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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2004.12.16 17:23:00 -
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WTF for the ppl that know me you know that I useally dont cuss I useally think (fairly) well of CCP and I useally agree with the changes CCP makes
but why the hell is our corp tax that should have been ingame since BETA not a PRIORETY
we have been asking for this for so damn long WHY THE HELL IS IT NOT IN THE GAME YET AND WHEN WILL IT FINALLY MAKE IT IN
this is redicules what about the aliances ??
they need their Tax working as much as we corps do
PLEASE CCP I BEG YOU GET THIS WORKING NOW
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2004.12.16 17:23:00 -
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WTF for the ppl that know me you know that I useally dont cuss I useally think (fairly) well of CCP and I useally agree with the changes CCP makes
but why the hell is our corp tax that should have been ingame since BETA not a PRIORETY
we have been asking for this for so damn long WHY THE HELL IS IT NOT IN THE GAME YET AND WHEN WILL IT FINALLY MAKE IT IN
this is redicules what about the aliances ??
they need their Tax working as much as we corps do
PLEASE CCP I BEG YOU GET THIS WORKING NOW
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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meoff
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Posted - 2004.12.16 17:38:00 -
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No...
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meoff
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Posted - 2004.12.16 17:38:00 -
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No...
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jbob2000
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Posted - 2004.12.16 17:58:00 -
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personally, i think it doesnt make sense to have corp tax. i mean think about it. you joined a corporation, and you should be getting payed, not paying the corp. Don't want to relate this to RL, but i guess i have to...if you joined a company like microsoft, would you pay them to work for them? no, they would pay you.
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jbob2000
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Posted - 2004.12.16 17:58:00 -
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personally, i think it doesnt make sense to have corp tax. i mean think about it. you joined a corporation, and you should be getting payed, not paying the corp. Don't want to relate this to RL, but i guess i have to...if you joined a company like microsoft, would you pay them to work for them? no, they would pay you.
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2004.12.16 18:11:00 -
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 Originally by: jbob2000
personally, i think it doesnt make sense to have corp tax. i mean think about it. you joined a corporation, and you should be getting payed, not paying the corp. Don't want to relate this to RL, but i guess i have to...if you joined a company like microsoft, would you pay them to work for them? no, they would pay you.
true but thats another thing they promised us a real pay system where we can pay our members wages
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2004.12.16 18:11:00 -
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Originally by: jbob2000
personally, i think it doesnt make sense to have corp tax. i mean think about it. you joined a corporation, and you should be getting payed, not paying the corp. Don't want to relate this to RL, but i guess i have to...if you joined a company like microsoft, would you pay them to work for them? no, they would pay you.
true but thats another thing they promised us a real pay system where we can pay our members wages
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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Xavier Arron
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Posted - 2004.12.16 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: jbob2000
personally, i think it doesnt make sense to have corp tax. i mean think about it. you joined a corporation, and you should be getting payed, not paying the corp. Don't want to relate this to RL, but i guess i have to...if you joined a company like microsoft, would you pay them to work for them? no, they would pay you.
Yeah but in RL the company would get to keep everything you make and earn. So hand over all your agent mission rewards, all the ore you mined, all the loot you got NPC hunting. Hand over any tech 2 blueprints since any R&D IP would be owned by the company aswell.
In return you get minimal wage, and a crappy pension plan you can claim when your 65  .
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Xavier Arron
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Posted - 2004.12.16 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: jbob2000
personally, i think it doesnt make sense to have corp tax. i mean think about it. you joined a corporation, and you should be getting payed, not paying the corp. Don't want to relate this to RL, but i guess i have to...if you joined a company like microsoft, would you pay them to work for them? no, they would pay you.
Yeah but in RL the company would get to keep everything you make and earn. So hand over all your agent mission rewards, all the ore you mined, all the loot you got NPC hunting. Hand over any tech 2 blueprints since any R&D IP would be owned by the company aswell.
In return you get minimal wage, and a crappy pension plan you can claim when your 65 .
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2004.12.17 05:21:00 -
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Originally by: Xavier Arron
Originally by: jbob2000
personally, i think it doesnt make sense to have corp tax. i mean think about it. you joined a corporation, and you should be getting payed, not paying the corp. Don't want to relate this to RL, but i guess i have to...if you joined a company like microsoft, would you pay them to work for them? no, they would pay you.
Yeah but in RL the company would get to keep everything you make and earn. So hand over all your agent mission rewards, all the ore you mined, all the loot you got NPC hunting. Hand over any tech 2 blueprints since any R&D IP would be owned by the company aswell.
In return you get minimal wage, and a crappy pension plan you can claim when your 65 .
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2004.12.17 05:21:00 -
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Originally by: Xavier Arron
Originally by: jbob2000
personally, i think it doesnt make sense to have corp tax. i mean think about it. you joined a corporation, and you should be getting payed, not paying the corp. Don't want to relate this to RL, but i guess i have to...if you joined a company like microsoft, would you pay them to work for them? no, they would pay you.
Yeah but in RL the company would get to keep everything you make and earn. So hand over all your agent mission rewards, all the ore you mined, all the loot you got NPC hunting. Hand over any tech 2 blueprints since any R&D IP would be owned by the company aswell.
In return you get minimal wage, and a crappy pension plan you can claim when your 65 .
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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Nym Qyamara
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Posted - 2004.12.17 06:41:00 -
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Originally by: jbob2000
personally, i think it doesnt make sense to have corp tax. i mean think about it. you joined a corporation, and you should be getting payed, not paying the corp. Don't want to relate this to RL, but i guess i have to...if you joined a company like microsoft, would you pay them to work for them? no, they would pay you.
Well the thing is - Your corp builds a POS in deep 0.0 - You make Big Bucks using the POS refining array, provided by corp. When a player does that - only a very few - even think of sending a bit of profit to Corp...... So... In order for a medium corp, not having to inforce corp minings, this is just another way around the problem. - In other words - even with corp taxes you can still make profit. I belive the Idea behind Corp Tax'es is that the members share an expense, and gain from it. The corp income from taxes should not go in the wallet of the CEO.
Hope that helped a bit. Despite my ilogical disposition and bad english. |
Nym Qyamara
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Posted - 2004.12.17 06:41:00 -
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Originally by: jbob2000
personally, i think it doesnt make sense to have corp tax. i mean think about it. you joined a corporation, and you should be getting payed, not paying the corp. Don't want to relate this to RL, but i guess i have to...if you joined a company like microsoft, would you pay them to work for them? no, they would pay you.
Well the thing is - Your corp builds a POS in deep 0.0 - You make Big Bucks using the POS refining array, provided by corp. When a player does that - only a very few - even think of sending a bit of profit to Corp...... So... In order for a medium corp, not having to inforce corp minings, this is just another way around the problem. - In other words - even with corp taxes you can still make profit. I belive the Idea behind Corp Tax'es is that the members share an expense, and gain from it. The corp income from taxes should not go in the wallet of the CEO.
Hope that helped a bit. Despite my ilogical disposition and bad english. |
Diicc Tater
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Posted - 2004.12.17 08:08:00 -
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Yep, even small corps need the tax.
We use the corp wallet as a buffer and are not very hard on sharing if we can use something we find. Taking 10-15% tax would be much help to us since we'd always have a small backup that's growing most of the time.
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Diicc Tater
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Posted - 2004.12.17 08:08:00 -
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Yep, even small corps need the tax.
We use the corp wallet as a buffer and are not very hard on sharing if we can use something we find. Taking 10-15% tax would be much help to us since we'd always have a small backup that's growing most of the time.
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Murod
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Posted - 2004.12.17 08:44:00 -
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Edited by: Murod on 17/12/2004 08:45:04
Corp Taxes are vital for the effective running of a corp.
I agree 100%, this should be near the top on the list of Priorities. Can we get any indication from CCP as to when they plan on bringing the Tax System back in.
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Murod
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Posted - 2004.12.17 08:44:00 -
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Edited by: Murod on 17/12/2004 08:45:04
Corp Taxes are vital for the effective running of a corp.
I agree 100%, this should be near the top on the list of Priorities. Can we get any indication from CCP as to when they plan on bringing the Tax System back in.
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DeerHunter GE
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Posted - 2004.12.17 09:05:00 -
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Fact is:
COrp tax is an promised feature, some like it, some not.
We, or many of us feel that we want it, but CCP still has it on their "not this urgent" list.
We are waiting for that feature since the beginning. Again, please make it work.
Don't ask "can i have your stuff" because i'll give it to everybody else than you! |
DeerHunter GE
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Posted - 2004.12.17 09:05:00 -
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Fact is:
COrp tax is an promised feature, some like it, some not.
We, or many of us feel that we want it, but CCP still has it on their "not this urgent" list.
We are waiting for that feature since the beginning. Again, please make it work.
Don't ask "can i have your stuff" because i'll give it to everybody else than you! |
MaiLina KaTar
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Posted - 2004.12.17 09:11:00 -
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Pffft. When it comes out it'll be screwed to hell and back anyway... just like POS.
I'm actually pretty excited about what kind of ubernerf, bug or logical error they'll come up with once they dish out corp-tax.
Matter of fact: Thousands of corporations would benefit greatly from this feature and it's a shame that it isn't ingame more than a year and a half after the game went live.
Mai's Idealog |
MaiLina KaTar
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Posted - 2004.12.17 09:11:00 -
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Pffft. When it comes out it'll be screwed to hell and back anyway... just like POS.
I'm actually pretty excited about what kind of ubernerf, bug or logical error they'll come up with once they dish out corp-tax.
Matter of fact: Thousands of corporations would benefit greatly from this feature and it's a shame that it isn't ingame more than a year and a half after the game went live.
Mai's Idealog |
Sesman
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Posted - 2004.12.17 09:38:00 -
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its called a scam plain and simpel ,
my question to ccp is are you guys running out of ideas or what f is the meaning of this crap, if you promise a deadline try to keep it and not weasel your way out with gimps rigth and left to keep the game going shame on you shame
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Sesman
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Posted - 2004.12.17 09:38:00 -
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its called a scam plain and simpel ,
my question to ccp is are you guys running out of ideas or what f is the meaning of this crap, if you promise a deadline try to keep it and not weasel your way out with gimps rigth and left to keep the game going shame on you shame
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Thyro
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Posted - 2004.12.17 09:58:00 -
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Originally by: Sesman
its called a scam plain and simpel ,
my question to ccp is are you guys running out of ideas or what f is the meaning of this crap, if you promise a deadline try to keep it and not weasel your way out with gimps rigth and left to keep the game going shame on you shame
hum?
what are u try to say?
