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Shadar Ishaan
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Posted - 2005.03.23 21:38:00 -
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Perhaps if we ask nicely they'll respond.
CCP, please tell us when you plan to implement Corp Tax.
Please.
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2005.03.24 01:25:00 -
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 Originally by: Shadar Ishaan
Perhaps if we ask nicely they'll respond.
CCP, please tell us when you plan to implement Corp Tax.
Please.
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
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Darth Revanant
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Posted - 2005.03.24 05:21:00 -
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Bumping is not allowed.
Soooo.....ummmmm.......Yes Please CCP!!
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Serilla
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Posted - 2005.03.24 07:43:00 -
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well.. i sorta am suprised that it has been this long since exodous and they have not said why this wasnt brought into the game..
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Mephorios
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Posted - 2005.03.24 08:05:00 -
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Oh we so know they're reading this, anything that seems to get over five pages in responses seems to garner interest.
I do like the idea of the CEO being able to decide what transactions are taxed. Perhaps inter-corporate trading and transfers could be not taxed, and everything external would be?
Of course, no system made by people is perfect. But, just because it's not perfect or solvable utterly does not mean it's a problem to ignore. A step in the right direction is better than a thumb up the orifice of your choosing.
Pre-edit: Any typos are the result of, as Maya Angelou said, 'copious livation'.
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2005.03.27 03:19:00 -
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Originally by: Mephorios
Oh we so know they're reading this, anything that seems to get over five pages in responses seems to garner interest.
I do like the idea of the CEO being able to decide what transactions are taxed. Perhaps inter-corporate trading and transfers could be not taxed, and everything external would be?
Of course, no system made by people is perfect. But, just because it's not perfect or solvable utterly does not mean it's a problem to ignore. A step in the right direction is better than a thumb up the orifice of your choosing.
Pre-edit: Any typos are the result of, as Maya Angelou said, 'copious livation'.
/me sighs
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
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Wanoah
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Posted - 2005.03.27 12:14:00 -
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Some good points there, Dumble...er, Hakera. A high level of tax on transactions would be quite harsh. A CEO would have to set the taxes at a similar rate to the current market taxes we already pay, otherwise free trade would be hampered for corp members and it would act as a disincentive (if that's a word).
Overall, the advantages of Corp Tax far outweigh any disadvantages though. A corporation should exist to make money for its shareholders. At the moment, getting a working business model for a manufacturing/trading company is quite difficult to achieve without a high overhead of admin. A flat tax on player-generated revenues will guarantee an income for the corp in an equitable way as long as players earn money for themselves by whatever means.
As it stands, people that devote their time to running agent missions are seen as pretty much selfish, solo players interms of corp activity. With a modest tax on agent rewards, they instantly become a valuable asset to the corp, without having to rely on them making occasional donations. They can contribute automatically to the financing of BPO's etc. without having to get involved in aspects of the game they are not interested in. Everyone's a winner.
My tax plan would be to tax Market Transactions at 1%, and Agent Mission Rewards at 5%. This should give quite a nice little income from an average-sized corp with members doing some mining, building, trading, and agent-running for themselves.
What I wonder is what happens if you set a tax rate on things like Repair Bill or Insurance? Does it become an extra cost for the individual player on top of what they are paying? Or does it effectively mean that the Corp ends up paying that % out to the player? If it turned out to be the second option, that could be a nice touch if the corp ends up contributing to some of your costs.
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ErrorS
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Posted - 2005.03.27 12:26:00 -
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it's apparent by all these replies that noone really wants corp tax..
so CCP, PLEASE don't give it to us! We don't want it, it will ruin the game!
(trying reverse psychology)
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Shadar Ishaan
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Posted - 2005.03.28 02:51:00 -
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Maybe if we keep posting, CCP will nerf this thread. 
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Shadar Ishaan
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Posted - 2005.03.28 14:12:00 -
[310]
 Maybe not.
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2005.03.28 14:39:00 -
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Originally by: Wanoah
Some good points there, Dumble...er, Hakera. A high level of tax on transactions would be quite harsh. A CEO would have to set the taxes at a similar rate to the current market taxes we already pay, otherwise free trade would be hampered for corp members and it would act as a disincentive (if that's a word).
Overall, the advantages of Corp Tax far outweigh any disadvantages though. A corporation should exist to make money for its shareholders. At the moment, getting a working business model for a manufacturing/trading company is quite difficult to achieve without a high overhead of admin. A flat tax on player-generated revenues will guarantee an income for the corp in an equitable way as long as players earn money for themselves by whatever means.
