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sableye
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Posted - 2004.12.24 19:23:00 -
[61]
 Originally by: Captain blackadder
i dont want to pay tax ever
not ingame not out of game !!!!
you already pay it everytime you use the market.
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sableye
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Posted - 2004.12.24 19:23:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Captain blackadder
i dont want to pay tax ever
not ingame not out of game !!!!
you already pay it everytime you use the market.
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Sokudo
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Posted - 2004.12.25 12:32:00 -
[63]
I'm in for the Corp Tax... as a small corp, it'd be a good way to generate spare cash for the factories, offices and so on that we need to keep running, without us having to sit down and work out how much money you need to chuck in...
I *do* agree, though, that there needs to be a 3-day or similar vote to alter the tax rate... this would prevent unscrupulous CEO's from hiking the tax rate suddenly. At the least, there should be a 24 hour delay, so that the majority can read the mails.
But this is something that will be optional - nobodies forcing any corp to adopt it, but it'll be something to help make corps different, depending on their members' philosophies on life, the universe and taxes.
After all, we have death of sorts... why not have the *other* certainty too...? 
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Sokudo
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Posted - 2004.12.25 12:32:00 -
[64]
I'm in for the Corp Tax... as a small corp, it'd be a good way to generate spare cash for the factories, offices and so on that we need to keep running, without us having to sit down and work out how much money you need to chuck in...
I *do* agree, though, that there needs to be a 3-day or similar vote to alter the tax rate... this would prevent unscrupulous CEO's from hiking the tax rate suddenly. At the least, there should be a 24 hour delay, so that the majority can read the mails.
But this is something that will be optional - nobodies forcing any corp to adopt it, but it'll be something to help make corps different, depending on their members' philosophies on life, the universe and taxes.
After all, we have death of sorts... why not have the *other* certainty too...?
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Doeko
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Posted - 2004.12.25 16:42:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Lord Titanus
Edited by: Lord Titanus on 24/12/2004 18:28:04
i did in-fact mean 'exploit' as take more than a fair share, 10% is a LARGE ammount especially when you have several hundred mil in your account, and for the record i have the bestest CEO evvarrgg  and id trust him with everything i own in-game 
Tax doesn't mean the corp wallet gets 10% of what is in your account already, just a whatever percentage (upto 10% I believe, it should be upto 100%, perhaps with a "security feature" that you can only make it go up 10% a day or something)of the total amount that is added to your total balance.
Now, I am wondering when the tax is going to be implemented. It can't be such a hard thing to code, especially since it was already (perhaps a bit buggy, can't say that I really know) in the game one time. It would be nice to know if it will be in the next patch or just soon(TM).
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Doeko
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Posted - 2004.12.25 16:42:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Lord Titanus
Edited by: Lord Titanus on 24/12/2004 18:28:04
i did in-fact mean 'exploit' as take more than a fair share, 10% is a LARGE ammount especially when you have several hundred mil in your account, and for the record i have the bestest CEO evvarrgg and id trust him with everything i own in-game
Tax doesn't mean the corp wallet gets 10% of what is in your account already, just a whatever percentage (upto 10% I believe, it should be upto 100%, perhaps with a "security feature" that you can only make it go up 10% a day or something)of the total amount that is added to your total balance.
Now, I am wondering when the tax is going to be implemented. It can't be such a hard thing to code, especially since it was already (perhaps a bit buggy, can't say that I really know) in the game one time. It would be nice to know if it will be in the next patch or just soon(TM).
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2004.12.26 21:29:00 -
[67]
the taxes as decreiped on the shiva page where you can adjust between 1-10% on anything from agent rewards to market to NPC kills (10 deferent things that each can be adjusted individually) would be extremely nice to get ingame
but even a basic market tax that a corp can set from .1-10% would be good
I dont care if you have a vote or not its proberly a good idear as it is possible to exploit (remeber 10% of 100 mill (the price of a tech II BS) is 10 mill) however again if you are in a corp where you dont trust your CEO/Directors its proberly time to change corp
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2004.12.26 21:29:00 -
[68]
the taxes as decreiped on the shiva page where you can adjust between 1-10% on anything from agent rewards to market to NPC kills (10 deferent things that each can be adjusted individually) would be extremely nice to get ingame
but even a basic market tax that a corp can set from .1-10% would be good
I dont care if you have a vote or not its proberly a good idear as it is possible to exploit (remeber 10% of 100 mill (the price of a tech II BS) is 10 mill) however again if you are in a corp where you dont trust your CEO/Directors its proberly time to change corp
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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2ippy
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Posted - 2004.12.26 21:39:00 -
[69]
i don't know why CCP hasn't prioritised this function. It is a fundemental basic element of the game, there is no good excuse why this ain't been fixed.
zippy
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2ippy
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Posted - 2004.12.26 21:39:00 -
[70]
i don't know why CCP hasn't prioritised this function. It is a fundemental basic element of the game, there is no good excuse why this ain't been fixed.
zippy
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Jennifer 8
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Posted - 2004.12.27 06:38:00 -
[71]
Edited by: Jennifer 8 on 27/12/2004 06:42:43
Hi all,
I have been running a corporation for more than a year now, having mostly good members, but also some who tend to put their personal goals above those of the corporation.