BTW I vote on corp tax ... shouldn't be difficult for CCP to apply corp tax... at least should be easyer than add the missing TITANS, also esier than add the lockon on BPOs in corp hangars and also should be esier than each corp division to have its own wallet... in resume corp tax implementation should be esier than adding extra new bugged features to the game that lacks of basics.
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Thyro
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Posted - 2004.12.17 09:58:00 -
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Originally by: Sesman
its called a scam plain and simpel ,
my question to ccp is are you guys running out of ideas or what f is the meaning of this crap, if you promise a deadline try to keep it and not weasel your way out with gimps rigth and left to keep the game going shame on you shame
hum?
what are u try to say?
BTW I vote on corp tax ... shouldn't be difficult for CCP to apply corp tax... at least should be easyer than add the missing TITANS, also esier than add the lockon on BPOs in corp hangars and also should be esier than each corp division to have its own wallet... in resume corp tax implementation should be esier than adding extra new bugged features to the game that lacks of basics.
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shambley
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Posted - 2004.12.17 10:51:00 -
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Corp Tax fine at some point maybe -
but it's gonna be to open to abuse -
maybe 24 hour to implement change and all corp members being eve-mailed will help stop scammers
I think they are working on higher priorities atm but it would be a nice feature
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shambley
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Posted - 2004.12.17 10:51:00 -
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Corp Tax fine at some point maybe -
but it's gonna be to open to abuse -
maybe 24 hour to implement change and all corp members being eve-mailed will help stop scammers
I think they are working on higher priorities atm but it would be a nice feature
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Captain blackadder
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Posted - 2004.12.17 11:04:00 -
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i dont want to pay tax ever
not ingame not out of game !!!!
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Captain blackadder
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Posted - 2004.12.17 11:04:00 -
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i dont want to pay tax ever
not ingame not out of game !!!!
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Tomahawk Bliss
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Posted - 2004.12.17 11:36:00 -
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Originally by: Captain blackadder
i dont want to pay tax ever
not ingame not out of game !!!!
remember that you can join a corp with a 0% tax rating. Taxation should be an implemented option, and if you are really opposed to paying a small percent then you can join a corp with no tax rating.
If the option is finally put in the game it merely adds more choices.
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Tomahawk Bliss
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Posted - 2004.12.17 11:36:00 -
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Originally by: Captain blackadder
i dont want to pay tax ever
not ingame not out of game !!!!
remember that you can join a corp with a 0% tax rating. Taxation should be an implemented option, and if you are really opposed to paying a small percent then you can join a corp with no tax rating.
If the option is finally put in the game it merely adds more choices.
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Dezzyb0y
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Posted - 2004.12.17 11:38:00 -
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The jump drive skill was released before i started the game a year ago... i still see none of these? Lots of stuff has been planned but never properly implimented, Its not nesercarry just ask your members for isk when ya need it.
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Dezzyb0y
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Posted - 2004.12.17 11:38:00 -
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The jump drive skill was released before i started the game a year ago... i still see none of these? Lots of stuff has been planned but never properly implimented, Its not nesercarry just ask your members for isk when ya need it.
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K4rls 1400mm Howitzer Artillery I perfectly strikes Republic Fleet Testing Facilities, wrecking for 1395.9 damage
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Sesman
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Posted - 2004.12.17 20:02:00 -
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deadline = a term used usualy when companies set a fixed date for something to be made/released/fixed.
I mean its grate that we get tons of " new " items in game and new missions and buggs fixed but things that have been said to be implemented into the game long a go and still no sign of em makes me just wonder why,
why all the gimps , why do we have to wait for new stuff to be put in the game whats the hold up ?
i mean if ccp have staff shortages in/on the dev team why dont they just say so and hire a few more players to actuly hunt the bugs down and fix the missing pieces on modules,complexes,agent missions etc etc etc ,
what is the hold up not enough isk in corp wallet/ lack of funds , time, staff shortage , players in game what is the hold up ???
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Sesman
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Posted - 2004.12.17 20:02:00 -
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deadline = a term used usualy when companies set a fixed date for something to be made/released/fixed.
I mean its grate that we get tons of " new " items in game and new missions and buggs fixed but things that have been said to be implemented into the game long a go and still no sign of em makes me just wonder why,
why all the gimps , why do we have to wait for new stuff to be put in the game whats the hold up ?
i mean if ccp have staff shortages in/on the dev team why dont they just say so and hire a few more players to actuly hunt the bugs down and fix the missing pieces on modules,complexes,agent missions etc etc etc ,
what is the hold up not enough isk in corp wallet/ lack of funds , time, staff shortage , players in game what is the hold up ???
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Novarei
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Posted - 2004.12.17 20:31:00 -
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Edited by: Novarei on 17/12/2004 20:31:15
corp tax is very uesful, it makes the corp stronger as a whole
so it needs to be in... next patch?
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Novarei
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Posted - 2004.12.17 20:31:00 -
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Edited by: Novarei on 17/12/2004 20:31:15
corp tax is very uesful, it makes the corp stronger as a whole
so it needs to be in... next patch?
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tomw
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Posted - 2004.12.17 21:54:00 -
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id like to hear what ccp has to say about this, its needed imo and because it can be set by the corp "assuming" then if you dont want to use it you dont have to. but it would make my life easier.
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tomw
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Posted - 2004.12.17 21:54:00 -
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id like to hear what ccp has to say about this, its needed imo and because it can be set by the corp "assuming" then if you dont want to use it you dont have to. but it would make my life easier.
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SoltonGris
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Posted - 2004.12.17 23:24:00 -
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Not needed.
If you need a way to force members to support the corp you have the wrong members or the wrong CEO and Directors. Its just a sign of a poor quality Corp to me.
I dont want to see 1 second of developers time wasted implimenting new bugs (however long they've been "promised" for) when their time could be better spent sorting out the ones we are already experiencing.
Theres more important things to work on and ccp seem to realize this which is why this and many of the other dumb things people see as a "MUST FIX NOW" issue arnt being addressed yet.
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SoltonGris
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Posted - 2004.12.17 23:24:00 -
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Not needed.
If you need a way to force members to support the corp you have the wrong members or the wrong CEO and Directors. Its just a sign of a poor quality Corp to me.
I dont want to see 1 second of developers time wasted implimenting new bugs (however long they've been "promised" for) when their time could be better spent sorting out the ones we are already experiencing.
Theres more important things to work on and ccp seem to realize this which is why this and many of the other dumb things people see as a "MUST FIX NOW" issue arnt being addressed yet.
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The PitBoss
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Posted - 2004.12.17 23:38:00 -
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Definately Needed.
Personally I get sick of asking people to donate ISK to the corp wallet. Believe it or not folks, your corporation does have expenses -or- do you think that nice office pays for itself. ALSO I believe now with exodus, you can use corporate funds to pay for sell/buy orders AND thier associated costs.
Now for the clown who says - "Well i donate regularly to my corp wallet"  ... well ... you're one of the few.
Shaving a up to 5% off of your transactions isn't much to ask to be a member of an organization AND probably won't be notice by characters older than 2 months.
REMEMBER: That first million is the hardest to make ... after that, you shouldn't have a problem making ISK in EVE.
The Pitboss
Alliance Executor
The Confederation
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The PitBoss
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Posted - 2004.12.17 23:38:00 -
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Definately Needed.
Personally I get sick of asking people to donate ISK to the corp wallet. Believe it or not folks, your corporation does have expenses -or- do you think that nice office pays for itself. ALSO I believe now with exodus, you can use corporate funds to pay for sell/buy orders AND thier associated costs.
Now for the clown who says - "Well i donate regularly to my corp wallet" ... well ... you're one of the few.
Shaving a up to 5% off of your transactions isn't much to ask to be a member of an organization AND probably won't be notice by characters older than 2 months.
REMEMBER: That first million is the hardest to make ... after that, you shouldn't have a problem making ISK in EVE.
The Pitboss
Alliance Executor
The Confederation
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Karch
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Posted - 2004.12.18 02:16:00 -
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Originally by: jbob2000
personally, i think it doesnt make sense to have corp tax. i mean think about it. you joined a corporation, and you should be getting payed, not paying the corp. Don't want to relate this to RL, but i guess i have to...if you joined a company like microsoft, would you pay them to work for them? no, they would pay you.
its a game...
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Karch
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Posted - 2004.12.18 02:16:00 -
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Originally by: jbob2000
personally, i think it doesnt make sense to have corp tax. i mean think about it. you joined a corporation, and you should be getting payed, not paying the corp. Don't want to relate this to RL, but i guess i have to...if you joined a company like microsoft, would you pay them to work for them? no, they would pay you.
its a game...
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MiloMorai
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Posted - 2004.12.18 03:06:00 -
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If you don't like the tax, start your own Corp and set it to 0.0%, some of us want/need it in. We don't have it set very high, but it will pay for the offices and lab slots once it gets here.
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MiloMorai
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Posted - 2004.12.18 03:06:00 -
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If you don't like the tax, start your own Corp and set it to 0.0%, some of us want/need it in. We don't have it set very high, but it will pay for the offices and lab slots once it gets here.
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2004.12.19 03:19:00 -
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Like alot of ppl say
WE NEED THIS INGAME
Please CCP gtet this working and in the next patch even if a CEO have to make a vote to be able to change that tax is accepteble but not having the tax in game is not
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2004.12.19 03:19:00 -
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Like alot of ppl say
WE NEED THIS INGAME
Please CCP gtet this working and in the next patch even if a CEO have to make a vote to be able to change that tax is accepteble but not having the tax in game is not
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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tomw
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Posted - 2004.12.24 15:51:00 -
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its not a matter of forcing the members to support the corp, its just a matter of making it easier for everyone to do so. everytime there is a patch im asked if we can use it yet. figure 1-2% off the sales would be plenty and no one has to break out a calculator.
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tomw
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Posted - 2004.12.24 15:51:00 -
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its not a matter of forcing the members to support the corp, its just a matter of making it easier for everyone to do so. everytime there is a patch im asked if we can use it yet. figure 1-2% off the sales would be plenty and no one has to break out a calculator.
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Lord Titanus
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Posted - 2004.12.24 17:31:00 -
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Edited by: Lord Titanus on 24/12/2004 17:35:59
Indeed it should be made available, but all current, corp taxvalues should be reset to 0.0% and tax voted in only, its only way it will/should work without being exploited by CEO's/Directors
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Lord Titanus
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Posted - 2004.12.24 17:31:00 -
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Edited by: Lord Titanus on 24/12/2004 17:35:59
Indeed it should be made available, but all current, corp taxvalues should be reset to 0.0% and tax voted in only, its only way it will/should work without being exploited by CEO's/Directors
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Ranger 1
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Posted - 2004.12.24 17:59:00 -
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I don't really think it can be exploited by CEO's and Directors. There is a max 10% tax that can be assigned. And frankly, if your worried about your CEO scamming you, it time to leave your corp.
