisers and make a T3 useless. Strategy, most important part of EVE.
Noran Ferah Red Sky Morning	Posted - 2010.06.29 05:33:00 - [47] I have just confirmed the figures and my data is showing me one thing. My sandy vaginometer is going off the charts. You would not happen to be... mad? Oh, and just for kicks, a real short story. There was this drake, and he was in a mission in lowsec, and a tengu (me) and a proteus (my corpmate) jump him and guess what? The giant battlecruiser popped like a wet pinata because our two little cruisers (after we probed him down in like 10 seconds) were doing a combined ~1500 dps (probably a lot more, but who knows), neuting him, jamming him, and... TAUNTING him! Yes, we dared to taunt him. PM me for the killmail.
Saelie	Posted - 2010.06.29 05:49:00 - [48] 12K EHP? Seriously? I've got tougher haulers. From that statement, combined with the fact you mentioned heavy pulses, I can tell you were flying an Omen, a ship that is known for tanking as well as a wet paper bag to begin with. I will first begin by telling you that you might want to also say 'Nerf Tempests' as I've seen them alpha over 12K before. Second, I will demonstrate to you the 'time dilation' effect that happens in PvP - It lasts longer than you think it does because you're panicking. The only weapon in the game that comes close to having a one-second ROF is a Navy Omen fit with focused medium pulse laser IIs and carrying a lot of heatsinks or ROF rigs (1.35 second ROF, give or take .05). So odds are the fight went on for 15 seconds or so. But yeah. Moral of the story, T3s are not immortal (Groups of small ships or a single big scary ship can kill them) and Omens tank like crap.
moiroo	Posted - 2010.06.29 06:08:00 - [49] Give it up 1Ekrid1, they would rather fight you tooth and nails on the forums than the actual sandbox m8... Look me up ingame and we'll see how 2 badly fitted T1 cruisers fair against this T3 cruiser...
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.06.29 06:26:00 - [50] Edited by: Akita T on 29/06/2010 06:35:17 Originally by: 1Ekrid1 i wish you weren't this ignorant, but sadly I have to live in a world with people like you. Right back at you, except that I have just about everybody else backing me up, while all you have going for you is the hot air you keep breathing out. Quote: He went through 5500 HP, modified to 12k effective HP via resists, in three volleys from his ship with T2 drones as well, so basically you're an idiot. That's not what you said in the first place. You keep altering your story almost every post. Maybe we'll eventually get to the bottom of this, but I have a feeling we won't. Why ? Because you still ignore the request to post the relevant portion of the lossmail, combat logs, fit or whatnot you might have to back up any of your claims. Could it be the data you have DOESN'T really back up your claims ? Your posted numbers (all of them combined so far, don't even know which ones to use as vague estimates) don't make a lot of sense either, so you must be either remembering it wrong, or covering some stuff up, or making at least some of it up. So basically, you're either a liar or completely clueless. Don't know what's worse. Post the damn raw data so we can find out exactly what happened (and how or why), or STFU and GTFO. _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _

Grunanca Final Agony B A N E	Posted - 2010.06.29 06:27:00 - [51] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 T3 ships. seriously. they can kill a T1 cruiser in 4 seconds flat, with drones and tech Ii weapons. how is that in any way balanced. people say "sure you pay a lots and lose skills if yo die in it, so theres the risk". well Ill etll you theoretical risk is meaningless. so a T3 can be blobbed, and lose their ship. great. that means nothing to pilots that cant afford T3 ships, and thats not really the same risk other pilots run. To make it clear, they're saying that the counter to the high power of the T3 is a Blob, hich is what makes it risky. a BLOB. not a fe other ships, a blob. when lowsec becomes completely populated with T3s, we will not see any more faction or T1 or T2 ships in lwosec, we will never see younger players again. hte amount of pwoer the T3 ship has compared to its risk makes its risks laughably small. T3 was a game balance breaking mistake. T2 is supposed to be better than T1. who would deny that? Butw was T2 really meant to be invincib ly better to T1, except if there was 5x more T2 ships? How about t3? Is it supposed to be invincibly better except if theres 25x more T1 ships, more than half of which will die to kill the T3 ship. this game, through this mechanic encourages blobs. Why not T2 and T3 were both quarter steps above the T1 and T2 versions, and with only a quarter of the cost they are now, and so on. Small progression and a little more power for a more hefty pricetag, thats how you run a balanced game that works. CCP, your "game balance" theories are ****. You havent heard about heavy neuts have you? They tend to lock down a T3 instant, and make it as helpless as a rifter among 10 rapiers...
1Ekrid1	Posted - 2010.06.29 06:39:00 - [52] Edited by: 1Ekrid1 on 29/06/2010 06:41:44 Originally by: Saelie 12K EHP? Seriously? I've got tougher haulers. Second, I will demonstrate to you the 'time dilation' effect that happens in PvP - It lasts longer than you think it does because you're panicking. The only weapon in the game that comes close to having a one-second ROF is a Navy Omen fit with focused medium pulse laser IIs and carrying a lot of heatsinks or ROF rigs (1.35 second ROF, give or take .05). So odds are the fight went on for 15 seconds or so. that demonstrates nothing. you're saying "time dilation" which means the fight would appear longer than it was. so by your logic, the fight was actually only 2 seconds long, applying your reasoning to what I've already stated numerous times. where did this omen with 1.3 RoF come from, I said it was their T3 ship firing quickly, not mine. you didnt read. obvious. Next, my total HPs were 5,500, modified to 12k through lows full of resistance mods. and you call that weaker than your haulers? what happens when my ship has a native 5% per level bonus to resists on top of the fact that I put those resist modules on? the only conclusion that can be inferred is that you blindly spouted some crap instead of reading anything or paying attention. Originally by: Grunanca Originally by: 1Ekrid1 T3 ships. seriously. they can kill a T1 cruiser in 4 seconds flat, with drones and tech Ii weapons. how is that in any way balanced. people say "sure you pay a lots and lose skills if yo die in it, so theres the risk". well Ill etll you theoretical risk is meaningless. so a T3 can be blobbed, and lose their ship. great. that means nothing to pilots that cant afford T3 ships, and thats not really the same risk other pilots run. To make it clear, they're saying that the counter to the high power of the T3 is a Blob, hich is what makes it risky. a BLOB. not a fe other ships, a blob. when lowsec becomes completely populated with T3s, we will not see any more faction or T1 or T2 ships in lwosec, we will never see younger players again. hte amount of pwoer the T3 ship has compared to its risk makes its risks laughably small. T3 was a game balance breaking mistake. T2 is supposed to be better than T1. who would deny that? Butw was T2 really meant to be invincib ly better to T1, except if there was 5x more T2 ships? How about t3? Is it supposed to be invincibly better except if theres 25x more T1 ships, more than half of which will die to kill the T3 ship. this game, through this mechanic encourages blobs. Why not T2 and T3 were both quarter steps above the T1 and T2 versions, and with only a quarter of the cost they are now, and so on. Small progression and a little more power for a more hefty pricetag, thats how you run a balanced game that works. CCP, your "game balance" theories are **. You havent heard about heavy neuts have you? They tend to lock down a T3 instant, and make it as helpless as a rifter among 10 rapiers... you weren't paying attention either. I said that thats what happens, you take something two classes above it (BS carry the heavy neuts tard), and thats how its done, but thats like saying a frigate is weak to a carrier so its all fair even if said frigate can kill everything else smaller and be invincible. Originally by:** Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 29/06/2010 06:35:17 That's not what you said in the first place. You keep altering your story almost every post. Maybe we'll eventually get to the bottom of this, but I have a feeling we won't. calling me a liar when I never told you my base and effective HPs before and saying I changed the "story"? you're a low dirty type of person with little conscience aren't you? Originally by: moiroo Give it up 1Ekrid1, they would rather fight you tooth and nails on the forums than the actual sandbox m8... Look me up ingame and we'll see how 2 badly fitted T1 cruisers fair against this T3 cruiser... sure lets show them what it can do, but lets make them good fits just to make sure win There's 1, repeat 1, frigate in the T1 lineup designed to be a suicide tackler. the rest are for COMBAT. so don't tell me to tackle when I'm in a combat T1 frig. OR tell CCP to fix their mess.
Gladys Pank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.06.29 06:42:00 - [53] Akita it's a pathetic troll. Don't feed it.
Felix Esperium Lysergic Distortions Research and Development	Posted - 2010.06.29 06:43:00 - [54] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 what happens when my ship has a native 5% per level bonus to resists If you are only getting 12k EHP out of a maller I don't know what to tell you.
1Ekrid1	Posted - 2010.06.29 06:46:00 - [55] Originally by: Felix Esperium Originally by: 1Ekrid1 what happens when my ship has a native 5% per level bonus to resists If you are only getting 12k EHP out of a maller I don't know what to tell you. I know what to tell you. do you use weakest resist, balanced average, or strongest resist in an attempt to enhance your e-peen. play conservative and you don't get caught wondering what the hell happened. you know what happened. There's 1, repeat 1, frigate in the T1 lineup designed to be a suicide tackler. the rest are for COMBAT. so don't tell me to tackle when I'm in a combat T1 frig. OR tell CCP to fix their mess.
Felix Esperium Lysergic Distortions Research and Development	Posted - 2010.06.29 06:49:00 - [56] even using lowest resist it's laughable. post your fit so we can laugh at you some more.
Saelie	Posted - 2010.06.29 06:56:00 - [57] You only got 12K EHP out of a MALLER?! I hope you're joking, otherwise I'm just gonna have to sit here and shake my head. Also: Reading comprehension. The phrase 'It lasts longer than you think' means that the fight lasts longer than you think, therefore what seems to you a three-second fight was probably 15-20 seconds. The numbers came from my proving that - You said three volleys in three seconds, but the fastest-firing ship in the game can't fire three volleys in three seconds, therefore you are wrong.
1Ekrid1	Posted - 2010.06.29 07:04:00 - [58] Edited by: 1Ekrid1 on 29/06/2010 07:05:17 Originally by: Saelie Edited by: Saelie on 29/06/2010 06:58:59 You only got 12K EHP out of a MALLER?! I hope you're joking, otherwise I'm just gonna have to sit here and shake my head. Also: Reading comprehension. The phrase 'It lasts longer than you think' means that the fight lasts longer than you think, therefore what seems to you a three-second fight was probably 15-20 seconds. The numbers came from my proving that - You said three volleys in three seconds, but the fastest-firing ship in the game can't fire three volleys in three seconds, therefore you are wrong. Edit: My Amarr pilot gets 65.5K EHP out of a Maller with a really simple fit I just came up with now. Heck, she gets 9K EHP with nothing fitted. I'm really not sure how you could get 12K out of it. let me guess, you have no room for guns? 9k with nothing fit here either. but either you dont have any guns because you're overplated and EANM'd or hardenered, or you're using highest resist to get your bonus. Are you doing this in EFT or in game? they use different weighting systems for "effective HP". in game tends to lowball it, just like using lowest resist, and for very good reason. It you overestimate, you **** yourself, look at CCP's overestimation of their time of completing the server move, and how it went down for two+ days, and now they have to give everyone SP. Would they have to give that SP if they had been perfectly on time and not had to make a conciliatory gesture? Would a pilot feel cheated if he won a fight based on lowballed numbers in effective HP, or if he lost when his effective HP "looked so high I could swear it would've won". there's a reason for everything. There's 1, repeat 1, frigate in the T1 lineup designed to be a suicide tackler. the rest are for COMBAT. so don't tell me to tackle when I'm in a combat T1 frig. OR tell CCP to fix their mess.
novak churion	Posted - 2010.06.29 07:05:00 - [59] Wow, epic whine. I think your full of ** and just **ed you died. I seriously doubt you know how to fit a tank. To prove me wrong post your lossmail. I DARE YOU.
Felix Esperium Lysergic Distortions Research and Development	Posted - 2010.06.29 07:09:00 - [60] Originally by: novak churion I DARE YOU. I DOUBLE DOG DARE YOU!

RuleoftheBone Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2010.06.29 07:12:00 - [61] I'm depressed. My Loki puts out less DPS than the average dessie. /gets popcorn too.
1Ekrid1	Posted - 2010.06.29 07:15:00 - [62] Originally by: novak churion Wow, epic whine. I think your full of ** and just **ed you died. I seriously doubt you know how to fit a tank. To prove me wrong post your lossmail. I DARE YOU. sure, let me know how to get at it from outside of eve client since Im not near a computer that can open eve right now, and you can thank CCP for that. There's 1, repeat 1, frigate in the T1 lineup designed to be a suicide tackler. the rest are for COMBAT. so don't tell me to tackle when I'm in a combat T1 frig. OR tell CCP to fix their mess.
Digital Solaris	Posted - 2010.06.29 07:22:00 - [63] For playing a game made of fail, your enthusiasm in playing the game makes me believe you are either a masochist or stupid. Probably the latter.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.06.29 07:24:00 - [64] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 calling me a liar when I never told you my base and effective HPs before and saying I changed the "story"? No, I'm calling you EITHER a liar OR totally clueless for claiming he got through 12k effective hitpoints in 3 seconds. Or was that 4200 hitpoints ? Or maybe 4 seconds ? No, wait, 3 volleys with just a second in between. Or whatever you keep adjusting it to. Let's see what you posted so far... "T3 ships. seriously. they can kill a T1 cruiser in 4 seconds flat" "3 seconds and dead is not balance, no matter how you cut it." "I call amazing DPS anything that chews shields armor and hull up in only 3 volleys. and yet my haevy pulse lasers cant sratch the shielding? really. and my tank of resists cant stop the massive gankig?n" "tell me, you thikn a cruiser should be able to tank 180 DPS, while doing 1400 per volley? T2 drones obviously included. and MWD at 3km/s?" "my EANM fit has nothing to do with the fact he covered 25km in 5 seconds for 5,000 km/s, or that he killed in three seconds, taking out one defensve layer per volley, meaning he must do 1400 damage a volley, while firing a volley every second." "He went through 5500 HP, modified to 12k effective HP via resists, in three volleys from his ship with T2 drones as well" Care to point out which one of the above statements of yours are accurate, which are approximations, and which ones are outright fabrications ? TL;DR : combat logs or STFU>FO _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Saelie	Posted - 2010.06.29 07:31:00 - [65] Firstly, I apologize for not cross-checking every single term I post on Wikipedia. If all you have against my argument there is that I used a term wrong, even though you understood what I meant anyway, then I suppose the argument's pretty solid. Second, Maller is not a DPS ship. It is a brick. Therefore, having a massive tank and undersized guns (The fit I got 65K with had Small guns and no rigs) is actually the norm for this vessel when used in PvP (And frigates hate it). That said, I can still get 60K EHP out of it (Remembered rigs this time) with a full rack of FMP IIs putting out 201 DPS (Again, Maller is not DPS-dealer) with Navy Multifrequency with just a little bit of tweaking. Highest and lowest resists are only 10% apart, so I'm not running a specific tank. Point of the story - 12K EHP Maller = You're Doing It Wrong.
Morgan Morrow	Posted - 2010.06.29 07:35:00 - [66] Oh look!It's 1Ekrid1,he's been trolling the whole forum for the past week or so,but what should we expect from ****s.
Yuki Kulotsuki	Posted - 2010.06.29 07:37:00 - [67] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 sure, let me know how to get at it from outside of eve client since Im not near a computer that can open eve right now, and you can thank CCP for that. Use the full API. Go to: http://api.eve-online.com/char/Killlog.xml.aspx?userID=A&apiKey=B&characterID=C where A is your user ID, B is your full API key and C is the character ID for the character you lost it with. Save the page source which should be an xml file. You'll see your killmail info there. Originally by: CCP Lemur THIS IS GOD: ... IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE REQUESTS I'M AVAILABLE SUNDAY FROM 10:30 TO 12:00 TO RECEIVE YOUR PRAYERS.
Mandos2k Gallente Divinity Within	Posted - 2010.06.29 07:39:00 - [68] Originally by: Felix Esperium voting 1ekrid1 for worst new forums poster +1 So much crap, unbelievable.
Zions Child Caldari Carthage Industries	Posted - 2010.06.29 07:42:00 - [69] So, even though everyone has already proven you're full of hot air, you continue to blurt out falsehoods? Honestly, you have to be trolling. I will say, you're pretty good at it, but still. If you're trolling, we get the picture, if you're not trolling, then there really isn't much more to say other than go to school and learn some basic arithmetic. Originally by: CCP Shadow snip Castration successful. Shadow.
Dodgy Past Amarr Trans-Solar Works Rooks and Kings	Posted - 2010.06.29 07:44:00 - [70] OP is one of those people after 5 minutes of doing something is convinced he knows more than all the other people that have been doing it for years. Sadly plain and simple OP doesn't 'get' Eve and never will because of a complete inability to listen and learn from the experience of others. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- you seem determined to turn it into ******* Hollyoaks for neckbeards.

Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.06.29 07:48:00 - [71] Edited by: Akita T on 29/06/2010 07:56:24 Originally by: 1Ekrid1 from outside of eve client since Im not near a computer that can open eve right now, and you can thank CCP for that WTF ? Originally by: Akita T It wasn't the T3 that really killed you. That pilot could have flown a T2 cruiser and you'd be just as dead. You probably would have died if he flew a T1 cruiser too. Given the information in this thread so far, I would like to revise my statement. You would most certainly have died if he flew almost any other cruiser, regardless of tech level. You probably would have died to an assault frigate too. Even to some of the interceptors. In fact, I'm having a hard time imagining what other combat ship classes you WOULDN'T have died to, except T1 frigates or destroyers. Now, a translation of what the OP has been saying so far: "Hello guys, I was using one of the worst possible cruisers for PvP, I was fitting it badly, and I died to a T3 ship. I don't really remember what happened except that I died way too fast for my taste, but it was obviously not my fault either way, T3 ships are overpowered. P.S. My computer broke and it's CCP's fault." _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Saelie	Posted - 2010.06.29 07:55:00 - [72] Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 29/06/2010 07:54:14 Originally by: Akita T It wasn't the T3 that really killed you. That pilot could have flown a T2 cruiser and you'd be just as dead. You probably would have died if he flew a T1 cruiser too. Given the information in this thread so far, I would like to revise my statement. You would most certainly have died if he flew almost any other cruiser, regardless of tech level. You probably would have died to an assault frigate too. Even to some of the interceptors. In fact, I'm having a hard time imagining what other combat ship classes you WOULDN'T have died to, except T1 frigates or destroyers. Now, a translation of the OP: "Hello guys, I was using one of the worst possible cruisers for PvP, I was fitting it badly, and I died to a T3 ship. I don't really remember what happened except that I died way too fast for my taste, but it was obviously not my fault either way, T3 ships are overpowered." Would like to add most T1 frigs in good hands wouldn't have had a problem either.
DuKackBoon	Posted - 2010.06.29 08:01:00 - [73] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 how is that in any way balanced. They cost a uberloldamnholyfrickenuberton of ISK, for a cruiser. They are in the price-class of Capital ships. And mind you, a BS can kill a T3 and is much cheaper.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.06.29 08:02:00 - [74] Originally by: Saelie Would like to add most T1 frigs in good hands wouldn't have had a problem either. Not so sure, I wouldn't exclude the possibility of an active perma-tank on his dead fit _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
1Ekrid1	Posted - 2010.06.29 08:10:00 - [75] Edited by: 1Ekrid1 on 29/06/2010 08:12:31 Originally by: DuKackBoon Originally by: 1Ekrid1 how is that in any way balanced. They cost a uberloldamnholyfrickenuberton of ISK, for a cruiser. They are in the price-class of Capital ships. And mind you, a BS can kill a T3 and is much cheaper. if you had read, I'd addressed this point. you're saying that for something to be balanced from a game perspective, it means in ISK, not in true balance. so something can be as overpowered as a frigate that can kill a battleship solo no matter how many light drones and small guns the battleship might have to counter the frigate, but as long as that frigate costs 1 billion isk and is counterable by a carrier, its all fine? you're saying that a shotgun in counterstrike or call of duty with infinite range and single hit kill is fine, just because you can kill them if you get them from behind? What I said was that maybe T3 cruisers could actually be BALANCED as cruisers, that actually have tactical considerations and roles, such as getting more gank or more tank or more whatever, but at the cost of having everything else only as good as T1, so it would be less than HAC in some ways, sacrificing to have more than HAC capabilities in other ways. THEN, because its not so solowtfpwn anymore, its cost can go down to 40 million. that would make it something like, I dunno, strategic in that you have to build it proper for the job but it can do that job better than a HAC (generic solowtfpwn ship) or T1 ship (generic floating wreck in progress). Just because theoritcal drawbacks and a high isk price tag, does not balance make. only an idiot would believe that the balance of the game is based on ISK instead of between ships. ISK can be modified to fit appropriate costs of ships. It should be. Instead, you're saying that if we have a frigate with a DD weapon, as long as it costs 1 bil to make said frigate, its fine because it has counters like carriers or something. can you see the lunacy and ridiculous never ending growth of imbalance that comes from that line of thinking, setting ISK pricetag as the Game Mechanic Point of Balance instead of the ships capabilities compared to other ships?? I cant imagine any way to spell it out more clearly. There's 1, repeat 1, frigate in the T1 lineup designed to be a suicide tackler. the rest are for COMBAT. so don't tell me to tackle when I'm in a combat T1 frig. OR tell CCP to fix their mess.
Felix Esperium Lysergic Distortions Research and Development	Posted - 2010.06.29 08:16:00 - [76] don't change the subject, post your terrible maller fit so I can laugh at you.
Scott Ryder Amarr art of eve Gunmen of the Apocalypse	Posted - 2010.06.29 08:17:00 - [77] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 Edited by: 1Ekrid1 on 29/06/2010 08:12:31 Originally by: DuKackBoon Originally by: 1Ekrid1 how is that in any way balanced. They cost a uberloldamnholyfrickenuberton of ISK, for a cruiser. They are in the price-class of Capital ships. And mind you, a BS can kill a T3 and is much cheaper. if you had read, I'd addressed this point. you're saying that for something to be balanced from a game perspective, it means in ISK, not in true balance. so something can be as overpowered as a frigate that can kill a battleship solo no matter how many light drones and small guns the battleship might have to counter the frigate, but as long as that frigate costs 1 billion isk and is counterable by a carrier, its all fine? you're saying that a shotgun in counterstrike or call of duty with infinite range and single hit kill is fine, just because you can kill them if you get them from behind? What I said was that maybe T3 cruisers could actually be BALANCED as cruisers, that actually have tactical considerations and roles, such as getting more gank or more tank or more whatever, but at the cost of having everything else only as good as T1, so it would be less than HAC in some ways, sacrificing to have more than HAC capabilities in other ways. THEN, because its not so solowtfpwn anymore, its cost can go down to 40 million. that would make it something like, I dunno, strategic in that you have to build it proper for the job but it can do that job better than a HAC (generic solowtfpwn ship) or T1 ship (generic floating wreck in progress). Just because theoritcal drawbacks and a high isk price tag, does not balance make. only an idiot would believe that the balance of the game is based on ISK instead of between ships. ISK can be modified to fit appropriate costs of ships. It should be. Instead, you're saying that if we have a frigate with a DD weapon, as long as it costs 1 bil to make said frigate, its fine because it has counters like carriers or something. can you see the lunacy and ridiculous never ending growth of imbalance that comes from that line of thinking, setting ISK pricetag as the Game Mechanic Point of Balance instead of the ships capabilities compared to other ships?? I cant imagine any way to spell it out more clearly. Killmail, or shut the **** up please.
1Ekrid1	Posted - 2010.06.29 08:24:00 - [78] (continued from previous post) What is 600 million isk to people that dont care about blowing 1000's of real currency on games as bad as Evony, when they can blow 1000's on this game to get behind a T3 cruiser and make anyone and everyone their ***, and if it gets blown up? Oh well they just buy more GTCs to get back to their OP state. so yeah, the entire idea of balancing a game around the cost of the ship is a logical fallacy when considered from this point of view. it in fact encourages people who buy characters and GTC to ISK for T3 ships. and do they care, when you laugh at them? No, because they buy more GTC and get right back in T3. Anyone notice the trend lately of so many bought characters with T3 ships flying around? its because, if they can spend money in a **ty game like Evony, 1000's upon 1000's of currency, what makes you think the "risk of losing 600 million" is anything to them. You all let this happen. for shame. There's 1, repeat 1, frigate in the T1 lineup designed to be a suicide tackler. the rest are for COMBAT. so don't tell me to tackle when I'm in a combat T1 frig. OR tell CCP to fix their mess.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.06.29 08:30:00 - [79] For those of you asking that Ekrid posts logs and/or killmail, the problem is that the last time he did that (trying to show that the mechanics for sig/speed tanking larger guns didn't work), the logs showed that the mechanics worked perfectlyà and that didn't go over well with him. So I think he'll do just about anything to stay away from that particular trap this time. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Yuki Kulotsuki	Posted - 2010.06.29 08:33:00 - [80] Originally by: Tippia For those of you asking that Ekrid posts logs and/or killmail, the problem is that the last time he did that (trying to show that the mechanics for sig/speed tanking larger guns didn't work), the logs showed that the mechanics worked perfectlyà and that didn't go over well with him. So I think he'll do just about anything to stay away from that particular trap this time. That thread was fun too. But we can still hope. Originally by: CCP Lemur THIS IS GOD: ... IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE REQUESTS I'M AVAILABLE SUNDAY FROM 10:30 TO 12:00 TO RECEIVE YOUR PRAYERS.

