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Serilla
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Posted - 2005.02.26 19:55:00 -
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i remember them saying many times that the way it will work is with .ref keys and that it would be pretty simple to do. looks like they did it with transaction tax broker tax and all these other taxes.. so why not corp taxes ccp?? answer us plz
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Zane Broohn
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Posted - 2005.02.26 22:00:00 -
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Signed
ZB
"It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees" |

Drunken Claptrap
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Posted - 2005.02.27 01:38:00 -
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Please can we have a yay/nay answer on this from CCP. Draft Beer Not People |

Xarol
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Posted - 2005.02.27 01:51:00 -
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Signed.
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2005.02.28 01:37:00 -
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Originally by: Drunken Claptrap Please can we have a yay/nay answer on this from CCP.
any comment from CCP ??
Thank You Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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Serilla
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Posted - 2005.02.28 03:46:00 -
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Originally by: Paw Sandberg
Originally by: Drunken Claptrap Please can we have a yay/nay answer on this from CCP.
any comment from CCP ??
nope no comments they are in hiding
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Shadar Ishaan
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Posted - 2005.02.28 05:29:00 -
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Originally by: Paw Sandberg
Originally by: Drunken Claptrap Please can we have a yay/nay answer on this from CCP.
any comment from CCP ??
Check the devchat log ---------------
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Xanataures
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Posted - 2005.03.01 18:18:00 -
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signed!!
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2005.03.01 18:22:00 -
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Edited by: Paw Sandberg on 01/03/2005 18:23:10
Originally by: Shadar Ishaan
Originally by: Paw Sandberg
Originally by: Drunken Claptrap Please can we have a yay/nay answer on this from CCP.
any comment from CCP ??
Check the devchat log
why you seen anything in the Chats I havent ??
I mean the last dev blog I saw was about the highways with no metion of anything tax related 
Thank You Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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Ethan Kel
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Posted - 2005.03.01 18:24:00 -
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Does any one know if or when the auto corporate tax system will be made to actually work? If this cannot be made to work then it is only fair that CCP end it's auto taxation also.
I could go into a long winded diatribe in economic theory, real life emulation, etc but I won't. It is simply a question of fairnes if it can't be made to benefit us by making it work for us then it is unfair for it to only work for a system that exists soley as an unseen entity simply their to collect a tax which then dissappears into the vast nothingness of the EVE galaxy.
Thanks!
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Static Ga'lraith
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Posted - 2005.03.01 21:45:00 -
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Still waiting for Corp Tax.........
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Odet
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Posted - 2005.03.01 22:02:00 -
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If you think you can do a better job send in an application to CCP. Dont bother coming herre calling them weasels and other stuff. Just go in and send in an application.
I'm sure they are trying very hard to get this game working properly, take into account this is their first project, cut em some slack they havent been doing this all thier lives.
Give em feedback not smack talk.
=This podding has been brought to you by Odet, the only way to fry.= |

Odet
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Posted - 2005.03.01 22:06:00 -
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to those of u who cant believe why no dev has answered yet.... think about it.
If you had a bunch of brats calling u a dirtbag and a weasel asking you for things would u post and say, oh boy im so sorry, or instead get on with his job and hope you all die of cancer?
=This podding has been brought to you by Odet, the only way to fry.= |

Diego
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Posted - 2005.03.01 22:39:00 -
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I guess that ccp at the moment is a very little team. At the moment the peeps that had or has this ide might not even work there any more, or have taken other tasks.
The point is that they have no time to get all they have promised done. It is like candy, to keep all of us playing. That is also why they have all this Chat meetings, to tell us this is coming and that is coming. And when they releases a new patch (9 months later) it has about 1/3 of what they have promised.
They will never tell you why the 2/3 didn't make it, because that will be looking like a loss for them, in your eyes. So if you ask you will get no answhere, or just a this will come soon
Sorry this is the hard life of EVE boys. But at least they do something. 
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Drunken Claptrap
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Posted - 2005.03.01 23:08:00 -
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I would not say anything particularly bad about CCP....all i ask is that when a thread has reached 10 pages, surely it should be seen as something important and worthy of an answer. Not everyone posts smacktalk ya know. Draft Beer Not People |

Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2005.03.01 23:59:00 -
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Originally by: Odet to those of u who cant believe why no dev has answered yet.... think about it.
If you had a bunch of brats calling u a dirtbag and a weasel asking you for things would u post and say, oh boy im so sorry, or instead get on with his job and hope you all die of cancer?
what post are you reading 
I have not seen any smacktalk in this post and I am sure the devs got a tougher skin than I do
Thank You Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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Odet
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Posted - 2005.03.02 00:12:00 -
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can you read
ughhh forget it... go play with your barbie dolls.
=This podding has been brought to you by Odet, the only way to fry.= |

Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2005.03.02 02:44:00 -
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Originally by: Odet can you read
ughhh forget it... go play with your barbie dolls.
yeah that shows exactly how mature you are right there
Thank You Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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Nicholai Pestot
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Posted - 2005.03.02 08:44:00 -
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Skipping the flaming and abuse.....
That is a good point Ethan, but i believe the main difference is that the 'auto taxation' is CCP set, where as the Corp Tax is CEO set.
Not all CEO's are as trustworthy as yourself, so certain limits and restrictions would have to be set to prevent abuse. For example linking taxation increases into a voting system or something of the like.
A sudden increase in taxation could screw over people not paying attention
This is likely to be a programming thing, and as has been said, the programming department is currently fixing bugs with already included features.
Hopefully as soon as thats done we will get the taxation system, multiple corp accounts, contracts etc etc
Meh, for now just fly around and blow stuff up  I have supped the milk of human kindness, and discovered i am lactose intolerant |

