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King Gore Sword and Pistol	Posted - 2010.06.29 09:29:00 - [91] Edited by: King Gore on 29/06/2010 09:30:41 Edited by: King Gore on 29/06/2010 09:30:29 Edited by: King Gore on 29/06/2010 09:30:22 [Punisher, ac] Small Armor Repairer II 200mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Gyrostabilizer II Adaptive Nano Plating II Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters Warp Scrambler II 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S 5W Infectious Power System Malfunction Small Capacitor Control Circuit I Small Capacitor Control Circuit I Small Capacitor Control Circuit I I bet this could beat the OP's 'cruiser fit'. EDIT: Also, gtfo my forums. - Originally by: Verone Happy Ishtar is extremely happy Originally by: Kahn Souphanousinphone I thought I was going to live next to a powerful man, now I just live next to power.
Shintai Gallente Arx Io Orbital Factories Arx Io	Posted - 2010.06.29 09:33:00 - [92] Edited by: Shintai on 29/06/2010 09:34:11 AT8, T1 BCs etc eating T3 ships alive. CCP ahvent ruined their game like other MMOs. Who changes everything to mandatory to win. Buy expansion or lose. The last 7 years I only seen EvE go forward. Sure I miss a few things. But those things was possible with 6000 players and not 350000 players. -------------------------------------- Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry
Baneken Gallente Aseveljet	Posted - 2010.06.29 09:34:00 - [93] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 Edited by: 1Ekrid1 on 29/06/2010 03:05:58 tell me, you thikn a cruiser should be able to tank 180 DPS, while doing 1400 per volley? T2 drones obviously included. and MWD at 3km/s? Well it better would, when even my Ishkur does a shy over 200dps and a Thorax can have EHP's between 12k - 53k and dps volley from 480 - 1448dps. Both fits are slow as hell but thats beside the point here obviously. http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.06.29 13:05:00 - [94] Originally by: Tippia For those of you asking that Ekrid posts logs and/or killmail, the problem is that the last time he did that (trying to show that the mechanics for sig/speed tanking larger guns didn't work), the logs showed that the mechanics worked perfectlyà and that didn't go over well with him. So I think he'll do just about anything to stay away from that particular trap this time. _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
ZenSun Total Mayhem. Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2010.06.29 13:13:00 - [95] Dont quote me on this, but I am pretty sure that if you fit a t3 in order for it to evade gatecamps/bubbles and such, they are fairly useless pvp boats. Damn right, for the price and risk people pay, they should easily be able to destroy a t1 20/30mil fitted cruiser. To me your thread is unbalanced and not particularly productive, its just a whine.
David Grogan Gallente	Posted - 2010.06.29 13:23:00 - [96] Edited by: David Grogan on 29/06/2010 13:23:07 Originally by: Felix Esperium voting 1ekrid1 for worst new forums poster agreed 1ekrid1 hello kitty online is that way it should be easy enough for you SIG: if my message has spelling errors its cos i fail at typing properly :P
Rashmika Clavain Gallente	Posted - 2010.06.29 13:28:00 - [97] Came here expecting a downtime moan... left disappointed.
drendell	Posted - 2010.06.29 13:29:00 - [98] saftey in numbers they aint that good, seems like your making mountains out of mole hills. i suggest you make some friends if you cant deal with 1 alone. its t3 tech its supposed to be powerful
akuera	Posted - 2010.06.29 13:32:00 - [99] I want T3 Battleships That have the sig radius of a friget, the firepower of a dred and tank of a titan. And I want it to cost 500 billion in super rare sleeper loot. Is that too much to ask? what is wrong with having an awsum ship if it cost alot and needs extensive skilltraning to get? Is that no the that the point of a titan? Titans take a blob to bring down and will insta own its smaller brothers and sisters.
Takashi Halamoto No Limit Productions Looney Toons.	Posted - 2010.06.29 13:38:00 - [100] i do love the OP's fundamental logical flaw that ship balance is based on hull size, ergo all cruiser hulls should be equal ROFLMAO balance is based on capabilities and fittings, Frinstane me and my mate in Huginns laugh at dramiels and vagabonds as they GTFO or die, vs a battleship we melt like the fools we were, is the battleship overpowered? no we just brought tacklepower ships vs a brick, id not want to solo a Maller in a Huginn as the gold brick has a good chance, give me a vagabond or other WTF damage speed tanker though and i will laugh at his laser tracking and slug speed and seriously post the kill mail as i believe you screwed up the fit on a maller a ship that can have enough ehp even on its weak resists to play in battlecruiser levels Me? im just sitting here,

Laina Delapore Caldari Red Sun Industries	Posted - 2010.06.29 13:43:00 - [101] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 [Whining] By extension, your argument implies that anything that can kill a T1 cruiser has ruined EVE. Plenty of T3s out there dying to small gangs, not 25 to 1. Likewise, plenty of T2 cruisers out there dying to less than 5 to 1 odds. Of course you will still see younger players in lowsec when it's "completely populated with T3s." People will still need cyno alts.