Mari Seles	Posted - 2010.06.29 08:34:00 - [81] [Maller, New Setup 1] Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Heat Sink II Co-Processor II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Warp Scrambler II Stasis Webifier II Focused Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Focused Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Focused Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Focused Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Focused Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M [empty high slot] Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I ****ty pvp maller not well thought out at all, but whatever. 39k effective hp on explosive (in eft) Full rack of medium pulse, not the biggest but whatever. And damn I don't really fly amarr. How the hell did you manage to get a ship that can't go over 12k effective hp?
1Ekrid1	Posted - 2010.06.29 08:40:00 - [82] Edited by: 1Ekrid1 on 29/06/2010 08:41:34 co proc is fail on a cruiser, use a reactor control, nublet. additionally, you're putting a battleship/carrier size plate on. enjoy the 10 seconds to align? how about making the MWD that much more fail since you're gimping your speed with so much mass addition to your ship via the plate? there's a reason you should stick to your own ships. There's 1, repeat 1, frigate in the T1 lineup designed to be a suicide tackler. the rest are for COMBAT. so don't tell me to tackle when I'm in a combat T1 frig. OR tell CCP to fix their mess.
Fikreta	Posted - 2010.06.29 08:42:00 - [83] Come on Ekrid show us a killmail so we can move on with this discussion.
Mari Seles	Posted - 2010.06.29 08:43:00 - [84] Edited by: Mari Seles on 29/06/2010 08:43:48 Can somebody tell me why I should replace a coprocessor with a reactor control? I really don't get it... I mean sure, I get that it could be fail...(not that I think it is...) but what does cpu have to do with powergrid?
VicturusTeSaluto Metafarmers MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.06.29 08:51:00 - [85] Edited by: VicturusTeSaluto on 29/06/2010 08:51:55 t3 was a horrible idea but not at all because they are solopwnmobiles. They are no better suited to combat than any other cruiser sized hull. I have killed many t3 in t1/t2 ships without ever breaking a sweat. The problem with t3 is that they can probe, warp cloaked, even warp through bubbles. In other words they are a farmer's wet dream. For a while, a single farmer in a 3b tengu was able to complete every single site in metro low sec. Virtually impossible to catch. He had cov ops cloak +stabs fit for probing and travel. Docked up for a higher dps fit to complete sites. Would dock or log as soon as anyone enters local. Only caught him once and it was because he made a big mistake. Made so much that he didn't even think twice about using the same 3b setup again immediately. Had the same issue in 0.0 with t3 ships being able to get stuff out of a bubbled pos/run bubble camps etc. There is no way that they should be able to warp cloaked/probe/warp through bubbles/complete virtually any mission or exploration unassisted etc too much for one ship. They need to be required to specialize, to have a scout or alt.
Digital Solaris	Posted - 2010.06.29 09:08:00 - [86] Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto Edited by: VicturusTeSaluto on 29/06/2010 08:51:55 t3 was a horrible idea but not at all because they are solopwnmobiles. They are no better suited to combat than any other cruiser sized hull. I have killed many t3 in t1/t2 ships without ever breaking a sweat. The problem with t3 is that they can probe, warp cloaked, even warp through bubbles. In other words they are a farmer's wet dream. For a while, a single farmer in a 3b tengu was able to complete every single site in metro low sec. Virtually impossible to catch. He had cov ops cloak +stabs fit for probing and travel. Docked up for a higher dps fit to complete sites. Would dock or log as soon as anyone enters local. Only caught him once and it was because he made a big mistake. Made so much that he didn't even think twice about using the same 3b setup again immediately. Had the same issue in 0.0 with t3 ships being able to get stuff out of a bubbled pos/run bubble camps etc. There is no way that they should be able to warp cloaked/probe/warp through bubbles/complete virtually any mission or exploration unassisted etc too much for one ship. They need to be required to specialize, to have a scout or alt. So, you are whining over T3 because you have to change your tactics?
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.06.29 09:11:00 - [87] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 co proc is fail on a cruiser, use a reactor control, nublet. additionally, you're putting a battleship/carrier size plate on. enjoy the 10 seconds to align? how about making the MWD that much more fail since you're gimping your speed with so much mass addition to your ship via the plate? there's a reason you should stick to your own ships. àand yet, what he came up with on a whim seems to be vastly better than what you were flying. So how abysmally fail was your contraption? Is that why you don't want to provide the information everyone is asking for in order to proceed with the actual discussion? ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Mari Seles	Posted - 2010.06.29 09:18:00 - [88] Originally by: Tippia àand yet, what he came up with on a whim seems to be vastly better than what you were flying. So how abysmally fail was your contraption? Is that why you don't want to provide the information everyone is asking for in order to proceed with the actual discussion? I would also like to point out that apparently Reactor Control Units give you more cpu, I never knew that fact, might explain why my ships are horrible horrible fail fits
Skydell Umbrella Amarr	Posted - 2010.06.29 09:18:00 - [89] And a Dramiel can ** a T2. Nobody flying T1 ***es about that though, do they?
Saelie	Posted - 2010.06.29 09:19:00 - [90] Edited by: Saelie on 29/06/2010 09:21:47 Originally by: 1Ekrid1 Edited by: 1Ekrid1 on 29/06/2010 08:41:34 co proc is fail on a cruiser, use a reactor control, nublet. additionally, you're putting a battleship/carrier size plate on. enjoy the 10 seconds to align? how about making the MWD that much more fail since you're gimping your speed with so much mass addition to your ship via the plate? there's a reason you should stick to your own ships. Concentrated fail has been detected. 1) Co-Processor gives CPU, Reactor Control gives powergrid. One cannot replace the other. 2) 1600mm plates on tanky cruisers are, in fact, very common. Especially on a little ship you might know named the Maller. Bait Mallers, in fact, usually have two. 3) Triple-Trimarked Megathrons with 3-4 1600mm plates generally still sport MWDs. Why? Because they don't need to go zomgbbqfast, they just need to go faster than the other guy. Same principle. After your repeated displays of stupid throughout this thread, I hereby revoke your qualification to discuss what a good ship fitting is. Edit: Also mentioning that I have a fit that has 5x the effective HP and does more DPS than the OP's.

King Gore Sword and Pistol	Posted - 2010.06.29 09:29:00 - [91] Edited by: King Gore on 29/06/2010 09:30:41 Edited by: King Gore on 29/06/2010 09:30:29 Edited by: King Gore on 29/06/2010 09:30:22 [Punisher, ac] Small Armor Repairer II 200mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Gyrostabilizer II Adaptive Nano Plating II Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters Warp Scrambler II 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S 5W Infectious Power System Malfunction Small Capacitor Control Circuit I Small Capacitor Control Circuit I Small Capacitor Control Circuit I I bet this could beat the OP's 'cruiser fit'. EDIT: Also, gtfo my forums. - Originally by: Verone Happy Ishtar is extremely happy Originally by: Kahn Souphanousinphone I thought I was going to live next to a powerful man, now I just live next to power.
Shintai Gallente Arx Io Orbital Factories Arx Io	Posted - 2010.06.29 09:33:00 - [92] Edited by: Shintai on 29/06/2010 09:34:11 AT8, T1 BCs etc eating T3 ships alive. CCP ahvent ruined their game like other MMOs. Who changes everything to mandatory to win. Buy expansion or lose. The last 7 years I only seen EvE go forward. Sure I miss a few things. But those things was possible with 6000 players and not 350000 players. -------------------------------------- Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry
Baneken Gallente Aseveljet	Posted - 2010.06.29 09:34:00 - [93] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 Edited by: 1Ekrid1 on 29/06/2010 03:05:58 tell me, you thikn a cruiser should be able to tank 180 DPS, while doing 1400 per volley? T2 drones obviously included. and MWD at 3km/s? Well it better would, when even my Ishkur does a shy over 200dps and a Thorax can have EHP's between 12k - 53k and dps volley from 480 - 1448dps. Both fits are slow as hell but thats beside the point here obviously. http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.06.29 13:05:00 - [94] Originally by: Tippia For those of you asking that Ekrid posts logs and/or killmail, the problem is that the last time he did that (trying to show that the mechanics for sig/speed tanking larger guns didn't work), the logs showed that the mechanics worked perfectlyà and that didn't go over well with him. So I think he'll do just about anything to stay away from that particular trap this time. _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
ZenSun Total Mayhem. Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2010.06.29 13:13:00 - [95] Dont quote me on this, but I am pretty sure that if you fit a t3 in order for it to evade gatecamps/bubbles and such, they are fairly useless pvp boats. Damn right, for the price and risk people pay, they should easily be able to destroy a t1 20/30mil fitted cruiser. To me your thread is unbalanced and not particularly productive, its just a whine.
David Grogan Gallente	Posted - 2010.06.29 13:23:00 - [96] Edited by: David Grogan on 29/06/2010 13:23:07 Originally by: Felix Esperium voting 1ekrid1 for worst new forums poster agreed 1ekrid1 hello kitty online is that way it should be easy enough for you SIG: if my message has spelling errors its cos i fail at typing properly :P
Rashmika Clavain Gallente	Posted - 2010.06.29 13:28:00 - [97] Came here expecting a downtime moan... left disappointed.
drendell	Posted - 2010.06.29 13:29:00 - [98] saftey in numbers they aint that good, seems like your making mountains out of mole hills. i suggest you make some friends if you cant deal with 1 alone. its t3 tech its supposed to be powerful
akuera	Posted - 2010.06.29 13:32:00 - [99] I want T3 Battleships That have the sig radius of a friget, the firepower of a dred and tank of a titan. And I want it to cost 500 billion in super rare sleeper loot. Is that too much to ask? what is wrong with having an awsum ship if it cost alot and needs extensive skilltraning to get? Is that no the that the point of a titan? Titans take a blob to bring down and will insta own its smaller brothers and sisters.
Takashi Halamoto No Limit Productions Looney Toons.	Posted - 2010.06.29 13:38:00 - [100] i do love the OP's fundamental logical flaw that ship balance is based on hull size, ergo all cruiser hulls should be equal ROFLMAO balance is based on capabilities and fittings, Frinstane me and my mate in Huginns laugh at dramiels and vagabonds as they GTFO or die, vs a battleship we melt like the fools we were, is the battleship overpowered? no we just brought tacklepower ships vs a brick, id not want to solo a Maller in a Huginn as the gold brick has a good chance, give me a vagabond or other WTF damage speed tanker though and i will laugh at his laser tracking and slug speed and seriously post the kill mail as i believe you screwed up the fit on a maller a ship that can have enough ehp even on its weak resists to play in battlecruiser levels Me? im just sitting here,

Laina Delapore Caldari Red Sun Industries	Posted - 2010.06.29 13:43:00 - [101] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 [Whining] By extension, your argument implies that anything that can kill a T1 cruiser has ruined EVE. Plenty of T3s out there dying to small gangs, not 25 to 1. Likewise, plenty of T2 cruisers out there dying to less than 5 to 1 odds. Of course you will still see younger players in lowsec when it's "completely populated with T3s." People will still need cyno alts.
Milo Caman Gallente Anshar Incorporated	Posted - 2010.06.29 13:46:00 - [102] Originally by: King Gore EDIT: Also, gtfo my forums. My god, seconded, Get back under your damn bridge Ekrid. --- Originally by: Sarina Berghil I think the reason your guns didn't work is because you're trying to hunt squirrels with Howitzers.
Kazuros	Posted - 2010.06.29 13:48:00 - [103] Apparently there are people in this thread that haven't witnessed what happens to a T3 when it gets neuted. Something about sitting in a very, VERY expensive cruiser comes to mind.
Mixed Signals Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2010.06.29 13:54:00 - [104] Where can I buy this fantasy boat with a IWIN button to do a couple thousand dps, tank like there's no tomorrow and fly faster than Superman?? Plix point me in the right direction :( Also - I see no killmails posted yet :( I'm a sad bunny
Titen	Posted - 2010.06.29 13:55:00 - [105] It's an isk ratio that decides risk, not whether or not an individual thinks 1 v 1 must always have an equal chance. Might as well say Battleships are overpowered because they can kill a Frigate. Assume a decently fit BS has 120m isk invested in it. How many cruisers can you field at that price.. 8? 10? How many frigates? 20? 30? Put 8 cruisers against a BS and the BS dies. Put 20 frigs against a BS and the BS dies. And there is the risk. Isk. Put 750m worth of non-T3 ships up against a single T3 ship and the strategic cruiser will more than likely go PoP. Sure, it can cloak up and hide - but so can other ships in-game that cost far less. The basis of the OP seems to be a 1 vs 1 scenario, where there are no real options to choose from - other than another T3 ship - to counter the power of a strategic cruiser. And that is how it should be. Or.. are T1 frigs underpowered (and unfair) because they can't solo a carrier?
Rocky Deadshot	Posted - 2010.06.29 13:56:00 - [106] Originally by: Daemonio Who would win in a fight, a modern jet fighter, or a WWI prop plane? grossly ******ed fail quote you picked up from other braindead types who regurgitate that in response to any balancing thread. you might say its more like an F15 vs an F22. That should be the diffence, but you are correct, they ahve made it the difference of a wright brothers plane to a F-22. 3 seconds and dead is not balance, no matter how you cut it. Actually OP, I'ld say a T3 SC to a T1 BC is about the f22 v f15, seeing as 2 f22's toke out 20 f15s in its first trial run, all without being detected. Atleast the BCs could get a target lock Also ... why dont you just get one for yourself? oh wait ur probably some dumb drake pilot that lacks any skills
Haramir Haleths Caldari Nutella Bande	Posted - 2010.06.29 14:09:00 - [107] That is what happen when EFT Warrior Login and play the game.
Enkilil Minmatar Thirteen Ninety Three	Posted - 2010.06.29 14:12:00 - [108] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 I got omgwtfpwned by a T3 Cruiser in my Vexor. It's not fair! Bawwww! I don't have any skills and therefore the game isn't balanced! Someone give me some attention! Did I pretty much get that right?
Michelle Vega	Posted - 2010.06.29 14:15:00 - [109] I flew all races of t3 ships and sold them all after I realised it was the "Iwin" button of Eve. Now I am much happier in PVP since it's more even and the risks are greater. I never lost any of the t3's in any battle - which made the game pointless. Or maybe I was lucky.
Khalin Gwah	Posted - 2010.06.29 14:20:00 - [110] Originally by: Enkilil Originally by: 1Ekrid1 I got omgwtfpwned by a T3 Cruiser in my Vexor. It's not fair! Bawwww! I don't have any skills and therefore the game isn't balanced! Someone give me some attention! Did I pretty much get that right? Spot on!

Mari Seles	Posted - 2010.06.29 14:21:00 - [111] Originally by: Enkilil Originally by: 1Ekrid1 I got omgwtfpwned by a T3 Cruiser in my Vexor. It's not fair! Bawwww! I don't have any skills and therefore the game isn't balanced! Someone give me some attention! Did I pretty much get that right? He flew a maller actually and had only 12k ehp
Hooded Hauler	Posted - 2010.06.29 14:27:00 - [112] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 Is it supposed to be invincibly better except if theres 25x more T1 ships, more than half of which will die to kill the T3 ship. Bahahahahahah T3 ships are more powerful than T1 but if you lose 12 of them to take one down when you have 25 people, you're doing it wrong
Sealiah Minmatar Coffee Lovers Brewing Club Aegis Militia	Posted - 2010.06.29 14:29:00 - [113] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 T3 ships. seriously. they can kill a T1 cruiser in 4 seconds flat, with drones and tech Ii weapons. how is that in any way balanced. people say "sure you pay a lots and lose skills if yo die in it, so theres the risk". well Ill etll you theoretical risk is meaningless. so a T3 can be blobbed, and lose their ship. great. that means nothing to pilots that cant afford T3 ships, and thats not really the same risk other pilots run. To make it clear, they're saying that the counter to the high power of the T3 is a Blob, hich is what makes it risky. a BLOB. not a fe other ships, a blob. when lowsec becomes completely populated with T3s, we will not see any more faction or T1 or T2 ships in lwosec, we will never see younger players again. hte amount of pwoer the T3 ship has compared to its risk makes its risks laughably small. T3 was a game balance breaking mistake. T2 is supposed to be better than T1. who would deny that? Butw was T2 really meant to be invincib ly better to T1, except if there was 5x more T2 ships? How about t3? Is it supposed to be invincibly better except if theres 25x more T1 ships, more than half of which will die to kill the T3 ship. this game, through this mechanic encourages blobs. Why not T2 and T3 were both quarter steps above the T1 and T2 versions, and with only a quarter of the cost they are now, and so on. Small progression and a little more power for a more hefty pricetag, thats how you run a balanced game that works. CCP, your "game balance" theories are ****. Oh wait... Hmm... A ship of the same size, but costing not 5m for the hull but 450m so... 90 times more... IT CAN'T KILL THE MORE EXPENSIVE SHIP that requires months of more training if you don't use any tactic just 'approach' and shoot? Oh wait... Eliminate all capital ships! Nobody can afford them, right? And battleships! Because a pilot in a t1 frig for 1m isk can't kill the battleship worth 90m isk... Think a bit, get a more expensive, better fitted ship and go fight. And when you kill that t3 cruiser with 4 t1 cruisers - it's your time to hava a luagh!
Johnathan Walker Caldari Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.06.29 14:30:00 - [114] Originally by: Daemonio Who would win in a fight, a modern jet fighter, or a WWI prop plane? the older prop plane of course, duh. Haven't you watched Battlestar Galactica? You know, disabling all the advanced weapon systems including the top of the line fighters? Warmly, "The Bear" JW
ObviousTroll Alt Gallente Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2010.06.29 14:31:00 - [115] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 T3 ships. seriously. they can kill a T1 cruiser in 4 seconds flat, with drones and tech Ii weapons. how is that in any way balanced. people say "sure you pay a lots and lose skills if yo die in it, so theres the risk". well Ill etll you theoretical risk is meaningless. so a T3 can be blobbed, and lose their ship. great. that means nothing to pilots that cant afford T3 ships, and thats not really the same risk other pilots run. To make it clear, they're saying that the counter to the high power of the T3 is a Blob, hich is what makes it risky. a BLOB. not a fe other ships, a blob. when lowsec becomes completely populated with T3s, we will not see any more faction or T1 or T2 ships in lwosec, we will never see younger players again. hte amount of pwoer the T3 ship has compared to its risk makes its risks laughably small. T3 was a game balance breaking mistake. T2 is supposed to be better than T1. who would deny that? Butw was T2 really meant to be invincib ly better to T1, except if there was 5x more T2 ships? How about t3? Is it supposed to be invincibly better except if theres 25x more T1 ships, more than half of which will die to kill the T3 ship. this game, through this mechanic encourages blobs. Why not T2 and T3 were both quarter steps above the T1 and T2 versions, and with only a quarter of the cost they are now, and so on. Small progression and a little more power for a more hefty pricetag, thats how you run a balanced game that works. CCP, your "game balance" theories are ****. Son, I have personally seen a single unsupported Hurricane (that's a Battle Cruiser son, a Battle Cruiser [boys slower than molasses in wintertime]) own a T3.
Johnathan Walker Caldari Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.06.29 14:38:00 - [116] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 T3 ships. seriously. Post with your main, seriously. There's no funny killmaills to look up under !Ekrid1; I was disappointed. Warmly, "The Bear" JW
Lord Xantoh	Posted - 2010.06.29 14:42:00 - [117] Edited by: Lord Xantoh on 29/06/2010 14:42:53 Originally by: Daemonio Who would win in a fight, a modern jet fighter, or a WWI prop plane? Not the best example as it is a tricky one. :) In theory, the WWI prop plane will 'win' as the modern jet fighter can't lock on the prop plane due to its missing/low radar/infrared signature as it is mostly woods and tissue and the modern jet fighter will overshoot the terribly slow prop plane, with the jetfighter pinning itself into the dirt. :P
Dalden V Blue Lounge Industries	Posted - 2010.06.29 14:47:00 - [118] Originally by: ObviousTroll Alt [ Son, I have personally seen a single unsupported Hurricane (that's a Battle Cruiser son, a Battle Cruiser [boys slower than molasses in wintertime]) own a T3. Ahh.. but a Battlecrusier is 'one class higher' than a T3, so it's obvious it will own a T3
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.06.29 15:00:00 - [119] Originally by: Johnathan Walker Post with your main, seriously. There's no funny killmaills to look up under !Ekrid1; I was disappointed. Look for Ekrid instead ù it was his main (for poasting at least) until it got thrown out on its rear end for trolling and swearing too muchà ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
chrisss0r	Posted - 2010.06.29 15:04:00 - [120] 12k Ehp gone in 3 Seconds? wtb 4000 dps t3 ship that can go 5 km/s

Doddy The Executives IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.29 15:04:00 - [121] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 Edited by: 1Ekrid1 on 29/06/2010 04:58:40 Quote: It wasn't the T3 that really killed you. That pilot could have flown a T2 cruiser and you'd be just as dead. You probably would have died if he flew a T1 cruiser too. i wish you weren't this ignorant, but sadly I have to live in a world with people like you. He went through 5500 HP, modified to 12k effective HP via resists, in three volleys from his ship with T2 drones as well, so basically you're an idiot. 4000 dps? nice! Anyway with 12k ehp he would probably have killed you in a plate rupture or a thorax too. If he was really good he would have killed you in a rifter. In a way t3 just put you out of your misery faster.
Dimdi	Posted - 2010.06.29 15:05:00 - [122] op is an idiot ^^
Illumin Ice Intergalactic Star Force	Posted - 2010.06.29 15:25:00 - [123] 6/10 at trolling
Aurelius Valentius Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2010.06.29 15:27:00 - [124] This is invalid. T3 is not overpowered, nor are they that expensive. T2 ships are often better than T3 in the roles they have, and generally can stomp on a T3. Please state your calculations and your math used to come up with these outragious statements of 5x and 25x and such - this sounds like so much ranting - back it up with actual calculations and data. The MAIN reason T2 and T3 are better than T1 is that the pilots SKILLS are more developed, and with the bonuses of the ship = a MUCH improved overall performance. IF you are a new player, and you just got into the game, no your not going to be able to do much against these ships at all, even a moderately skilled player will not succeed in a battle unless they are very lucky, blob the other ship or some other oddity. However, a very skilled pilot in a T1 can and sometimes does stomp on T2/T3 ships of moderately skilled players and often times with new players just jumping into a T2. SKILLS, bonuses and tactics in that order ARE why T2/T3 ARE better.
Borisaurus Venant Inc.	Posted - 2010.06.29 15:34:00 - [125] This guy is an excellent troll. -------------- Interested in a 750+ word story, character bio, war report, or homework assignment? - Click here!
Shiho Weitong Caldari Punken Dredophiles	Posted - 2010.06.29 15:40:00 - [126] My bet. A STD launcher kestrel with a long point would have owned the OP. Originally by: Borisaurus This guy is an excellent troll. True, though he's not really being innovative. ----------- Why is it called common sense, when it's clearly very rare. I had a mind once, but alas, I seem to have forgotten where I left it. Originally by: Tchell Dahhn You win, and thank you.
Tae'Lin Hynd Golden Horse Trading Company	Posted - 2010.06.29 15:43:00 - [127] With the skills it takes me to get into a t2 and a t3 cruiser, i'd still smoke your stupid ass if we both were in t1 cruisers... You are jealous is all it is that you can't afford your own t3 or even t2 ships i would imagine. Fail
Jovialmadness	Posted - 2010.06.29 16:06:00 - [128] Op. Do humanity a favor and find something worth posting please. This drizzel you have brought up is most assuredly not a major concern. Quote: As a side note, i liken capacitor to blood. Without blood, nothing can function in the body. I do NOT like being a race that bleeds quicker than anyone else. yes, i am an alt..Jovial Quote:
Muddy Miner Gallente Tiny Fleet	Posted - 2010.06.29 16:26:00 - [129] Originally by: Zions Child Actually, when its an F22 vs. and F15, I wouldn't give the F15 3 seconds (after flight time, that is). I see where your going with that, but you might want to pick a plane that has seen actual air to air combat. AFAIK the F-22 has not, where as the F-15 has a massively lopsided kill ratio that I suspect the F-22 may never see. My money is on the F-15 as it's proven, where as the F-22 is, shall we say the worst of the X planes but the cheapest so it won. mourns the death of the YF-23
Ghaylenty	Posted - 2010.06.29 16:50:00 - [130] im pretty sure a 600+ dps 35k EHP deimos would give a proteus a close run for his money, NO MATTER how the proteus is fitted. super tank? well the deimos is gonna catch up eventually. lots of dps? hope its more than him. lots of speed? lol. if you're trying to compare a thorax or vexor to a ship that is 100 (heres text: ONE HUNDRED) times more expensive then you should be willing to accept that certain aspects of the more expensive ship will have an insurmountable advantage over the basic version of the ship. aaaaaand queue the catch phrase 'strategic cruiser' not 'solopwnmobile'

Barakkus Caelestis Iudicium	Posted - 2010.06.29 16:54:00 - [131] They ruined their game by letting people post on the forums. Originally by: CCP Dropbear rofl edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
nafiy gnaw	Posted - 2010.06.29 17:16:00 - [132] Serious point 1: a good T3 does combine the DPS and tank of BC with the speed of a Cruiser plus it can do loads of other funny stuff such as being immune to the bubble, so yes, it is a very powerful ship, which is why a fully fit T3 is worth as much as 10 fully-fit Battleships and is worth almost as much as a fully-fit Dreadnaught. Serious point 2: You can kill a T3 cruiser with 2 appropriate T2 or 4 appropriate T1 cruisery. A fully-fit and rigged T3 is worth 5 times as much as a fully-fit rigged T2 or 50 times as much as a fully fit and rigged T1.That looks pretty balanced to me. Serious point 3: WTF? 12k EHP on a maller? Even a T1 industrial can get more than that without rigs, seriously. If you somehow managed to have less than 25k EHP on a maller, you seriously need to download EFT. Serious point 4: Learn to use intelligence (which refers to both intelligence information, and the intellect of your brain, which you quite frankly lacks both) to pick fights that you have a chance to win. And know when and how to GTFO when things go bad (obviously, both in game and forum). Not so serious point: OP, you are a troll. If you really hate this game, stop playing it, EvE will become a better game without trolls such as you, signed nafiy
Amanda Mor Gallente	Posted - 2010.06.29 17:25:00 - [133] Originally by: nafiy gnaw Serious point 1: a good T3 does combine the DPS and tank of BC with the speed of a Cruiser plus it can do loads of other funny stuff such as being immune to the bubble, so yes, it is a very powerful ship, which is why a fully fit T3 is worth as much as 10 fully-fit Battleships and is worth almost as much as a fully-fit Dreadnaught. Serious point 2: You can kill a T3 cruiser with 2 appropriate T2 or 4 appropriate T1 cruisery. A fully-fit and rigged T3 is worth 5 times as much as a fully-fit rigged T2 or 50 times as much as a fully fit and rigged T1.That looks pretty balanced to me. Serious point 3: WTF? 12k EHP on a maller? Even a T1 industrial can get more than that without rigs, seriously. If you somehow managed to have less than 25k EHP on a maller, you seriously need to download EFT. Serious point 4: Learn to use intelligence (which refers to both intelligence information, and the intellect of your brain, which you quite frankly lacks both) to pick fights that you have a chance to win. And know when and how to GTFO when things go bad (obviously, both in game and forum). Not so serious point: OP, you are a troll. If you really hate this game, stop playing it, EvE will become a better game without trolls such as you, signed nafiy For the love of all that is holy, can you people STOP TELLING HIM TO GO AWAY AND STOP POSTING!?!?!? He might actually listen, and I haven't had this much fun reading threads since the days of Nathan Sanderson/ForumAlt4Laughs. This guy is epic. ---------------------------------------------- I don't have an alt, but there's a main that would be upset if he heard me say that...
Karak Terrel	Posted - 2010.06.29 17:47:00 - [134] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 T3 ships. seriously. they can kill a T1 cruiser in 4 seconds flat, with drones and tech Ii weapons. No, they can kill YOUR T1 cruiser in 4 seconds and this is not the fault of the T3
Aurelius Valentius Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2010.06.29 17:55:00 - [135] looks at the small pile of ashes that was the OP and sighs, picks up a handbroom and dustpan and sweeps up ...OZYMANDIAS "I met a traveller from an antique land Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone Stand in the desert. Near them, on the sand, Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command Tell that its sculptor well those passions read Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things, The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed. And on the pedestal these words appear: "My name is Ozymandias, king of kings: Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!" Nothing beside remains. Round the decay Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare The lone and level sands stretch far away."
ITTigerClawIK Amarr Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers	Posted - 2010.06.29 18:53:00 - [136] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 T3 ships. seriously. they can kill a T1 cruiser in 4 seconds flat, with drones and tech Ii weapons. how is that in any way balanced. people say "sure you pay a lots and lose skills if yo die in it, so theres the risk". well Ill etll you theoretical risk is meaningless. so a T3 can be blobbed, and lose their ship. great. that means nothing to pilots that cant afford T3 ships, and thats not really the same risk other pilots run. To make it clear, they're saying that the counter to the high power of the T3 is a Blob, hich is what makes it risky. a BLOB. not a fe other ships, a blob. when lowsec becomes completely populated with T3s, we will not see any more faction or T1 or T2 ships in lwosec, we will never see younger players again. hte amount of pwoer the T3 ship has compared to its risk makes its risks laughably small. T3 was a game balance breaking mistake. T2 is supposed to be better than T1. who would deny that? Butw was T2 really meant to be invincib ly better to T1, except if there was 5x more T2 ships? How about t3? Is it supposed to be invincibly better except if theres 25x more T1 ships, more than half of which will die to kill the T3 ship. this game, through this mechanic encourages blobs. Why not T2 and T3 were both quarter steps above the T1 and T2 versions, and with only a quarter of the cost they are now, and so on. Small progression and a little more power for a more hefty pricetag, thats how you run a balanced game that works. CCP, your "game balance" theories are ****. This is all i have to say to that Sig space reclaimed in the name of me -courtesy of Tiggy ([email protected])
Camel S	Posted - 2010.06.29 19:10:00 - [137] They nerfed dual MWD cruisers
1Ekrid1	Posted - 2010.06.29 22:31:00 - [138] Edited by: 1Ekrid1 on 29/06/2010 22:34:24 so what you guys are saying, is that the cost justifies its power, yet its so easy to kill that 100m can kill 600m, and its not really that much more powreful. so how come you guys arent complaining that its too expensive and the SP loss also makes it so little worth it? Obviously it must have the power to stand behind its 600 mil pricetag and its SP loss cost, then obviosuly its far above and beyond the balance of cruiser sized hulls. lte me make it clear. I have a 6 second alignment time, I warped in at 30km off the asteroid belt, he was 32km away, I saw him and by the time I aligned to warp off to another place, which was immediately after I saw him there, he was 8000m away and killed my shield and ate 10% of armor in one volley, then got through almost all armor in the next, then killed armor and hull in the third volley. and I was using resists. so please, lets not be ******s here. There's 1, repeat 1, frigate in the T1 lineup designed to be a suicide tackler. the rest are for COMBAT. so don't tell me to tackle when I'm in a combat T1 frig. OR tell CCP to fix their mess.
Digital Solaris	Posted - 2010.06.29 22:37:00 - [139] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 so what you guys are saying, is that the cost justifies its power, yet its so easy to kill that 100m can kill 600m, and its not really that much more powreful. so how come you guys arent complaining that its too expensive and the SP loss also makes it so little worth it? Obviously it must have the power to stand behind its 600 mil pricetag and its SP loss cost, then obviosuly its far above and beyond the balance of cruiser sized hulls. Ekrid, taking oxy from moron once more.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.06.29 22:39:00 - [140] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 Edited by: 1Ekrid1 on 29/06/2010 22:34:24 so what you guys are saying, is that the cost justifies its power, yet its so easy to kill that 100m can kill 600m, and its not really that much more powreful. so how come you guys arent complaining that its too expensive and the SP loss also makes it so little worth it? Obviously it must have the power to stand behind its 600 mil pricetag and its SP loss cost, then obviosuly its far above and beyond the balance of cruiser sized hulls. lte me make it clear. I have a 6 second alignment time, I warped in at 30km off the asteroid belt, he was 32km away, I saw him and by the time I aligned to warp off to another place, which was immediately after I saw him there, he was 8000m away and killed my shield and ate 10% of armor in one volley, then got through almost all armor in the next, then killed armor and hull in the third volley. and I was using resists. so please, lets not be ****s here. Sounds like hax to me. Petition your loss under game mechanic exploitation. Originally by:** Balsak Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.