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Ranger 1
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Posted - 2004.12.24 17:59:00 -
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I don't really think it can be exploited by CEO's and Directors. There is a max 10% tax that can be assigned. And frankly, if your worried about your CEO scamming you, it time to leave your corp.
Kill the enemy, and break their toys. |
Lord Titanus
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Posted - 2004.12.24 18:27:00 -
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Edited by: Lord Titanus on 24/12/2004 18:28:04
i did in-fact mean 'exploit' as take more than a fair share, 10% is a LARGE ammount especially when you have several hundred mil in your account, and for the record i have the bestest CEO evvarrgg  and id trust him with everything i own in-game 
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Lord Titanus
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Posted - 2004.12.24 18:27:00 -
[58]
Edited by: Lord Titanus on 24/12/2004 18:28:04
i did in-fact mean 'exploit' as take more than a fair share, 10% is a LARGE ammount especially when you have several hundred mil in your account, and for the record i have the bestest CEO evvarrgg and id trust him with everything i own in-game
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Kalric
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Posted - 2004.12.24 19:01:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Xavier Arron
Originally by: jbob2000
personally, i think it doesnt make sense to have corp tax. i mean think about it. you joined a corporation, and you should be getting payed, not paying the corp. Don't want to relate this to RL, but i guess i have to...if you joined a company like microsoft, would you pay them to work for them? no, they would pay you.
Yeah but in RL the company would get to keep everything you make and earn. So hand over all your agent mission rewards, all the ore you mined, all the loot you got NPC hunting. Hand over any tech 2 blueprints since any R&D IP would be owned by the company aswell.
In return you get minimal wage, and a crappy pension plan you can claim when your 65 .
AMEN !!
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Kalric
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Posted - 2004.12.24 19:01:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Xavier Arron
Originally by: jbob2000
personally, i think it doesnt make sense to have corp tax. i mean think about it. you joined a corporation, and you should be getting payed, not paying the corp. Don't want to relate this to RL, but i guess i have to...if you joined a company like microsoft, would you pay them to work for them? no, they would pay you.
Yeah but in RL the company would get to keep everything you make and earn. So hand over all your agent mission rewards, all the ore you mined, all the loot you got NPC hunting. Hand over any tech 2 blueprints since any R&D IP would be owned by the company aswell.
In return you get minimal wage, and a crappy pension plan you can claim when your 65 .
AMEN !!
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sableye
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Posted - 2004.12.24 19:23:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Captain blackadder
i dont want to pay tax ever
not ingame not out of game !!!!
you already pay it everytime you use the market.
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sableye
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Posted - 2004.12.24 19:23:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Captain blackadder
i dont want to pay tax ever
not ingame not out of game !!!!
you already pay it everytime you use the market.
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Sokudo
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Posted - 2004.12.25 12:32:00 -
[63]
I'm in for the Corp Tax... as a small corp, it'd be a good way to generate spare cash for the factories, offices and so on that we need to keep running, without us having to sit down and work out how much money you need to chuck in...
I *do* agree, though, that there needs to be a 3-day or similar vote to alter the tax rate... this would prevent unscrupulous CEO's from hiking the tax rate suddenly. At the least, there should be a 24 hour delay, so that the majority can read the mails.
But this is something that will be optional - nobodies forcing any corp to adopt it, but it'll be something to help make corps different, depending on their members' philosophies on life, the universe and taxes.
After all, we have death of sorts... why not have the *other* certainty too...?
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Sokudo
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Posted - 2004.12.25 12:32:00 -
[64]
I'm in for the Corp Tax... as a small corp, it'd be a good way to generate spare cash for the factories, offices and so on that we need to keep running, without us having to sit down and work out how much money you need to chuck in...
I *do* agree, though, that there needs to be a 3-day or similar vote to alter the tax rate... this would prevent unscrupulous CEO's from hiking the tax rate suddenly. At the least, there should be a 24 hour delay, so that the majority can read the mails.
But this is something that will be optional - nobodies forcing any corp to adopt it, but it'll be something to help make corps different, depending on their members' philosophies on life, the universe and taxes.
After all, we have death of sorts... why not have the *other* certainty too...?
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Doeko
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Posted - 2004.12.25 16:42:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Lord Titanus
Edited by: Lord Titanus on 24/12/2004 18:28:04
i did in-fact mean 'exploit' as take more than a fair share, 10% is a LARGE ammount especially when you have several hundred mil in your account, and for the record i have the bestest CEO evvarrgg and id trust him with everything i own in-game
Tax doesn't mean the corp wallet gets 10% of what is in your account already, just a whatever percentage (upto 10% I believe, it should be upto 100%, perhaps with a "security feature" that you can only make it go up 10% a day or something)of the total amount that is added to your total balance.
Now, I am wondering when the tax is going to be implemented. It can't be such a hard thing to code, especially since it was already (perhaps a bit buggy, can't say that I really know) in the game one time. It would be nice to know if it will be in the next patch or just soon(TM).
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Doeko
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Posted - 2004.12.25 16:42:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Lord Titanus
Edited by: Lord Titanus on 24/12/2004 18:28:04
i did in-fact mean 'exploit' as take more than a fair share, 10% is a LARGE ammount especially when you have several hundred mil in your account, and for the record i have the bestest CEO evvarrgg and id trust him with everything i own in-game
Tax doesn't mean the corp wallet gets 10% of what is in your account already, just a whatever percentage (upto 10% I believe, it should be upto 100%, perhaps with a "security feature" that you can only make it go up 10% a day or something)of the total amount that is added to your total balance.
Now, I am wondering when the tax is going to be implemented. It can't be such a hard thing to code, especially since it was already (perhaps a bit buggy, can't say that I really know) in the game one time. It would be nice to know if it will be in the next patch or just soon(TM).
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2004.12.26 21:29:00 -
[67]
the taxes as decreiped on the shiva page where you can adjust between 1-10% on anything from agent rewards to market to NPC kills (10 deferent things that each can be adjusted individually) would be extremely nice to get ingame
but even a basic market tax that a corp can set from .1-10% would be good
I dont care if you have a vote or not its proberly a good idear as it is possible to exploit (remeber 10% of 100 mill (the price of a tech II BS) is 10 mill) however again if you are in a corp where you dont trust your CEO/Directors its proberly time to change corp
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2004.12.26 21:29:00 -
[68]
the taxes as decreiped on the shiva page where you can adjust between 1-10% on anything from agent rewards to market to NPC kills (10 deferent things that each can be adjusted individually) would be extremely nice to get ingame
but even a basic market tax that a corp can set from .1-10% would be good
I dont care if you have a vote or not its proberly a good idear as it is possible to exploit (remeber 10% of 100 mill (the price of a tech II BS) is 10 mill) however again if you are in a corp where you dont trust your CEO/Directors its proberly time to change corp
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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2ippy
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Posted - 2004.12.26 21:39:00 -
[69]
i don't know why CCP hasn't prioritised this function. It is a fundemental basic element of the game, there is no good excuse why this ain't been fixed.
zippy
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2ippy
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Posted - 2004.12.26 21:39:00 -
[70]
i don't know why CCP hasn't prioritised this function. It is a fundemental basic element of the game, there is no good excuse why this ain't been fixed.
zippy
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Jennifer 8
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Posted - 2004.12.27 06:38:00 -
[71]
Edited by: Jennifer 8 on 27/12/2004 06:42:43
Hi all,
I have been running a corporation for more than a year now, having mostly good members, but also some who tend to put their personal goals above those of the corporation.
This will always be the case but without any tax, one simply has no fair system of generating profits for the corp, as those members who are donating will always be the loosers.
In EVE, a CEO must have a means to control this situation for providing an economically fair environment for all members. Hey, if a CEO abuses the tax-system, he's just another egoistic idiot... we all know that.
Nevertheless, having a tax system in place does not answer the main question a good CEO has to answer: Where does the money go to return profits to the corp!?
Regards,
Jennifer 8
P.S.: In RL you spend your worktime for a corporation and get your money for that. A corporation in EVE just returns - or should return - a different kind of payment (like ships, materials, etc.). I really wonder who's working in RL for paying the EVE-accounts of some in here...
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Jennifer 8
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Posted - 2004.12.27 06:38:00 -
[72]
Edited by: Jennifer 8 on 27/12/2004 06:42:43
Hi all,
I have been running a corporation for more than a year now, having mostly good members, but also some who tend to put their personal goals above those of the corporation.
This will always be the case but without any tax, one simply has no fair system of generating profits for the corp, as those members who are donating will always be the loosers.
In EVE, a CEO must have a means to control this situation for providing an economically fair environment for all members. Hey, if a CEO abuses the tax-system, he's just another egoistic idiot... we all know that.
Nevertheless, having a tax system in place does not answer the main question a good CEO has to answer: Where does the money go to return profits to the corp!?
Regards,
Jennifer 8
P.S.: In RL you spend your worktime for a corporation and get your money for that. A corporation in EVE just returns - or should return - a different kind of payment (like ships, materials, etc.). I really wonder who's working in RL for paying the EVE-accounts of some in here...
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Aelita
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Posted - 2004.12.27 08:23:00 -
[73]
Definitely, corp taxes are TOP priority as ever was. CCP somehow see it differently and they did remove it at launch. Many of you who do say no taxes we should be pay by corporation how wrong you are:
1st corporation have upkeep and this upkeep need to be played
2nd corporation can supply new members with ISK, stuff and this is why sharing come in play
3rd in beta there was feature called "Shares" it's still present in game but have no other function than voting about "sanctioned acts". In beta CEO had option to pay dividends to share holders.
In fact "taxes" in EVE aren't taxes but something called interest which making profit for corporation. Every member of corporation is asset who does producing interest thru taxes. Then it was possible to pay interest to each shareholder.
TAX was planed as vital part of EVE according to use of SHARES somehow these two features were thrown under desk by CCP development cycle. I see reflections in MARKET implementation. EVE seems to be more PvP centric now than economic based game as it was during BETA stage. Simply because PvP making EVE more sexy for causal players than ECONOMIC aspect in game.
It's a bit problematic because in MMO world there is no similar game with deep economic background like EVE and it draw in more mature players who does like to play monopoly like games. EVE had more faces than average MMO but slow degrading only to uniform face of other MMO games.