Milo Caman Gallente Anshar Incorporated	Posted - 2010.06.29 13:46:00 - [102] Originally by: King Gore EDIT: Also, gtfo my forums. My god, seconded, Get back under your damn bridge Ekrid. --- Originally by: Sarina Berghil I think the reason your guns didn't work is because you're trying to hunt squirrels with Howitzers.
Kazuros	Posted - 2010.06.29 13:48:00 - [103] Apparently there are people in this thread that haven't witnessed what happens to a T3 when it gets neuted. Something about sitting in a very, VERY expensive cruiser comes to mind.
Mixed Signals Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2010.06.29 13:54:00 - [104] Where can I buy this fantasy boat with a IWIN button to do a couple thousand dps, tank like there's no tomorrow and fly faster than Superman?? Plix point me in the right direction :( Also - I see no killmails posted yet :( I'm a sad bunny
Titen	Posted - 2010.06.29 13:55:00 - [105] It's an isk ratio that decides risk, not whether or not an individual thinks 1 v 1 must always have an equal chance. Might as well say Battleships are overpowered because they can kill a Frigate. Assume a decently fit BS has 120m isk invested in it. How many cruisers can you field at that price.. 8? 10? How many frigates? 20? 30? Put 8 cruisers against a BS and the BS dies. Put 20 frigs against a BS and the BS dies. And there is the risk. Isk. Put 750m worth of non-T3 ships up against a single T3 ship and the strategic cruiser will more than likely go PoP. Sure, it can cloak up and hide - but so can other ships in-game that cost far less. The basis of the OP seems to be a 1 vs 1 scenario, where there are no real options to choose from - other than another T3 ship - to counter the power of a strategic cruiser. And that is how it should be. Or.. are T1 frigs underpowered (and unfair) because they can't solo a carrier?
Rocky Deadshot	Posted - 2010.06.29 13:56:00 - [106] Originally by: Daemonio Who would win in a fight, a modern jet fighter, or a WWI prop plane? grossly ******ed fail quote you picked up from other braindead types who regurgitate that in response to any balancing thread. you might say its more like an F15 vs an F22. That should be the diffence, but you are correct, they ahve made it the difference of a wright brothers plane to a F-22. 3 seconds and dead is not balance, no matter how you cut it. Actually OP, I'ld say a T3 SC to a T1 BC is about the f22 v f15, seeing as 2 f22's toke out 20 f15s in its first trial run, all without being detected. Atleast the BCs could get a target lock Also ... why dont you just get one for yourself? oh wait ur probably some dumb drake pilot that lacks any skills
Haramir Haleths Caldari Nutella Bande	Posted - 2010.06.29 14:09:00 - [107] That is what happen when EFT Warrior Login and play the game.
Enkilil Minmatar Thirteen Ninety Three	Posted - 2010.06.29 14:12:00 - [108] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 I got omgwtfpwned by a T3 Cruiser in my Vexor. It's not fair! Bawwww! I don't have any skills and therefore the game isn't balanced! Someone give me some attention! Did I pretty much get that right?
Michelle Vega	Posted - 2010.06.29 14:15:00 - [109] I flew all races of t3 ships and sold them all after I realised it was the "Iwin" button of Eve. Now I am much happier in PVP since it's more even and the risks are greater. I never lost any of the t3's in any battle - which made the game pointless. Or maybe I was lucky.
Khalin Gwah	Posted - 2010.06.29 14:20:00 - [110] Originally by: Enkilil Originally by: 1Ekrid1 I got omgwtfpwned by a T3 Cruiser in my Vexor. It's not fair! Bawwww! I don't have any skills and therefore the game isn't balanced! Someone give me some attention! Did I pretty much get that right? Spot on!