Diomedes Calypso	Posted - 2010.06.29 22:52:00 - [141] The Sandbox has a solution . T3 to me is a great target...worth losing dozens of t1 cruisers to get perhaps. Using killboard efficiency makes flying a 300million ship a ticket to failure KB efficeincy is for self-evaluation.. of course people can fake it if they want..although your corporates would probably notice it if you tried by most methods. All about how you see it, but in a persistent game with people starting at different times you're setting yourself up for dissapointment if you start thinking that you'd find a fair 1 vs 1 or even 5vs 5 fight very often (even if you were all the exact same sp , you'd have chosen a diffferent mix of ships)
BeanBagKing Ch3mic4l Warfare STR8NGE BREW	Posted - 2010.06.29 23:06:00 - [142] Bleh, running out of lol's fast on page 5, and I doubt he'll produce a killmail so we can have more. Our only hope is that whoever killed him comes forward and posts the killmail himself =D
Typherian Minmatar Legio Invicta Apotheosis of Virtue	Posted - 2010.06.29 23:09:00 - [143] I really don't know what the op is talking about. Just killed a tengu the other day with 2 battleships. Probably could have done it with 1. T3 isn't overpowered it simply requires more planning to kill.
Obsidian Hawk RONA Legion	Posted - 2010.06.29 23:15:00 - [144] Op is a noob. Here is my counter to tech 3. Curse + Falcon.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.06.29 23:35:00 - [145] Originally by: Obsidian Hawk Op is a noob. Here is my counter to tech 3. Curse + Falcon. It's even simpler and cheaper than that both in isk and sp needed. Celestis + Blackbird. Originally by: Balsak Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
Lost Greybeard	Posted - 2010.06.29 23:50:00 - [146] All I've gained from this thread is that it's apparently possible to make a "RUN AWAAAAAY" ship with t3 tech, so it might actually be interesting (let me do more puttering about in lowsec and 0.0 without fear) instead of a complete waste of my time for something that's no fun whatsoever (cap ships).
Balsak Minmatar Friends of Bigfoot	Posted - 2010.06.29 23:58:00 - [147] Wow, back on page 1 this thread was starting to die but it really picked itself up and got going nicely. To those claiming this guy is a troll please don't do that, it's giving stupid people a way out of looking stupid. Stupid people should not be allowed the troll defense.
1Ekrid1	Posted - 2010.06.30 00:37:00 - [148] Originally by: Typherian I really don't know what the op is talking about. Just killed a tengu the other day with 2 battleships (you know, those things that have 12x more powergrid than cruiser size hulls, so can fit heavy neuts and have more lows and mids than cruisers, so can fit tons of tackle and DPS and tank gear). Probably couldn't have done it with 1. T3 isn't overpowered if you're planning to fight battleships with a curiser hull. it simply requires more planning to kill. FYP for truth and clarity. There's 1, repeat 1, frigate in the T1 lineup designed to be a suicide tackler. the rest are for COMBAT. so don't tell me to tackle when I'm in a combat T1 frig. OR tell CCP to fix their mess.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.06.30 00:45:00 - [149] 1Ekrid1, combat log or STFU>FO. _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
1Ekrid1	Posted - 2010.06.30 00:52:00 - [150] ok tell me how to get a combat log while I dont have access to eve client? There's 1, repeat 1, frigate in the T1 lineup designed to be a suicide tackler. the rest are for COMBAT. so don't tell me to tackle when I'm in a combat T1 frig. OR tell CCP to fix their mess.

Pesky LaRue Minmatar Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels	Posted - 2010.06.30 01:39:00 - [151] Edited by: Pesky LaRue on 30/06/2010 01:40:16 Originally by: 1Ekrid1 ok tell me how to get a combat log while I dont have access to eve client? Already been posted in this thread: Originally by: Yuki Kulotsuki Originally by: 1Ekrid1 sure, let me know how to get at it from outside of eve client since Im not near a computer that can open eve right now, and you can thank CCP for that. Use the full API. Go to: http://api.eve-online.com/char/Killlog.xml.aspx?userID=A&apiKey=B&characterID=C where A is your user ID, B is your full API key and C is the character ID for the character you lost it with. Save the page source which should be an xml file. You'll see your killmail info there. Originally by: 1Ekrid1 so please, lets not be retards here. might be a bit late for you... . [Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels]
Cpt Branko Retired Pirate Club	Posted - 2010.06.30 01:43:00 - [152] Originally by: Rocky Deadshot Actually OP, I'ld say a T3 SC to a T1 BC is about the f22 v f15, seeing as 2 f22's toke out 20 f15s in its first trial run, all without being detected. Atleast the BCs could get a target lock You're clueless if you think that there is any other outcome to 20 BCs vs 2 SCs then 2 SC wrecks. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Roshin Lokel	Posted - 2010.06.30 01:45:00 - [153] Never flown T3......I would say though that if I had to wait near 4 months to get into a ship it better damn well be worth it. I think T3s rock as is. I am honored to be shot by one it means the player actually put in the time and lost almost 4 months of training to fly a ship to kick ass in. I mean seriously thats almost a hole season. The stuff needed is from sleepers anyway so you would expect advanced weapons to shread through T1 hulls. Although next you may be describing how incredibly unfair a titan is to a carrier, yes?
Lucious Desire	Posted - 2010.06.30 01:47:00 - [154] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 ok tell me how to get a combat log while I dont have access to eve client? just to fan the flames, My LOKI IS ACE, i use it to gank t1 frigs and noob ships.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.06.30 02:04:00 - [155] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 ok tell me how to get a combat log while I dont have access to eve client? The COMBAT LOG (as opposed to the KILLMAIL) is on the computer you used when you had the fight, in \My Documents\EVE\logs\Gamelogs. It's a plain text file. Name of file is date/time of the log, so it should be easy to locate the proper one if you know when you were killed. The KILLMAIL you can get via the EVE API, it's been explained to you already how in this thread. _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
1Ekrid1	Posted - 2010.06.30 02:06:00 - [156] Edited by: 1Ekrid1 on 30/06/2010 02:14:26 Edited by: 1Ekrid1 on 30/06/2010 02:09:02 Originally by: Pesky LaRue Edited by: Pesky LaRue on 30/06/2010 01:40:16 Originally by: 1Ekrid1 ok tell me how to get a combat log while I dont have access to eve client? Already been posted in this thread: Originally by: Yuki Kulotsuki Originally by: 1Ekrid1 sure, let me know how to get at it from outside of eve client since Im not near a computer that can open eve right now, and you can thank CCP for that. Use the full API. Go to: http://api.eve-online.com/char/Killlog.xml.aspx?userID=A&apiKey=B&characterID=C where A is your user ID, B is your full API key and C is the character ID for the character you lost it with. Save the page source which should be an xml file. You'll see your killmail info there. Originally by: 1Ekrid1 so please, lets not be retards here. might be a bit late for you... <eveapi version="2"> <currentTime>2010-06-30 02:04:46</currentTime> <error code="105">Invalid characterID.</error> <cachedUntil>2010-06-30 02:09:46</cachedUntil> </eveapi> Fail. and why is it such an obscure manner to get killmails? why doesnt eve have a listing of killmails and other things in eve insider under my character, or god forbid using eve gate. Originally by: Roshin Lokel Never flown T3......I would say though that if I had to wait near 4 months to get into a ship it better damn well be worth it. I think T3s rock as is. I am honored to be shot by one it means the player actually put in the time and lost almost 4 months of training to fly a ship to kick ass in. I mean seriously thats almost a hole season. The stuff needed is from sleepers anyway so you would expect advanced weapons to shread through T1 hulls. Although next you may be describing how incredibly unfair a titan is to a carrier, yes? titan to carrier is two whole different ship classes. a T3 cruiser is still a cruiser. why does it have the speed of a nano-hac, the DPS of a faction cruiser or BC, and the tank of a T1 BS? Like I said before, you're saying that since it takes 4 months, they deserve to be overpowered. If the payoff is equal to the time and cost it takes, why not reduce the time and cost to make it less overpowered hmm? Or are you saying that if you spend a year training for a frigate that can doomsday in highsec, you should be able to use it because its impressive for someone to take a whole year to do that and the frig costs a billion isk so its okay? Thats the logic of ******s who cant balance a game. to me, tactical or strategic cruiser means you focus into one particular thing at the cost of doing other things. But it can do all this better than a T1: tank, DPS, speed, and THEN it can add on even more stuff to specialize. "But it costs 600 mil so it should be so overpowering, waah waah", you say. I say why not then reduce the cost and training time, make it a 40 mil ship, and then it cant have the same tank as a HAC if it wants to have really high DPS or really high speed, etc etc. Why not make it a strategic cruiser that takes a month or two to get into from the basic skills a person should already have, and then its a slightly more expensive than HAC cruiser, used by gangs that cant afford carriers and dreadnaughts, but can counter dreads and carriers with their strategic build? In short, why do you defend its superpower because it has a high price tag? Why aren't you whining that the pricetag is too high for such a small ship? Obviously because its power is so outstanding. Then lower the price, lower the power. it stands to reason. this, and pandering to people like you who want the 'ULTIMATE WTFPWN SMALL SHIP' are what is causing CCP to ruin their game. The funny thing is, by pandering to you, they're breaking their game, which means that when people with low loyatly get tired, they will just move on anyway, and people who just join will be disgusted at the lack of game balance. There's 1, repeat 1, frigate in the T1 lineup designed to be a suicide tackler. the rest are for COMBAT. so don't tell me to tackle when I'm in a combat T1 frig. OR tell CCP to fix their mess.
Lucious Desire	Posted - 2010.06.30 02:09:00 - [157] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 Originally by: Pesky LaRue Edited by: Pesky LaRue on 30/06/2010 01:40:16 Originally by: 1Ekrid1 ok tell me how to get a combat log while I dont have access to eve client? Already been posted in this thread: Originally by: Yuki Kulotsuki Originally by: 1Ekrid1 sure, let me know how to get at it from outside of eve client since Im not near a computer that can open eve right now, and you can thank CCP for that. Use the full API. Go to: http://api.eve-online.com/char/Killlog.xml.aspx?userID=A&apiKey=B&characterID=C where A is your user ID, B is your full API key and C is the character ID for the character you lost it with. Save the page source which should be an xml file. You'll see your killmail info there. Originally by: 1Ekrid1 so please, lets not be retards here. might be a bit late for you... <eveapi version="2"> <currentTime>2010-06-30 02:04:46</currentTime> <error code="105">Invalid characterID.</error> <cachedUntil>2010-06-30 02:09:46</cachedUntil> </eveapi> Fail. and why is it such an obscure manner to get killmails? why doesnt eve have a listing of killmails and other things in eve insider under my character, or god forbid using eve gate. give us the name of the charecter that was killed it will be on a KB somewhere
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.06.30 02:13:00 - [158] Edited by: Akita T on 30/06/2010 02:17:14 Character ID, numbnuts, not character name. Character names can be recycled after you biomass an old one, character IDs are supposed to be unique. The one for 1Ekrid1 for instance is 1844276840. Hover mouse over your portrait to see what I mean (or open it in new window if you can't see where links point at). As to why it's like this... it's an API not an UI. Yes, they COULD eventually get to making some kind of UI/plugin for EVE-Gate for that too, but not just yet. Meanwhile, more than enough 3rd party apps people have developed exist that can do that for you. Or, hell, use one of the existing killboards that feature automatic killmail import for all I care. There's plenty of those around too, if you can't be bothered to enter stuff properly. Still, the killmail itself won't tell us much except your fit and confirm your EHP claims (if they were accurate). We need the COMBAT LOGS to verify the rest of your story. You know, the numbers of volleys fired on you, time between shots on you, time it actually took you to die, and so on and so forth... the stuff that actually happened, NOT your heavily skewed inaccurate recollections. P.S. Next thing you know, you're going to tell us you formatted the PC you had the fight from, as opposed to just deleting EVE. Or that you threw it out the window in a fit of rage and it broke. Or something. _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Roshin Lokel	Posted - 2010.06.30 02:18:00 - [159] Originally by: Roshin Lokel Never flown T3......I would say though that if I had to wait near 4 months to get into a ship it better damn well be worth it. I think T3s rock as is. I am honored to be shot by one it means the player actually put in the time and lost almost 4 months of training to fly a ship to kick ass in. I mean seriously thats almost a hole season. The stuff needed is from sleepers anyway so you would expect advanced weapons to shread through T1 hulls. Although next you may be describing how incredibly unfair a titan is to a carrier, yes? titan to carrier is two whole different ship classes. a T3 cruiser is still a cruiser. why does it have the speed of a nano-hac, the DPS of a faction cruiser or BC, and the tank of a T1 BS? Like I said before, you're saying that since it takes 4 months, they deserve to be overpowered. If the payoff is equal to the time and cost it takes, why not reduce the time and cost to make it less overpowered hmm? Or are you saying that if you spend a year training for a frigate that can doomsday in highsec, you should be able to use it because its impressive for someone to take a whole year to do that and the frig costs a billion isk so its okay? Thats the logic of ****s who cant balance a game. No...Im saying nothing is wrong with T3s and if you dont like to get popped so easy fly a T2 or better yet don't fly anything...take a pic of your ship in dock set it as your wallpaper on desktop and hang up the sub. There was a quote someone put in their info one time I thought was funny...oh yeah Quote:** If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought to go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross. But it's not for the timid. - Q Point is if you don't like getting beaten down then don't bother to undock or better yet to even log in.
Felix Esperium Lysergic Distortions Research and Development	Posted - 2010.06.30 02:22:00 - [160] in before "that hard drive died"

Xyano	Posted - 2010.06.30 02:27:00 - [161] Edited by: Xyano on 30/06/2010 02:28:02
Ava Starfire Minmatar Nordanverdr Modr	Posted - 2010.06.30 03:40:00 - [162] tl;dr OP buttowned by T3, nerdrages about stabber loss. Space is fun!
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six	Posted - 2010.06.30 03:59:00 - [163] I heard there was a lot of poasting happening here and didn't want to be left out. ______________________________
Shade Millith Caldari Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.06.30 04:04:00 - [164] Originally by: Lucious Desire give us the name of the charecter that was killed it will be on a KB somewhere HA, the last time he did a massive whine like this I pressed him for the character he used. His replay was Quote: no u Basicly he knows **** all about the game, how to play the game, how to fit ships, how the mechanics work, or even how to explain what happened to him. ------------------------
Gladys Pank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.06.30 04:08:00 - [165] Successful troll IMO.
1Ekrid1	Posted - 2010.06.30 04:58:00 - [166] what a bunch of noobs. you clearly havent fought a T3 ship ever or you'd know. when I can get to the logfile that shows the fight I'll show it, but for now all there is is you people opening your dumb little mouths without having the experience, or youre just trying to protect the fact that its a 600 mil CRUISER. If its going to be so damn expensive, it has to be worth it in cost. that alone says its going to be ridiculously overpowered as a cruiser hull, to make up that difference. Next you'll be saying a dramiel should also get HAC HP and resists but also cost 100 mil more. cause thats "fair and balanced". I'm going to laugh my ass off when I post my log and shut you fools up for good, additional lulz will be had when CCP posts the Kill/loss ratio of all ships, and T3 cruisers have a 40-60:1 ratio. the minus one being absolutely ******ed people. Did none of you read on Evony how people spend 1000's of real live money for a game thats broken and worthless, and how why would people NOT do that here for T3 cruisers via GTC->PLEX? Because losing that much money means nothing to them, they're going to do it and keep coming back. Eve immediately became unfair when you could GTC->PLEX legally, T3 made it worse. There's 1, repeat 1, frigate in the T1 lineup designed to be a suicide tackler. the rest are for COMBAT. so don't tell me to tackle when I'm in a combat T1 frig. OR tell CCP to fix their mess.
Spades Slick	Posted - 2010.06.30 05:02:00 - [167] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 blah blah blah whine whine whine when I can get to the logfile that shows the fight I'll show it, blah blah blah whine whine whine Cut out all the unimportant stuff. Your killmail? You've been told several ways how to find it, so any error is on your part... Of course, you know you BSed, and don't want to 'fess up, so...
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.06.30 05:05:00 - [168] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 when I can get to the logfile that shows the fight I'll show it Until then, shut up. _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Lucious Desire	Posted - 2010.06.30 05:10:00 - [169] Edited by: Lucious Desire on 30/06/2010 05:11:42 Originally by: 1Ekrid1 what a bunch of noobs. you clearly havent fought a T3 ship ever or you'd know. when I can get to the logfile that shows the fight I'll show it, but for now all there is is you people opening your dumb little mouths without having the experience, or youre just trying to protect the fact that its a 600 mil CRUISER. If its going to be so damn expensive, it has to be worth it in cost. that alone says its going to be ridiculously overpowered as a cruiser hull, to make up that difference. Next you'll be saying a dramiel should also get HAC HP and resists but also cost 100 mil more. cause thats "fair and balanced". I'm going to laugh my ass off when I post my log and shut you fools up for good, additional lulz will be had when CCP posts the Kill/loss ratio of all ships, and T3 cruisers have a 40-60:1 ratio. the minus one being absolutely ******ed people. Did none of you read on Evony how people spend 1000's of real live money for a game thats broken and worthless, and how why would people NOT do that here for T3 cruisers via GTC->PLEX? Because losing that much money means nothing to them, they're going to do it and keep coming back. Eve immediately became unfair when you could GTC->PLEX legally, T3 made it worse. need to come fingd you so i can get your blood the loki too (in teh game LULZ!)
1Ekrid1	Posted - 2010.06.30 05:26:00 - [170] Edited by: 1Ekrid1 on 30/06/2010 05:28:03 stats on a basic tengu **** fit: 507 DPS 1715 volley 1523 m/s 67 passive tank 18900 shield 3250 armor 1329 hull Effective HP: 57,498 Resists: 46.9/80/70/50 CPU 593 Power 1653 Heavy Neutron Blaster II: Dread Gurista antimatter. Heavy Neutron Blaster II: Dread Gurista antimatter. Heavy Neutron Blaster II: Dread Gurista antimatter. Heavy Neutron Blaster II: Dread Gurista antimatter. Heavy Neutron Blaster II: Dread Gurista antimatter. Heavy Neutron Blaster II: Dread Gurista antimatter. Medium Shield Extender II Medium Shield Extender II Medium Shield Extender II Magnetic Scattering II 10MN Digital Booster Rockets Medium Capacitor Booster: charge 100 Magnetic Field Stab II Nanofiber II Nanofiber II Reactor Control Unit II Medium Hybrid Collision accelerator Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Cap stable at 59%. This isnt even a good fit because I whipped this up in seconds. Look at the BS sized EHP, look at the HAC sized resists, look at the faction cruiser sized DPS, Look at the speed. Thats not strategic, thats better in every single way. Nothing strategic about that. strategic mplies taking some advantages with some disadvantages. where's the disadvantage? Imagine if someone put huge resists in there with some better cap fitting. Eat your words akita There's 1, repeat 1, frigate in the T1 lineup designed to be a suicide tackler. the rest are for COMBAT. so don't tell me to tackle when I'm in a combat T1 frig. OR tell CCP to fix their mess.

Hecatonis Amarr	Posted - 2010.06.30 05:26:00 - [171] Edited by: Hecatonis on 30/06/2010 05:32:25 Originally by: 1Ekrid1 what a bunch of noobs. you clearly havent fought a T3 ship ever or you'd know. when I can get to the logfile that shows the fight I'll show it, but for now all there is is you people opening your dumb little mouths without having the experience, or youre just trying to protect the fact that its a 600 mil CRUISER. I'm going to laugh my ass off when I post my log and shut you fools up for good i will hold you to that. and fear not, i am very good at forum stalking, just ask nooma. and i have faced a t3 before, but i am smart and ran. see i know a fight i cannot win, and if i lost my ship to one i wouldnt come to the forum to whine about it. edit: @ your fit well it doesnt do the damage or speed you need, its resists suck. that is a lot of fail on your part __________________________________________________ stop acting like tw*ts and use your brain
Spades Slick	Posted - 2010.06.30 05:27:00 - [172] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 blah blah blah Killmail, please.
Lucious Desire	Posted - 2010.06.30 05:33:00 - [173] Edited by: Lucious Desire on 30/06/2010 05:34:15 Originally by: 1Ekrid1 Edited by: 1Ekrid1 on 30/06/2010 05:28:03 stats on a basic tengu **** fit: 507 DPS 1715 volley 1523 m/s 67 passive tank 18900 shield 3250 armor 1329 hull Effective HP: 57,498 Resists: 46.9/80/70/50 CPU 593 Power 1653 Heavy Neutron Blaster II: Dread Gurista antimatter. Heavy Neutron Blaster II: Dread Gurista antimatter. Heavy Neutron Blaster II: Dread Gurista antimatter. Heavy Neutron Blaster II: Dread Gurista antimatter. Heavy Neutron Blaster II: Dread Gurista antimatter. Heavy Neutron Blaster II: Dread Gurista antimatter. Medium Shield Extender II Medium Shield Extender II Medium Shield Extender II Magnetic Scattering II 10MN Digital Booster Rockets Medium Capacitor Booster: charge 100 Magnetic Field Stab II Nanofiber II Nanofiber II Reactor Control Unit II Medium Hybrid Collision accelerator Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Cap stable at 59%. This isnt even a good fit because I whipped this up in seconds. Look at the BS sized EHP, look at the HAC sized resists, look at the faction cruiser sized DPS, Look at the speed. Thats not strategic, thats better in every single way. Nothing strategic about that. strategic mplies taking some advantages with some disadvantages. where's the disadvantage? Imagine if someone put huge resists in there with some better cap fitting. Eat your words akita worst tengu fit ever, how does it catch stuff? and if that killed you you fail even more
Shade Millith Caldari Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.06.30 05:36:00 - [174] Actually, I'm no longer sure if he is a troll, or he only became one recently. Did a little checking from http://www.eve-search.com/thread/1327624/page/1#1 One of his old whine posts And linked that to a character called Khorvek, to a loss of a inquisitor to the Harb pilot. Basicly, the only character I can place to him, has never been on a kill, and has fits worse than his posting. ------------------------
Saphss	Posted - 2010.06.30 05:43:00 - [175] Seriously how the hell do you get 3 shot by a Strat Cruiser. Untanked DPS ships can take more damage than that. And if your skills are that low and your flying that crappy of a ship WHY ARE YOU FIGHTING A T3. This Fourm is just like *****ing that a T1 Frig cant kill a Supercarrier. Or that a DD weapon will one shot most non Cap Ships.
Lucious Desire	Posted - 2010.06.30 05:46:00 - [176] Originally by: Shade Millith Edited by: Shade Millith on 30/06/2010 05:38:15 Actually, I'm no longer sure if he is a troll, or he only became one recently. Did a little checking from one of his old whine posts And linked that to a character called Khorvek, to a loss of a inquisitor to the Harb pilot. Basicly, the only character I can place to him, has never been on a kill, and has fits worse than his posting. Edit: and that tengu fit seems to fit right with the other losses of that character woed> also im no pvp hotshot but crickey them fits be shocking
Saphss	Posted - 2010.06.30 05:49:00 - [177] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 what a bunch of noobs. you clearly havent fought a T3 ship ever or you'd know. when I can get to the logfile that shows the fight I'll show it, but for now all there is is you people opening your dumb little mouths without having the experience, or youre just trying to protect the fact that its a 600 mil CRUISER. If its going to be so damn expensive, it has to be worth it in cost. that alone says its going to be ridiculously overpowered as a cruiser hull, to make up that difference. Next you'll be saying a dramiel should also get HAC HP and resists but also cost 100 mil more. cause thats "fair and balanced". I'm going to laugh my ass off when I post my log and shut you fools up for good, additional lulz will be had when CCP posts the Kill/loss ratio of all ships, and T3 cruisers have a 40-60:1 ratio. the minus one being absolutely ****ed people. Did none of you read on Evony how people spend 1000's of real live money for a game thats broken and worthless, and how why would people NOT do that here for T3 cruisers via GTC->PLEX? Because losing that much money means nothing to them, they're going to do it and keep coming back. Eve immediately became unfair when you could GTC->PLEX legally, T3 made it worse. I fought a tengu with a strong tank. It never even broke my tank I got its sheilds down in 2mins with out over heating. Using a Tank Abby. Their not that hard to kill. Their a *** to Buy and they need a proper skill set up to be even decent.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.06.30 05:50:00 - [178] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 stats on a basic tengu ** fit: 507 DPS ; 1715 volley ; 1523 m/s ; 67 passive tank 18900 shield 3250 armor 1329 hull ; Effective HP: 57,498 ; Cap stable at 59%. [...] Look at the BS sized EHP, look at the HAC sized resists, look at the faction cruiser sized DPS, Look at the speed. Thats not strategic, thats better in every single way. Nothing strategic about that. strategic mplies taking some advantages with some disadvantages. where's the disadvantage? You mean BattleCRUISER level EHP, regular cruiser DPS, slightly above HAC level speed. Yes, it's somewhat better. Much better ? NO. Not in that fit anyway. You CAN make much better fits in any individual field indeed, but then again, the price goes up, and other kinds of stats go down. Also, sure, cap-stable... UNLESS you get neuted. Then you're kind of a goner. And so on and so forth. Quote:** Imagine if someone put huge resists in there with some better cap fitting. Eat your words akita Imagine encountering a tackler, a Blackbird fit for jamming, a Thorax fit for damage and some other cruiser fit for neuting. You die. Horribly. If you're in one of the megabuffered fits, you MIGHT last long enough to call for friends, but that's about it. Let's re-re-re-re-repeat what almost everybody kept saying so far : * yes, T3 cruisers CAN be better in any particular field with the proper subsystem combo - but not all at the same time * yes, T3 cruisers can be a bit better in every single field overall than other SUB-BATTLESHIP ship classes, but they cost a whole lot more * a solo T3 ship can and WILL be destroyed by a handful of much, much cheaper ships Does that make T3s overpowered ? Yes, SLIGHTLY. What's the cost ? A lot of extra ISK and SP loss when destroyed. Does that make them game-breaking ? HELL NO. _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
1Ekrid1	Posted - 2010.06.30 06:14:00 - [179] [ 2010.06.29 01:40:48 ] (combat) 425mm Autocannon II belonging to TaliZ88 hits you, causing 1028 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:51 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser I hits TaliZ88 [MVC]<MMHI>(Legion), doing 51.9 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:51 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser I hits TaliZ88 [MVC]<MMHI>(Legion), doing 57.8 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:53 ] (combat) 425mm Autocannon II belonging to TaliZ88 hits you, causing 1047 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:52 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser I is well aimed at TaliZ88 [MVC]<MMHI>(Legion), inflicting 92.1 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:52 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser I hits TaliZ88 [MVC]<MMHI>(Legion), doing 66.2 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:53 ] (combat) 425mm Autocannon II belonging to TaliZ88 hits you, causing 1008 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:54 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser I hits TaliZ88 [MVC]<MMHI>(Legion), doing 30.7 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:54 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser I hits TaliZ88 [MVC]<MMHI>(Legion), doing 45.6 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:54 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser I is well aimed at TaliZ88 [MVC]<MMHI>(Legion), inflicting 79.2 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:55 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser I hits TaliZ88 [MVC]<MMHI>(Legion), doing 49.3 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:57 ] (combat) 425mm Autocannon II belonging to TaliZ88 hits you, causing 838 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:58 ] (combat) Ogre II belonging to TaliZ88 misses you completely. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:58 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Ogre II belonging to TaliZ88 heavily hits you, inflicting 120.2 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:59 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Ogre II belonging to TaliZ88 hits you, doing 119.3 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:59 ] (combat) Ogre II belonging to TaliZ88 misses you completely. [ 2010.06.29 01:41:00 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Ogre II belonging to TaliZ88 heavily hits you, inflicting 140.5 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:53 ] (combat) 425mm Autocannon II belonging to TaliZ88 hits you, causing 853 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:41:01 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser I I places an excellent hit on TaliZ88 [MVC]<MMHI>(Legion), inflicting 107.7 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:41:01 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser I hits TaliZ88 [MVC]<MMHI>(Legion), doing 55.2 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:41:01 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser I is well aimed at TaliZ88 [MVC]<MMHI>(Legion), inflicting 95.1 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:41:02 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser I hits TaliZ88 [MVC]<MMHI>(Legion), doing 43.3 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:41:02 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser I hits TaliZ88 [MVC]<MMHI>(Legion), doing 35.6 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:42:03 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>425mm Autocannon II belonging to TaliZ88 hits you, causing 822 damage. here, I went back specially for all you ******s just to get this. There's 1, repeat 1, frigate in the T1 lineup designed to be a suicide tackler. the rest are for COMBAT. so don't tell me to tackle when I'm in a combat T1 frig. OR tell CCP to fix their mess.
Saphss	Posted - 2010.06.30 06:18:00 - [180] Edited by: Saphss on 30/06/2010 06:21:19 Looks a bit longer than 3 seconds So By the looks of it your flying a Battle Cruiser, with Mostly t1 items next to no resists, prob not even a damage control. Against a Legion with T2 fits. Sorry to say but Any decent person flying Anything BC up could do the same to you so its not T3 thats rigged its you thats Terrabad