Shortly: "CCP WAKE UP TAXES AND SHARES WILL MAKE EVE BETTER"
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Aelita
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Posted - 2004.12.27 08:23:00 -
[74]
Definitely, corp taxes are TOP priority as ever was. CCP somehow see it differently and they did remove it at launch. Many of you who do say no taxes we should be pay by corporation how wrong you are:
1st corporation have upkeep and this upkeep need to be played
2nd corporation can supply new members with ISK, stuff and this is why sharing come in play
3rd in beta there was feature called "Shares" it's still present in game but have no other function than voting about "sanctioned acts". In beta CEO had option to pay dividends to share holders.
In fact "taxes" in EVE aren't taxes but something called interest which making profit for corporation. Every member of corporation is asset who does producing interest thru taxes. Then it was possible to pay interest to each shareholder.
TAX was planed as vital part of EVE according to use of SHARES somehow these two features were thrown under desk by CCP development cycle. I see reflections in MARKET implementation. EVE seems to be more PvP centric now than economic based game as it was during BETA stage. Simply because PvP making EVE more sexy for causal players than ECONOMIC aspect in game.
It's a bit problematic because in MMO world there is no similar game with deep economic background like EVE and it draw in more mature players who does like to play monopoly like games. EVE had more faces than average MMO but slow degrading only to uniform face of other MMO games.
Shortly: "CCP WAKE UP TAXES AND SHARES WILL MAKE EVE BETTER"
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TruthKeeper
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Posted - 2004.12.27 11:06:00 -
[75]
I agree. Corp taxes are needed, important and would improve greatly this wonderful game called EVE.
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TruthKeeper
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Posted - 2004.12.27 11:06:00 -
[76]
I agree. Corp taxes are needed, important and would improve greatly this wonderful game called EVE.
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2004.12.29 02:37:00 -
[77]
again I say PLEASE put those corp taxes in next patch
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2004.12.29 02:37:00 -
[78]
again I say PLEASE put those corp taxes in next patch
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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FatHed
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Posted - 2004.12.29 03:08:00 -
[79]
Screw the taxes, pay dividends on my shares.
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FatHed
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Posted - 2004.12.29 03:08:00 -
[80]
Screw the taxes, pay dividends on my shares.
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Clouse Cloud
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Posted - 2004.12.29 10:47:00 -
[81]
I think corp taxes would help alot. If your corp members are willing to pay the tax and they all agree to it then why not? Its another way of getting your corp some extra income without your members having to struggle to figure out how much to donate to the corp, now they dont have to.
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Clouse Cloud
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Posted - 2004.12.29 10:47:00 -
[82]
I think corp taxes would help alot. If your corp members are willing to pay the tax and they all agree to it then why not? Its another way of getting your corp some extra income without your members having to struggle to figure out how much to donate to the corp, now they dont have to.
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Primer Xenius
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Posted - 2004.12.29 11:08:00 -
[83]
*BUMPAGE*
I've been posting about this for ages.
FACTS:
* Its trivial to do!
* No amount of CCP hand waving will dispell thats it trivial to do.
* I'm pretty sure I read CCP dev claim it was very simple to do.
* It has been promised for a VERY long time
"we all know CA planned to attack Xetic "when the time was right" from day1" - Lallante
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Primer Xenius
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Posted - 2004.12.29 11:08:00 -
[84]
*BUMPAGE*
I've been posting about this for ages.
FACTS:
* Its trivial to do!
* No amount of CCP hand waving will dispell thats it trivial to do.
* I'm pretty sure I read CCP dev claim it was very simple to do.
* It has been promised for a VERY long time
"we all know CA planned to attack Xetic "when the time was right" from day1" - Lallante
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Steven Dynahir
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Posted - 2004.12.29 15:11:00 -
[85]
Quote:
3rd in beta there was feature called "Shares" it's still present in game but have no other function than voting about "sanctioned acts". In beta CEO had option to pay dividends to share holders.
Erm.. That feature can be found under the big button labelled "Dividents".
BTW: It works.
SigPl/HQ&Log Coy/MNB(C)/KFOR |
Steven Dynahir
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Posted - 2004.12.29 15:11:00 -
[86]
Quote:
3rd in beta there was feature called "Shares" it's still present in game but have no other function than voting about "sanctioned acts". In beta CEO had option to pay dividends to share holders.
Erm.. That feature can be found under the big button labelled "Dividents".
BTW: It works.
SigPl/HQ&Log Coy/MNB(C)/KFOR |
Erai
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Posted - 2004.12.29 16:27:00 -
[87]
Originally by: FatHed
Screw the taxes, pay dividends on my shares.
Would be best if divident would be activated parallel to corp taxes (imo)
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My bio
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Erai
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Posted - 2004.12.29 16:27:00 -
[88]
Originally by: FatHed
Screw the taxes, pay dividends on my shares.
Would be best if divident would be activated parallel to corp taxes (imo)
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My bio
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Aelita
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Posted - 2004.12.29 19:34:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Steven Dynahir
Quote:
3rd in beta there was feature called "Shares" it's still present in game but have no other function than voting about "sanctioned acts". In beta CEO had option to pay dividends to share holders.
Erm.. That feature can be found under the big button labelled "Dividents".
BTW: It works.
It doesn't work because dividends were pay from taxes :)
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Aelita
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Posted - 2004.12.29 19:34:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Steven Dynahir
Quote:
3rd in beta there was feature called "Shares" it's still present in game but have no other function than voting about "sanctioned acts". In beta CEO had option to pay dividends to share holders.
Erm.. That feature can be found under the big button labelled "Dividents".
BTW: It works.
It doesn't work because dividends were pay from taxes :)
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Quanteeri
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Posted - 2004.12.29 20:19:00 -
[91]
I would like it added also. Of course it would be an option, vote type thing, whatever.
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Quanteeri
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Posted - 2004.12.29 20:19:00 -
[92]
I would like it added also. Of course it would be an option, vote type thing, whatever.
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Prothos
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Posted - 2004.12.29 22:00:00 -
[93]
i would like to see corp tax added also. Its ironic they can add broker fee's and taxes on items you sell or buy from market, they can also find time to nerf items but they can't add/fix the corp tax system.
tisk tisk tisk CCP.
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Prothos
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Posted - 2004.12.29 22:00:00 -
[94]
i would like to see corp tax added also. Its ironic they can add broker fee's and taxes on items you sell or buy from market, they can also find time to nerf items but they can't add/fix the corp tax system.
tisk tisk tisk CCP.
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Allen Deckard
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Posted - 2004.12.29 22:08:00 -
[95]
Question:
What is being proposed about what is exactly taxed as far as the % to corp?
What about escrows? Or direct trades? What if I am the ore refiner for the corp and others are doing mining and giving to me to refine? They wouldn't have paid any tax right? I would have had to pay alot if I sold it.
Just currious what you guys are thinking about.
What if I am playing a hugh amount should I be shouldering a larget portion of the load for a corp?
Maybe a possible flat tax? Duno.
Not sure how something like this would work in a corp like ours. We mine together everyday one hauling few mining it's all combined in corp and we just take from corp account for whatever we need.
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Allen Deckard
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Posted - 2004.12.29 22:08:00 -
[96]
Question:
What is being proposed about what is exactly taxed as far as the % to corp?
What about escrows? Or direct trades? What if I am the ore refiner for the corp and others are doing mining and giving to me to refine? They wouldn't have paid any tax right? I would have had to pay alot if I sold it.
Just currious what you guys are thinking about.
What if I am playing a hugh amount should I be shouldering a larget portion of the load for a corp?
Maybe a possible flat tax? Duno.
Not sure how something like this would work in a corp like ours. We mine together everyday one hauling few mining it's all combined in corp and we just take from corp account for whatever we need.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2004.12.29 22:15:00 -
[97]
I'd only ever consider paying dividens to members if we could buy back stock lost to us, former members or retired ones.
Convert Stations
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2004.12.29 22:15:00 -
[98]
I'd only ever consider paying dividens to members if we could buy back stock lost to us, former members or retired ones.
Convert Stations
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2004.12.30 00:54:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Allen Deckard
Question:
What is being proposed about what is exactly taxed as far as the % to corp?
What about escrows? Or direct trades? What if I am the ore refiner for the corp and others are doing mining and giving to me to refine? They wouldn't have paid any tax right? I would have had to pay alot if I sold it.
Just currious what you guys are thinking about.
What if I am playing a hugh amount should I be shouldering a larget portion of the load for a corp?
Maybe a possible flat tax? Duno.
Not sure how something like this would work in a corp like ours. We mine together everyday one hauling few mining it's all combined in corp and we just take from corp account for whatever we need.
if you read the shiva pages they claim that come shiva (exodus) we were going to get a advanced Tax system with 10 deferent setting (like agent running, Market and more) the system that was back in Beta was a flat % system on all transactions
either system will work for me I prefer the advanced one but even the basic flat one is fine
either way this is something that need to be in the next patch please
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2004.12.30 00:54:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Allen Deckard
Question:
What is being proposed about what is exactly taxed as far as the % to corp?
What about escrows? Or direct trades? What if I am the ore refiner for the corp and others are doing mining and giving to me to refine? They wouldn't have paid any tax right? I would have had to pay alot if I sold it.
Just currious what you guys are thinking about.
What if I am playing a hugh amount should I be shouldering a larget portion of the load for a corp?
Maybe a possible flat tax? Duno.
Not sure how something like this would work in a corp like ours. We mine together everyday one hauling few mining it's all combined in corp and we just take from corp account for whatever we need.
if you read the shiva pages they claim that come shiva (exodus) we were going to get a advanced Tax system with 10 deferent setting (like agent running, Market and more) the system that was back in Beta was a flat % system on all transactions
either system will work for me I prefer the advanced one but even the basic flat one is fine
either way this is something that need to be in the next patch please
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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Tuwile Naldai
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Posted - 2004.12.30 02:14:00 -
[101]
Corp tax = % of what exactly?
Your wallet? **** that.
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Tuwile Naldai
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Posted - 2004.12.30 02:14:00 -
[102]
Corp tax = % of what exactly?
Your wallet? **** that.
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Serilla
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Posted - 2004.12.30 03:37:00 -
[103]
hmm been along while ago since they said it would be in. thought it was supposed to come out like 3 patches ago and then they delayed it till shiva.
would be a good feature
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Serilla
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Posted - 2004.12.30 03:37:00 -
[104]
hmm been along while ago since they said it would be in. thought it was supposed to come out like 3 patches ago and then they delayed it till shiva.
would be a good feature
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2004.12.30 09:07:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Tuwile Naldai
Corp tax = % of what exactly?