As it stands, people that devote their time to running agent missions are seen as pretty much selfish, solo players interms of corp activity. With a modest tax on agent rewards, they instantly become a valuable asset to the corp, without having to rely on them making occasional donations. They can contribute automatically to the financing of BPO's etc. without having to get involved in aspects of the game they are not interested in. Everyone's a winner.
My tax plan would be to tax Market Transactions at 1%, and Agent Mission Rewards at 5%. This should give quite a nice little income from an average-sized corp with members doing some mining, building, trading, and agent-running for themselves.
What I wonder is what happens if you set a tax rate on things like Repair Bill or Insurance? Does it become an extra cost for the individual player on top of what they are paying? Or does it effectively mean that the Corp ends up paying that % out to the player? If it turned out to be the second option, that could be a nice touch if the corp ends up contributing to some of your costs.
again I think you are kinda missing the Point
CCP will not be setting the corp taxes your induvidial CEO will
if you do not trust your CEO (or dont want to pay the tax your CEO asignes) its time for you to leave the corp you are in as simple as that
also I would prefer that a corp tax could be set from 0% to 100% on each of the 10 items as described on Shiva features page (will allow comunistic style CEO's)
the corp tax should be changeble by the CEO of a corp (like it is now (only it does not work))
however each CEO (if this is ever put in) will be able to set any amount of tax per deferent thing
like for example JB (my CEO) can set agent running Tax to 8% and tax from bounty'es to 5 and transaction to 3% (these are just exambles)
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
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Cristobal
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Posted - 2005.03.28 16:31:00 -
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Seems to me, if you could kill something with a Corporate Tax then CCP would give it some consideration, along with Divisional Wallets.
I keep looking for both of those every patch...
And looking...
And looking...
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Quanteeri
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Posted - 2005.03.28 17:15:00 -
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Yes, please implement the ability to use the corp tax, CCP.
Honestly, I don't see why anyone would want to deny this function, since the tax could be set to 0%, eg.; No Corp Tax, depending on the corp.
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Quanteeri
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Posted - 2005.03.28 17:15:00 -
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Edited by: Quanteeri on 28/03/2005 17:15:51
oops, double post.
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EvilDoomer
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Posted - 2005.03.28 22:34:00 -
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Originally by: jbob2000
personally, i think it doesnt make sense to have corp tax. i mean think about it. you joined a corporation, and you should be getting payed, not paying the corp. Don't want to relate this to RL, but i guess i have to...if you joined a company like microsoft, would you pay them to work for them? no, they would pay you.
hmm your right except for the following things.
1. IF your corp has offices who is paying for that.
2. If you belong to a corp and you only mine or make isk for yourself and never really give to your corp how can the corp pay for offices and labs and factories.
3. The sharing of stuff in hangers are paid from corp. Insured ships from the corp. Who pays for them.
When I was with my other corp the corp paid for all that. And we did corp mining and other corp stuff and the mins went to the corp for production. The Corp made my frigs and cruisers so I could pvp. And that was awesome.
But there was a few peeps who did alot of stuff off on there own and would come and mine for 15 minutes then had to goto the store. NOT FAIR.
So the corp tax would pay for all the things that the corp needs and more. And the corp would not have to worry about coming up with the isk for 15mil a month rents that CCP charges now. {which sucks.}
But whether or not your corp charges tax is an option and A well needed thing for corps.
These are my views and only my views.
Thanks
EvilDoomer
Chicago Mobsters
** Ghost Fleet Pilot **
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Wanoah
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Posted - 2005.03.29 00:46:00 -
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Quote:
again I think you are kinda missing the Point
Nope, point not missed, I think you just misread or misunderstood my post.
I think the devs are just teasing us. Kinda like, "Here's what you could've won."
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2005.03.29 15:34:00 -
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Originally by: Wanoah
Quote:
again I think you are kinda missing the Point
Nope, point not missed, I think you just misread or misunderstood my post.
I think the devs are just teasing us. Kinda like, "Here's what you could've won."
sorry 
was tired when I read that and wrote that
I read it as you saying that CCP would force all corps to have tax that was not what you meant
my bad
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
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Larno
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Posted - 2005.03.29 16:29:00 -
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Tax could be in the form of a bill, like for an office or lab slot. If you don't pay it, you get kicked from the corp automatically. Scamproof? Yes. You have to authorise the payment. Grieferproof? No. But it's not worse than being invited to a corp and blown up.
I think it would also be easy for CCP to make it so that CEOs can choose not to bill people who have inactive accounts. Or finally if you want to be really cautious, have a corp vote on the matter where at least 50% of votes (NOT shares) have to be there to implement tax.