This will always be the case but without any tax, one simply has no fair system of generating profits for the corp, as those members who are donating will always be the loosers.
In EVE, a CEO must have a means to control this situation for providing an economically fair environment for all members. Hey, if a CEO abuses the tax-system, he's just another egoistic idiot... we all know that.
Nevertheless, having a tax system in place does not answer the main question a good CEO has to answer: Where does the money go to return profits to the corp!?
Regards,
Jennifer 8
P.S.: In RL you spend your worktime for a corporation and get your money for that. A corporation in EVE just returns - or should return - a different kind of payment (like ships, materials, etc.). I really wonder who's working in RL for paying the EVE-accounts of some in here...
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Jennifer 8
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Posted - 2004.12.27 06:38:00 -
[72]
Edited by: Jennifer 8 on 27/12/2004 06:42:43
Hi all,
I have been running a corporation for more than a year now, having mostly good members, but also some who tend to put their personal goals above those of the corporation.
This will always be the case but without any tax, one simply has no fair system of generating profits for the corp, as those members who are donating will always be the loosers.
In EVE, a CEO must have a means to control this situation for providing an economically fair environment for all members. Hey, if a CEO abuses the tax-system, he's just another egoistic idiot... we all know that.
Nevertheless, having a tax system in place does not answer the main question a good CEO has to answer: Where does the money go to return profits to the corp!?
Regards,
Jennifer 8
P.S.: In RL you spend your worktime for a corporation and get your money for that. A corporation in EVE just returns - or should return - a different kind of payment (like ships, materials, etc.). I really wonder who's working in RL for paying the EVE-accounts of some in here...
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Aelita
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Posted - 2004.12.27 08:23:00 -
[73]
Definitely, corp taxes are TOP priority as ever was. CCP somehow see it differently and they did remove it at launch. Many of you who do say no taxes we should be pay by corporation how wrong you are:
1st corporation have upkeep and this upkeep need to be played
2nd corporation can supply new members with ISK, stuff and this is why sharing come in play
3rd in beta there was feature called "Shares" it's still present in game but have no other function than voting about "sanctioned acts". In beta CEO had option to pay dividends to share holders.
In fact "taxes" in EVE aren't taxes but something called interest which making profit for corporation. Every member of corporation is asset who does producing interest thru taxes. Then it was possible to pay interest to each shareholder.
TAX was planed as vital part of EVE according to use of SHARES somehow these two features were thrown under desk by CCP development cycle. I see reflections in MARKET implementation. EVE seems to be more PvP centric now than economic based game as it was during BETA stage. Simply because PvP making EVE more sexy for causal players than ECONOMIC aspect in game.
It's a bit problematic because in MMO world there is no similar game with deep economic background like EVE and it draw in more mature players who does like to play monopoly like games. EVE had more faces than average MMO but slow degrading only to uniform face of other MMO games.
Shortly: "CCP WAKE UP TAXES AND SHARES WILL MAKE EVE BETTER"
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Aelita
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Posted - 2004.12.27 08:23:00 -
[74]
Definitely, corp taxes are TOP priority as ever was. CCP somehow see it differently and they did remove it at launch. Many of you who do say no taxes we should be pay by corporation how wrong you are:
1st corporation have upkeep and this upkeep need to be played
2nd corporation can supply new members with ISK, stuff and this is why sharing come in play
3rd in beta there was feature called "Shares" it's still present in game but have no other function than voting about "sanctioned acts". In beta CEO had option to pay dividends to share holders.
In fact "taxes" in EVE aren't taxes but something called interest which making profit for corporation. Every member of corporation is asset who does producing interest thru taxes. Then it was possible to pay interest to each shareholder.
TAX was planed as vital part of EVE according to use of SHARES somehow these two features were thrown under desk by CCP development cycle. I see reflections in MARKET implementation. EVE seems to be more PvP centric now than economic based game as it was during BETA stage. Simply because PvP making EVE more sexy for causal players than ECONOMIC aspect in game.