Your wallet? **** that.
no not your wallet your transactions (on the market) and/or your rewards (bounty's, agent rewards etc)
hi BTW serilla did not know you where still playing :-)
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2004.12.30 09:07:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Tuwile Naldai
Corp tax = % of what exactly?
Your wallet? **** that.
no not your wallet your transactions (on the market) and/or your rewards (bounty's, agent rewards etc)
hi BTW serilla did not know you where still playing :-)
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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Jin Entres
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Posted - 2004.12.30 09:29:00 -
[107]
I also second implementing the tax system as soon as possible. Like many have said, it is a neccessary tool for successful corporation management. A small amount of every transaction is barely noticable when you get used to it, unlike regular donations that show in your wallet instantly (and oftentimes get forgotten, too, possibly due to reluctancy).
As to the argument of making it yet another possibility for a CEO to scam the members - I think CEO already has all the capabilities of taking advantage of the corporation funds, this would not change the fact.
It would be but a very helpful tool, a way for people to bring their share into the community no matter what they do.
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Jin Entres
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Posted - 2004.12.30 09:29:00 -
[108]
I also second implementing the tax system as soon as possible. Like many have said, it is a neccessary tool for successful corporation management. A small amount of every transaction is barely noticable when you get used to it, unlike regular donations that show in your wallet instantly (and oftentimes get forgotten, too, possibly due to reluctancy).
As to the argument of making it yet another possibility for a CEO to scam the members - I think CEO already has all the capabilities of taking advantage of the corporation funds, this would not change the fact.
It would be but a very helpful tool, a way for people to bring their share into the community no matter what they do.
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space fox
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Posted - 2004.12.30 12:03:00 -
[109]
even if we had the option of a 0.5% tax or nothing it would be a great additon, quick fix till its sorted properly it dont realy need a vote and itd sort the corp funds probelmb, id never notice it and i bet nobody else would, if your dealing in 100s of isk im sure you can affod to lose 500k or so. Put this on the the to do list pls.
the above post contains no swearing; the devs do have other things to do
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space fox
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Posted - 2004.12.30 12:03:00 -
[110]
even if we had the option of a 0.5% tax or nothing it would be a great additon, quick fix till its sorted properly it dont realy need a vote and itd sort the corp funds probelmb, id never notice it and i bet nobody else would, if your dealing in 100s of isk im sure you can affod to lose 500k or so. Put this on the the to do list pls.
the above post contains no swearing; the devs do have other things to do
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Murod
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Posted - 2004.12.30 13:06:00 -
[111]
CCP
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Murod
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Posted - 2004.12.30 13:06:00 -
[112]
CCP
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2ippy
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Posted - 2004.12.30 13:36:00 -
[113]
give us a % tax on everything till we get advanced features in shiva, can't be to much to ask.
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2ippy
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Posted - 2004.12.30 13:36:00 -
[114]
give us a % tax on everything till we get advanced features in shiva, can't be to much to ask.
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CORE TRADER
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Posted - 2004.12.30 14:55:00 -
[115]
Tax System promised and not delivered.
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CORE TRADER
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Posted - 2004.12.30 14:55:00 -
[116]
Tax System promised and not delivered.
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Lufio II
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Posted - 2004.12.30 15:00:00 -
[117]
promised and postponed would be the correct statement in this case. If we were already in Kali Deployment or it would've been completely cancelled (which isn't the case afaik) then it would've been promised and not delivered.
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Lufio II
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Posted - 2004.12.30 15:00:00 -
[118]
promised and postponed would be the correct statement in this case. If we were already in Kali Deployment or it would've been completely cancelled (which isn't the case afaik) then it would've been promised and not delivered.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.12.30 15:09:00 -
[119]
"FACTS:
* Its trivial to do!
* No amount of CCP hand waving will dispell thats it trivial to do."
Long time ago there was thread started by the devs, who asked the community to help them figure out just how exactly the tax would work. I.e. what's get taxed, what doesn't, by what rules etc and so on.
The thread grew to something like 20-30 pages really quick. Didn't bother to track it myself, but from checking it occasionally it'd appear people had at least ten different ideas on how to implement it, most of them in conflict with every other.
So no, don't think it's as trivial as it might seem at first glance -.^;
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.12.30 15:09:00 -
[120]
"FACTS:
* Its trivial to do!
* No amount of CCP hand waving will dispell thats it trivial to do."
Long time ago there was thread started by the devs, who asked the community to help them figure out just how exactly the tax would work. I.e. what's get taxed, what doesn't, by what rules etc and so on.
The thread grew to something like 20-30 pages really quick. Didn't bother to track it myself, but from checking it occasionally it'd appear people had at least ten different ideas on how to implement it, most of them in conflict with every other.
So no, don't think it's as trivial as it might seem at first glance -.^;
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2ippy
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Posted - 2004.12.30 15:27:00 -
[121]
Edited by: 2ippy on 30/12/2004 15:27:45
this game is player based, they cater to us, and not the other way round. If enough ppl want tax now, then they have no excuse not to bump it up on there todo list.
If you don't cater to your clients, you don't have clients :)
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2ippy
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Posted - 2004.12.30 15:27:00 -
[122]
Edited by: 2ippy on 30/12/2004 15:27:45
this game is player based, they cater to us, and not the other way round. If enough ppl want tax now, then they have no excuse not to bump it up on there todo list.
If you don't cater to your clients, you don't have clients :)
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Murod
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Posted - 2004.12.30 15:31:00 -
[123]
Originally by: j0sephine
"FACTS:
* Its trivial to do!
* No amount of CCP hand waving will dispell thats it trivial to do."
Long time ago there was thread started by the devs, who asked the community to help them figure out just how exactly the tax would work. I.e. what's get taxed, what doesn't, by what rules etc and so on.
The thread grew to something like 20-30 pages really quick. Didn't bother to track it myself, but from checking it occasionally it'd appear people had at least ten different ideas on how to implement it, most of them in conflict with every other.
So no, don't think it's as trivial as it might seem at first glance -.^;
The Corp Tax package we were promised with the Exodus release gave the CEO the options as to what was taxed and what wasnt so conflicting idea's are not a valid excuse. Also, Tax was in the game and then taken out.
CCP
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Murod
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Posted - 2004.12.30 15:31:00 -
[124]
Originally by: j0sephine
"FACTS:
* Its trivial to do!
* No amount of CCP hand waving will dispell thats it trivial to do."
Long time ago there was thread started by the devs, who asked the community to help them figure out just how exactly the tax would work. I.e. what's get taxed, what doesn't, by what rules etc and so on.
The thread grew to something like 20-30 pages really quick. Didn't bother to track it myself, but from checking it occasionally it'd appear people had at least ten different ideas on how to implement it, most of them in conflict with every other.
So no, don't think it's as trivial as it might seem at first glance -.^;
The Corp Tax package we were promised with the Exodus release gave the CEO the options as to what was taxed and what wasnt so conflicting idea's are not a valid excuse. Also, Tax was in the game and then taken out.
CCP
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2004.12.31 03:40:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Murod
Originally by: j0sephine
"FACTS:
* Its trivial to do!
* No amount of CCP hand waving will dispell thats it trivial to do."
Long time ago there was thread started by the devs, who asked the community to help them figure out just how exactly the tax would work. I.e. what's get taxed, what doesn't, by what rules etc and so on.
The thread grew to something like 20-30 pages really quick. Didn't bother to track it myself, but from checking it occasionally it'd appear people had at least ten different ideas on how to implement it, most of them in conflict with every other.
So no, don't think it's as trivial as it might seem at first glance -.^;
The Corp Tax package we were promised with the Exodus release gave the CEO the options as to what was taxed and what wasnt so conflicting idea's are not a valid excuse. Also, Tax was in the game and then taken out.
CCP
yep it was something that I was really looking forward to that we CEO's finally got a real way of financing the corp instead of a few ppl finacing the whoile corp by them self
its been said several times already that if you dont trust your CEO its proberly time for you to find another corp (we are hiring )
and even a vote for increases of the Tax rate would not matter (might only be fair as it will give the members a chance to leave the corp if they dont want to pay the tax)
again our corp does not have Isk trouble as such but it would be a lot easyer to keep Isk in the corp wallet by implemending something that should have been ingame since Beta (well was ingame in beta but was taken out for reasons unknown) the corp tax needs to be made a Priorety
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2004.12.31 03:40:00 -
[126]
Originally by: Murod
Originally by: j0sephine
"FACTS:
* Its trivial to do!
* No amount of CCP hand waving will dispell thats it trivial to do."
Long time ago there was thread started by the devs, who asked the community to help them figure out just how exactly the tax would work. I.e. what's get taxed, what doesn't, by what rules etc and so on.
The thread grew to something like 20-30 pages really quick. Didn't bother to track it myself, but from checking it occasionally it'd appear people had at least ten different ideas on how to implement it, most of them in conflict with every other.
So no, don't think it's as trivial as it might seem at first glance -.^;
The Corp Tax package we were promised with the Exodus release gave the CEO the options as to what was taxed and what wasnt so conflicting idea's are not a valid excuse. Also, Tax was in the game and then taken out.
CCP
yep it was something that I was really looking forward to that we CEO's finally got a real way of financing the corp instead of a few ppl finacing the whoile corp by them self
its been said several times already that if you dont trust your CEO its proberly time for you to find another corp (we are hiring )
and even a vote for increases of the Tax rate would not matter (might only be fair as it will give the members a chance to leave the corp if they dont want to pay the tax)
again our corp does not have Isk trouble as such but it would be a lot easyer to keep Isk in the corp wallet by implemending something that should have been ingame since Beta (well was ingame in beta but was taken out for reasons unknown) the corp tax needs to be made a Priorety
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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VIXIT CORP
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Posted - 2004.12.31 08:53:00 -
[127]
We as a corp need taxes to pay rents of offices, lab's and factories.
Many people asking to implement it but no answer from CCP, they told
on exodus pages that it will come soon(tm) but when is that?
I as CEO is trying to get a tax from every player in the corp on a weekly
basis but still i have to remind everyone every week to pay it.
I hope this will not take to long as soon can be a very long time
CU in EvE and have fun
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VIXIT CORP
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Posted - 2004.12.31 08:53:00 -
[128]
We as a corp need taxes to pay rents of offices, lab's and factories.
Many people asking to implement it but no answer from CCP, they told
on exodus pages that it will come soon(tm) but when is that?
I as CEO is trying to get a tax from every player in the corp on a weekly
basis but still i have to remind everyone every week to pay it.