Talaan Stardrifter Universal Exports	Posted - 2010.06.30 06:19:00 - [181] I'm seeing only 400dps (approx)
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.06.30 06:19:00 - [182] Edited by: Tippia on 30/06/2010 06:20:05 nvm, now that logs are posted ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
BeanBagKing Ch3mic4l Warfare STR8NGE BREW	Posted - 2010.06.30 06:21:00 - [183] Originally by: Saphss Looks a bit longer than 3 seconds Yea, looks more along the lines of 2 minutes to me, and is it even complete? I'm looking up the killmails for that pilot and I'm not seeing too many solo kills, which I assumed it was judging by the T3 rant.
Talaan Stardrifter Universal Exports	Posted - 2010.06.30 06:27:00 - [184] It's incomplete. The log doesnt show ship exploding
Saphss	Posted - 2010.06.30 06:27:00 - [185] Is there even a repper on his ship?
Spades Slick	Posted - 2010.06.30 06:30:00 - [186] Originally by: Talaan Stardrifter It's incomplete. The log doesnt show ship exploding
Felix Esperium Lysergic Distortions Research and Development	Posted - 2010.06.30 06:32:00 - [187] apparently TaliZ88 didn't think enough of this kill to post it on his corp kb
1Ekrid1	Posted - 2010.06.30 06:33:00 - [188] OMG thats the whole Fing point. My lows were filled with EANMS and a rep There's 1, repeat 1, frigate in the T1 lineup designed to be a suicide tackler. the rest are for COMBAT. so don't tell me to tackle when I'm in a combat T1 frig. OR tell CCP to fix their mess.
Saphss	Posted - 2010.06.30 06:36:00 - [189] Your resistances couldent of been more than 70% You have no idea how to fit a ship. You have what 7 low spots? so 1 repper and 6 Energised T1's Not only do they lose efficiency when you stack them but eventually they work in reverse..
Shade Millith Caldari Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.06.30 06:39:00 - [190] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 [ 2010.06.29 01:40:48 ] (combat) 425mm Autocannon II belonging to TaliZ88 hits you, causing 1028 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:51 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser I hits TaliZ88 [MVC]<MMHI>(Legion), doing 51.9 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:51 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser I hits TaliZ88 [MVC]<MMHI>(Legion), doing 57.8 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:53 ] (combat) 425mm Autocannon II belonging to TaliZ88 hits you, causing 1047 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:52 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser I is well aimed at TaliZ88 [MVC]<MMHI>(Legion), inflicting 92.1 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:52 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser I hits TaliZ88 [MVC]<MMHI>(Legion), doing 66.2 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:53 ] (combat) 425mm Autocannon II belonging to TaliZ88 hits you, causing 1008 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:54 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser I hits TaliZ88 [MVC]<MMHI>(Legion), doing 30.7 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:54 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser I hits TaliZ88 [MVC]<MMHI>(Legion), doing 45.6 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:54 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser I is well aimed at TaliZ88 [MVC]<MMHI>(Legion), inflicting 79.2 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:55 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser I hits TaliZ88 [MVC]<MMHI>(Legion), doing 49.3 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:57 ] (combat) 425mm Autocannon II belonging to TaliZ88 hits you, causing 838 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:58 ] (combat) Ogre II belonging to TaliZ88 misses you completely. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:58 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Ogre II belonging to TaliZ88 heavily hits you, inflicting 120.2 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:59 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Ogre II belonging to TaliZ88 hits you, doing 119.3 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:59 ] (combat) Ogre II belonging to TaliZ88 misses you completely. [ 2010.06.29 01:41:00 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Ogre II belonging to TaliZ88 heavily hits you, inflicting 140.5 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:53 ] (combat) 425mm Autocannon II belonging to TaliZ88 hits you, causing 853 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:41:01 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser I I places an excellent hit on TaliZ88 [MVC]<MMHI>(Legion), inflicting 107.7 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:41:01 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser I hits TaliZ88 [MVC]<MMHI>(Legion), doing 55.2 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:41:01 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser I is well aimed at TaliZ88 [MVC]<MMHI>(Legion), inflicting 95.1 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:41:02 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser I hits TaliZ88 [MVC]<MMHI>(Legion), doing 43.3 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:41:02 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser I hits TaliZ88 [MVC]<MMHI>(Legion), doing 35.6 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:42:03 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>425mm Autocannon II belonging to TaliZ88 hits you, causing 822 damage. here, I went back specially for all you ******s just to get this. Interesting, I cannot find a KM for TaliZ88 for the 29th of the 6th. Either from an API fed KB or battleclinic. He has 2 on the 30th, and 3 on the 27th, one being a pod It also appears that the legion in question is firing 425mm AC II's and has 5 Ogre II's. Being a legion it can only have a max of 50 mb bandwith for drones with the right subsystem And with the 50 mb for drones, it doesn't have enough turret slots to allow a group of 425 AC's to get that kind of alpha, and with "causing 1028 damage." being raw HP damage, after resists are taken into account, would mean that 4, unbonused 425mm AC's would have to get higher than a possible 1200 alpha. Something doesn't add up. Someone correct me if I'm reading the situation wrong ------------------------

Felix Esperium Lysergic Distortions Research and Development	Posted - 2010.06.30 06:40:00 - [191] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 TaliZ88 [MVC]<MMHI> Shouldn't this actually be TaliZ88 [M.V]<RAWR> ?
Saphss	Posted - 2010.06.30 06:41:00 - [192] I thought the drones looked off my self. And why would a legion use non energy guns.... Even with the drone subsystem it gets bonus to Energy weps
BeanBagKing Ch3mic4l Warfare STR8NGE BREW	Posted - 2010.06.30 06:44:00 - [193] Pretty much nothing in that combat log adds up. It's either faked, and badly, or I want to see an API verified killmail to go with it at this point. Bad troll is good so I'll continue feeding it because it's an amusing pet at this point. I look forward to another 3 pages of trying to get him to produce a killmail to go with those logs when I wake up tomorrow.
Zions Child Caldari Carthage Industries	Posted - 2010.06.30 06:49:00 - [194] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 [ 2010.06.29 01:40:48 ] (combat) 425mm Autocannon II belonging to TaliZ88 hits you, causing 1028 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:51 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser I hits TaliZ88 [MVC]<MMHI>(Legion), doing 51.9 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:51 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser I hits TaliZ88 [MVC]<MMHI>(Legion), doing 57.8 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:53 ] (combat) 425mm Autocannon II belonging to TaliZ88 hits you, causing 1047 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:52 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser I is well aimed at TaliZ88 [MVC]<MMHI>(Legion), inflicting 92.1 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:52 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser I hits TaliZ88 [MVC]<MMHI>(Legion), doing 66.2 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:53 ] (combat) 425mm Autocannon II belonging to TaliZ88 hits you, causing 1008 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:54 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser I hits TaliZ88 [MVC]<MMHI>(Legion), doing 30.7 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:54 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser I hits TaliZ88 [MVC]<MMHI>(Legion), doing 45.6 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:54 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser I is well aimed at TaliZ88 [MVC]<MMHI>(Legion), inflicting 79.2 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:55 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser I hits TaliZ88 [MVC]<MMHI>(Legion), doing 49.3 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:57 ] (combat) 425mm Autocannon II belonging to TaliZ88 hits you, causing 838 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:58 ] (combat) Ogre II belonging to TaliZ88 misses you completely. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:58 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Ogre II belonging to TaliZ88 heavily hits you, inflicting 120.2 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:59 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Ogre II belonging to TaliZ88 hits you, doing 119.3 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:59 ] (combat) Ogre II belonging to TaliZ88 misses you completely. [ 2010.06.29 01:41:00 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Ogre II belonging to TaliZ88 heavily hits you, inflicting 140.5 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:53 ] (combat) 425mm Autocannon II belonging to TaliZ88 hits you, causing 853 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:41:01 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser I I places an excellent hit on TaliZ88 [MVC]<MMHI>(Legion), inflicting 107.7 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:41:01 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser I hits TaliZ88 [MVC]<MMHI>(Legion), doing 55.2 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:41:01 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser I is well aimed at TaliZ88 [MVC]<MMHI>(Legion), inflicting 95.1 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:41:02 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser I hits TaliZ88 [MVC]<MMHI>(Legion), doing 43.3 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:41:02 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser I hits TaliZ88 [MVC]<MMHI>(Legion), doing 35.6 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:42:03 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>425mm Autocannon II belonging to TaliZ88 hits you, causing 822 damage. here, I went back specially for all you ****s just to get this. I though combat logs were chronological? Also, Your numbers, sense they make not. Originally by:** CCP Shadow snip Castration successful. Shadow.
DarthBarf	Posted - 2010.06.30 06:49:00 - [195] Edited by: DarthBarf on 30/06/2010 06:51:06 1Ekrid1 go die in a ship! ... Oh wait... EDIT: Oh and stop fabricating evidence.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.06.30 06:49:00 - [196] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 [ 2010.06.29 01:40:48 ] (combat) 425mm Autocannon II belonging to TaliZ88 hits you, causing 1028 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:51 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser I hits TaliZ88 [MVC]<MMHI>(Legion), doing 51.9 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:51 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser I hits TaliZ88 [MVC]<MMHI>(Legion), doing 57.8 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:53 ] (combat) 425mm Autocannon II belonging to TaliZ88 hits you, causing 1047 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:52 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser I is well aimed at TaliZ88 [MVC]<MMHI>(Legion), inflicting 92.1 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:52 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser I hits TaliZ88 [MVC]<MMHI>(Legion), doing 66.2 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:53 ] (combat) 425mm Autocannon II belonging to TaliZ88 hits you, causing 1008 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:54 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser I hits TaliZ88 [MVC]<MMHI>(Legion), doing 30.7 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:54 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser I hits TaliZ88 [MVC]<MMHI>(Legion), doing 45.6 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:54 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser I is well aimed at TaliZ88 [MVC]<MMHI>(Legion), inflicting 79.2 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:55 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser I hits TaliZ88 [MVC]<MMHI>(Legion), doing 49.3 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:57 ] (combat) 425mm Autocannon II belonging to TaliZ88 hits you, causing 838 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:58 ] (combat) Ogre II belonging to TaliZ88 misses you completely. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:58 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Ogre II belonging to TaliZ88 heavily hits you, inflicting 120.2 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:59 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Ogre II belonging to TaliZ88 hits you, doing 119.3 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:59 ] (combat) Ogre II belonging to TaliZ88 misses you completely. [ 2010.06.29 01:41:00 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Ogre II belonging to TaliZ88 heavily hits you, inflicting 140.5 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:53 ] (combat) 425mm Autocannon II belonging to TaliZ88 hits you, causing 853 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:41:01 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser I I places an excellent hit on TaliZ88 [MVC]<MMHI>(Legion), inflicting 107.7 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:41:01 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser I hits TaliZ88 [MVC]<MMHI>(Legion), doing 55.2 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:41:01 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser I is well aimed at TaliZ88 [MVC]<MMHI>(Legion), inflicting 95.1 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:41:02 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser I hits TaliZ88 [MVC]<MMHI>(Legion), doing 43.3 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:41:02 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser I hits TaliZ88 [MVC]<MMHI>(Legion), doing 35.6 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:42:03 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>425mm Autocannon II belonging to TaliZ88 hits you, causing 822 damage. here, I went back specially for all you ******s just to get this. Oh, my, what a NICELY EDITED COMBAT LOG, since it's either missing a full minute (from 01:41:02 to 01:42:03) or it's been edited by you heavily and as such completely unreliable. Or, maybe your PC actually LAGGED for a full minute after getting destroyed ? Hey, nice touch on that order editing, by the way... I didn't know that after 01:41:00 the next timestamp was supposed to be 01:40:53 followed by 01:41:01. Hey, let's give you the benefit of doubt and say it was a lag thing. I mean, it happens. So... it wasn't 3 nor 4 seconds, it was either 1 minute and 15 seconds, or just 15 seconds total. Hmmm. You took 5976 effective HP damage, or, let's say, for the sake of argument, 14k pre-resists raw damage, and Ogres didn't really hit much. Let's also say for the sake of argument that that last timestamp was actually 01:41:03, so ~14k raw damage in 15 seconds. From an AUTOCANNON LEGION ? I call that either fake or buggy as hell. _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Pookie McPook	Posted - 2010.06.30 06:50:00 - [197] LOL at the badass OP with the gamertag name snivelling over game balance. LOLTears run sweetly down my face in profusion. (Seriously HTFU) -----
Saphss	Posted - 2010.06.30 06:54:00 - [198] Omg this is to funny. He fails both at the game and at trolling
1Ekrid1	Posted - 2010.06.30 06:54:00 - [199] No ****, I know the stacking penalty, when I get to 3 EANMs I put a thermic in the last two for that very reason. Didnt seem to help much did it? his huge damage through high resists. There's 1, repeat 1, frigate in the T1 lineup designed to be a suicide tackler. the rest are for COMBAT. so don't tell me to tackle when I'm in a combat T1 frig. OR tell CCP to fix their mess.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.06.30 07:00:00 - [200] EVE-Gate eve-mail... Subject : Could you please assist us in settling a dispute involving you ? 2010.06.30 06:58 From: Akita T To: TaliZ88 [...truncated content, link to here, some brief explanation...] If you would be so kind to uncover your own combat logs from about that time and set things right on the forums ? Thank you in advance [...] _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _

Lucious Desire	Posted - 2010.06.30 07:00:00 - [201] Edited by: Lucious Desire on 30/06/2010 07:02:54 Edited by: Lucious Desire on 30/06/2010 07:01:32 Originally by: 1Ekrid1 No **, I know the stacking penalty, when I get to 3 EANMs I put a thermic in the last two for that very reason. Didnt seem to help much did it? his huge damage through high resists. also pick a better pilot to lie about he doesnt fly a single ship that fits 425 autos, or fit them at all according to his KB. Originally by:** Akita T EVE-Gate eve-mail... Subject : Could you please assist us in settling a dispute involving you ? 2010.06.30 06:58 From: Akita T To: TaliZ88 [...truncated content, link to here, some brief explanation...] If you would be so kind to uncover your own combat logs from about that time and set things right on the forums ? Thank you in advance [...] <3
Saphss	Posted - 2010.06.30 07:03:00 - [202] So can i ask whats the point to lie about all of this? You got killed by a T3 wanted to ***** then realized it was because you sucked that you died so you tried to cover it up or were you just looking for attention?
Pookie McPook	Posted - 2010.06.30 07:05:00 - [203] Besides, no-one said EVE was ever intended to be fair. Anyone entering into an apparently even fight voluntarily is a fool, and a fool who is about to be piloting a pod too. -----
Veneric	Posted - 2010.06.30 07:07:00 - [204] This has got to be a troll by now, but I guess those are the ones I love the best. No warp scramble notifications, no ship explosion. Log is missing both the beginning and end of the fight; so its at least 90 secs long not 3 secs. Also do any t3 have bandwidth for 5 ogre 2s? Despite the probably fake log and repeated stupidity hear are some numbers regarding your t3 are OP claims based on nearly identical fits across the Vexor, Ishtar, and Proteus w/drones (ie t1-t2-t3). Vexor to Ishtar / Ishtar to Proteus EHP - +56% / +116% DPS - +30% / +5% MWD Spd - +13% / -20% Sig Rad - +3% / +8% Scan Res - +7% / +8% Price - +297% / +247% So I guess t3 is not an overpowered incremental step up from t2 after all.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.06.30 07:12:00 - [205] Edited by: Tippia on 30/06/2010 07:13:47 Cleaned out the garbage: Quote: [ 2010.06.29 01:40:48 ] (combat) 425mm Autocannon II belonging to TaliZ88 hits you, causing 1028 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:53 ] (combat) 425mm Autocannon II belonging to TaliZ88 hits you, causing 1047 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:53 ] (combat) 425mm Autocannon II belonging to TaliZ88 hits you, causing 1008 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:57 ] (combat) 425mm Autocannon II belonging to TaliZ88 hits you, causing 838 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:58 ] (combat) Ogre II belonging to TaliZ88 misses you completely. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:58 ] (combat) Ogre II belonging to TaliZ88 heavily hits you, inflicting 120.2 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:59 ] (combat) Ogre II belonging to TaliZ88 hits you, doing 119.3 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:59 ] (combat) Ogre II belonging to TaliZ88 misses you completely. [ 2010.06.29 01:41:00 ] (combat) Ogre II belonging to TaliZ88 heavily hits you, inflicting 140.5 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:53 ] (combat) 425mm Autocannon II belonging to TaliZ88 hits you, causing 853 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:42:03 ] (combat) 425mm Autocannon II belonging to TaliZ88 hits you, causing 822 damage. Ok, first things firstà Like everyone else, I can only LMAO at the AC Legion. Doubly so for AC Legion with 5+ Ogre IIsà Second things second. Let's go with this obvious notepad job and see how powerful your fantasy T3 is. Being autocannons, what are the chances that he was firing something that did explosive damage. You still haven't really said what you were flying, but chances are it has an explosives hole. So your claim of "12k EHP" goes right out the window, but let's go with that cute little lie along with the rest of them. Total resisted damage in the end: 5976. Average resists, 50%. It's also very nice of you to cut off the log so that your previous claims can't be checked. The fight didn't actually start where this log starts, now did it? Anyway, it starts at 0:48, ends at 2:03 (with a conspicious minute of non-action inbetween) ù that's 75 seconds to deliver those 5976 resisted damage for a DPS of 79.68. Using your agerage resists, this means a total of 160 dps delivered to you across that fight. Ohhh baby! That's powerful! But let's assume that lost minute entails you being blown up (even though it doesn't show), being a twit in local (àna, too easy) and then being podded, so the last entry is actually your pod being damage. This means 5154 damage over 15 seconds, or 343 dps ù 687 dps before resists. For the record, even without faking your logs, you can get that kind of damage output from T2 cruiser (or, if you really go overboard, with a couple of T1s as well). àoh and I can't help noticing how it was six volleys, not three. And how it was 15û75 seconds, not 3. I'm willing to bet that it travelled at 1.5kû2km/s rather than 4û5km/s as well. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Saphss	Posted - 2010.06.30 07:15:00 - [206] Originally by: Tippia Edited by: Tippia on 30/06/2010 07:13:47 Cleaned out the garbage: Quote: [ 2010.06.29 01:40:48 ] (combat) 425mm Autocannon II belonging to TaliZ88 hits you, causing 1028 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:53 ] (combat) 425mm Autocannon II belonging to TaliZ88 hits you, causing 1047 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:53 ] (combat) 425mm Autocannon II belonging to TaliZ88 hits you, causing 1008 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:57 ] (combat) 425mm Autocannon II belonging to TaliZ88 hits you, causing 838 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:58 ] (combat) Ogre II belonging to TaliZ88 misses you completely. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:58 ] (combat) Ogre II belonging to TaliZ88 heavily hits you, inflicting 120.2 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:59 ] (combat) Ogre II belonging to TaliZ88 hits you, doing 119.3 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:59 ] (combat) Ogre II belonging to TaliZ88 misses you completely. [ 2010.06.29 01:41:00 ] (combat) Ogre II belonging to TaliZ88 heavily hits you, inflicting 140.5 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:40:53 ] (combat) 425mm Autocannon II belonging to TaliZ88 hits you, causing 853 damage. [ 2010.06.29 01:42:03 ] (combat) 425mm Autocannon II belonging to TaliZ88 hits you, causing 822 damage. Ok, first things firstà Like everyone else, I can only LMAO at the AC Legion. Doubly so for AC Legion with 5+ Ogre IIsà Second things second. Let's go with this obvious notepad job and see how powerful your fantasy T3 is. Being autocannons, what are the chances that he was firing something that did explosive damage. You still haven't really said what you were flying, but chances are it has an explosives hole. So your claim of "12k EHP" goes right out the window, but let's go with that cute little lie along with the rest of them. Total resisted damage in the end: 5976. Average resists, 50%. It's also very nice of you to cut off the log so that your previous claims can't be checked. The fight didn't actually start where this log starts, now did it? Anyway, it starts at 0:48, ends at 2:03 (with a conspicious minute of non-action inbetween) ù that's 75 seconds to deliver those 5976 resisted damage for a DPS of 79.68. Using your agerage resists, this means a total of 160 dps delivered to you across that fight. Ohhh baby! That's powerful! But let's assume that lost minute entails you being blown up (even though it doesn't show), being a twit in local (àna, too easy) and then being podded, so the last entry is actually your pod being damage. This means 5154 damage over 15 seconds, or 343 dps ù 687 dps before resists. For the record, even without faking your logs, you can get that kind of damage output from T2 cruiser (or, if you really go overboard, with a couple of T1s as well). àoh and I can't help noticing how it was six volleys, not three. And how it was 15û75 seconds, not 3. I'm willing to bet that it travelled at 1.5kû2km/s rather than 4û5km/s as well. I love you :P
Talaan Stardrifter Universal Exports	Posted - 2010.06.30 07:21:00 - [207] Edited by: Talaan Stardrifter on 30/06/2010 07:22:14 nm, fail at math.
Lucious Desire	Posted - 2010.06.30 07:23:00 - [208] nice work Saphss but what ships were used? that another good question we think he was in a maller, but what was the attacker flying?
Veneric	Posted - 2010.06.30 07:30:00 - [209] Originally by: Lucious Desire nice work Saphss but what ships were used? that another good question we think he was in a maller, but what was the attacker flying? No way to know...the doctored logs...they show nothing!
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.06.30 07:31:00 - [210] Edited by: Tippia on 30/06/2010 07:32:32 Originally by: Talaan Stardrifter nm, fail at math. No, you had a good point in an oblique way: yes, assuming he actually didn't invent that 12k EHP figure and that he did account for the right damage type (unlikely, since he talks about it being omnitanked)à we end up with an average of 50% resisted across the board. This contradicts his new claim of "high resists". If he actually had "high" resists (and if I remember the Maller discussed earlier correctly, it will happily give you 55% explosive as its lowest resist on skills alone, so god knows what he's done to the poor thing ), he would have had a hell of a lot more EHP than 12k. Either way, this shows that his quoted resists and EHP numbers are complete fantasies along with everything else. Originally by: Lucious Desire we think he was in a maller, but what was the attacker flying? A magical Legion with one hell of an Autocannon bonus and 125Mb drone bandwidth. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki

Saphss	Posted - 2010.06.30 07:34:00 - [211] Originally by: Tippia A magical Legion with one hell of an Autocannon bonus and 125Mb drone bandwidth. Ill take 4 and can i get a Frigate with Fighter Bombers and a Jump Drive?
Takashi Halamoto No Limit Productions Looney Toons.	Posted - 2010.06.30 08:17:00 - [212] Acting on behalf of Mr TaliZ88 my client would like to respond to the vile slander here that implies it would take him more than 30 seconds to kill such a horribly fit ship but yeah lovely fake data, Ogre2's and Ac's on a legion, i wish (really i do) now i was going to make a comment about how the word cruiser or the fact its cruiser sized does not make it equal to all cruisers and shouldnt but you wont listen to thoughtout arguments you just yell IM RIGHTZ! LOOK AT ME! and we are and we are laughing at you because funny enough we know what we are talking about you just rant and lie, the first is laughable, the second contemptible Me? im just sitting here,
JC Anderson Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2010.06.30 08:19:00 - [213] I'm just going to assume the op was flying a shuttle.
Mari Seles	Posted - 2010.06.30 08:25:00 - [214] Geez you go to bed and all the cool action happens... too funny really.
Balsak Minmatar Friends of Bigfoot	Posted - 2010.06.30 11:49:00 - [215] Originally by: Mari Seles Geez you go to bed and all the cool action happens... too funny really. It's like christmas
Ava Starfire Minmatar Nordanverdr Modr	Posted - 2010.06.30 12:26:00 - [216] updated tl;dr OP nerdrages about a T3 owning his poorly T1 fit...something (industrial?) Is called on his horribly edited combat log, facing a legion equipped with ACs and 5 Ogre IIs (Ill take 10, please) Good times were had by all. Space is fun!
Aldarica Spinal Discipline	Posted - 2010.06.30 12:48:00 - [217] Edited by: Aldarica on 30/06/2010 12:52:02 Is this the one? http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=4896441 edit: ah, probably not, sorry... there's some Maller killed and TaliZ88 is involved but that's not the situation as OP described.
Saelie	Posted - 2010.06.30 12:54:00 - [218] Also, that Maller had a decent bait-Maller fit.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.06.30 13:37:00 - [219] Originally by: Ava Starfire updated tl;dr OP nerdrages about a T3 owning his poorly T1 fit...something (industrial?) Is called on his horribly edited combat log, facing a legion equipped with ACs and 5 Ogre IIs (Ill take 10, please) Good times were had by all. I'm just amazed that he fell into the exact same trap twice. At least the last time, his log was plausible (and showed that he was wrong), so when he now tries to come across as not knowing how to post said logs and then doctoring them up to this degree, it really feels like a let-downà Many troll points deducted for that one. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Roosterton	Posted - 2010.06.30 14:02:00 - [220] Edited by: Roosterton on 30/06/2010 14:02:34 I haven't bothered to read all 8 pages of troll-feeding and counter-troll feeding, so I don't know if I'm the first to bring this up... But a T3 ship costs 500mil+ when fully fitted. They aren't insurable. That's around the same price as a BlackOps battleship, and some of the cheaper Tier 1 faction battleships. WHY THE **** SHOULD THEY NOT WIPE THE FLOOR WITH T1 CRUISERS, which cost just over 20mil when you have them rigged and fully insurable? You said they're 25x better than T1 ships? How about you consider the fact that they're 25x the cost, too? 5x better than a T2 cruiser? It's 5x the cost. Funny how well it works out. I'd wager a good Curse or Rook pilot against a Proteus pilot any day, to be honest. That same Curse can also work well against a Loki, depending on how it's fit. A Rook might not be able to catch the Loki, but it can sure as hell scare one away. Sniper Loki with "10,000 DPS?" I solo'ed one on the test server in my Cynabal. Or what about the Laserlegion? Again, Curse, Rook... And so on. I didn't mention T1 ships, but those could work as well - a few arbitrators and two blackbirds could probably take down a blaster Proteus with little difficulty, And none of them will die. Seriously, get a clue. EDIT: Oh, and btw, a T3 can be trained to use well in about 40 days. If you have the cash, go for it, I hear those are good at killing T3s.