Militant Mike
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Posted - 2005.03.02 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: Odet can you read
ughhh forget it... go play with your barbie dolls.
You are the only one flaming here, which means you deserve this 
Corp tax needs to be in though, and like someone said, would have thought there would have been some dev responce after 10 pages. In the dev chat I think they said it was on their to do list, but would be nice if we could get an eta or summat. 
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Shadar Ishaan
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Posted - 2005.03.02 13:54:00 -
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Originally by: Odet If you think you can do a better job send in an application to CCP. Dont bother coming herre calling them weasels and other stuff. Just go in and send in an application.
I'm sure they are trying very hard to get this game working properly, take into account this is their first project, cut em some slack they havent been doing this all thier lives.
Give em feedback not smack talk.
We have every right to complain. It's the right you derive as a paying customer. If you're not satisfied with your product, you can complain to the producers of it, or stop paying.
However, your condescending viewpoint aside, I agree with the content of your post. ---------------
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Shadar Ishaan
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Posted - 2005.03.02 13:56:00 -
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Edited by: Shadar Ishaan on 02/03/2005 13:56:13
Originally by: Paw Sandberg Edited by: Paw Sandberg on 01/03/2005 18:23:10
Originally by: Shadar Ishaan
Originally by: Paw Sandberg
Originally by: Drunken Claptrap Please can we have a yay/nay answer on this from CCP.
any comment from CCP ??
Check the devchat log
why you seen anything in the Chats I havent ??
I mean the last dev blog I saw was about the highways with no metion of anything tax related 
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=155334
Originally by: The People at EveGate
[Multiple People] Corp taxes, dynamic asteroid spawns, gas clouds, system wide belts, comet and dust mineing, missing tech 1 blueprints, ETA on criminal flagging for stealing from jettisoned containers (and what will the consequences) etc.. When are we going to see these as well as some Exodus features we were told about and haven't heard about since the patch was released? Every Dev blog and post since has concentrated on balance changes, new ships and other content, but no actual answer on the items missing from Exodus and previous releases.
<Oveur> To explain the basics first, I wrote some dev blogs regarding the difference between programming and content/art work and bugfixing vs. new features <Oveur> now, since Exodus release, almost all our programming efforst (99%) have gone into bugfixing and optimizations and we're not nearly done with the biggest optimizations coming in <Oveur> which means programming features, which is another way of saying "creating bugs", has not been allowed <Oveur> what you have seen the last months is content and art divisions working within their realms, that do not require any intense programming work (it has to fit within that 1%) <Oveur> tahts why it's balance changes, new ships and other content you have been seeing and not new features <Oveur> our tentative list, when programming of features starts again, is to get corp taxes and their wallets in addition to contracts in <Oveur> while the environments will come in bit by bit after that. <Oveur> stealing from a can will currently only criminal flag you towards the owner of the can, meaning he can shot the **** out of you if you steal, simple as that <Oveur> but some new environments might see the light of day in some months since we have a possible way of doing them with minimal programming (read, within that assigned 1%) <Oveur> and I touched that on that briefly earlier regarding new types of complexes <Oveur> we have a patch in end of march and a bigger patch a couple of months after that <Oveur> march is 95% bugfixing but the ratio of content within the patch after march will have considerably more content <Oveur> but with our current optimization schedule, I don't foresee us getting any of the bigger missing Exodus features in there
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Kar Brogan
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Posted - 2005.03.02 14:20:00 -
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Well there ya have it, they will make it a priority after fixing bugs, and that will take as long as it takes.
Seriously, when it comes to fixing bugs, by ironing one out you may create another 3..its just too hard to predict.
ANY timeframe provided more specific then 'we aim to have it in by this season' would be a guess...not a schedule.
So now that we have an answer, and a 10 odd page thread that the devs must have seen..do we really need to keep posting.
We know that the taxation is the next thing after the bugs have been ironed out. Anything else put in here would just be whineing about the lack of an exact schedule.
Of course as customers we are allowed to register complaints.Have you considered mailing CCP directly?I mean if you actually want to register a complaint and are not just coming here to ***** and moan thats what you should do.
Im starting to get a beer belly every time i read the general discussion forum..to much whine.
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David Goodwill
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Posted - 2005.03.02 14:43:00 -
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Originally by: Kar Brogan So now that we have an answer, and a 10 odd page thread that the devs must have seen..do we really need to keep posting.
I think it's more to do with the total lack of communication of any sort. We knew the corp tax was beign looked at, but atm I think quite a few people are feeling ignored. Not a great way to keep your customers happy when all it needed was for a dev to come here and say "look guys, we are really up to the eyeballs in it atm, after we get the critical bugs out of the way this issue will be the first thing we look at". As it is, I seem to get the mentaility that if they ignore it, it will go away. Sorry Devs, aint gonna happen. 
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.03.02 15:42:00 -
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Communistic corps work better anyway 
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2005.03.02 19:06:00 -