Mari Seles	Posted - 2010.06.29 14:21:00 - [111] Originally by: Enkilil Originally by: 1Ekrid1 I got omgwtfpwned by a T3 Cruiser in my Vexor. It's not fair! Bawwww! I don't have any skills and therefore the game isn't balanced! Someone give me some attention! Did I pretty much get that right? He flew a maller actually and had only 12k ehp
Hooded Hauler	Posted - 2010.06.29 14:27:00 - [112] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 Is it supposed to be invincibly better except if theres 25x more T1 ships, more than half of which will die to kill the T3 ship. Bahahahahahah T3 ships are more powerful than T1 but if you lose 12 of them to take one down when you have 25 people, you're doing it wrong
Sealiah Minmatar Coffee Lovers Brewing Club Aegis Militia	Posted - 2010.06.29 14:29:00 - [113] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 T3 ships. seriously. they can kill a T1 cruiser in 4 seconds flat, with drones and tech Ii weapons. how is that in any way balanced. people say "sure you pay a lots and lose skills if yo die in it, so theres the risk". well Ill etll you theoretical risk is meaningless. so a T3 can be blobbed, and lose their ship. great. that means nothing to pilots that cant afford T3 ships, and thats not really the same risk other pilots run. To make it clear, they're saying that the counter to the high power of the T3 is a Blob, hich is what makes it risky. a BLOB. not a fe other ships, a blob. when lowsec becomes completely populated with T3s, we will not see any more faction or T1 or T2 ships in lwosec, we will never see younger players again. hte amount of pwoer the T3 ship has compared to its risk makes its risks laughably small. T3 was a game balance breaking mistake. T2 is supposed to be better than T1. who would deny that? Butw was T2 really meant to be invincib ly better to T1, except if there was 5x more T2 ships? How about t3? Is it supposed to be invincibly better except if theres 25x more T1 ships, more than half of which will die to kill the T3 ship. this game, through this mechanic encourages blobs. Why not T2 and T3 were both quarter steps above the T1 and T2 versions, and with only a quarter of the cost they are now, and so on. Small progression and a little more power for a more hefty pricetag, thats how you run a balanced game that works. CCP, your "game balance" theories are ****. Oh wait... Hmm... A ship of the same size, but costing not 5m for the hull but 450m so... 90 times more... IT CAN'T KILL THE MORE EXPENSIVE SHIP that requires months of more training if you don't use any tactic just 'approach' and shoot? Oh wait... Eliminate all capital ships! Nobody can afford them, right? And battleships! Because a pilot in a t1 frig for 1m isk can't kill the battleship worth 90m isk... Think a bit, get a more expensive, better fitted ship and go fight. And when you kill that t3 cruiser with 4 t1 cruisers - it's your time to hava a luagh!
Johnathan Walker Caldari Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.06.29 14:30:00 - [114] Originally by: Daemonio Who would win in a fight, a modern jet fighter, or a WWI prop plane? the older prop plane of course, duh. Haven't you watched Battlestar Galactica? You know, disabling all the advanced weapon systems including the top of the line fighters? Warmly, "The Bear" JW
ObviousTroll Alt Gallente Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2010.06.29 14:31:00 - [115] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 T3 ships. seriously. they can kill a T1 cruiser in 4 seconds flat, with drones and tech Ii weapons. how is that in any way balanced. people say "sure you pay a lots and lose skills if yo die in it, so theres the risk". well Ill etll you theoretical risk is meaningless. so a T3 can be blobbed, and lose their ship. great. that means nothing to pilots that cant afford T3 ships, and thats not really the same risk other pilots run. To make it clear, they're saying that the counter to the high power of the T3 is a Blob, hich is what makes it risky. a BLOB. not a fe other ships, a blob. when lowsec becomes completely populated with T3s, we will not see any more faction or T1 or T2 ships in lwosec, we will never see younger players again. hte amount of pwoer the T3 ship has compared to its risk makes its risks laughably small. T3 was a game balance breaking mistake. T2 is supposed to be better than T1. who would deny that? Butw was T2 really meant to be invincib ly better to T1, except if there was 5x more T2 ships? How about t3? Is it supposed to be invincibly better except if theres 25x more T1 ships, more than half of which will die to kill the T3 ship. this game, through this mechanic encourages blobs. Why not T2 and T3 were both quarter steps above the T1 and T2 versions, and with only a quarter of the cost they are now, and so on. Small progression and a little more power for a more hefty pricetag, thats how you run a balanced game that works. CCP, your "game balance" theories are ****. Son, I have personally seen a single unsupported Hurricane (that's a Battle Cruiser son, a Battle Cruiser [boys slower than molasses in wintertime]) own a T3.
Johnathan Walker Caldari Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.06.29 14:38:00 - [116] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 T3 ships. seriously. Post with your main, seriously. There's no funny killmaills to look up under !Ekrid1; I was disappointed. Warmly, "The Bear" JW
Lord Xantoh	Posted - 2010.06.29 14:42:00 - [117] Edited by: Lord Xantoh on 29/06/2010 14:42:53 Originally by: Daemonio Who would win in a fight, a modern jet fighter, or a WWI prop plane? Not the best example as it is a tricky one. :) In theory, the WWI prop plane will 'win' as the modern jet fighter can't lock on the prop plane due to its missing/low radar/infrared signature as it is mostly woods and tissue and the modern jet fighter will overshoot the terribly slow prop plane, with the jetfighter pinning itself into the dirt. :P
Dalden V Blue Lounge Industries	Posted - 2010.06.29 14:47:00 - [118] Originally by: ObviousTroll Alt [ Son, I have personally seen a single unsupported Hurricane (that's a Battle Cruiser son, a Battle Cruiser [boys slower than molasses in wintertime]) own a T3. Ahh.. but a Battlecrusier is 'one class higher' than a T3, so it's obvious it will own a T3
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.06.29 15:00:00 - [119] Originally by: Johnathan Walker Post with your main, seriously. There's no funny killmaills to look up under !Ekrid1; I was disappointed. Look for Ekrid instead ù it was his main (for poasting at least) until it got thrown out on its rear end for trolling and swearing too muchà ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
chrisss0r	Posted - 2010.06.29 15:04:00 - [120] 12k Ehp gone in 3 Seconds? wtb 4000 dps t3 ship that can go 5 km/s



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