Hecatonis Amarr	Posted - 2010.06.30 14:17:00 - [221] i guess Ekrid is trying to promote his new drink line, Dr. Log with 32 flavours of fail. 10/10 it took a day, but the results of this thread are great. __________________________________________________ stop acting like tw*ts and use your brain
JC Anderson Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2010.06.30 14:32:00 - [222] Originally by: Aldarica Edited by: Aldarica on 30/06/2010 12:52:02 Is this the one? http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=4896441 edit: ah, probably not, sorry... there's some Maller killed and TaliZ88 is involved but that's not the situation as OP described. Did the Maller do it in 4 seconds flat as well? And was the OP unlucky enough to come upon a MAGICAL Maller using 10 t2 Ogres like that of the magical T3?
Xtreem Gallente DEATHFUNK Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.30 14:48:00 - [223] 1 black bird and 2 vex all fitted with t1 would pwn up a t3 cruiser with just a few t1 nuets and drones and some jamming support.
Shade Millith Caldari Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.06.30 15:14:00 - [224] Edited by: Shade Millith on 30/06/2010 15:15:08 Originally by: Roosterton Sniper Loki with "10,000 DPS?" I solo'ed one on the test server in my Cynabal. Or what about the Laserlegion? Again, Curse, Rook... I've solo killed 2 lokis in a drake on tranq, and something like a full neut myrm I'd wager would have a VERY decent shot 1v1 with a proteus/legion ------------------------
Roosterton	Posted - 2010.06.30 15:25:00 - [225] Originally by: Shade Millith Edited by: Shade Millith on 30/06/2010 15:15:08 Originally by: Roosterton Sniper Loki with "10,000 DPS?" I solo'ed one on the test server in my Cynabal. Or what about the Laserlegion? Again, Curse, Rook... I've solo killed 2 lokis in a drake on tranq, and something like a full neut myrm I'd wager would have a VERY decent shot 1v1 with a proteus/legion Exactly, just like with any other ship class, if you choose fights carefully, there's no reason why you shouldn't be able to kill T3s. The OP is too close-minded to see that, though.
Itak Kaarta B.O.O.M Obsidian Mining Coalition	Posted - 2010.06.30 15:43:00 - [226] I approve of this thread. Seriously - this is "tick, tock" levels of failure. We wander in and out of our heads, no turn unstoned, all words unsaid.
Danny Lonnegan Caldari Nex Somes Ubertas Venator Fidelas Constans	Posted - 2010.06.30 16:23:00 - [227] Originally by: Roosterton Edited by: Roosterton on 30/06/2010 14:02:34 I haven't bothered to read all 8 pages of troll-feeding and counter-troll feeding, so I don't know if I'm the first to bring this up... But a T3 ship costs 500mil+ when fully fitted. They aren't insurable. That's around the same price as a BlackOps battleship, and some of the cheaper Tier 1 faction battleships. WHY THE **** SHOULD THEY NOT WIPE THE FLOOR WITH T1 CRUISERS, which cost just over 20mil when you have them rigged and fully insurable? As near as I can tell, OP's argument is that cost-balancing is broken because rich people can buy plex cards with real money and buy whatever they want. Of course, this argument applies to every ship in the game that costs more than a T1 frigate, plus T2/faction/officer/deadspace mods and implants. Also, OP is terrible at EVE and refuses to accept that his 12,000 EHP Maller was laughably fail-fit and would have died to a Rifter.
Aurelius Valentius Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2010.06.30 16:56:00 - [228] Edited by: Aurelius Valentius on 30/06/2010 16:58:07 OP's argument is that cost-balancing is broken because rich people can buy plex cards with real money and buy whatever they want. This argument (OPs) is full of lame-sauce, and so is the OP. I am unemployed (eg-not rich at all) and I buy PLEX all the time with... dum dum dum... ISK... using a little known thing called dum dum dum DUM!!! - WORK, I work for ISK with: ISK making work - DAH DAH DAH DUM!!!!!!* Amazing how one can buy things IF one spends some time making ISK in game with WORK.
Helio Amor	Posted - 2010.06.30 17:16:00 - [229] More whiners then a maternity ward....HITS COMEDIC DRUMS bah bom....anyone....? Ok ill go back to day time job
Paul Castrin Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.06.30 17:24:00 - [230] Edited by: Paul Castrin on 30/06/2010 17:25:53 Originally by: 1Ekrid1 T3 ships. seriously. they can kill a T1 cruiser in 4 seconds flat, with drones and tech II weapons. Stopped reading here. Just about anything bigger than a cruiser (or higher than T1) can kill a T1 cruiser in x seconds. Cruisers suffer as the most underwhelming and unloved ship class in EVE and can be killed by AFs flown by low skilled monkeys (assuming you are inept as well). Your comparison/complaint is therefor rendered moot. Peace. p.s. and yes, I fly them and BCs more than anything cause I'm a glutton for punishment, so bleehh.

LQven	Posted - 2010.06.30 17:28:00 - [231] The only way CCP ruined this game is by letting the OP post/play. Another incredibly idiotic rant.
Lugalzagezi666	Posted - 2010.06.30 17:34:00 - [232] I have to admit op is pretty succesfull troll.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.06.30 17:44:00 - [233] Originally by: Lugalzagezi666 I have to admit op is pretty succesfull troll. Not particularly. A successful troll wouldn't have been suckered into posting logsà twice. A successful troll would actually have had a somewhat plausible story, and be able to stick with it without forgetting what he said a page earlier and thus accidentally contradicting himsel. A successful troll would have managed to bow out at page #2 or so and stirred up so much ire that it still reached 8 pages. A successful troll wouldn't have had his main posting char banned from the forums. A troll that gets banned is a failtroll by very definitionà ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Saelie	Posted - 2010.06.30 18:44:00 - [234] I think my best troll to date was back in the old pre-EVE days, on an Ultima Online discussion forum. I started a topic with a little three-paragraph thought and went to bed. Woke up, the thread was 15 pages long full of irate people attacking each other. I was quite proud of it, even though I wasn't trying to troll - I'd just touched a nerve. This troll provides decent amusement, especially the fake log.
Baneken Gallente Aseveljet	Posted - 2010.06.30 19:21:00 - [235] For the record MH tag is [RAWR] not MMH or something and logs don't always show your opponents 'tags' like when I lost my Ishkur against Dramiel and another Ishkur... Only Ishkur pilots 'tags' were in the log and that in the last line of the combat log. Not a bad fight though and my little Ishkur lasted far longer then I had figured it would. That kill mail was rather funny though my first thought was "how in the hell can those ogre II's miss if medium auto cannons score 1000's a shot". http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Danny Lonnegan Caldari Nex Somes Ubertas Venator Fidelas Constans	Posted - 2010.06.30 20:37:00 - [236] Originally by: Aurelius Valentius Edited by: Aurelius Valentius on 30/06/2010 16:58:07 OP's argument is that cost-balancing is broken because rich people can buy plex cards with real money and buy whatever they want. This argument (OPs) is full of lame-sauce, and so is the OP. I am unemployed (eg-not rich at all) and I buy PLEX all the time with... dum dum dum... ISK... using a little known thing called dum dum dum DUM!!! - WORK, I work for ISK with: ISK making work - DAH DAH DAH DUM!!!!!!* Amazing how one can buy things IF one spends some time making ISK in game with WORK. To be fair, there are guys who just break out the credit card every time they want something shiny. But that's a fact of life in every MMO. Unless CCP eliminates ISK and player-to-player trading entirely and only seeded ships in loyalty point stores, people with real-world money to spend on EVE have a theoretical advantage. Of course, if someone spends $50 US on a Legion and then gets it blown up, he's out $50 real world dollars. That's a lot more satisfying than just killing someone's pixel spaceship.
Ryan Darkwolf Amarr Sins Of Lost Souls Einherjar Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.30 20:54:00 - [237] TL;DR : You fail and thats all there is to it. Just a little info in case you are a little too dur dur dur for everyone else...you realize that the strategic cruisers are made from sleeper parts, which are incredibly higher teched than the current empires, meaning that the ships made from higher tech would make them...I dunno...stronger than tech 2 or tech 1... I mean they are concidered tech 3...that to me sounds like its supposed to be stronger. Just wait until they make tech 3 weapon systems that can fire doomsday weapon blasts ------------------- To bring equality to the world, if your character is female then you will now have a female corpse when podkilled.. What will CCP think of next?
Aerilis Gallente Percussive Diplomacy	Posted - 2010.06.30 20:55:00 - [238] I think statwise T3 ships are pretty much where they should be, the perceived "OP"-ness is, imo, due to their price and the fact that they are the best "small" ship. The result is that these ships are almost exclusively flown by capable PvP pilots with fat wallets backing them up. They have implants, they have faction mods, and they know what they're doing. And that's worth so much more than the slightly better stats of a T3 hull.
Lucious Desire	Posted - 2010.06.30 21:50:00 - [239] the thing i find with T3 i s there pimp in Wormholes other than that i have only used it for a few kills, im not rich enough to throw it at stuff yet
Joe Starbreaker M. Corp	Posted - 2010.06.30 22:42:00 - [240] Excellent troll! See how many more pages you can keep Akita and the others hanging on for the promise of a killmail! ... Join M. Corp, see the Galaxy

Aurelius Valentius Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2010.06.30 22:51:00 - [241] Edited by: Aurelius Valentius on 30/06/2010 22:52:15 To be fair, there are guys who just break out the credit card every time they want something shiny. But that's a fact of life in every MMO. Unless CCP eliminates ISK and player-to-player trading entirely and only seeded ships in loyalty point stores, people with real-world money to spend on EVE have a theoretical advantage. Of course, if someone spends $50 US on a Legion and then gets it blown up, he's out $50 real world dollars. That's a lot more satisfying than just killing someone's pixel spaceship. I do not mind this aspect of an MMO at all, infact I support such things, it make for a more interesting market, and also I need that function to play for PLEX, if people want to use it to pad the ISK wallet - fine, it means more things being bought and sold, but there is no way (ATM) to hurry skills or and even if there is one to come, no way to learn to play the game well fast... it's experienced players game, gizmos and stuff help, but it's still all about brains. P.S. KILL THIS THREAD, it's a loaded diaper needed to be pitched.
1Ekrid1	Posted - 2010.07.01 00:49:00 - [242] that just proves you guys are out of touch because you've been insulated from playing this game too long, where things dont get fixed. go out and try a real game that has some balance, you'll get smoked because you dont have you billions isk and CC > PLEX financial backing to help you out. you'll suddenly realize that games of balance require much smaller gains for each level up in order to give people a fighting chance to win no matter how poor, if they're superior in skill. There's 1, repeat 1, frigate in the T1 lineup designed to be a suicide tackler. the rest are for COMBAT. so don't tell me to tackle when I'm in a combat T1 frig. OR tell CCP to fix their mess.
Lucious Desire	Posted - 2010.07.01 00:53:00 - [243] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 i got killed by a T3, also i cant afford one. fixed yo post dawg, also kill mail please seeing as your log was a doctored load of balls.
Isil Rahsen Gallente Ferrum Superum	Posted - 2010.07.01 00:54:00 - [244] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 that just proves you guys are out of touch because you've been insulated from playing this game too long, where things dont get fixed. go out and try a real game that has some balance, you'll get smoked because you dont have you billions isk and CC > PLEX financial backing to help you out. you'll suddenly realize that games of balance require much smaller gains for each level up in order to give people a fighting chance to win no matter how poor, if they're superior in skill. Says the troll who fakes a combat log, and got butt hurt. Maybe you should learn to play the game instead of baaawing when you fail at it.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.07.01 01:00:00 - [245] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 you'll suddenly realize that games of balance require much smaller gains for each level up in order to give people a fighting chance to win no matter how poor, if they're superior in skill. And then you'll suddenly realize that you personally suck at it, and that it's exactly your lack of skill that really killed you, not the allegedly vastly superior opponent ship. _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Aurelius Valentius Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2010.07.01 01:49:00 - [246] I tried, I REALLY tried not to respond to THIS: Originally by: 1Ekrid1 that just proves you guys are out of touch because you've been insulated from playing this game too long, where things dont get fixed. go out and try a real game that has some balance, you'll get smoked because you dont have you billions isk and CC > PLEX financial backing to help you out. you'll suddenly realize that games of balance require much smaller gains for each level up in order to give people a fighting chance to win no matter how poor, if they're superior in skill. But... I have too: 1. I am far from "Insulated" 2. EVE has "Balance" 3. I neither have Billions of ISK, nor a CC - I mine, process and sell Ore/Minerals, 1-2M at a haul and earn my PLEX that way. 4. The above is the "small gains" you mention. 5. And superior skills - I have 15M so far and I do just fine in the game so far. So: Your FULL of STUFF-ING, and I will say that your statements are false, poorly argued and if that is how you feel then please leave EVE [and give me all your stuff], it clearly isn't the game for you. Try WoW or D3 - sounds like a better group with which to fit your "superior" trolling and ego to fit in with. Plants dynamite around the base of this thread so that it might be demolished and no more shall be heard of this non-sense
JC Anderson Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2010.07.01 02:04:00 - [247] Insulation keeps me warm in the winter. And a good majority of the people included myself wouldn't have responded in this way if it wasn't for that combat log. Your talking about things being fixed yet you posted evidence of your argument that couldn't possibly be real.
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2010.07.01 02:12:00 - [248] Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 01/07/2010 02:14:09 Originally by: Akita T EVE-Gate eve-mail... Subject : Could you please assist us in settling a dispute involving you ? 2010.06.30 06:58 From: Akita T To: TaliZ88 [...truncated content, link to here, some brief explanation...] If you would be so kind to uncover your own combat logs from about that time and set things right on the forums ? Thank you in advance [...] Hmmm. I get the feeling that this "TaliZ88" won't be responding. Call me tinfoilly, but I'm suspecting that this is probably his main. Best way to guarantee that the killmail shows only what he wants it to show without no one, not even his true attacker revealing what really happened. also edit, Also it would explain why it was never posted by TaliZ88, because he wasn't the one involved in this combat. Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!
Emperor Cheney Celebrity Sex Tape	Posted - 2010.07.01 02:20:00 - [249] Originally by: Aurelius Valentius I tried, I REALLY tried not to respond to THIS: Originally by: 1Ekrid1 that just proves you guys are out of touch because you've been insulated from playing this game too long, where things dont get fixed. go out and try a real game that has some balance, you'll get smoked because you dont have you billions isk and CC > PLEX financial backing to help you out. you'll suddenly realize that games of balance require much smaller gains for each level up in order to give people a fighting chance to win no matter how poor, if they're superior in skill. But... I have too: 1. I am far from "Insulated" Someone call a doctor! This man has no skin!
Rhinanna Minmatar Volition Cult The Volition Cult	Posted - 2010.07.01 02:45:00 - [250] Oh dear...... Yes a very well fitted and flown T3 will kill a very badly fitted and flown T1. It wasn't 4 seconds, the 2 mins time is more likely. He didn't get to your from 32km in 6 seconds, most likely you were wetting yourself for a least 30secs before even starting to align. T3 are only uncatchable in their cloaky fit which reduces their combat ability to that of a T1 cruiser. In a full combat fit they can be beaten by a well flown BC (Tech 1) or most T2 vessels if the pilot is better. I doubt any fight like this ever took place and the OP had to invent a log quickly. The fact the log is impossible as a Legion can NEVER do what he suggested more than hints towards that fact. Everything so far says the OP is a lier who doesn't even have the intelligence to come up with a decent or believable lie to support his really stupid argument. -The sword is only as sharp as the one who wields it. Drenzul (My normal internet tag)

DeMichael Crimson Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2010.07.01 03:20:00 - [251] I started reading this thread, got into the 2nd page and noticed that it was a total gang bang by a bunch of self centered self righteous (****CENSORED**) Trolls that need to (**CENSORED****) and die. The OP is correct in saying that this game is unbalanced. And it's getting worse with each new expansion and patch. Eventually this game will be like all the other dusty cult mmo's (DarkSpace) where there's only a small gathering of old, cranky, EPEENs looking to snub, ridicule and gank any and all new players, either in game or in the forum posts. Which of course makes the new players rage quit and causes the player base to shrink some more.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.07.01 03:24:00 - [252] Originally by: DeMichael Crimson Eventually this game will be like all the other dusty cult mmo's (DarkSpace) where there's only a small gathering of old, cranky, EPEENs looking to snub, ridicule and gank any and all new players, either in game or in the forum posts. Which of course makes the new players rage quit and causes the player base to shrink some more. Except that EVE's population has been almost steadily and almost linearly increasing ever since it was launched, with no hints of slowdown. _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Lucious Desire	Posted - 2010.07.01 03:40:00 - [253] Originally by: DeMichael Crimson I started reading this thread, got into the 2nd page and noticed that it was a total gang bang by a bunch of self centered self righteous (****CENSORED**) Trolls that need to (**CENSORED****) and die. The OP is correct in saying that this game is unbalanced. And it's getting worse with each new expansion and patch. Eventually this game will be like all the other dusty cult mmo's (DarkSpace) where there's only a small gathering of old, cranky, EPEENs looking to snub, ridicule and gank any and all new players, either in game or in the forum posts. Which of course makes the new players rage quit and causes the player base to shrink some more. op backs up claims with lies and fake evidence
Joe Skellington Minmatar JOKAS Industries Apocalypse Now.	Posted - 2010.07.01 03:44:00 - [254] LOL the OP can't be for real. hahahaha I actually spent time to read every page of this. Excellent Troll!
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.07.01 04:05:00 - [255] Edited by: Tippia on 01/07/2010 04:08:03 Originally by: DeMichael Crimson I started reading this thread, got into the 2nd page and noticed that it was a total gang bang by a bunch of self centered self righteous (****CENSORED**) Trolls that need to (**CENSORED**) and die. The troll here is the OP. It's not the trolls doing the gang-banging. Quote:** The OP is correct in saying that this game is unbalanced. The OP needs to prove this first. He can't because it's not true. In fact, nothing the OP has said in this thread is even remotely close to being true. What you call him being "gang-banged" is the rest of us calling him out on this tiny fact. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
JC Anderson Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2010.07.01 05:36:00 - [256] Edited by: JC Anderson on 01/07/2010 05:38:19 Originally by: DeMichael Crimson I started reading this thread, got into the 2nd page and noticed that it was a total gang bang by a bunch of self centered self righteous (****CENSORED**) Trolls that need to (**CENSORED****) and die Did you read further than the second page in order to view the fake/edited combat log that the OP posted as "proof" of his argument? I wouldn't even have bothered posting in this thread had I not read that first. !ON ANOTHER NOTE! Another thing to keep in mind is that there is more risk in flying a t3 than that of other ships. Regardless of having an up to date clone, you _still_ lose SP off your sub system skills if your sitting in the ship when it blows up. The only way to prevent it is to eject just before the explosion. Granted the SS skills are rank 1, but it's still a pain for somebody like myself who has trained all the subs to 5. Hey does anybody know what would happen if a T3 blows up while your sitting in it & you don't have your clone up to date? Would you lose sp off one of the SS skills as well as sp from another skill?
Lucious Desire	Posted - 2010.07.01 05:48:00 - [257] Edited by: Lucious Desire on 01/07/2010 05:49:21 Originally by: JC Anderson Edited by: JC Anderson on 01/07/2010 05:38:19 Originally by: DeMichael Crimson I started reading this thread, got into the 2nd page and noticed that it was a total gang bang by a bunch of self centered self righteous (****CENSORED**) Trolls that need to (**CENSORED****) and die Did you read further than the second page in order to view the fake/edited combat log that the OP posted as "proof" of his argument? I wouldn't even have bothered posting in this thread had I not read that first. !ON ANOTHER NOTE! Another thing to keep in mind is that there is more risk in flying a t3 than that of other ships. Regardless of having an up to date clone, you _still_ lose SP off your sub system skills if your sitting in the ship when it blows up. The only way to prevent it is to eject just before the explosion. Granted the SS skills are rank 1, but it's still a pain for somebody like myself who has trained all the subs to 5. Hey does anybody know what would happen if a T3 blows up while your sitting in it & you don't have your clone up to date? Would you lose sp off one of the SS skills as well as sp from another skill? t3 sp loss on ship gettin popped, then another hit when podded
1Ekrid1	Posted - 2010.07.01 05:58:00 - [258] Edited by: 1Ekrid1 on 01/07/2010 06:03:46 Edited by: 1Ekrid1 on 01/07/2010 06:02:45 Originally by: DeMichael Crimson I started reading this thread, got into the 2nd page and noticed that it was a total gang bang by a bunch of self centered self righteous (****CENSORED**) Trolls that need to (**CENSORED**) and die. The OP is correct in saying that this game is unbalanced. And it's getting worse with each new expansion and patch. Eventually this game will be like all the other dusty cult mmo's (DarkSpace) where there's only a small gathering of old, cranky, EPEENs looking to snub, ridicule and gank any and all new players, either in game or in the forum posts. Which of course makes the new players rage quit and causes the player base to shrink some more. a beacon of truth and realism in an ocean of lies and self delusion. I salute you sir. o7 Originally by:** Lucious Desire Edited by: Lucious Desire on 01/07/2010 05:49:21 Originally by: JC Anderson Edited by: JC Anderson on 01/07/2010 05:38:19 Originally by: DeMichael Crimson I started reading this thread, got into the 2nd page and noticed that it was a total gang bang by a bunch of self centered self righteous (****CENSORED**) Trolls that need to (**CENSORED**) and die Did you read further than the second page in order to view the fake/edited combat log that the OP posted as "proof" of his argument? I wouldn't even have bothered posting in this thread had I not read that first. !ON ANOTHER NOTE! Another thing to keep in mind is that there is more risk in flying a t3 than that of other ships. Regardless of having an up to date clone, you _still_ lose SP off your sub system skills if your sitting in the ship when it blows up. The only way to prevent it is to eject just before the explosion. Granted the SS skills are rank 1, but it's still a pain for somebody like myself who has trained all the subs to 5. Hey does anybody know what would happen if a T3 blows up while your sitting in it & you don't have your clone up to date? Would you lose sp off one of the SS skills as well as sp from another skill? t3 sp loss on ship gettin popped, then another hit when podded if this is going to be your flag of argumentative failure to rally behind as why it should be so powerful, then why not reduce the power of the ships and reduce the cost, i.e. no SP loss and not 600 mil to build. I've stated times before that it could cost 40-60 mil instead, and simply add on modularity and changing, like it is supposed to as it was stated to be,** and it would be vulnerable like a T1 1/2 ship in armor terms if it chose to be T3 in gank power, or vuln in T1 1/2 ship weaponry terms if it chose T3 warp stab or cloak or tank power. you see? that would be modularity and balance and yet worth buying into at 60 mil, and no SP loss. instead its T2+T1 in speed, damage, tank, and only then do you add modularity to make it even further ludicrous. q.e.d. There's 1, repeat 1, frigate in the T1 lineup designed to be a suicide tackler. the rest are for COMBAT. so don't tell me to tackle when I'm in a combat T1 frig. OR tell CCP to fix their mess.
JC Anderson Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2010.07.01 06:00:00 - [259] Edited by: JC Anderson on 01/07/2010 06:01:27 Doh! I didn't consider the fact that the SS sp loss isn't when you are podded but when the ship blows.... Even though I had JUST said it in the very same post. ;) And TY for reply.
1Ekrid1	Posted - 2010.07.01 06:16:00 - [260] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: 1Ekrid1 you'll suddenly realize that games of balance require much smaller gains for each level up in order to give people a fighting chance to win no matter how poor, if they're superior in skill. And then you'll suddenly realize that you personally suck at it, and that it's exactly your lack of skill that really killed you, not the allegedly vastly superior opponent ship. would you even listen to yourself. you know there's worlds of difference between someone with all skills level 3 and someone with all skills level 5. the person with level 5 wins. but even then its only just. maybe the right mod combo from the person all level 3 could beat this other one. yet with T2, the person with level 5 wins in half the time, and can only be hard countered or lost to, soft counters wont work like between an all level 3 and all level 5 with the same Tech of ship. T3 is even worse, because its TRIPLE the advantage for the other guy, meaning that a hard counter MIGHT win you a fight against them half the time. its to the point of lunacy. There's 1, repeat 1, frigate in the T1 lineup designed to be a suicide tackler. the rest are for COMBAT. so don't tell me to tackle when I'm in a combat T1 frig. OR tell CCP to fix their mess.