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Originally by: Shadar Ishaan Edited by: Shadar Ishaan on 02/03/2005 13:56:13
Originally by: Paw Sandberg Edited by: Paw Sandberg on 01/03/2005 18:23:10
Originally by: Shadar Ishaan
Originally by: Paw Sandberg
Originally by: Drunken Claptrap Please can we have a yay/nay answer on this from CCP.
any comment from CCP ??
Check the devchat log
why you seen anything in the Chats I havent ??
I mean the last dev blog I saw was about the highways with no metion of anything tax related 
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=155334
Originally by: The People at EveGate
[Multiple People] Corp taxes, dynamic asteroid spawns, gas clouds, system wide belts, comet and dust mineing, missing tech 1 blueprints, ETA on criminal flagging for stealing from jettisoned containers (and what will the consequences) etc.. When are we going to see these as well as some Exodus features we were told about and haven't heard about since the patch was released? Every Dev blog and post since has concentrated on balance changes, new ships and other content, but no actual answer on the items missing from Exodus and previous releases.
<Oveur> To explain the basics first, I wrote some dev blogs regarding the difference between programming and content/art work and bugfixing vs. new features <Oveur> now, since Exodus release, almost all our programming efforst (99%) have gone into bugfixing and optimizations and we're not nearly done with the biggest optimizations coming in <Oveur> which means programming features, which is another way of saying "creating bugs", has not been allowed <Oveur> what you have seen the last months is content and art divisions working within their realms, that do not require any intense programming work (it has to fit within that 1%) <Oveur> tahts why it's balance changes, new ships and other content you have been seeing and not new features <Oveur> our tentative list, when programming of features starts again, is to get corp taxes and their wallets in addition to contracts in <Oveur> while the environments will come in bit by bit after that. <Oveur> stealing from a can will currently only criminal flag you towards the owner of the can, meaning he can shot the **** out of you if you steal, simple as that <Oveur> but some new environments might see the light of day in some months since we have a possible way of doing them with minimal programming (read, within that assigned 1%) <Oveur> and I touched that on that briefly earlier regarding new types of complexes <Oveur> we have a patch in end of march and a bigger patch a couple of months after that <Oveur> march is 95% bugfixing but the ratio of content within the patch after march will have considerably more content <Oveur> but with our current optimization schedule, I don't foresee us getting any of the bigger missing Exodus features in there
Thank you
A dev answer (or ISD) back on page 3 would have been alot better than this thread reaching over 10 pages with no response and someone (that obiusly have been paying more attention than me as I missed that one) not in any way related to CCP finally digging up a answer for us
as many others have said its the lack of comunication from CCP that is really REALLY frustrating
anyway thanks :-) Thank You Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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Shadar Ishaan
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Posted - 2005.03.03 00:49:00 -
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Originally by: Kar Brogan Seriously, when it comes to fixing bugs, by ironing one out you may create another 3..its just too hard to predict.
I have to disagree with this as a professional developer. We introduce new features into our system every month. The amount of bugs we introduce into the system in any given quarter can be counted on one hand and have plenty of fingers to spare.
Eve is a more complicated system by far, but the way that you prevent bugs from entering into your application is very simple: Get all your functionality under test, and run the tests against your code very often. When developing, I'll run the tests against the entire set of code over ten times a day while developing. I run them before I start a new feature. I run them to help me develop the feature. I run them when I'm done to be sure. I run them again before I leave for the day. If anything fails, I don't stop until it's fixed.
I doubt CCP does test-driven development, but they really should. ---------------
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ollobrains
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Posted - 2005.03.03 01:06:00 -
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i wonder if CCP are making a large profit or if to control costs they need to hire a smaller team which slows development
An outcome would be for all of us to get across other internet forums etc and promote this game to new players as much as possible - get more paying players in and therefore increase the revenues - CCP could invest more in developers etc and even new technology etc.
But i think in the meantime a) getting their test server accessible to more players so we can feedback - then that reduces bugs (increases bug reporting) before new changes hit the mainstream game - ived deleted my cache and still get failed to access. b) get involved in the dev team discussion threads with diversified but positive contributions and ideas c) atm they are working on EW,Warp propulsion and now ammo changes - this is getting into the guts of the game - though some more content would be helpful d) corp tax can be set up with agreement now that all corp members make regular donations ? - group mining, hunting, trading etc
Its a system that will take some time however give it 3 - 6 months and then if CCP havent done it start complaining again
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Drunken Claptrap
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Posted - 2005.03.03 01:49:00 -
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3 - 6 months???? I'll be so rich by then, I won't need Corp tax..... !!!
(Joke btw) Yep, got the answer....2nd hand but good all the same. Draft Beer Not People |

Chakka
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Posted - 2005.03.03 11:41:00 -
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Please bring in Corp Taxes as fast as you can Devs
It would make playing the game more fun.
Players would no longer feel obligated to do stuff they dont like (eg corp mining) if corp taxes were ingame
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