I hope this will not take to long as soon can be a very long time
CU in EvE and have fun
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Kardose Plathian
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Posted - 2004.12.31 10:23:00 -
[129]
I'm for Tax, the reasons have already been mentioned elsewhere in this thread.
It doesn't need to be greater then 10% if it's transactional based (which is the the only logical way to implement it).
I think there are too many greedy people who are about self gain over the bigger picture. The ability to ask any question (whether it can be answered or not) is worth the Corp (support) Tax alone. Seems people would like to be part of a Corp with all the trimmings but not foot the bill.
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Kardose Plathian
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Posted - 2004.12.31 10:23:00 -
[130]
I'm for Tax, the reasons have already been mentioned elsewhere in this thread.
It doesn't need to be greater then 10% if it's transactional based (which is the the only logical way to implement it).
I think there are too many greedy people who are about self gain over the bigger picture. The ability to ask any question (whether it can be answered or not) is worth the Corp (support) Tax alone. Seems people would like to be part of a Corp with all the trimmings but not foot the bill.
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Amaron Ghant
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Posted - 2004.12.31 11:58:00 -
[131]
For tax or against tax, it really doesn't matter what side of the argument you brandish your railgun, laser or Projectile weapon from. The whole point of the matter is in the blurb for corporations in Exodus CCP mention corp tax as one of the features. My character has been alive for a whole year now, and in that time Corp Tax has always been mentioned as a corporation feature. It's STILL not working and no one at CCP has mentioned anything about it. False Advertising is I believe illegal. If you say something is in, it should be in, or a reason given as to why it's not.
Will I quit the game in disgust? Nope. Just another blip on the road to galactic conquest. I would however request an update from CCP on this non existent feature. Either put it in people, or remove all mention of it from your documentation.
Roids are a Menece I tell you, hunt then down I say, hunt them down!!
Amaron Ghant the Mad Caldari Miner |
Amaron Ghant
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Posted - 2004.12.31 11:58:00 -
[132]
For tax or against tax, it really doesn't matter what side of the argument you brandish your railgun, laser or Projectile weapon from. The whole point of the matter is in the blurb for corporations in Exodus CCP mention corp tax as one of the features. My character has been alive for a whole year now, and in that time Corp Tax has always been mentioned as a corporation feature. It's STILL not working and no one at CCP has mentioned anything about it. False Advertising is I believe illegal. If you say something is in, it should be in, or a reason given as to why it's not.
Will I quit the game in disgust? Nope. Just another blip on the road to galactic conquest. I would however request an update from CCP on this non existent feature. Either put it in people, or remove all mention of it from your documentation.
Roids are a Menece I tell you, hunt then down I say, hunt them down!!
Amaron Ghant the Mad Caldari Miner |
Kipkruide
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Posted - 2004.12.31 13:08:00 -
[133]
taxes taxes, and none of this 10% crap either.. i want -> 100% on votes.
hehe.
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Kipkruide
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Posted - 2004.12.31 13:08:00 -
[134]
taxes taxes, and none of this 10% crap either.. i want -> 100% on votes.
hehe.
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Trek
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Posted - 2004.12.31 16:30:00 -
[135]
I absolutley agree! I started a week or two after release and I've been missing the corp tax ever since. Please prioritize it a bit more...
Also I see no reason to limit it to 10%. If a corp wants to be all out communistic (or whatever kind of *-ism it might correspond to), let them!
A problem however might be traders who buy, ship and sell goods for only a couple of percent gain after the brokers fee etc. Even if 1% is a very small number, it would take huge chunks out of the profit for them.
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My other ship is a Reaper
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Trek
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Posted - 2004.12.31 16:30:00 -
[136]
I absolutley agree! I started a week or two after release and I've been missing the corp tax ever since. Please prioritize it a bit more...
Also I see no reason to limit it to 10%. If a corp wants to be all out communistic (or whatever kind of *-ism it might correspond to), let them!
A problem however might be traders who buy, ship and sell goods for only a couple of percent gain after the brokers fee etc. Even if 1% is a very small number, it would take huge chunks out of the profit for them.
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My other ship is a Reaper
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Sokudo
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Posted - 2004.12.31 17:06:00 -
[137]
To be honest, if someone is selling ore or minerals for the corp, they should be using the "Use Corp Wallet" feature anyhow... 
So the taxes are not really relevant to that.
As for sales, I'd like to see at least one decimal place for taxes too - so you you want to have 0.1% of members' sales, it would be possible (that's 1 ISK in the 1,000 - enough for larger corps to pay for factories and labs without really taxing their members. It also allows for finer tuning, such as 2.5% tax (25 Isk in the 1k).
I think that taxes would help the larger corps to run their POS more easily - if you can generate enough ISK a week through taxes, the POS would be pure profit for the corp... without too much of a burden through taxes and would probably free all of their corp members from ice mining if desired. Assuming 1,000 members, each member would only need to generate 100k each - not too difficult... especially when each kill or sale of minerals generates a few ISK each time.
Of course, nobody's forcing a corp to adopt it, but it would help a lot for those who want it.
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Sokudo
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Posted - 2004.12.31 17:06:00 -
[138]
To be honest, if someone is selling ore or minerals for the corp, they should be using the "Use Corp Wallet" feature anyhow...
So the taxes are not really relevant to that.
As for sales, I'd like to see at least one decimal place for taxes too - so you you want to have 0.1% of members' sales, it would be possible (that's 1 ISK in the 1,000 - enough for larger corps to pay for factories and labs without really taxing their members. It also allows for finer tuning, such as 2.5% tax (25 Isk in the 1k).
I think that taxes would help the larger corps to run their POS more easily - if you can generate enough ISK a week through taxes, the POS would be pure profit for the corp... without too much of a burden through taxes and would probably free all of their corp members from ice mining if desired. Assuming 1,000 members, each member would only need to generate 100k each - not too difficult... especially when each kill or sale of minerals generates a few ISK each time.
Of course, nobody's forcing a corp to adopt it, but it would help a lot for those who want it.
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Murod
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Posted - 2005.01.01 13:07:00 -
[139]
CCP
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2005.01.01 20:14:00 -
[140]
you guys are right actuelly on the 10% limit trhere is no reason for it
again if you dont trust you CEO you are in the wrong corp
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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Henry Crook
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Posted - 2005.01.02 18:33:00 -
[141]
shameless bump
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2005.01.03 22:04:00 -
[142]
another shameless bump
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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smeggy
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Posted - 2005.01.05 11:39:00 -
[143]
Is anyone alive in CCP its now the 5th surely people are back from their holidays. No news no replies come on guys reply before people get bored and think u have abandoned them in deep space..
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2005.01.05 22:21:00 -
[144]
nope no one alive at CCP only that dumbass reply back on page 2 that was more of a disapointment than anything :-(
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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Murod
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Posted - 2005.01.05 23:13:00 -
[145]
CCP
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Serilla
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Posted - 2005.01.06 00:53:00 -
[146]
i would like to see a response to this as well.
hopefully it can come in the next patch.
like someone else pointed out..
along time ago they said it would just work with .ref keys and it should be a fairly easy thing to implement.
well they implemented broker fees and all those other ones.. so do those not use .ref keys to?
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Wanoah
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Posted - 2005.01.06 05:22:00 -
[147]
I was quite looking forward to this being implemented in Exodus - it would make my life much easier. Corp tax and the ever-elusive wallet export feature.
It seems that much of the nuts and bolts, make life easier stuff got relegated in favour of the shiny stuff with more of a wow factor. I can't really blame the devs for that tbh. Imagine them trying to sell Exodus on the basis of corp tax implementation, role/title management etc rather than POS, new ships, new interface, and improved agent stuff.
Once they squish some of the more prominent bugs, and balance projectiles, I really hope they spend some time on some of the basic things like corp tax, missing blueprints, and the whole contraband/criminal flagging debacle before they start introducing more new features.
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Amaron Ghant
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Posted - 2005.01.06 11:42:00 -
[148]
And still we wait for CCP to deign to comment on the lack of something promised in exodus.
Hmmm. Wonder if a mad flood of petitions will make them sit up and pay attention. Do CCP have anyone who is paid to trawl the boards and listen ( and reply ) to our concerns?
Roids are a Menece I tell you, hunt then down I say, hunt them down!!
Amaron Ghant the Mad Caldari Miner |
Lidza
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Posted - 2005.01.06 11:52:00 -
[149]
Another vote for CORP TAX (promised by CCP long time ago)
Also I would like to add...
1) BPs lockdown in the divisions (not in the useless containers... or allow research to use those containers)
2) Divisions wallet (promissed for Exodus and removed by-last-minute-dot-com).
But above all implement once for all the CORP TAX. Many thanks
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Matthew
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Posted - 2005.01.06 11:57:00 -
[150]
Originally by: 2ippy
Edited by: 2ippy on 30/12/2004 15:27:45
this game is player based, they cater to us, and not the other way round. If enough ppl want tax now, then they have no excuse not to bump it up on there todo list.
If you don't cater to your clients, you don't have clients :)
True, but just looking on this forum, there are many other things players want now, so if all these things get bumped up the todo list, the list kinda stays the same!
They don't have the excuse not to prioritise, they do have the excuse to be slightly less than godlike in their abilities (devs ARE still only human, after all).
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Thyro
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Posted - 2005.01.06 12:06:00 -
[151]
Edited by: Thyro on 06/01/2005 12:09:48
Originally by: Matthew
(devs ARE still only human, after all).
Quite true...
If they were Gods then we will not see so many Bugs and things that were working before stop working after a patch/upgrade.
Quite true ur affirmation Devs are human
But I also reckon that DEVS should not pretend to be politicians... coz Politicians are the ones that promise things that they know that they will not deliver.
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Murod
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Posted - 2005.01.06 12:17:00 -
[152]
Originally by: Matthew
Originally by: 2ippy
Edited by: 2ippy on 30/12/2004 15:27:45
this game is player based, they cater to us, and not the other way round. If enough ppl want tax now, then they have no excuse not to bump it up on there todo list.
If you don't cater to your clients, you don't have clients :)
True, but just looking on this forum, there are many other things players want now, so if all these things get bumped up the todo list, the list kinda stays the same!
They don't have the excuse not to prioritise, they do have the excuse to be slightly less than godlike in their abilities (devs ARE still only human, after all).
This is really besides the point as Corp Tax was in the game before and then taken out and CCP have been saying that they are going to be brining it back ever since.
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Murod
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Posted - 2005.01.06 13:58:00 -
[153]
Originally by: Wanoah
I was quite looking forward to this being implemented in Exodus - it would make my life much easier. Corp tax and the ever-elusive wallet export feature.