Amanda Mor Gallente	Posted - 2010.07.01 06:23:00 - [261] Edited by: Amanda Mor on 01/07/2010 06:26:21 Free bump to the top of the page. 1Ekrid1, can I have your babies? I love you man EDIT: BTW, I'm calling 15 pages for this thread before his head explodes in impotent nerd rage - at which point he'll start another whine thread. Any ideas what that thread will be about? ---------------------------------------------- I don't have an alt, but there's a main that would be upset if he heard me say that...
JC Anderson Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2010.07.01 06:25:00 - [262] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 if this is going to be your flag of argumentative failure to rally behind as why it should be so powerful, then why not reduce the power of the ships and reduce the cost I don't recall ever saying that the SP loss was a major, let alone only argument to rally behind in this debate. It was added as another note as yet an "additional" downside to strategic cruisers. Even without that factor they still aren't as all-powerful as you are making them out to be. It is but one downside to add to the countless slew of other arguments expressed by those in this thread. And you still haven't sufficiently explained the combat log that you posted in the first place. If t3's are as much of a potent and over-powered ship class as you make them out to be, then why pad a combat log with fake data?
Zions Child Caldari Carthage Industries	Posted - 2010.07.01 06:26:00 - [263] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 Originally by: Akita T Originally by: 1Ekrid1 you'll suddenly realize that games of balance require much smaller gains for each level up in order to give people a fighting chance to win no matter how poor, if they're superior in skill. And then you'll suddenly realize that you personally suck at it, and that it's exactly your lack of skill that really killed you, not the allegedly vastly superior opponent ship. would you even listen to yourself. you know there's worlds of difference between someone with all skills level 3 and someone with all skills level 5. the person with level 5 wins. but even then its only just. maybe the right mod combo from the person all level 3 could beat this other one. yet with T2, the person with level 5 wins in half the time, and can only be hard countered or lost to, soft counters wont work like between an all level 3 and all level 5 with the same Tech of ship. T3 is even worse, because its TRIPLE the advantage for the other guy, meaning that a hard counter MIGHT win you a fight against them half the time. its to the point of lunacy. You don't think much, do you? Originally by: CCP Shadow snip Castration successful. Shadow.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.07.01 07:05:00 - [264] Edited by: Akita T on 01/07/2010 07:16:33 Originally by: 1Ekrid1 would you even listen to yourself. you know there's worlds of difference between someone with all skills level 3 and someone with all skills level 5. the person with level 5 wins. but even then its only just. maybe the right mod combo from the person all level 3 could beat this other one. yet with T2, the person with level 5 wins in half the time, and can only be hard countered or lost to, soft counters wont work like between an all level 3 and all level 5 with the same Tech of ship. T3 is even worse, because its TRIPLE the advantage for the other guy, meaning that a hard counter MIGHT win you a fight against them half the time. Would you listen to YOURSELF ? Triple of a really small advantage is still a small advantage. And yes, you're SUPPOSED TO mostly lose on a 1-vs-1 even with equal skills (both in-game and out-of-game) when you're fighting T1 vs equivalent T2, let alone T3. Even assuming your combat log wasn't a complete fabrication, which it almost certainly was (5 Ogre IIs from a Legion fit with Autocannon IIs and timestamps jumping all over the place), you were allegedly flying a junk T1 fit junk T1 cruiser with a low-skills pilot and a clueless controller against a T2-fit T3 ship flown by a veteran, competent pilot. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN AN OUTRAGE IF YOU WOULDN'T HAVE DIED BOTH HOPELESSLY AND RELATIVELY FAST. Yes, T3 are more versatile, and through that versatility, when picking the combo that best enhances your desired traits, it obviously becomes better than most T2 ships you could have used for that particular purpose. At the same time, randomly picking T3 subsystems is quite likely to result in a death to a properly fit T1 cruiser. Think any SPECIFIC T3 subsystem is overpowered ? Suggest a toning down for it, and just for it. Slightly more powerful than T2 overall ? Sure. There wouldn't be much point in having them at all if ALL possible combinations would result in similar or inferior performance. There is no person here except you and your sockpuppets (or other assorted moron specimens) that thinks T3 ships as a whole are GAME-BREAKINGLY overpowered. T3 ships, even the best possible setups with insanely expensive fits will die to a SMALL handful of T1 ships with T2 fits flown by COMPETENT pilots, regardless of how decked out the T3 ship is. And whoever says otherwise is an even bigger idiot than you. You have at no point demonstrated that T3 ships are overpowered, you obviously faked logs to try to prove a point, but your doctoring STILL failed to prove that point ! Since, you know, apparently, you died nowhere near as fast as you initially claimed you did, even AFTER you doctored the combat log heavily (if that fight ever actually happened at all). Piling on failure after failure suits you well, carry on. _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
JC Anderson Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2010.07.01 07:16:00 - [265] Edited by: JC Anderson on 01/07/2010 07:16:33 Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 01/07/2010 07:13:21 Originally by: 1Ekrid1 would you even listen to yourself. you know there's worlds of difference between someone with all skills level 3 and someone with all skills level 5. the person with level 5 wins. but even then its only just. maybe the right mod combo from the person all level 3 could beat this other one. yet with T2, the person with level 5 wins in half the time, and can only be hard countered or lost to, soft counters wont work like between an all level 3 and all level 5 with the same Tech of ship. T3 is even worse, because its TRIPLE the advantage for the other guy, meaning that a hard counter MIGHT win you a fight against them half the time. Would you listen to YOURSELF ? Triple of a really small advantage is still a small advantage. And yes, you're SUPPOSED TO mostly lose on a 1-vs-1 even with equal skills (both in-game and out-of-game) when you're fighting T1 vs equivalent T2, let alone T3. Even assuming your combat log wasn't a complete fabrication, which it almost certainly was (5 Ogre IIs from a Legion fit with Autocannon IIs and timestamps jumping all over the place), you were allegedly flying a junk T1 fit junk T1 cruiser with a low-skills pilot and a clueless controller against a T2-fit T3 ship flown by a veteran, competent pilot. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN AN OUTRAGE IF YOU WOULDN'T HAVE DIED BOTH HOPELESSLY AND RELATIVELY FAST. Yes, T3 are more versatile, and through that versatility, when picking the combo that best enhances your desired traits, it obviously becomes better than most T2 ships you could have used for that particular purpose. At the same time, randomly picking T3 subsystems is quite likely to result in a death to a properly fit T1 cruiser. Think any SPECIFIC T3 subsystem is overpowered ? Suggest a toning down for it, and just for it. Slightly more powerful than T2 overall ? Sure. There wouldn't be much point in having them at all if ALL possible combinations would result in similar or inferior performance. There is no person here except you and your sockpuppets (or other assorted moron specimens) that thinks T3 ships as a whole are GAME-BREAKINGLY overpowered. T3 ships, even the best possible setups with insanely expensive fits will die to a SMALL handful of T1 ships with T2 fits flown by COMPETENT pilots, regardless of how decked out the T3 ship is. And whoever says otherwise is an even bigger idiot than you. Hell I wish it was over-powered! Then I wouldn't have to worry about ship fittings and ships anymore as I would fly the T3 exclusively. Sadly, this isn't the case and likewise I tend not to spend any more time in my Tengu than I do in my other ships.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.07.01 07:23:00 - [266] He brought a rusty butter-spreading knife to a machinegun fight and he's complaining he can't afford to buy a lightsaber. _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.07.01 07:45:00 - [267] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 if this is going to be your flag of argumentative failure to rally behind as why it should be so powerful, àbut that's just it: how are they powerful? This is an assertion you make without anything to back it up. Any argumentative failure on the opposing side is irrelevant since you haven't presented an argument to begin with. Quote: q.e.d. Yes, please demonstrate what the problem is. Quote: T3 is even worse, because its TRIPLE the advantage for the other guy, meaning that a hard counter MIGHT win you a fight against them half the time. So you have any proof of this? Can you provide any examples, preferably from "real world" applications? Or are you just guessing based on EFT warrioring? You keep saying that T3s are horribly overpowered, but we have nothing to go on except your wordà àso put something other than angry rhetorics behind those words and provide some proof. Otherwise, you have no argument. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Mari Seles	Posted - 2010.07.01 08:02:00 - [268] We seriously need to get this guy something, he's total comedic gold.
JC Anderson Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2010.07.01 08:15:00 - [269] Originally by: Mari Seles We seriously need to get this guy something, he's total comedic gold. We could all chip in and buy him a strategic cruiser.
1Ekrid1	Posted - 2010.07.01 08:21:00 - [270] Originally by: JC Anderson Originally by: Mari Seles We seriously need to get this guy something, he's total comedic gold. We could all chip in and buy him a strategic cruiser. nah I'd reproc it and buy something that isnt game breaking, because I'm not a **** enough of a person to use such a thing thats like a mini-titan. There's 1, repeat 1, frigate in the T1 lineup designed to be a suicide tackler. the rest are for COMBAT. so don't tell me to tackle when I'm in a combat T1 frig. OR tell CCP to fix their mess.

Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.07.01 08:22:00 - [271] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 nah I'd reproc it and buy something that isnt game breaking, because I'm not a **** enough of a person to use such a thing thats like a mini-titan. Yes you are. More to the point, though, do you have any proof of this alleged game breaking performance? ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Mari Seles	Posted - 2010.07.01 08:28:00 - [272] I vote we buy him a decently fit Maller, maybe he'll actually survive an encounter next time... though I think he would need friends for that... and the only people I can see around him are those pointing and laughing.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.07.01 08:36:00 - [273] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 nah I'd reproc it Ah, yes, the "smart" thing to do, which only a "clever" person like yourself could ever think of. The rest of us would actually do something as stupid as, oh, I don't know, maybe SELL it instead ? _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
BeanBagKing Ch3mic4l Warfare STR8NGE BREW	Posted - 2010.07.01 08:54:00 - [274] Page 10! \o/ comon people, help it along! Ekrid: Where's that killmail? What is your response to the doctored logs allegations? What about the proof that your earlier posts were full of lies? The public wants to know! /me feeds the troll and wonders off to another thread.
Isil Rahsen Gallente Ferrum Superum	Posted - 2010.07.01 08:56:00 - [275] Originally by: BeanBagKing Page 10! \o/ comon people, help it along! Ekrid: Where's that killmail? What is your response to the doctored logs allegations? What about the proof that your earlier posts were full of lies? The public wants to know! /me feeds the troll and wonders off to another thread. No god, please, just let this horrible thread die.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.07.01 08:57:00 - [276] No, it's fun ! _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Baneken Gallente Aseveljet	Posted - 2010.07.01 09:04:00 - [277] Yes, quite awesome thread with a troll and we even have a few sycophants for the troll in this thread. OP obviously has removed EVE from his computer since by now he certainly has had days to get back to his computer and show us the actual kill mail. But flame on I'm sure we can get some more heat from the OP. http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.07.01 09:19:00 - [278] Originally by: Baneken OP obviously has removed EVE from his computer since by now he certainly has had days to get back to his computer and show us the actual kill mail. I seem to recall (but really can't be arsed to eve-search for) a post where he claimed that he hadn't played in months. I think this was shortly after he claimed that he had just been blown up because he didn't understand tracking and shortly before that particular character was thrown out from the forumsà àso, yeah. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Saelie	Posted - 2010.07.01 09:32:00 - [279] OP is a fun troll. Troll even has mini-trolls! Simple reason why T3 ships often appear powerful next to T2s and T1s - Pilots who get into T3 ships do not PvP in them without top-tier skills. This is because the ships are expensive and because losing one results in lost skillpoints. Therefore, if you find a pilot PvPing in a T3, especially in a Legion since they're not as versatile as the others, he's likely extremely well-trained, extremely experienced, and extremely confident. All things I would say the OP lacked if I thought this fight even happened, but I don't.
Lt Angus Caldari the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2010.07.01 11:07:00 - [280] Dont nerf my mini titan please resize your signature to the maximum allowed file size of 24000 bytes. Navigator Shhhh, Im hunting Badgers

omgevenmoarfreemoniez	Posted - 2010.07.01 11:10:00 - [281] Originally by: Mari Seles I vote we buy him a decently fit Maller, maybe he'll actually survive an encounter next time... though I think he would need friends for that... and the only people I can see around him are those pointing and laughing. STFU. ******s are there to be bullied.
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2010.07.01 11:51:00 - [282] Ekrid, 1) WHY DID YOU FAKE THE COMBAT LOGS? 2) WHY ARE YOU LYING ABOUT WHAT REALLY HAPPENED? 3) WHAT IS IT YOU REALLY WANT DONE AND WHY? Honestly, so far what it seems like happened is you got owned by a T3 (or perhaps a few). You're ****ed and bitter about it and want CCP to nerf T3's because of it. What really happened and why are you being so sneaky about it? Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!
Ava Starfire Minmatar Nordanverdr Modr	Posted - 2010.07.01 11:54:00 - [283] This thread has made me giggle every morning for three days. So, OP....since I see you are still posting... What about them legions that carry 5 heavy drones, eh? Space is fun!
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2010.07.01 12:16:00 - [284] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 Edited by: 1Ekrid1 on 01/07/2010 06:03:46 Edited by: 1Ekrid1 on 01/07/2010 06:02:45 Originally by: DeMichael Crimson I started reading this thread, got into the 2nd page and noticed that it was a total gang bang by a bunch of self centered self righteous (****CENSORED**) Trolls that need to (**CENSORED****) and die. The OP is correct in saying that this game is unbalanced. And it's getting worse with each new expansion and patch. Eventually this game will be like all the other dusty cult mmo's (DarkSpace) where there's only a small gathering of old, cranky, EPEENs looking to snub, ridicule and gank any and all new players, either in game or in the forum posts. Which of course makes the new players rage quit and causes the player base to shrink some more. a beacon of truth and realism in an ocean of lies and self delusion. I salute you sir. o7 Are you serious? Are you referring to YOUR lies here? Please explain why you've faked combat logs and continue to lie about what really happened. The only one so far producing this "ocean of lies" and "self delusions" is you. Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.07.01 12:23:00 - [285] Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 What really happened and why are you being so sneaky about it? You know it's bad when MatrixSkye and I agree on somethingà ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Malcanis Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.07.01 12:39:00 - [286] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 What really happened and why are you being so sneaky about it? You know it's bad when MatrixSkye and I agree on somethingà I was just thinking the very same thought. Oh well it's Erkid, and everyone knows he's a troll, so no need to get too upset. For the record, T3s are nice but not wtfpwndbbqmachines. Plus, you know, skillpoint loss. Personally I mostly use mine for moving valuables. Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
Joe Skellington Minmatar JOKAS Industries Apocalypse Now.	Posted - 2010.07.01 13:15:00 - [287] T3 ships are supposed to be good, do you realize what it takes to make one? I guess not.
Kickin Urass	Posted - 2010.07.01 15:07:00 - [288] What a silly rant. You bring a T3 into lowsec/nullsec, and you stand a good chance of losing a billion ISK. It doesn't take a blob - you could run into a BS with a tackler, and you can get toasted. You might see an "easy" kill, jump on it, only to have 4 faction cruisers, or god forbid, another T3 or two, warp in on top of you. Then you lose a billion ISK. Plus skillpoints. I think OP is a purposeful troll. Its the only logical explanation.
Hecatonis Amarr	Posted - 2010.07.01 16:50:00 - [289] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 a beacon of truth and realism in an ocean of lies and self delusion. I salute you sir. o7 buhahahahaha, really now? ok lets recap this ocean of lies Originally by: 1Ekrid1 I call amazing DPS anything that chews shields armor and hull up in only 3 volleys. well with your own combat log it came to a lot more then 3 volleys, would this be a lie? Originally by: 1Ekrid1 his MWD got him to me from 30km to 5000m within 5 seconds, his guns killed in 3 seconds. yeah, thats not reatrded at all. your fake combat log is far over 3 sec long, and your failed EFT loadout didnt even come close to the 5km/s needed to cover that distance. could this also be a lie? Originally by: 1Ekrid1 he covered 25km in 5 seconds for 5,000 km/s, or that he killed in three seconds, taking out one defensve layer per volley, meaning he must do 1400 damage a volley, while firing a volley every second. we have already been over this before, it wasn't 3 sec, this is by your own admission, we have yet to see a fit that can fo 5km/s and there isnt a set up in eve can can shoot at those speeds. more lies? i think so... Originally by: 1Ekrid1 He went through 5500 HP, modified to 12k effective HP via resists, in three volleys from his ship with T2 drones as well, so basically you're an idiot. well no he is not an idiot, we later found out that it was more then 3 volleys. this does look like another misdirection, aka a lie Originally by: 1Ekrid1 co proc is fail on a cruiser, use a reactor control, nublet another great one, those two things do two very different things...maybe your shouldnt be a twt Originally by:* 1Ekrid1 I'm going to laugh my ass off when I post my log and shut you fools up for good, did you laugh when the logs you posted showed that you where a liar? i did. Originally by: 1Ekrid1 combat log it starts at 2010.06.29 01:40:48 and ends at 2010.06.29 01:42:03. thats 1 min and 5 sec. a lot longer then 3 sec. its also more then 3 volleys. yes another piece of misinformation. 7 min later you come on here and whine about how the big bad t3 hurt you, sounds like a lot of butt to me. oh and it seems like you are back at your computer with your client. can you post the kill mail plz :) well the wife wants to get breakfast, i will continue this later, but it does seem that you are a big lying doo doo face :P post the kill mail. i want another good laugh __________________________________________________ stop acting like tw*ts and use your brain
1Ekrid1	Posted - 2010.07.01 18:33:00 - [290] Edited by: 1Ekrid1 on 01/07/2010 18:34:08 Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Baneken OP obviously has removed EVE from his computer since by now he certainly has had days to get back to his computer and show us the actual kill mail. I seem to recall (but really can't be arsed to eve-search for) a post where he claimed that he hadn't played in months. I think this was shortly after he claimed that he had just been blown up because he didn't understand tracking and shortly before that particular character was thrown out from the forumsà àso, yeah. no, idiot. I hadn't played since they got rid of classic client because my system could run that at 60 fps, but not shader 2.3, and that was CCP's loss of subs. I resubbed, and I havent P A I D in months, because, using GTCs, I don't need to do anything but let this *** lapse so as to be done with this farce of a game. This game is like a game of chess where 1 guy gets an extra row of pawns two squares in front of him, and the other guy is penalized both his bishops because he doesn't have all level 5 skill to have them. I'm just blowing my ISK in a last hurrah and killing time finding the bigger flaws in the game by looking for them. My first impression on T3 was, "wtf T2 is already double skills for damage and more guns and double armor for protection over T1, thats horse**". Remember when everyone flew HACs because they were ultimate? Now its going to be everyone flying T3. Then I heard that you reconfigure them to make them focused into something and I thought "oh, so its not going to be overpowered, since you're going to do one thing well but be suitably lacking in other things to make it not like its T2+T2 ship glued together". I was wrong about that thought and now can see for myself that its indeed overpowered like my first thought. tl;dr, you fail at reading comprehension and using your brain. There's 1, repeat 1, frigate in the T1 lineup designed to be a suicide tackler. the rest are for COMBAT. so don't tell me to tackle when I'm in a combat T1 frig. OR tell CCP to fix their mess.

Balsak Minmatar Friends of Bigfoot	Posted - 2010.07.01 18:41:00 - [291] So in other words your life is so pathetic you have nothing better to do with your time than to post a pile of crap on the forums for a video game you don't like any more ?
Rhinanna Minmatar Volition Cult The Volition Cult	Posted - 2010.07.01 18:43:00 - [292] Well given hes so ******ed he can't even make a log that even looks realistic or make a decent argument for his case, did you expect better? -The sword is only as sharp as the one who wields it. Drenzul (My normal internet tag)
Syn Callibri Minmatar Blacklight Incorporated	Posted - 2010.07.01 18:47:00 - [293] What I want to know is this...since there is no proof to back-up Erkid's claims, the truth must be that he ran into the ONE npc that was T3 fit in all of EvE. Makes as much sense as the OP. "Nindyn nindel kyorl nind ratha, thalra streea dal l'alust."
Yuki Kulotsuki	Posted - 2010.07.01 18:48:00 - [294] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 I was wrong That's all we needed to hear. Originally by: CCP Lemur THIS IS GOD: ... IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE REQUESTS I'M AVAILABLE SUNDAY FROM 10:30 TO 12:00 TO RECEIVE YOUR PRAYERS.
1Ekrid1	Posted - 2010.07.01 19:44:00 - [295] Originally by: Yuki Kulotsuki Originally by: 1Ekrid1 I was wrong That's all we needed to hear. yep, I was wrong to think that T3 would be balanced. There's 1, repeat 1, frigate in the T1 lineup designed to be a suicide tackler. the rest are for COMBAT. so don't tell me to tackle when I'm in a combat T1 frig. OR tell CCP to fix their mess.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.07.01 19:48:00 - [296] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 This game is like a game of chess where 1 guy gets an extra row of pawns two squares in front of him, and the other guy is penalized both his bishops because he doesn't have all level 5 skill to have them. Really? Do you have anything to back this claim up? Quote: Now its going to be everyone flying T3. What do you base this assessment on? Quote: tl;dr, you fail at reading comprehension and using your brain. And you are a liar and a n00b with no clue whatsoever about the game and its mechanics ù much less about balance. Based on these facts (all demonstrated and proven in this very thread), I have no reason to listen to or believe in your story since it will doubtlessly directly contradict what you've previously stated. I'm guessing that my version is far closer to the truth until you prove otherwise ù something you've proven yourself pathologically incapable of doing. Good luck. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Hecatonis Amarr	Posted - 2010.07.01 19:52:00 - [297] Edited by: Hecatonis on 01/07/2010 19:52:58 Originally by: 1Ekrid1 Originally by: Yuki Kulotsuki Originally by: 1Ekrid1 I was wrong That's all we needed to hear. yep, I was wrong to think that T3 would be balanced. they are balanced. dear god man i think this thread would have explained it to you. you lost in a fight that took longer then a minute, NOT the 3 sec you claimed. your fit was bad and not something that would have taken a T2 let alone a T3 ship. and many people have told you how to beat a T3 using only T1 ships. this does not make them the "i win" ship you think it is. you lost your ship because you where outclasses in ship, mods, skill, and brains. if you entered the fight with a better build there is a chance you could have won, but guess what. you lost then tried to fake the logs. your a child with a big sore bottom, get over it quit playing or learn something... edit: and what do you mean by balanced? that anyone in any build could beat it? thats not balanced, thats useless. __________________________________________________ stop acting like tw*ts and use your brain
Dana Jin	Posted - 2010.07.01 19:52:00 - [298] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 T3 ships. seriously. they can kill a T1 cruiser in 4 seconds flat, blah blah blah....nerf nerf please...blah blah. I had a Caracal cyno in my Rorq once. The Caracal got jumped by a Tengu on the station. Not only did I last more than 4 seconds, and survived but between my regular missiles and the station the Tengu was down to less than a quarter shields. The pilot of the Tengu convoed me to ask the fit on the Caracal which I gave him....he then laughed hysterically gave me props and left local.
Fistme	Posted - 2010.07.01 20:10:00 - [299] Edited by: Fistme on 01/07/2010 20:16:58 Originally by: Zeba An f22 would win every time vs an f15 so it might as well be a bi-plane. dude, stfu ur dumb. An f22 was downed in red flag by an fa-18 with a gun kill. f22 allows for superior long range performance and more efficient high speed travel. In the era of helmet tracking heat seeking aim9xs and similar soviet weapons any plane, even the f22 can be downed by a 40 year old retrofitted jet with ease... The seeker head of these new missiles can be slaved to the pilots helmet allowing for shots almost 40 degrees off of the planes nose... aim9x can do 50gs, f22 maybe 12. f22 is amazing because it allows the pilot to engage pilots on his terms, not because it has uber manuverability and uber speed(mach 2.2 is slower than an f15 btw). f15 also has a better weight to thrust ratio and is the only plane in the history of combat aviation to have a perfect record. Close to 100 kills w/o a single loss...
Hecatonis Amarr	Posted - 2010.07.01 22:41:00 - [300] Originally by: Fistme Edited by: Fistme on 01/07/2010 20:16:58 Originally by: Zeba An f22 would win every time vs an f15 so it might as well be a bi-plane. dude, stfu ur dumb. An f22 was downed in red flag by an fa-18 with a gun kill. f22 allows for superior long range performance and more efficient high speed travel. In the era of helmet tracking heat seeking aim9xs and similar soviet weapons any plane, even the f22 can be downed by a 40 year old retrofitted jet with ease... The seeker head of these new missiles can be slaved to the pilots helmet allowing for shots almost 40 degrees off of the planes nose... aim9x can do 50gs, f22 maybe 12. f22 is amazing because it allows the pilot to engage pilots on his terms, not because it has uber manuverability and uber speed(mach 2.2 is slower than an f15 btw). f15 also has a better weight to thrust ratio and is the only plane in the history of combat aviation to have a perfect record. Close to 100 kills w/o a single loss... way to miss the topic man...and that post was on the 2nd or 3rd page...are you offended that easily? __________________________________________________ stop acting like tw*ts and use your brain

MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2010.07.01 22:59:00 - [301] Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 01/07/2010 23:04:19 OMG! I just lost my Caracal to a Hulk in just 2 volleys and 3.5 seconds. Hulk needs a nurf. Here's proof: [2010.07.3 03:40:48] (combat) Templar belonging to MrSnuffles heavily hits you, inflicting 120.2 damage. [2010.08.22 03:40:48] (combat) Mining Laser II belonging to MrSnuffles is heavily thrown at you, inflicting 72.6 damage. [2010.08.22 03:40:48] (combat) Another Mining Laser II belonging to MrSnuffles is heavily thrown at you, inflicting 59.1 damage. [ 2010.07.3 01:06:32 ] (combat) Veldspar belonging to MrSnuffles barely scratches you, inflicting 17.4 damage. [Stardate 47988.2 ] (combat) Expanded Cargohold II belonging to MrSnuffles is well aimed at you, inflicting 22.4 damage. Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!
Joe Skellington Minmatar JOKAS Industries Apocalypse Now.	Posted - 2010.07.01 23:07:00 - [302] Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 OMG! I just lost my Caracal to a Hulk in just 2 volleys and 3.5 seconds. Hulk needs a nurf. Here's proof: [2010.07.3 03:40:48] (combat) Ogre II belonging to MrSnuffles heavily hits you, inflicting 120.2 damage. [2010.08.22 03:40:48] (combat) Mining Laser II belonging to MrSnuffles is heavily thrown at you, inflicting 72.6 damage. [2010.08.22 03:40:48] (combat) Another Mining Laser II belonging to MrSnuffles is heavily thrown at you, inflicting 59.1 damage. [ 2010.07.3 01:06:32 ] (combat) Veldspar belonging to MrSnuffles barely scratches you, inflicting 17.4 damage. [Stardate 47988.2 ] (combat) Expanded Cargohold II belonging to MrSnuffles is well aimed at you, inflicting 22.4 damage. Holy ****, goddamn Hulks. SOMETHING MUST BE DONE!
Ava Starfire Minmatar Nordanverdr Modr	Posted - 2010.07.02 00:20:00 - [303] Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 01/07/2010 23:04:19 OMG! I just lost my Caracal to a Hulk in just 2 volleys and 3.5 seconds. Hulk needs a nurf. Here's proof: [2010.07.3 03:40:48] (combat) Templar belonging to MrSnuffles heavily hits you, inflicting 120.2 damage. [2010.08.22 03:40:48] (combat) Mining Laser II belonging to MrSnuffles is heavily thrown at you, inflicting 72.6 damage. [2010.08.22 03:40:48] (combat) Another Mining Laser II belonging to MrSnuffles is heavily thrown at you, inflicting 59.1 damage. [ 2010.07.3 01:06:32 ] (combat) Veldspar belonging to MrSnuffles barely scratches you, inflicting 17.4 damage. [Stardate 47988.2 ] (combat) Expanded Cargohold II belonging to MrSnuffles is well aimed at you, inflicting 22.4 damage. Stuff on this forum very rarely makes me actually laugh, but this did it. Well. Thanks for this. Space is fun!
JC Anderson Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2010.07.02 00:35:00 - [304] Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 01/07/2010 23:04:19 OMG! I just lost my Caracal to a Hulk in just 2 volleys and 3.5 seconds. Hulk needs a nurf. Here's proof: [2010.07.3 03:40:48] (combat) Templar belonging to MrSnuffles heavily hits you, inflicting 120.2 damage. [2010.08.22 03:40:48] (combat) Mining Laser II belonging to MrSnuffles is heavily thrown at you, inflicting 72.6 damage. [2010.08.22 03:40:48] (combat) Another Mining Laser II belonging to MrSnuffles is heavily thrown at you, inflicting 59.1 damage. [ 2010.07.3 01:06:32 ] (combat) Veldspar belonging to MrSnuffles barely scratches you, inflicting 17.4 damage. [Stardate 47988.2 ] (combat) Expanded Cargohold II belonging to MrSnuffles is well aimed at you, inflicting 22.4 damage. We need to start a petition to nerf those expanded cargo holds else we are all doomed!
Viktor Fyretracker Caldari Fyretracker Heavy Industries	Posted - 2010.07.02 00:39:00 - [305] Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 01/07/2010 23:04:19 OMG! I just lost my Caracal to a Hulk in just 2 volleys and 3.5 seconds. Hulk needs a nurf. Here's proof: [2010.07.3 03:40:48] (combat) Templar belonging to MrSnuffles heavily hits you, inflicting 120.2 damage. [2010.08.22 03:40:48] (combat) Mining Laser II belonging to MrSnuffles is heavily thrown at you, inflicting 72.6 damage. [2010.08.22 03:40:48] (combat) Another Mining Laser II belonging to MrSnuffles is heavily thrown at you, inflicting 59.1 damage. [ 2010.07.3 01:06:32 ] (combat) Veldspar belonging to MrSnuffles barely scratches you, inflicting 17.4 damage. [Stardate 47988.2 ] (combat) Expanded Cargohold II belonging to MrSnuffles is well aimed at you, inflicting 22.4 damage. lol i think it would be pretty funny if once shields where down Mining lasers could start to mine the armor and hull off a ship. imagine a hulk with a killmail for a titan =x
Zions Child Caldari Carthage Industries	Posted - 2010.07.02 04:19:00 - [306] I am soooo not bumping this to the top with an insult because this is one of the funniest troll threads I've read in a long time. So, Ekrid, You've lied, about everything, people have given you proven ways to neutralize a T3 effectively, (and by effectively, I mean with two T1 cruisers, maybe 3 at most), have shown that they are balanced, and not just through cost and sp, but with the fact that they are very, very easy to shut down (cruiser sized cap and cruiser strength sensors). And now you're calling people idiots. You don't know this game very well, or people, obviously, or hell, even arguing, because you've failed at all three. In Ekridese: damnet yuo are an idiot omg just like some nub who thinks T3 are unbalanced jeez you must use ebay foer yoor cheracters. Originally by: CCP Shadow snip Castration successful. Shadow.
1Ekrid1	Posted - 2010.07.05 00:41:00 - [307] you guys *** and whine about log sure Ill give one thats because you know T3 is OP. I got back to my comp that runs eve today, here you go you whiney carebear tools. Quote: [ 2010.06.27 11:03:10 ] (notify) Warping to Rancer VI - Asteroid Belt 2 [ 2010.06.27 11:03:17 ] (notify) Daruskito [CHEER](Proteus) has started trying to warp scramble you! [ 2010.06.27 11:03:18 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Heavy Neutron Blaster II belonging to Daruskito barely scratches you, causing 928.1 damage. [ 2010.06.27 11:03:21 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Heavy Neutron Blaster II belonging to Daruskito lightly hits you, doing 840.4 damage. [ 2010.06.27 11:03:23 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your group of Heavy Modal Pulse Laser I hits Daruskito [CHEER](Proteus), doing 296.0 damage. [ 2010.06.27 11:03:24 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Warrior II belonging to Daruskito hits you, doing 25.3 damage. [ 2010.06.27 11:03:24 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Warrior II belonging to Daruskito lightly hits you, doing 18.4 damage. [ 2010.06.27 11:03:24 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Warrior II belonging to Daruskito hits you, doing 22.0 damage. [ 2010.06.27 11:03:24 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Warrior II belonging to Daruskito barely scratches you, causing 9.2 damage. [ 2010.06.27 11:03:24 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Warrior II belonging to Daruskito heavily hits you, inflicting 35.3 damage. [ 2010.06.27 11:03:24 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Heavy Neutron Blaster II belonging to Daruskito hits you, doing 1028.1 damage. [ 2010.06.27 11:03:26 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your group of Heavy Modal Pulse Laser I hits Daruskito [CHEER](Proteus), doing 307.7 damage. [ 2010.06.27 11:03:27 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Heavy Neutron Blaster II belonging to Daruskito heavily hits you, inflicting 1514.2 damage. [ 2010.06.27 11:03:28 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Warrior II belonging to Daruskito hits you, doing 24.3 damage. [ 2010.06.27 11:03:28 ] (combat) Warrior II belonging to Daruskito misses you completely. [ 2010.06.27 11:03:28 ] (combat) Warrior II belonging to Daruskito misses you completely. [ 2010.06.27 11:03:28 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Warrior II belonging to Daruskito hits you, doing 33.6 damage. [ 2010.06.27 11:03:28 ] (combat) Warrior II belonging to Daruskito misses you completely. [ 2010.06.27 11:03:30 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your group of Heavy Modal Pulse Laser I hits Daruskito [CHEER](Proteus), doing 340.8 damage. [ 2010.06.27 11:03:30 ] (notify) Warping to Rancer VI - Asteroid Belt 2 [ 2010.06.27 11:03:30 ] (notify) Warping to Rancer VI - Asteroid Belt 2 [ 2010.06.27 11:03:30 ] (notify) Ship is out of control [ 2010.06.27 11:03:30 ] (notify) Warping to Rancer VI - Asteroid Belt 2 [ 2010.06.27 11:03:30 ] (notify) Ship is out of control [ 2010.06.27 11:03:30 ] (notify) Warping to Rancer VI - Asteroid Belt 2 [ 2010.06.27 11:03:31 ] (notify) Warping to Rancer VI - Asteroid Belt 2 [ 2010.06.27 11:03:31 ] (notify) Ship is out of control [ 2010.06.27 11:03:31 ] (notify) Ship is out of control [ 2010.06.27 11:03:31 ] (notify) Warping to Rancer VI - Asteroid Belt 2 [ 2010.06.27 11:03:31 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Heavy Neutron Blaster II belonging to Daruskito heavily hits you, inflicting 1063.4 damage. EHP 12,000. Resists 66.2/80.1/74.6/76.8 maybe now you dumb ***es will shut up. There's 1, repeat 1, frigate in the T1 lineup designed to be a suicide tackler. the rest are for COMBAT. so don't tell me to tackle when I'm in a combat T1 frig. OR tell CCP to fix their mess.
Hecatonis Amarr	Posted - 2010.07.05 04:28:00 - [308] Edited by: Hecatonis on 05/07/2010 04:30:40 Originally by: 1Ekrid1 *questionable content that looks untrue[/url] ok big problems here 1) this is longer then 3 seconds. using THIS* set of logs the main fight lasted 14 sec. that is over 4 times longer then you stated. 2) these are also different numbers then what you shared earlier, what one would you like us to believe? i choose to call you a liar and ignore bother. Originally by: first set date stamp 2010.06.29 01:40:48 Originally by: second set date stamp 2010.06.27 11:03:23 when you fake logs you should pay more attention to these little facts. i am sure others will point out these very bad reports, and we are still waiting for the killmail dude your sad, please quit eve now __________________________________________________ stop acting like tw*ts and use your brain
BeanBagKing Ch3mic4l Warfare STR8NGE BREW	Posted - 2010.07.05 04:39:00 - [309] Edited by: BeanBagKing on 05/07/2010 04:43:58 Quote: No Character can be found with 'Daruskito' in the beginning of its name. That explains why no killboards show any killmails for him and a google search turned up nothing. Also, I still don't see an end to the log, showing your ship exploding. Also, I still don't see a killmaill Now, I know your just trolling, and I'll continue to feed you because this thread still amuses me, but seriously, you are one fail troll. First, a successful troll is one where nobody even realizes he's a troll, and the less you post in your own thread, the more successful you are. If you can make one post and have it go to page 15, that's a successful troll. When you have to bump your own every few hours, you just fail.
Isil Rahsen Gallente Ferrum Superum	Posted - 2010.07.05 05:00:00 - [310] LOL, so he has faked another set of logs? Jesus christ haha

DigitalCommunist November Corporation	Posted - 2010.07.05 05:05:00 - [311] T3 > T2 > T1 CCP uses the price to balance the cost-benefit of using these. Though, when everyone is stinkin' balls rich that becomes irrelevant - as ganking a T2/T3 ship doesn't result in any economic hurting even if the ISK destroyed figures are impressive. See: Rich Carebears Who Want To Fly Pimp Ships and Solopwnmobile Everyone VS The People's Quorum For Combat Balance Realistically, T2 should be better at T1 ships at one very specific roles and garbage for everything else, while T1 should be flexible enough to use in more than one fitting/scenario. I'm not even gonna talk about what T3 should be, cause its so far off the mark I'd need a GPS to get back on topic.
1Ekrid1	Posted - 2010.07.05 05:20:00 - [312] Edited by: 1Ekrid1 on 05/07/2010 05:21:40 Originally by: Isil Rahsen LOL, so he has faked another set of logs? Jesus christ haha nope, I didnt have to. thats the log. if you dont want to believe it, Im sure its because you know how OP T3 is and that this is exactly why it fails. I know you want the real name of the person with the proteus, because you all are dying to match up the killboard to my character, but Im not nearly as stupid as you, which is why your goading tricks are of 100% fail. Game balance should never be based around money. it should always be based around brains and intelligence of good fits and piloting. Originally by: DigitalCommunist T3 > T2 > T1 CCP uses the price to balance the cost-benefit of using these. Though, when everyone is stinkin' balls rich that becomes irrelevant - as ganking a T2/T3 ship doesn't result in any economic hurting even if the ISK destroyed figures are impressive. See: Rich Carebears Who Want To Fly Pimp Ships and Solopwnmobile Everyone VS The People's Quorum For Combat Balance Realistically, T2 should be better at T1 ships at one very specific roles and garbage for everything else, while T1 should be flexible enough to use in more than one fitting/scenario. I'm not even gonna talk about what T3 should be, cause its so far off the mark I'd need a GPS to get back on topic. Exactly, CCp is doing it wrong. what happens when we come out with T4 ships? What about T5? when a T5 cruiser has 600% damage (given by how far T3 can grow in % terms compared to T1), there will be absolutely no chance. the link I made, there was 23k EHP, and it was a fail fit, and it required 11, 11, 11 PEOPLE to kill him. pirates whine that lowsec is dead. well its because you're so in love with your solopwnmobiles and effortless victory. you think someone in a T1 ship is going to lowsec to just die instantly? These are the same people that corpse camp in WoW. seriously. anyone who defends the power of T3 ships came from WoW as a corpse camper. to those who dont know, when 1 character is 10+ levels above another, your damage can go from 100's to 10 or less, when they're 20 levels above, you do one damage, from damage reduction scaling, and they do extra damage. so imagine having 600 HP, and someone can come along and do 300 hp/s damage to you. then they sit there all day after killing you, and kill you as you resurrect every time. If you log off, they wait all day if necessary to get you again. I remember reading that very recently, that a pirate in Eve online will wait if he sees someone logoffski, he will wait two hours to get this person when they log back in. Obviously the "pirates" and carebear PVPers that want to have invincible solopwnships have flooded here from WoW as griefers from the same game. There's 1, repeat 1, frigate in the T1 lineup designed to be a suicide tackler. the rest are for COMBAT. so don't tell me to tackle when I'm in a combat T1 frig. OR tell CCP to fix their mess.
Mari Seles	Posted - 2010.07.05 05:21:00 - [313] The total idiocy of assuming they needed all those people to kill that proteus is also laughable. They had those people there, probably gatecamping. One hurricane would have been enough to rip that failboat into pieces.
Isil Rahsen Gallente Ferrum Superum	Posted - 2010.07.05 05:35:00 - [314] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 Edited by: 1Ekrid1 on 05/07/2010 05:21:40 Originally by: Isil Rahsen LOL, so he has faked another set of logs? Jesus christ haha nope, I didnt have to. thats the log. if you dont want to believe it, Im sure its because you know how OP T3 is and that this is exactly why it fails. No it's because the character from the log that supposedly ganked you doesn't exist ingame. Originally by: 1Ekrid1 I know you want the real name of the person with the proteus, because you all are dying to match up the killboard to my character, but Im not nearly as stupid as you, which is why your goading tricks are of 100% fail. Likely excuse, it couldn't possibly be because the kill doesn't exist and you're just a troll right? Originally by: 1Ekrid1 Game balance should never be based around money. it should always be based around brains and intelligence of good fits and piloting. No matter how much you harp on this, cost will always be a balancing measure in this game. If cost wasn't an issue of balance you would end up with ships that suck costing just as much as ships that are good, ensuring they are never used. Originally by: 1Ekrid1 Exactly, CCp is doing it wrong. what happens when we come out with T4 ships? What about T5? when a T5 cruiser has 600% damage (given by how far T3 can grow in % terms compared to T1), there will be absolutely no chance. You're assuming we will ever see anything beyond T3, which is at this point very unlikely. The only thing you'll be getting within the next year is **ing in stations. Originally by:** 1Ekrid1 the link I made, there was 23k EHP, and it was a fail fit, and it required 11, 11, 11 PEOPLE to kill him. Yes because 11 people are on a killmail it obviously means every single one was required to kill the target, couldn't possibly be a case of people whoring the mail because it was an expensive kill right? And the much vaunted 23k EHP is easily matched by most T1 cruisers, some OP tank right there. Originally by: 1Ekrid1 pirates whine that lowsec is dead. well its because you're so in love with your solopwnmobiles and effortless victory. you think someone in a T1 ship is going to lowsec to just die instantly? Maybe you should get some friends to kill the big bad OP T3 ship? Some logistic support maybe? Originally by: 1Ekrid1 These are the same people that corpse camp in WoW. seriously. anyone who defends the power of T3 ships came from WoW as a corpse camper. Yep we're all spawn camping noob carebears.
Hecatonis Amarr	Posted - 2010.07.05 05:48:00 - [315] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 nope, I didnt have to. thats the log. if you dont want to believe it, Im sure its because you know how OP T3 is and that this is exactly why it fails. I know you want the real name of the person with the proteus, because you all are dying to match up the killboard to my character, but Im not nearly as stupid as you, which is why your goading tricks are of 100% fail. hahaha, your not that important my little friend. there is just so much wrong with your thread. so we now understand that not only are you a liar, but also a coward. not posting with a main when whining this much. you have somehow deluded yourself so far to think you are important enough for people to go out of their way to kill you. time to stop playing, it just to painful to watch __________________________________________________ stop acting like tw*ts and use your brain
Yuki Kulotsuki	Posted - 2010.07.05 06:28:00 - [316] This thread delivers. I vote Ekrid for rookie troll of the year. Originally by: CCP Lemur THIS IS GOD: ... IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE REQUESTS I'M AVAILABLE SUNDAY FROM 10:30 TO 12:00 TO RECEIVE YOUR PRAYERS.
Amanda Mor Gallente	Posted - 2010.07.05 06:35:00 - [317] You know what makes this thread so much fun? It's because Ekrid is that rare person who responds to being proven wrong and made to look stupid by hurling insults, and continuing to defend his point to the death. Where most people will just stop posting when they know they're wrong (and deep down, he knows he's wrong) to preserve their ego, he just can't help himself. He just keeps going and going, and if I was a psychologist, I'd be taking notes right now. And we're all enjoying the schadenfreude - I think this makes us bad people ---------------------------------------------- I don't have an alt, but there's a main that would be upset if he heard me say that...
Hecatonis Amarr	Posted - 2010.07.05 06:42:00 - [318] Originally by: Amanda Mor You know what makes this thread so much fun? It's because Ekrid is that rare person who responds to being proven wrong and made to look stupid by hurling insults, and continuing to defend his point to the death. Where most people will just stop posting when they know they're wrong (and deep down, he knows he's wrong) to preserve their ego, he just can't help himself. He just keeps going and going, and if I was a psychologist, I'd be taking notes right now. And we're all enjoying the schadenfreude - I think this makes us bad people QFT __________________________________________________ stop acting like tw*ts and use your brain
Ascendic Brotherhood of Suicidal Priests R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.07.05 06:47:00 - [319] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 bunch of idiotic rabble A proteus with a fail T1 fit takes 26k damage, and requires 11 people to kill them, WITH A FAIL FIT. Lol. You make me laugh man. I seriously did not know there were complete and utter dip sh!ts like you out there. Let me explain something very basic to you. JUST BECAUSE 11 PEOPLE WERE ON THE KM DOESNT MEAN IT WOULD TAKE 11 PEOPLE TO KILL IT YOU STUPID TOOL. /thread.
Nick Bete	Posted - 2010.07.05 07:47:00 - [320] I've been playing Eve for nearly 3 years and I can't ever recall a troll thread going on this long or said troll staying in character so well. Well done! Now that you've had your 11 pages of fame can you please STFU?

Sub System Caldari Is It Worth It	Posted - 2010.07.05 08:20:00 - [321] I think I have an Interceptor loss mail somewhere where I died to a mothership smartbombing me, wait 2 motherships. Interceptors are OP because it took 2 motherships to kill one! Ekrid, make that your next troll thread! Get me the nerf-bat naow!
Nikita Haley	Posted - 2010.07.05 08:30:00 - [322] I love this thread so much!
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.07.05 08:30:00 - [323] Hookayà Originally by: 1Ekrid1 EHP 12,000. Resists 66.2/80.1/74.6/76.8 maybe now you dumb ***es will shut up. Only if you tell us what ship you were in. Total damage recieved 5541.9 over 13 seconds, which is actually almost realistic, but you have some very odd inconsistencies in the hit qualities. Granted, they aren't quite the exact science for grouped guns as for individual ones, but yours are all over the placeà Again, a kill mail would be interesting since the only thing we can gleam from this log is that you're fitting a T1 damage control. Quote:** Im sure you CCP fanboiy fappers will love this: A proteus with a fail T1 fit takes 26k damage, and requires 11 people to kill them, WITH A FAIL FIT. 26k raw HP is what a standard buffer Drake has, for the record, so that's nothing to write home about, and nothing in that killmail shows that it required 11 people to kill it, just that 11 people were present. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
1Ekrid1	Posted - 2010.07.05 09:16:00 - [324] only the truth can be so insulting to "you people" amirite? There's 1, repeat 1, frigate in the T1 lineup designed to be a suicide tackler. the rest are for COMBAT. so don't tell me to tackle when I'm in a combat T1 frig. OR tell CCP to fix their mess.
Mari Seles	Posted - 2010.07.05 09:25:00 - [325] Well, if you ever tell the truth we might be suprised... insulted? Doubt it.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.07.05 09:27:00 - [326] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 only the truth can be so insulting to "you people" amirite? We're still waiting from you for something that might pass as truth after a cursory inspection. _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Sub System Caldari Is It Worth It	Posted - 2010.07.05 09:28:00 - [327] Originally by: Mari Seles Well, if you ever tell the truth we might be suprised... insulted? Doubt it. So according to you, you have spoken the truth about everything? Damn, an honest troll! How could this happen?
Durzel The Xenodus Initiative.	Posted - 2010.07.05 09:31:00 - [328] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 Edited by: 1Ekrid1 on 05/07/2010 00:46:17 you guys *** and whine about log sure Ill give one thats because you know T3 is OP. I got back to my comp that runs eve today, here you go you whiney carebear tools. Quote: [ 2010.06.27 11:03:10 ] (notify) Warping to Rancer VI - Asteroid Belt 2 [ 2010.06.27 11:03:17 ] (notify) Daruskito [CHEER](Proteus) has started trying to warp scramble you! [ 2010.06.27 11:03:18 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Heavy Neutron Blaster II belonging to Daruskito barely scratches you, causing 928.1 damage. [ 2010.06.27 11:03:21 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Heavy Neutron Blaster II belonging to Daruskito lightly hits you, doing 840.4 damage. [ 2010.06.27 11:03:23 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your group of Heavy Modal Pulse Laser I hits Daruskito [CHEER](Proteus), doing 296.0 damage. [ 2010.06.27 11:03:24 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Warrior II belonging to Daruskito hits you, doing 25.3 damage. [ 2010.06.27 11:03:24 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Warrior II belonging to Daruskito lightly hits you, doing 18.4 damage. [ 2010.06.27 11:03:24 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Warrior II belonging to Daruskito hits you, doing 22.0 damage. [ 2010.06.27 11:03:24 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Warrior II belonging to Daruskito barely scratches you, causing 9.2 damage. [ 2010.06.27 11:03:24 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Warrior II belonging to Daruskito heavily hits you, inflicting 35.3 damage. [ 2010.06.27 11:03:24 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Heavy Neutron Blaster II belonging to Daruskito hits you, doing 1028.1 damage. [ 2010.06.27 11:03:26 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your group of Heavy Modal Pulse Laser I hits Daruskito [CHEER](Proteus), doing 307.7 damage. [ 2010.06.27 11:03:27 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Heavy Neutron Blaster II belonging to Daruskito heavily hits you, inflicting 1514.2 damage. [ 2010.06.27 11:03:28 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Warrior II belonging to Daruskito hits you, doing 24.3 damage. [ 2010.06.27 11:03:28 ] (combat) Warrior II belonging to Daruskito misses you completely. [ 2010.06.27 11:03:28 ] (combat) Warrior II belonging to Daruskito misses you completely. [ 2010.06.27 11:03:28 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Warrior II belonging to Daruskito hits you, doing 33.6 damage. [ 2010.06.27 11:03:28 ] (combat) Warrior II belonging to Daruskito misses you completely. [ 2010.06.27 11:03:30 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your group of Heavy Modal Pulse Laser I hits Daruskito [CHEER](Proteus), doing 340.8 damage. [ 2010.06.27 11:03:30 ] (notify) Warping to Rancer VI - Asteroid Belt 2 [ 2010.06.27 11:03:30 ] (notify) Warping to Rancer VI - Asteroid Belt 2 [ 2010.06.27 11:03:30 ] (notify) Ship is out of control [ 2010.06.27 11:03:30 ] (notify) Warping to Rancer VI - Asteroid Belt 2 [ 2010.06.27 11:03:30 ] (notify) Ship is out of control [ 2010.06.27 11:03:30 ] (notify) Warping to Rancer VI - Asteroid Belt 2 [ 2010.06.27 11:03:31 ] (notify) Warping to Rancer VI - Asteroid Belt 2 [ 2010.06.27 11:03:31 ] (notify) Ship is out of control [ 2010.06.27 11:03:31 ] (notify) Ship is out of control [ 2010.06.27 11:03:31 ] (notify) Warping to Rancer VI - Asteroid Belt 2 [ 2010.06.27 11:03:31 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Heavy Neutron Blaster II belonging to Daruskito heavily hits you, inflicting 1063.4 damage. EHP 12,000. Resists 66.2/80.1/74.6/76.8 maybe now you dumb ***es will shut up. Im sure you CCP fanboiy fappers will love this: A proteus with a fail T1 fit takes 26k damage, and requires 11 people to kill them, WITH A FAIL FIT. T2 fitted T3 gank ship kills meta2 T1 fitted T1 failboat WTF CCP
1Ekrid1	Posted - 2010.07.05 09:35:00 - [329] Originally by: Sub System Originally by: Mari Seles Well, if you ever tell the truth we might be suprised... insulted? Doubt it. So according to you, you have spoken the truth about everything? Damn, an honest troll! How could this happen? Originally by: Akita T Originally by: 1Ekrid1 only the truth can be so insulting to "you people" amirite? We're still waiting from you for something that might pass as truth after a cursory inspection. I cant be expected to cater to your 12 year old ADD attention span. post elsewhere. There's 1, repeat 1, frigate in the T1 lineup designed to be a suicide tackler. the rest are for COMBAT. so don't tell me to tackle when I'm in a combat T1 frig. OR tell CCP to fix their mess.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.07.05 09:39:00 - [330] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 I cant be expected to cater to your 12 year old ADD attention span. post elsewhere. You can be expected to present some kind of evidence that supports your case ù preferably the kind that can be confirmed as not being faked or edited. How about you try it? ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki

Takashi Halamoto No Limit Productions Looney Toons.	Posted - 2010.07.05 09:42:00 - [331] dear ekrid, ive looked at Efit and assuming you only have amarr cruiser 3, and were in a maller as has been suggested by the fact you said your cruiser got armour resists from skill, your resists do not add up as with only two tech 1 EANM the resists of the maller at Amarr cruiser 3 are 68.6/59.2/52.9/49.7 so how you got your resists so high in the other three defies logic, and if you had t2 EANM then your resists would have been yet higher still, its not that you lie that annoys us its the fact your so damn bad at it, post the full fit with skills, post your killmail or just stop whining, one v one a brick cruiser vs a damage cruiser the damage cruiser wins, if its a t2 damage cruiser or a t3 damage cruiser it should not be a contest at all you claim you want balance, you dont, you want to be lazy and win without training skills or getting a good fit or getting friends, you seem to think all ships should be equal, well no because then eve would have one ship with one fit and noone would play it because it would become a game of who has the lower latency, and unlike wow camping corpses isnt that easy, people have better things to do and its not like theres anything on your ship people would want, oh and before i forget RANCER LOLZ FOOLS FLY THROUGH RANCER Me? im just sitting here,
Karbo Greed	Posted - 2010.07.05 09:59:00 - [332] You guys are stupid. Ekrid doesn't even play EVE, he just reads about it while waxing his massive ego and guffawing at your silly concepts of "truth" and "logic".
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.07.05 10:11:00 - [333] Ok, let's see... "EHP 12,000. Resists 66.2/80.1/74.6/76.8" -> but in what order ? Traditional is EM/EXP/KIN/TH, but I have a feeling you might have listed your armor resists in order of EXP/EM/KIN/TH. Or, hell knows. Let's just assume for now (in your favor) that the 66.2 is the explosive and 80.1 the EM, so you take roughly 1/4 damage vs the kin/thermal of blasters. [ 11:03:17 ] (notify) ENEMY [CHEER](Proteus) has started trying to warp scramble you! [ 11:03:18 ] (combat) Heavy Neutron Blaster II belonging to ENEMY barely scratches you, causing 928.1 damage. [ 11:03:21 ] (combat) Heavy Neutron Blaster II belonging to ENEMY lightly hits you, doing 840.4 damage. If the log is genuine, then you're now already taken some armor damage, all shield gone (max possible shield HP would have been 1.7k, which you probably didn't have anywhere close to it), shield which had lower resists (and at most around 3k EHP, but probably quite lower), otherwise the damage amounts and damage text make no sense. How much shield did you have, and was it FULL when the battle started ? Because I have a feeling it was NOT full. [ 11:03:24 ] (combat) Warrior II belonging to ENEMY hits you, doing 25.3 damage. [ 11:03:24 ] (combat) Warrior II belonging to ENEMY lightly hits you, doing 18.4 damage. [ 11:03:24 ] (combat) Warrior II belonging to ENEMY hits you, doing 22.0 damage. [ 11:03:24 ] (combat) Warrior II belonging to ENEMY barely scratches you, causing 9.2 damage. [ 11:03:24 ] (combat) Warrior II belonging to ENEMY heavily hits you, inflicting 35.3 damage. A maxed-out, no-ship-bonus Warrior II will deal an average of slightly 64 average damage per shot, between 32 and 96 raw damage depending on (non-critical) hit quality. If 66.2 was your explosive resist (so taking about 1/3 damage), the "regular" hits would have been around 66 and 75, which looks about right... but then you have the "heavily hits you" one which would mean a raw 104 damage dealt, which is a bit suspicious, but then again, probably some shield might have just regenerated and it hit slightly harder against slightly lower shield resists. Meh, let's just say it's ok, but go on record to say the Proteus was NOT using the drone damage subsystem. [ 11:03:24 ] (combat) Heavy Neutron Blaster II belonging to ENEMY hits you, doing 1028.1 damage. About here your armor (of which you couldn't have had more than 2.3k of to begin with)) is as good as gone. [ 11:03:27 ] (combat) Heavy Neutron Blaster II belonging to ENEMY heavily hits you, inflicting 1514.2 damage. This is the only certain hit against armor you received, and you notice how it is mentioned it's a "heavy hit", so it could have dealt up to 150% of nominal damage. Probably closer to 130% though. Basically, that should put the nominal damage of the blasters at around 4.6k per volley. Let's get back to that. [ 11:03:28 ] (combat) Warrior II belonging to ENEMY hits you, doing 24.3 damage. [ 11:03:28 ] (combat) Warrior II belonging to ENEMY misses you completely. [ 11:03:28 ] (combat) Warrior II belonging to ENEMY misses you completely. [ 11:03:28 ] (combat) Warrior II belonging to ENEMY hits you, doing 33.6 damage. [ 11:03:28 ] (combat) Warrior II belonging to ENEMY misses you completely. That last damage was already mostly against hull HP (not all of it, but at least a portion), and the drones also hit against hull. [ 11:03:30 ] (notify) Warping to Rancer VI - Asteroid Belt 2 [ 11:03:30 ] (notify) Ship is out of control [...] [ 11:03:31 ] (combat) Heavy Neutron Blaster II belonging to ENEMY heavily hits you, inflicting 1063.4 damage. I suppose that last notification actually came in the wrong order, and that was the hit that actually killed your ship. ... Following up in the next post : the Proteus with somewhere around 4.6k nominal blaster volley damage - just how unlikely is that ? _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
1Ekrid1	Posted - 2010.07.05 10:11:00 - [334] Edited by: 1Ekrid1 on 05/07/2010 10:15:29 I feel like brian when he was trying to rationalize with those small minded crowds interrupting him and requiring him to make up names on the spot, and then questioning him because he did it, whilst some deranged beggar is trying to haggle with him on the side of his speech over a gourd he didnt want. akita, you know that the damage text is buggered right? If it says "scratch" that means for one of its guns, not the whole group. same thing happened when "scratched" for ~300 damage by a few cruiser guns just because they were grouped. a scratch with a single gun is ~19-20, so even 7 cruiser guns should not have "scratched" for ~300, the only possibility being that the main gun the flavor text came from scratched, while the others did more than scratches, but since being grouped, did not show their flavor text as well. There's 1, repeat 1, frigate in the T1 lineup designed to be a suicide tackler. the rest are for COMBAT. so don't tell me to tackle when I'm in a combat T1 frig. OR tell CCP to fix their mess.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.07.05 10:14:00 - [335] Edited by: Tippia on 05/07/2010 10:15:19 Originally by: 1Ekrid1 I feel like brian when he was trying to rationalize with those small minded crowds interrupting him and requiring him to make up names on the spot, and then questioning him because he did it, whilst some deranged beggar is trying to haggle with him on the side of his speech over a gourd he didnt want. We're not requiring you to make up names on the spot ù we want you to provide facts. We are willing to accept "I don't have any" as an answer. In fact, we are not willing to accept things that are obviously made up on the spot (and these things are very simple to check). Also, damn you Akita! I wanted to do a blow-for-blow! Skulks off to do one anyway ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Karbo Greed	Posted - 2010.07.05 10:21:00 - [336] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 (insert lame-ass retort in the form of a nonsensical anecdote here) The hell man, when all else fails resort to being bat**** insane?
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.07.05 10:24:00 - [337] Originally by: Tippia Also, damn you Akita! I wanted to do a blow-for-blow! Skulks off to do one anyway His log only makes any sense if the Proteus was decked-out with the best of the best of everything and over the top plus implants, max-skills pilot AND a critical failure of the log text to report the even more unlikely multiple-wrecking hits of most of the Proteus' blasters. _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Halcyon Ingenium Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse	Posted - 2010.07.05 10:24:00 - [338] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 Edited by: 1Ekrid1 on 05/07/2010 10:15:29 I feel like brian when he was trying to rationalize with those small minded crowds interrupting him and requiring him to make up names on the spot, and then questioning him because he did it, whilst some deranged beggar is trying to haggle with him on the side of his speech over a gourd he didnt want. akita, you know that the damage text is buggered right? If it says "scratch" that means for one of its guns, not the whole group. same thing happened when "scratched" for ~300 damage by a few cruiser guns just because they were grouped. a scratch with a single gun is ~19-20, so even 7 cruiser guns should not have "scratched" for ~300, the only possibility being that the main gun the flavor text came from scratched, while the others did more than scratches, but since being grouped, did not show their flavor text as well. You are the common element in all of your unsatisfying interactions. Maybe the problem is you? Maybe? Perhaps? Maybe? Yes? Possible? Maybe? Trolls? In my EVE forums? It's more likely than you think...
Karbo Greed	Posted - 2010.07.05 10:32:00 - [339] Long story short, everything he has said has already been proven to be nothing but blatant lies, none of this ever happened, so on and so forth. What DID happen is a bunch of forum regulars doing a bunch of math and investigative work. You gents truly love your craft and this should be treated as nothing more than a training exercise. Carry on, holy crusaders.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.07.05 10:41:00 - [340] Edited by: Akita T on 05/07/2010 10:45:47 _ Well, this latest could have actually happened But it's nothing "overpowered" about the encounter, he was facing a ~840 DPS T3 blasterboat (a Proteus which was heavily supported by implants, faction ammo and overheating). Still, that's no big deal, because under the EXACT SAME circumstances (implants, overheating, etc), a Thorax (a lowly T1 cruiser) would be able to push out ~720 DPS. _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _

Karbo Greed	Posted - 2010.07.05 10:48:00 - [341] Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 05/07/2010 10:43:42 -snip- Quiet you, he speaks nothing but falsehoods. I am wearing my Ekrid pants today, therefore I cannot be wrong.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.07.05 10:51:00 - [342] Originally by: Karbo Greed Quiet you, he speaks nothing but falsehoods. I am wearing my Ekrid pants today, therefore I cannot be wrong. Well, he probably remembered it wrong and invented the previous logs. The latest log, while believable, if accurate, completely fails to support his original viewpoint. So, yeah, he indirectly still "speaks falsehoods", just a different kind _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Mari Seles	Posted - 2010.07.05 10:52:00 - [343] Hell, a brutix can dish out over 1k dps if it's a gank fit boat(and you enter drones as well) under those conditions. Yeah not overpowered at all.
1Ekrid1	Posted - 2010.07.05 10:59:00 - [344] Originally by: Halcyon Ingenium Originally by: 1Ekrid1 Edited by: 1Ekrid1 on 05/07/2010 10:15:29 I feel like brian when he was trying to rationalize with those small minded crowds interrupting him and requiring him to make up names on the spot, and then questioning him because he did it, whilst some deranged beggar is trying to haggle with him on the side of his speech over a gourd he didnt want. akita, you know that the damage text is buggered right? If it says "scratch" that means for one of its guns, not the whole group. same thing happened when "scratched" for ~300 damage by a few cruiser guns just because they were grouped. a scratch with a single gun is ~19-20, so even 7 cruiser guns should not have "scratched" for ~300, the only possibility being that the main gun the flavor text came from scratched, while the others did more than scratches, but since being grouped, did not show their flavor text as well. You are the common element in all of your unsatisfying interactions. Maybe the problem is you? Maybe? Perhaps? Maybe? Yes? Possible? Maybe? I never underestimate group think and mob mentality. you perhaps do? maybe? silly sheeple. Originally by: Karbo Greed Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 05/07/2010 10:43:42 -snip- Quiet you, he speaks nothing but falsehoods. I am wearing my Ekrid pants today, therefore I cannot be wrong. But then you're just wearing your own skin as pants.. WOooby wooop, woooby. wooooooooooby want your average eve thread locked arbitrarily? call 1-900-applebabe.
Karbo Greed	Posted - 2010.07.05 11:01:00 - [345] Edited by: Karbo Greed on 05/07/2010 11:05:12 In all honesty though, this it too reminiscent of the time a friend of mine started playing eve, trained directly to BS, lost 2 abbas to random small ships, then complained about how imbalanced the ships in the game were. Side note: Neither of the abbas were insured. Of course once I informed him that he needed better skills he understood and admitted he was wrong, rather than resorting to posting in **tardese. (see post above mine.)
Jommis The Vuvuzela Corp The Veyr Collective	Posted - 2010.07.05 11:16:00 - [346] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 so a T3 can be blobbed, and lose their ship. great. that means nothing to pilots that cant afford T3 ships, and thats not really the same risk other pilots run. It's not that fun learning T3 sub skills over and over
Kleiner Vance Caldari	Posted - 2010.07.05 11:51:00 - [347] Ok....now you are being paranoid. You just basically accused us of being crazy. this is getting more entertaining by the minute. Also, my T3 got killed last week, they are NOT overpowered.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.07.05 12:08:00 - [348] Let's just put it nicely: your logs are not consistent with what you claim about your ship. Let's see if we can match the two up and reconstruct the scenario. Assuming: Maller; all tanking-related skills at III; T1 DC, Thermic, Kinetic, and Explosive Hardeners and EANM. EM/Th/Kn/Ex resist order: á8/26/45/54 shield resists ù 1620 HP 68/79/76/74 armour resists ù 2156 HP (close enoughà) 50/50/50/50 hull resists ù 1977 HP 14,700 EHP (omni) ← Oops!à and it's 15,900 vs. antimatterà 1st Blaster volley: ááá→ 928 vs. 45 Kn / 26 Th shield resists → 1482 raw. ááá∴ 692 shield remaining. Base volley damage ~3000 (+ 0.5 for "scratch") 2nd Blaster volley: ááá→ 692 vs. 45 Kn / 26 Th shield resists → 1105 raw. ááá→ 148 vs. 76 Kn / 79 Th armour resists → 649 raw ááá∴ 2008 armour remaining. Base volley damage ~2500 (+ 0.75 for "light"). 1st Drone volley: ááá→ 25 vs 74 Ex armour resist → 96 raw. ááá→ 18 vs 74 Ex armour resist → 69 raw. ááá→ 22 vs 74 Ex armour resist → 84 raw. ááá→ 9 vs 74 Ex armour resist → 34 raw. ááá→ 35 vs 74 Ex armour resist → 134 raw. ááá∴ 1899 armour remaining. Base volley damage ~85. 3rd Blaster volley: ááá→ 1024 vs 76 Kn / 79 Th armour resists → 4491 raw. ááá∴ 875 armour remaining. Base volley damage ~4500. 4th Blaster volley: ááá→ 875 vs 76 Kn / 79 Th armour resists → 3837 raw. ááá→ 639 vs 50 Kn / 50 Th hull resists → 1278 raw. ááá∴ 1338 hull remaining. Base volley damage ~3500 (+ 1.5 for "heavy"). 2nd Drone volley: ááá→ 23 vs 50 Ex hull resist → 46 raw. ááá→ 34 vs 50 Ex hull resist → 74 raw. ááá∴ 1281 hull remaining. Base volley damage ~60. 5th Blaster volley: ááá→ 1063 vs 50 Kn / 50 Th hull resists → 2126 raw. ááá∴ 218 hull remaining. Base volley damage ~1500 (+ 1.5 for "heavy") Apart from those 218 hull remaining (which could be explained by the disparity in EHP between the close-enough fit I managed to cobble together and the EHP you've claimed), this is pretty much what would have happened if your log and your ship stats are accurateà and you were flying a Maller. There's just one tiiiiny problem: the base volley damage has a 300% variance, which just won't happen (not to mention that some of the volleys areà a tad optimistic ù a full battery of Heavy Neutrons will have problems getting above 3k raw damage, and at that point, the ship starts to look cheap compared to what else you need to bring along). ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Isil Rahsen Gallente Ferrum Superum	Posted - 2010.07.05 12:17:00 - [349] Nice breakdown, though I fully expect ekrid to herp a derp at you.
Ressiv	Posted - 2010.07.05 12:39:00 - [350] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 Edited by: 1Ekrid1 on 29/06/2010 08:41:34 co proc is fail on a cruiser, use a reactor control, nublet. additionally, you're putting a battleship/carrier size plate on. enjoy the 10 seconds to align? how about making the MWD that much more fail since you're gimping your speed with so much mass addition to your ship via the plate? there's a reason you should stick to your own ships. .... OMFG!!! ... yeah, by all means, stick to shutles dumbass !

Halcyon Ingenium Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse	Posted - 2010.07.05 12:48:00 - [351] Edited by: Halcyon Ingenium on 05/07/2010 12:49:52 Originally by: 1Ekrid1 Edited by: 1Ekrid1 on 05/07/2010 11:27:47 Originally by: Halcyon Ingenium Originally by: 1Ekrid1 Edited by: 1Ekrid1 on 05/07/2010 10:15:29 I feel like brian when he was trying to rationalize with those small minded crowds interrupting him and requiring him to make up names on the spot, and then questioning him because he did it, whilst some deranged beggar is trying to haggle with him on the side of his speech over a gourd he didnt want. akita, you know that the damage text is buggered right? If it says "scratch" that means for one of its guns, not the whole group. same thing happened when "scratched" for ~300 damage by a few cruiser guns just because they were grouped. a scratch with a single gun is ~19-20, so even 7 cruiser guns should not have "scratched" for ~300, the only possibility being that the main gun the flavor text came from scratched, while the others did more than scratches, but since being grouped, did not show their flavor text as well. You are the common element in all of your unsatisfying interactions. Maybe the problem is you? Maybe? Perhaps? Maybe? Yes? Possible? Maybe? I never underestimate group think and mob mentality. you perhaps do? maybe? silly sheeple. Nice. Because when an individual makes a nusiance of himself, and generally annoys other people, it is they who are the problem, because they aren't individualistic enough. I've heard this rhetoric before, from those with assburgers syndrome. I think I've figured you out. Your not a troll, your an assburger. That's why you persist in your delusion long after being shown to be wrong. As pointed out before, a real troll would have just posted and stopped, laughing with glee at the **** storm; you however honestly believe you are right, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. You substitute insults for counter arguments, and tout this as intellectual superiority. Your an aspie, which means that you are going to be this boards epic lolcow for a very long time, hopefully for as long as the game exists. Trolls? In my EVE forums? It's more likely than you think...
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2010.07.05 12:58:00 - [352] Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 05/07/2010 12:58:45 Originally by: 1Ekrid1 Edited by: 1Ekrid1 on 05/07/2010 00:46:17 you guys *** and whine about log sure Ill give one thats because you know T3 is OP. I got back to my comp that runs eve today, here you go you whiney carebear tools. Quote: [ 2010.06.27 11:03:10 ] (notify) Warping to Rancer VI - Asteroid Belt 2 [ 2010.06.27 11:03:17 ] (notify) Daruskito [CHEER](Proteus) has started trying to warp scramble you! [ 2010.06.27 11:03:18 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Heavy Neutron Blaster II belonging to Daruskito barely scratches you, causing 928.1 damage. [ 2010.06.27 11:03:21 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Heavy Neutron Blaster II belonging to Daruskito lightly hits you, doing 840.4 damage. [ 2010.06.27 11:03:23 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your group of Heavy Modal Pulse Laser I hits Daruskito [CHEER](Proteus), doing 296.0 damage. [ 2010.06.27 11:03:24 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Warrior II belonging to Daruskito hits you, doing 25.3 damage. [ 2010.06.27 11:03:24 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Warrior II belonging to Daruskito lightly hits you, doing 18.4 damage. [ 2010.06.27 11:03:24 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Warrior II belonging to Daruskito hits you, doing 22.0 damage. [ 2010.06.27 11:03:24 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Warrior II belonging to Daruskito barely scratches you, causing 9.2 damage. [ 2010.06.27 11:03:24 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Warrior II belonging to Daruskito heavily hits you, inflicting 35.3 damage. [ 2010.06.27 11:03:24 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Heavy Neutron Blaster II belonging to Daruskito hits you, doing 1028.1 damage. [ 2010.06.27 11:03:26 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your group of Heavy Modal Pulse Laser I hits Daruskito [CHEER](Proteus), doing 307.7 damage. [ 2010.06.27 11:03:27 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Heavy Neutron Blaster II belonging to Daruskito heavily hits you, inflicting 1514.2 damage. [ 2010.06.27 11:03:28 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Warrior II belonging to Daruskito hits you, doing 24.3 damage. [ 2010.06.27 11:03:28 ] (combat) Warrior II belonging to Daruskito misses you completely. [ 2010.06.27 11:03:28 ] (combat) Warrior II belonging to Daruskito misses you completely. [ 2010.06.27 11:03:28 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Warrior II belonging to Daruskito hits you, doing 33.6 damage. [ 2010.06.27 11:03:28 ] (combat) Warrior II belonging to Daruskito misses you completely. [ 2010.06.27 11:03:30 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your group of Heavy Modal Pulse Laser I hits Daruskito [CHEER](Proteus), doing 340.8 damage. [ 2010.06.27 11:03:30 ] (notify) Warping to Rancer VI - Asteroid Belt 2 [ 2010.06.27 11:03:30 ] (notify) Warping to Rancer VI - Asteroid Belt 2 [ 2010.06.27 11:03:30 ] (notify) Ship is out of control [ 2010.06.27 11:03:30 ] (notify) Warping to Rancer VI - Asteroid Belt 2 [ 2010.06.27 11:03:30 ] (notify) Ship is out of control [ 2010.06.27 11:03:30 ] (notify) Warping to Rancer VI - Asteroid Belt 2 [ 2010.06.27 11:03:31 ] (notify) Warping to Rancer VI - Asteroid Belt 2 [ 2010.06.27 11:03:31 ] (notify) Ship is out of control [ 2010.06.27 11:03:31 ] (notify) Ship is out of control [ 2010.06.27 11:03:31 ] (notify) Warping to Rancer VI - Asteroid Belt 2 [ 2010.06.27 11:03:31 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Heavy Neutron Blaster II belonging to Daruskito heavily hits you, inflicting 1063.4 damage. EHP 12,000. Resists 66.2/80.1/74.6/76.8 maybe now you dumb *es will shut up. Im sure you CCP fanboiy fappers will love this: A proteus with a fail T1 fit takes 26k damage, and requires 11 people to kill them, WITH A FAIL FIT. Ekrid, you're so full of **. This killmail you just linked up is from yesterday, according to the killboard. You, again, in your infinite stupidity changed the dates thinking everyone would buy it. This isn't the kill from the OP. Why don't you link up the log from the OP? Try again. Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!
Karbo Greed	Posted - 2010.07.05 12:58:00 - [353] Originally by: Halcyon Ingenium Nice. Because when an individual makes a nusiance of himself, and generally annoys other people, it is they who are the problem, because they aren't individualistic enough. I've heard this rhetoric before, from those with assburgers syndrome. I think I've figured you out. Your not a troll, your an assburger. That's why you persist in your delusion long after being shown to be wrong. As pointed out before, a real troll would have just posted and stopped, laughing with glee at the **** storm; you however honestly believe you are right, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. You substitute insults for counter arguments, and tout this as intellectual superiority. Your an aspie, which means that you are going to be this boards epic lolcow for a very long time, hopefully for as long as the game exists. By jove, I think he's got it! Excellent deduction, fine sir!
Balsak Minmatar Friends of Bigfoot	Posted - 2010.07.05 12:59:00 - [354] Originally by: Halcyon Ingenium assburgers, epic lolcow Sounds yummy, I will take two please. nomnomnomnom
Isil Rahsen Gallente Ferrum Superum	Posted - 2010.07.05 13:03:00 - [355] Originally by: Halcyon Ingenium Nice. Because when an individual makes a nusiance of himself, and generally annoys other people, it is they who are the problem, because they aren't individualistic enough. I've heard this rhetoric before, from those with assburgers syndrome. I think I've figured you out. Your not a troll, your an assburger. That's why you persist in your delusion long after being shown to be wrong. As pointed out before, a real troll would have just posted and stopped, laughing with glee at the ** storm; you however honestly believe you are right, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. You substitute insults for counter arguments, and tout this as intellectual superiority. Your an aspie, which means that you are going to be this boards epic lolcow** for a very long time, hopefully for as long as the game exists. You sir have won this thread.
Ava Starfire Minmatar Nordanverdr Modr	Posted - 2010.07.05 14:52:00 - [356] Ekrid...you suck at pvp. Its ok, this isnt an insult. Your just horrible (inexperienced, whatever) at it. You flew a crapfit T1 "something" up against a guy hanging around in Rancer in a T3. I also notice that you were warping to a BELT before the fight; you were either 1) damaged already, trying to evade, and picked the worst possible thing to warp to (a belt) or 2) had scanned him down, and you initiated the fight. You could have simply avoided this fight all together in so many ways, it isnt funny. You lost your ship because you are a poor pilot. Evade T3 or find a way to kill them. Both are very very possible. Let me spin this another way; do you seriously think you should be able to fly a T1 crapboat, with failfit, and engage anything else (like, oh, experienced pilots in T3 ships with gank fits) and that you should be able to win, every time? Wow. Stupid. Space is fun!
Ascendic Brotherhood of Suicidal Priests R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.07.05 15:35:00 - [357] Edited by: Ascendic on 05/07/2010 15:36:02 Originally by: Balsak Originally by: Halcyon Ingenium assburgers, epic lolcow Sounds yummy, I will take two please. nomnomnomnom Dude......how stoned were your parents when they named you?
Balsak Minmatar Friends of Bigfoot	Posted - 2010.07.05 15:54:00 - [358] Edited by: Balsak on 05/07/2010 15:58:01 Edit: Nevermind, misclicked.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.07.05 21:33:00 - [359] Originally by: Ava Starfire Let me spin this another way; do you seriously think you should be able to fly a T1 crapboat, with failfit, and engage anything else (like, oh, experienced pilots in T3 ships with gank fits) and that you should be able to ~~win, every time~~ ever stand a chance of not dying very fast and with absolute certainty ? Fix'd _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
1Ekrid1	Posted - 2010.07.06 03:07:00 - [360] did I ever say I should win? Im saying instant death is stupid and not balanced. Originally by: Herr Wilkus Probably just a way to take care of T3, which most people acknowledge is broken. Of course, this will just reward old players at the expense of newer players, providing plenty of 'I win' buttons that the newb players can't compete with. The T1 ships, especially with the insurance nerf are going to just be punchingbags that explode nice and provide KM's for the old and experienced that can afford increasingly rare T3 tech in the future. http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1348667 smart man is smart Please do not discuss moderation in your signature. Navigator

Yuki Kulotsuki	Posted - 2010.07.06 05:02:00 - [361] 21 seconds is far from an instagib. And based on your fit and tactics that's more than you probably deserved. But when confronted with actual analysis and arguments it's far easier to just fall back to restating your flawed premise with no support. Originally by: CCP Lemur THIS IS GOD: ... IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE REQUESTS I'M AVAILABLE SUNDAY FROM 10:30 TO 12:00 TO RECEIVE YOUR PRAYERS.
Scott Ryder Amarr art of eve Gunmen of the Apocalypse	Posted - 2010.07.06 05:26:00 - [362] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 did I ever say I should win? Im saying instant death is stupid and not balanced. Originally by: Herr Wilkus Probably just a way to take care of T3, which most people acknowledge is broken. Of course, this will just reward old players at the expense of newer players, providing plenty of 'I win' buttons that the newb players can't compete with. The T1 ships, especially with the insurance nerf are going to just be punchingbags that explode nice and provide KM's for the old and experienced that can afford increasingly rare T3 tech in the future. http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1348667 smart man is smart You wanted a long epic battle with a failfit maller and a gankfit proteus The dumb is strong in you sir
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.07.06 05:27:00 - [363] Edited by: Akita T on 06/07/2010 05:34:41 Originally by: 1Ekrid1 did I ever say I should win? I'm saying instant death is stupid and not balanced. Approximately 15 seconds to die (from scramble to pop) against a gank-fit when you're flying in a 12k EHP ship is nowhere near "instant death", it's business as usual. You would have lasted 18 seconds (maybe 21 seconds tops), a mere 3 seconds more (one extra volley, or maybe two tops) against a similarly fit THORAX (a T1 cruiser) flown by the exact same pilot in exactly the same fashion. Let me guess, you NEXT comment would be "NERF BLASTERBOATS" ?!? Or just "Nerf Thorax !" ? Oh, wait, I get it... it would be "Gallente is overpowerraaar!!!11111oneone" _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Zions Child Caldari Carthage Industries	Posted - 2010.07.06 05:29:00 - [364] lol troll is lol. Also, props to Akita and Tippia for amazing maths breaking down both log sets. <3 Seriously, this is one of the funniest troll threads I've seen in a long time. If its not, well, thank natural selection for evolution! Originally by: CCP Shadow snip Castration successful. Shadow.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.07.06 05:36:00 - [365] Nah, he just completely sucks at PvP and he thinks he doesn't. _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Amanda Mor Gallente	Posted - 2010.07.06 05:42:00 - [366] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 did I ever say I should win? Im saying instant death is stupid and not balanced. Originally by: Herr Wilkus Probably just a way to take care of T3, which most people acknowledge is broken. Of course, this will just reward old players at the expense of newer players, providing plenty of 'I win' buttons that the newb players can't compete with. The T1 ships, especially with the insurance nerf are going to just be punchingbags that explode nice and provide KM's for the old and experienced that can afford increasingly rare T3 tech in the future. http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1348667 smart man is smart Hey, it only took him a week to furiously search the forums for someone, anyone, who kinda agrees with him. If only I can find a quote somewhere on these forums of people who disagree with you and think you're an idiot - but where would I find that? ---------------------------------------------- I don't have an alt, but there's a main that would be upset if he heard me say that...
1Ekrid1	Posted - 2010.07.06 06:51:00 - [367] I think its funny you believe that I'm "furiously" trying anything. I came across it and just pasted it for edification. people usually accuse others of what they're doing themselves. Anyone send me a mail in game for the alt of applebabe? I have some hunting to do
BeanBagKing Ch3mic4l Warfare STR8NGE BREW	Posted - 2010.07.06 06:53:00 - [368] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 people usually accuse others of what they're doing themselves. Confirming Amanda had to furiously try to find the post she linked.
1Ekrid1	Posted - 2010.07.06 07:34:00 - [369] Originally by: BeanBagKing Originally by: 1Ekrid1 people usually accuse others of what they're doing themselves. Confirming Amanda had to furiously try to find the post she linked. probably. cant expect too much from idiots. Anyone send me a mail in game for the alt of applebabe? I have some hunting to do
Ravenclaw2kk	Posted - 2010.07.06 08:24:00 - [370] This thread is too long to read but i wanna throw my 2c in anyway. T3s are far from overpowered. I was recently baited by a tengu then blobbed by 3 more. Got the original bait ship down to 10Percent shield before his mates showed up. i only realized afterwards i forgot to overheat. in short t3 are far from invunerable even when you are using t1 ships and mods.

Mari Seles	Posted - 2010.07.06 08:33:00 - [371] Dude, seriously read the threat, you're missing out on some epic idiocy on the op's part. He redefines stupid,lying looser here.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.07.06 09:03:00 - [372] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 probably. cant expect too much from idiots. You mean like reading the threads they link and figure out that it's all just sarcasm and poking fun at the current wave of rumourmongering. Quote: did I ever say I should win? Im saying instant death is stupid and not balanced. Good thing that we don't see any of that, thenà well, apart from the occasional DDD, but those are attached to so many other limitations that it balances out anyway. Or do you have any good example of said "instant death" and lack of balance?
Zions Child Caldari Carthage Industries	Posted - 2010.07.06 18:03:00 - [373] Originally by: Tippia Or do you have any good example of said "instant death" and lack of balance? PLEASE DON'T LEAD HIM TO THE ARTY TEMPESTS! PLEEEEAAAAASE! Originally by: CCP Shadow snip Castration successful. Shadow.
Captain Yifan Shadows Of The Requiem Everto Rex Regis	Posted - 2010.07.06 18:28:00 - [374] With your 12k EHP maller fit, I can kill you in 30 seconds in another maller. The maller is overpowered nerf the maller Oh wait
BrundleMeth Caldari Temporal Mechanics	Posted - 2010.07.06 18:52:00 - [375] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 cant expect too much from idiots. You said it buddy, that's why NO ONE here expects much from you. CCP please start banning people from these forums and give us a break from the mom's basement dwellers...
Ravenclaw2kk	Posted - 2010.07.09 06:07:00 - [376] Originally by: Mari Seles Dude, seriously read the threat, you're missing out on some epic idiocy on the op's part. He redefines stupid,lying looser here. ok, i finally got round to reading the whole thing and ...... Jesus! The only thing that would make this funnier is if ekrid were a ceo and the ieee decided to investigate. On a serious note, ekrid, you really should listen to what these people are telling you. They are right and you are wrong. Thats all there is to it. Next time dont exadurate the facts, people here are not stupid.
Halcyon Ingenium Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse	Posted - 2010.07.09 07:55:00 - [377] Edited by: Halcyon Ingenium on 09/07/2010 07:55:57 Originally by: 1Ekrid1 I think its funny you believe that I'm "furiously" trying anything. I came across it and just pasted it for *edification*. people usually accuse others of what they're doing themselves. The only thing edifying about anything in this thread is its entertainment value. Even if it could somehow be proven that the T3 ships are overpowered, you still have not made a convincing case for how it "ruins" the game. Trolls? In my EVE forums? It's more likely than you think...


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