It's a bit problematic because in MMO world there is no similar game with deep economic background like EVE and it draw in more mature players who does like to play monopoly like games. EVE had more faces than average MMO but slow degrading only to uniform face of other MMO games.
Shortly: "CCP WAKE UP TAXES AND SHARES WILL MAKE EVE BETTER"
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TruthKeeper
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Posted - 2004.12.27 11:06:00 -
[75]
I agree. Corp taxes are needed, important and would improve greatly this wonderful game called EVE.
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TruthKeeper
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Posted - 2004.12.27 11:06:00 -
[76]
I agree. Corp taxes are needed, important and would improve greatly this wonderful game called EVE.
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2004.12.29 02:37:00 -
[77]
again I say PLEASE put those corp taxes in next patch
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2004.12.29 02:37:00 -
[78]
again I say PLEASE put those corp taxes in next patch
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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FatHed
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Posted - 2004.12.29 03:08:00 -
[79]
Screw the taxes, pay dividends on my shares.
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FatHed
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Posted - 2004.12.29 03:08:00 -
[80]
Screw the taxes, pay dividends on my shares.
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Clouse Cloud
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Posted - 2004.12.29 10:47:00 -
[81]
I think corp taxes would help alot. If your corp members are willing to pay the tax and they all agree to it then why not? Its another way of getting your corp some extra income without your members having to struggle to figure out how much to donate to the corp, now they dont have to.
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Clouse Cloud
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Posted - 2004.12.29 10:47:00 -
[82]
I think corp taxes would help alot. If your corp members are willing to pay the tax and they all agree to it then why not? Its another way of getting your corp some extra income without your members having to struggle to figure out how much to donate to the corp, now they dont have to.
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Primer Xenius
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Posted - 2004.12.29 11:08:00 -
[83]
*BUMPAGE*
I've been posting about this for ages.
FACTS:
* Its trivial to do!
* No amount of CCP hand waving will dispell thats it trivial to do.
* I'm pretty sure I read CCP dev claim it was very simple to do.
* It has been promised for a VERY long time
"we all know CA planned to attack Xetic "when the time was right" from day1" - Lallante
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Primer Xenius
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Posted - 2004.12.29 11:08:00 -
[84]
*BUMPAGE*
I've been posting about this for ages.
FACTS:
* Its trivial to do!
* No amount of CCP hand waving will dispell thats it trivial to do.
* I'm pretty sure I read CCP dev claim it was very simple to do.
* It has been promised for a VERY long time
"we all know CA planned to attack Xetic "when the time was right" from day1" - Lallante
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Steven Dynahir
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Posted - 2004.12.29 15:11:00 -
[85]
Quote:
3rd in beta there was feature called "Shares" it's still present in game but have no other function than voting about "sanctioned acts". In beta CEO had option to pay dividends to share holders.
Erm.. That feature can be found under the big button labelled "Dividents".
BTW: It works.
SigPl/HQ&Log Coy/MNB(C)/KFOR |
Steven Dynahir
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Posted - 2004.12.29 15:11:00 -
[86]
Quote:
3rd in beta there was feature called "Shares" it's still present in game but have no other function than voting about "sanctioned acts". In beta CEO had option to pay dividends to share holders.
Erm.. That feature can be found under the big button labelled "Dividents".
BTW: It works.
SigPl/HQ&Log Coy/MNB(C)/KFOR |
Erai
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Posted - 2004.12.29 16:27:00 -
[87]
Originally by: FatHed
Screw the taxes, pay dividends on my shares.
Would be best if divident would be activated parallel to corp taxes (imo)
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My bio
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Erai
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Posted - 2004.12.29 16:27:00 -
[88]
Originally by: FatHed
Screw the taxes, pay dividends on my shares.
Would be best if divident would be activated parallel to corp taxes (imo)
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My bio
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Aelita
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Posted - 2004.12.29 19:34:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Steven Dynahir
Quote:
3rd in beta there was feature called "Shares" it's still present in game but have no other function than voting about "sanctioned acts". In beta CEO had option to pay dividends to share holders.
Erm.. That feature can be found under the big button labelled "Dividents".
BTW: It works.
It doesn't work because dividends were pay from taxes :)
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Aelita
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Posted - 2004.12.29 19:34:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Steven Dynahir
Quote:
3rd in beta there was feature called "Shares" it's still present in game but have no other function than voting about "sanctioned acts". In beta CEO had option to pay dividends to share holders.
Erm.. That feature can be found under the big button labelled "Dividents".
BTW: It works.
It doesn't work because dividends were pay from taxes :)
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