It seems that much of the nuts and bolts, make life easier stuff got relegated in favour of the shiny stuff with more of a wow factor. I can't really blame the devs for that tbh. Imagine them trying to sell Exodus on the basis of corp tax implementation, role/title management etc rather than POS, new ships, new interface, and improved agent stuff.
Once they squish some of the more prominent bugs, and balance projectiles, I really hope they spend some time on some of the basic things like corp tax, missing blueprints, and the whole contraband/criminal flagging debacle before they start introducing more new features.
I agree that trying to sell Exodus on the Corporation Tax System and other Corp Imporovements would be rather difficult but wouldnt you agree that at this point in time we are paying for an unfinished product. It doesnt matter wether people agree with Corporation Tax or not or wether they feel other things should be implemented first. We were promised all of these Corp improvements and many other things aswell that we have still not got.
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smeggy
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Posted - 2005.01.06 17:07:00 -
[154]
Whats annoying me more than anything else is the lack of feedback.
No word from the devs at all about what is happening no news its like they have just left us. Its not just corep tax that people would like to know what is going on. It would be nice if someone let us know about lag server issues new patch timeframe anything.
But not a ****ie bird of a reply. Devs time to show u are here and working on the problems let us know some answers please we as customers do deserve this at least.
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Murod
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Posted - 2005.01.06 17:23:00 -
[155]
Yes, some feedback would be nice. I can understand that they are busy working to try and resolve these issues, I am sure we all know that they are but just a quick post to say 'Yes, we are aware of this and we are doing this about it'.
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2005.01.07 01:10:00 -
[156]
getting this before Kali would be rreally nice
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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Shadar Ishaan
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Posted - 2005.01.07 14:02:00 -
[157]
Getting this before Kali should be required.
Friendly bump. This is very important to a lot of us.
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smeggy
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Posted - 2005.01.07 20:14:00 -
[158]
Well its nice to see the devs are alive (news about the new ships), but maybe they havnt been listening.
Devs before you start introducing new ships and other toys introduce the things you have been promising so that what we were expecting exodus to be can be accumplished. BTW I know Titans have been talked about for a long time too.
Come on Devs this game isnt just about ships its also much more than that let us know what your doing to fix all the things that havnt been brought out in the beta program we seem to be paying for.
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Shadar Ishaan
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Posted - 2005.01.08 08:41:00 -
[159]
pointless bump... might as well be ignored on the first page. :)
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Murod
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Posted - 2005.01.09 13:22:00 -
[160]
Edited by: Murod on 09/01/2005 13:22:38
There is no ways that i can believe for a second that not a single DEV has read this thread. It kinda makes you wonder, doesn it. Perhaps Corp Tax not coming out at all, like promised (even before Exodus)
CCP
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Cassendra
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Posted - 2005.01.09 13:36:00 -
[161]
Originally by: Dezzyb0y
The jump drive skill was released before i started the game a year ago... i still see none of these? Lots of stuff has been planned but never properly implimented, Its not nesercarry just ask your members for isk when ya need it.
Depends on the corp you are running. Works for those that are more like a clan with buddies. For very large industrial corps automated corp tax would help tremendously. To put it simply, CCP has not been able to implement tools to grow megacorps so the administrative burden becomes impossible once a certain size is reached.
Corp tax and automatic bill payment is a priority. Internal corp markets would be cool as well.
I agree that RL corp life is something to be avoided. Putting in a max of features to facilitate growing large corps in the game would help many CEO characters in avoiding precisely that.
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Director, Soldiers of Anarchy
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2005.01.09 22:01:00 -
[162]
in adition with the aliance cost we need a working corp tax feature so we can pay the cost of being in a aliance
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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Rhedea
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Posted - 2005.01.09 22:49:00 -
[163]
Just change the market tax to corp tax and give it to the corp. A n00bie corp the tax would just disappear like it does now.
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2005.01.10 01:34:00 -
[164]
Originally by: Rhedea
Just change the market tax to corp tax and give it to the corp. A n00bie corp the tax would just disappear like it does now.
although that would work to I would prefer having the "real" thing ingame (custem tax system)
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2005.01.11 00:54:00 -
[165]
shameless bump
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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Murod
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Posted - 2005.01.11 21:31:00 -
[166]
CCP
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2005.01.12 01:06:00 -
[167]
Originally by: Murod
CCP
any comment even like this will come in Kali would be really really Apreciated
I know ISD ppl read these threads any chance that they can stear a GM in the direction of this thread even if he answers the thread and lock it so we cant argue over he's (or her's) response
it is a major issue and us requesting a answer to when this will make it ingame would really be apreciated
mind you I guess we could always petition and ask in a petition
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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smeggy
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Posted - 2005.01.13 12:05:00 -
[168]
Well looks like CCP are not answering their customers who should be important to them, on subjects that are very important. Next patch is the 18th lets see what happens then but im betting it wont be in this patch either.
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2005.01.14 01:38:00 -
[169]
Originally by: smeggy
Well looks like CCP are not answering their customers who should be important to them, on subjects that are very important. Next patch is the 18th lets see what happens then but im betting it wont be in this patch either.
I am to 
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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Serilla
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Posted - 2005.01.14 05:37:00 -
[170]
no way this will be in the next patch.
look for this feature in 2006
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w0rmy
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Posted - 2005.01.14 09:15:00 -
[171]
Originally by: smeggy
Well looks like CCP are not answering their customers who should be important to them, on subjects that are very important.
Dont be silly, they have the customers now, why should they place effort into retaining them?
Damn I hate being taken for granted 
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2005.01.15 17:23:00 -
[172]
Originally by: w0rmy
Originally by: smeggy
Well looks like CCP are not answering their customers who should be important to them, on subjects that are very important.
Dont be silly, they have the customers now, why should they place effort into retaining them?
Damn I hate being taken for granted
yep
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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Wendat Huron
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Posted - 2005.01.15 18:30:00 -
[173]
Edited by: Wendat Huron on 15/01/2005 18:32:31
Originally by: w0rmy
Originally by: smeggy
Well looks like CCP are not answering their customers who should be important to them, on subjects that are very important.
Dont be silly, they have the customers now, why should they place effort into retaining them?
Damn I hate being taken for granted
You're a worm, everyone takes worms for granted, now a snake on the other hand...
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Fuse
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Posted - 2005.01.15 23:15:00 -
[174]
Originally by: Dezzyb0y
The jump drive skill was released before i started the game a year ago... i still see none of these? Lots of stuff has been planned but never properly implimented, Its not nesercarry just ask your members for isk when ya need it.
I doubt that we will see jumpdrive soon because it is bad for subscriptions. Like you I hate driving all the way across eve just to get in some pvp. I use a clone jumpable alt to do pvp now. I hope they just release it clean and not some b@st@rdized version of what they said they would release. Stand and deliver.
0.o It's not you... no wait it is you. |
Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2005.01.16 13:13:00 -
[175]
Originally by: Fuse
Originally by: Dezzyb0y
The jump drive skill was released before i started the game a year ago... i still see none of these? Lots of stuff has been planned but never properly implimented, Its not nesercarry just ask your members for isk when ya need it.
I doubt that we will see jumpdrive soon because it is bad for subscriptions. Like you I hate driving all the way across eve just to get in some pvp. I use a clone jumpable alt to do pvp now. I hope they just release it clean and not some b@st@rdized version of what they said they would release. Stand and deliver.
read the dev block
Jump drives are suppose to come out this year with some of the new ships (like Titans)
if we actuelly see them this year is another matter entirely
anyway the topic here is corp taxes and I would like to request that ppl stay on topic (so that we dont give the Forum moderators any reason to lock this thread)
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2005.01.17 13:52:00 -
[176]
another shameless (useless) bump
Please do not purposely bump threads, Thank you - Jacques Archambault
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2005.01.19 03:30:00 -
[177]
I heard Oveur was answering some posts today unfortunatly this was not one of them
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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Serilla
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Posted - 2005.01.19 08:21:00 -
[178]
doubt they will respond paw.
but they are aware..
they have been aware since the started corp taxes in beta i think...
and they have been aware since they were supposed to come ingame like 3-4 times since then....
rant off.....
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smeggy
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Posted - 2005.01.19 11:07:00 -
[179]
Has anyone been to the test server to see if its in the patch?
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Jim Steele
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Posted - 2005.01.19 12:11:00 -
[180]
our agent runners pay 5mil a week subscription which goes on Bp purchases aswell as a 'bank' to issue emergancy funds should someone loose a Bs or whatever and need insurence isk.
I'd rather see a percentage tax so people who earn less pay a proportionate ammount to those who earn millions/billions/day
Death to the Galante |
Scifi
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Posted - 2005.01.21 01:33:00 -
[181]
I too would like Corp tax added in. I'm not exactly consistant with my Eve time(gasp!) and I'd feel a lot better about contributing to my corp if I knew a percentage of my cash just ticked off every so sale rather then every couple of weeks going "Oh nuts did I actually contribute to the corp last week?".
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Drunken Claptrap
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Posted - 2005.01.21 01:57:00 -
[182]
Yeah, c'mon CCP, finger out of butt time.......bring in corp tax now!
I think it's an essential part of the game that is sadly missing.
If ppl find their CEO is lining their own pockets with this, they can find another corp....Afterall, that would be corruption right?
Ooh, I can see this being FUN, if and when it happens.
Draft Beer Not People |
Gericault m0id
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Posted - 2005.01.21 04:21:00 -
[183]
Yes, add corp tax to get an end to the inconsistent donations / weekly random payment culture. A taxation system would help smaller corps develop much quicker (I think)
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2005.01.22 00:03:00 -
[184]
yep
BTW when is the next patch
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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NastyLlama
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Posted - 2005.01.22 11:07:00 -
[185]
I realy think ccp needs to sort this out, been a long time coming and its no good just ignoring it
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I'M not a carebear, I'M a total coward, beware of cornerd carebares and cowards, we winge and cry like cornered pirates..........
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Amaron Ghant
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Posted - 2005.01.22 11:41:00 -
[186]
Corp tax needs to be in. They promised it. It was in the blurb for exodus. It's not here.
I'll ***** and whine about paying the taxes my corp sets when it's in. However I'll have the option of leaving the corp if I disagree with the policy.
Get Corp tax working and żmplemented CCP. Broken promises and ignoring your customers is whats known as a BAD thing.
Roids are a Menece I tell you, hunt then down I say, hunt them down!!