TBH I cant see any holes in this. And I dont think it would be hard to implement.
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Quanteeri
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Posted - 2005.03.29 20:30:00 -
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Edited by: Quanteeri on 29/03/2005 20:31:24
I think making it a bill would make things too complicated, cause people would actually have to do something hands-on. IMO, it should be an automatic deduction from any funds that are received(with the possiblity of different fund types, as mentioned earlier). This would allow the corps to have a fairly steady flow of cash, instead of a payday. That would also automatically facilitate not taxing inactive members, because they are not actively making ISK. though, I do agree, it should be set up something like locking down BPO's, where as to unlock or change the tax rate, the share holders would have to vote.
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Trader Klyde
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Posted - 2005.03.29 20:42:00 -
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Billing would be too cumbersome... But, an automatic deduction for transactions would work very well. I also like the idea of the tax being set through shareholders voting.
Either way it would enhance a Corps ability for income from all of it's members, regardless of what they are doing, be it mining, combat, agent running, etc. Having all transactions taxed with a setable amount only makes sense.
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Shadar Ishaan
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Posted - 2005.03.30 05:17:00 -
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anyone check the test server for corp tax? 
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ollobrains
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Posted - 2005.03.30 08:28:00 -
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Yup checked the test server and guess what no corp tax in this next patch - perhaps the next one of the next one or the next one..... sorry this is the biggest "gunna" project CCP has but fails to deliver
On this its gunna gunna gunna (not)
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Napoleon Dynamite
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Posted - 2005.03.30 09:52:00 -
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Well after the tax, I would like to see dividends being paid out to shares and a stock market for share trading.
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NastyLlama
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Posted - 2005.03.30 10:47:00 -
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Edited by: NastyLlama on 30/03/2005 10:48:38
Originally by: MaiLina KaTar
Pffft. When it comes out it'll be screwed to hell and back anyway... just like POS.
I'm actually pretty excited about what kind of ubernerf, bug or logical error they'll come up with once they dish out corp-tax.
Matter of fact: Thousands of corporations would benefit greatly from this feature and it's a shame that it isn't ingame more than a year and a half after the game went live.
Well I remember when it did come out, was totaly buged alowing players to earn billions from it and got quickly taken out again, so I think it scared the pants off ccp and their to scared to go near it.
But it needs to be ingame asap, just do it carfully next time
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2005.04.01 03:22:00 -
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Originally by: Trader Klyde
Billing would be too cumbersome... But, an automatic deduction for transactions would work very well. I also like the idea of the tax being set through shareholders voting.
Either way it would enhance a Corps ability for income from all of it's members, regardless of what they are doing, be it mining, combat, agent running, etc. Having all transactions taxed with a setable amount only makes sense.
yeah billing would be silly
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
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Alberto
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Posted - 2005.04.01 06:18:00 -
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Originally by: Napoleon Dynamite
Well after the tax, I would like to see dividends being paid out to shares and a stock market for share trading.
I too would like to see dividends working and a stock market I think itĘs the way to go.
Give more stock to the harder working corp. members then pay out dividends each month
But what I would really like to see is corp. owned items just think you dock at your corp.Ęs office click on corp. fitting room pick a corp. ship then pick corp. modĘs to fit the corp. ship from another list and your ready to go.
Corp. own ships and modĘs can not be sold on the market itĘs a great way for members to share asset with out worrying to much about corp. theft and itĘs a great way to grow a corp. too.
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Shadar Ishaan
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Posted - 2005.04.01 14:15:00 -
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Thirteen pages of pure pwnage
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Darth Revanant
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Posted - 2005.04.02 00:05:00 -
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I think this is the third time i've signed this same thread in the last six months. I'll continue to sign it every month or so until it's implemented. I'm only so insistent because I think it's the most reasonable request to CCP I've ever seen. It can't be that hard to implement, and there are no downsides. If you don't want it, don't use it, simple.
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Face Lifter
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Posted - 2005.04.02 00:46:00 -
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Oh yea.. the corp tax isn't in patch notes!
Thanks for the effort guys, better luck next patch in 2 months!
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2005.04.02 03:31:00 -
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Originally by: Darth Revanant
I think this is the third time i've signed this same thread in the last six months. I'll continue to sign it every month or so until it's implemented. I'm only so insistent because I think it's the most reasonable request to CCP I've ever seen. It can't be that hard to implement, and there are no downsides. If you don't want it, don't use it, simple.
has it really breen that long since I started this thread (time flies)
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
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