Amaron Ghant the Mad Caldari Miner |
Kurosuga Sin
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Posted - 2005.01.22 11:45:00 -
[187]
Im fairly new, but I have to agree, as previously mentioned, the administrative burden of running an Industrial Megacorp would currently be very, very heavy, as even if you impose a weekly tax in ISK form, in a corp of over 100 members keeping track of who has and who has not payed would be a full-time job.
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2005.01.23 01:54:00 -
[188]
another thing not getting mentioned is the aliance part of this
the aliance need to be able to also set a tax how else are it to survive
on top of this this would be 1 way to force ppl out of NPC corps if the NPC corps had a high tax rate
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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smeggy
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Posted - 2005.01.27 08:57:00 -
[189]
Just read the latest patch notes.
Still many features that were supposed to be brought in with exoduse are not in, including corp tax. This has now become a joke am i having the XXss taken out of me well yes it looks like i am. Customers to ccp dont seem to mean much many new ones out there well they wont stay long if CCP dont buck thier ideas up. CCP Sort out the features you have promised stop developing new ones till u have delivered what has been promised, I mean how simple is it dont place a feature into the description if u cant deliver.
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Hans Roaming
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Posted - 2005.01.27 12:45:00 -
[190]
I think that a corporate and alliance income tax is a very good idea, tbh a flat tax on income and not assets is the way to go in my opinion. A % rate is much fairer to new and old players, especially as really apart from ammo all Eve income is practically disposable and hence the situation is less like real life in that respect.
As a director in one corp and a CEO of another (via an alt) it would help tremendously just to be able to set a flat rate of say .5 or 1% and use that money to aquire things like ship BPO's etc.
WTS: Male, 37, single, can fly starships, build rockets and dance Salsa.
WTB: Female, plays eve, lives near London UK |
Kurosuga Sin
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Posted - 2005.01.27 12:56:00 -
[191]
Originally by: Hans Roaming
I think that a corporate and alliance income tax is a very good idea, tbh a flat tax on income and not assets is the way to go in my opinion. A % rate is much fairer to new and old players, especially as really apart from ammo all Eve income is practically disposable and hence the situation is less like real life in that respect.
As a director in one corp and a CEO of another (via an alt) it would help tremendously just to be able to set a flat rate of say .5 or 1% and use that money to aquire things like ship BPO's etc.
Exactly, why should a few of the best members in a corp have to pay for everyone elses cheap ships with donations. A flat percentage-based income tax is the best way forward, both on the corporation and alliance levels, its also the fairest way to deal with contributions from casual players.
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smeggy
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Posted - 2005.01.27 16:17:00 -
[192]
Edited by: smeggy on 27/01/2005 16:17:24
Yes exactly but none of the devs even reply to this thread last patch they promised corp tax would be there it didnt happen and it isnt going to happen in this patch. This thread is now 7 pages long so its obviously important and about time someone from the dev team gave us some idea of when or if it will happen. If its not going to be implimented maybe its time to find a game thats fairer on new players. No it doesnt mean im leaving just yet so u cant have my stuff
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smeggy
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Posted - 2005.01.28 13:50:00 -
[193]
Devs ISD come on answer the questions laid out by so many people here.
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FileCop AI
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Posted - 2005.01.29 14:13:00 -
[194]
oh yes, we need this. And to you whiners - you can just set it to 0, problem solved. But we NEED this.
FileCop AI of MASS
Co-CEO |
Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2005.01.30 01:14:00 -
[195]
Originally by: FileCop AI
oh yes, we need this. And to you whiners - you can just set it to 0, problem solved. But we NEED this.
actuelly there has not been any whiners so far
suggestions of a max tax rate and such but no one whining
cussing (from me) but thats just that I am mad that this is not ingame and it really should be
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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Oburn
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Posted - 2005.01.30 01:49:00 -
[196]
I have legs....bring back corp tax.
If you melt dry ice can you swim in it and not get wet? |
Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2005.01.30 22:06:00 -
[197]
Originally by: Oburn
I have legs....bring back corp tax.
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2005.02.02 00:42:00 -
[198]
new patch no tax
when (if ever is it coming)
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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Thyro
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Posted - 2005.02.02 08:35:00 -
[199]
I've remeber one thing...
This is still not implemented
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2005.02.02 20:16:00 -
[200]
we got 7 pages here asking for this back and no comment from anyone
even a we are working on it we will put it in Kali but something :-(
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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smeggy
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Posted - 2005.02.04 05:05:00 -
[201]
Well Im bored of this lack of Dev care now. Devs seem to have two things on thier minds. One getting new players in game with advertising and not worry about the impact on the servers which can hardly handle the load as it is. Two new content without caring about the things they havnt brought in that have been promised. Devs time to get ya fingers out fix these things get stuff implimented this would have kept old players about and new players whouldnt have been such a problem. Its time to talk devs the inability of you guys talking to the community is starting to hurt you guys seriously. Ive noticed a few of our corp are leaving or just getting bored and not logging on now. This being caused by the lack of love the devs and CCP show the community. Devs sort it out give us info even if its to keep people from leaving, use ya brains a little chat would go a long way.
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smeggy
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Posted - 2005.02.04 17:32:00 -
[202]
Edited by: smeggy on 04/02/2005 17:33:27
Just read the new blog. So are we being told that features not implimented in exodus are not to be released and made to work until the next major content patch, yet bringing in other things is coming in. Oh well CCP can start to kiss goodbye to many people I know who play eve. Shame really the numbers of people Ive been able to play with has gone down a lot guess this will make it even harder to play with friends. CCP u have made some major c Ups and some good things but releasing a product without features that are in the feature page has been one of your biggest, disserpointing a lot of fans.
I hope I will stay but well after this Im not sure.
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2005.02.06 03:43:00 -
[203]
I am also very disapointed that this is not inage :-(
aparently there is no plans either to get this ingame
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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Shadar Ishaan
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Posted - 2005.02.06 04:10:00 -
[204]
The plan is to ignore us into oblivion.
Thanks for keeping this thread alive, btw. Hopefully we can get about 20 pages with no response. :)
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2005.02.07 15:18:00 -
[205]
Originally by: Shadar Ishaan
The plan is to ignore us into oblivion.
Thanks for keeping this thread alive, btw. Hopefully we can get about 20 pages with no response. :)
well every now and again I will cry when the post is at the 7-8 page
any aditional commnts and votes to get this ingamwe ASAP will be apreciated
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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JD's
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Posted - 2005.02.07 15:41:00 -
[206]
signed
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Shadar Ishaan
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Posted - 2005.02.08 13:59:00 -
[207]
We want Corp Tax.
We want Corp Tax.
We also want this thread on page 1.
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2005.02.09 05:01:00 -
[208]
Originally by: Shadar Ishaan
We want Corp Tax.
We want Corp Tax.
We also want this thread on page 1.
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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Tahreem
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Posted - 2005.02.09 05:22:00 -
[209]
signed...
It's because of the corp politics that you mostly can get cheap modules.. mine in VERY good systems etc etc..
Not every member contributes as another does.. This way this will be fixed in some way...
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Co-ceo |
w0rmy
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Posted - 2005.02.09 06:35:00 -
[210]
Edited by: w0rmy on 09/02/2005 06:35:24
Originally by: Paw Sandberg
new patch no tax
when (if ever is it coming)
Perhaps its a sign CCP just dont have the ability to impliment such a thing
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Crausaum
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Posted - 2005.02.09 10:09:00 -
[211]
Arg, how long could it possibly take to get this system working?
There have been literally a dozen times corp tax was stated to "be in the upcoming patch" only to have it be a no show. Perhaps there was just some poor internal communication?
I remember back when the Devs avtually had IRC chats with community reps this was said to be a somewhat simple job and yet I've been around since Beta waiting for it to come in (as well as a few other simple things).
I'm getting REALLY fed up having to hold out the tin cup to my own corporation and ask for donations to our corp wallet.
-Talk is cheap because supply exceeds demand. |
Mercury Quicksilver
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Posted - 2005.02.09 14:38:00 -
[212]
Trying to keep this page alive
Corp Tax like Reverse Enginnering is a myth.
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smeggy
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Posted - 2005.02.10 12:02:00 -
[213]
Well still nothing from the devs. Do they care about us?
Keeping topic alive
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smeggy
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Posted - 2005.02.12 11:27:00 -
[214]
Come On devs
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Amaron Ghant
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Posted - 2005.02.12 11:36:00 -
[215]
Might as well drop the subject. The devs want it to die a quiet death hence the lack of comment. Annoys the hell out of me as well but there you go.
Roids are a Menece I tell you, hunt then down I say, hunt them down!!
Amaron Ghant the Mad Caldari Miner |
Ow FxxK
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Posted - 2005.02.12 12:41:00 -
[216]
Its a sad day when such a promise is just tossed aside, what happened to keeping there word, it seems that someones word is not worth much these days.
Get corp tax ingame or state to us why its not here yet
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Gadjet
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Posted - 2005.02.12 15:20:00 -
[217]
Edited by: Gadjet on 12/02/2005 15:20:55
Good Luck with getting the corporation tax lads... I myself started a thread about the same thing only for it to be closed I do hope the same doesn't happen here! And YES! We need corporation tax working.....NOW!!
Corruption Is All Around Us!
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Amaron Ghant
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Posted - 2005.02.12 16:35:00 -
[218]
Could always write to the Company CEO
CCP hf.
Klapparstigur 28
101 Reykjavik
Iceland
Roids are a Menece I tell you, hunt then down I say, hunt them down!!
Amaron Ghant the Mad Caldari Miner |
TECNOllama
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Posted - 2005.02.12 18:59:00 -
[219]
All them poor CEO's having to beg there members for donations is so sad
Give thouse poor guys a hand, let them have TAX to make it a less taxing job
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Serilla
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Posted - 2005.02.12 20:57:00 -
[220]
yeah. tax would be the only fair way.
otherwise some ppl donate 100's of millions to the corp and others just leeach. Make everyone able to contribute equally based on amount of isk they are earning
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Juniper
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Posted - 2005.02.12 21:40:00 -
[221]
Edited by: Juniper on 12/02/2005 21:47:37
Corp tax is a myth. A fairy story Caldari parents tell their children when they want them to grow up and become accountants.
(with apologies to Douglas Noel Adams, R.I.P.)
-- Gotta sell my stuff...
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2005.02.13 14:04:00 -
[222]
Thanks guys fopr keeping the subject alive Though I also feel the lack of response are wery disapointing 
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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Astrid Tron
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Posted - 2005.02.13 17:35:00 -
[223]
Taxes should get priority - maybe not first, but definitely up in the important section of the todo-list.
5 or 6 from our corporation have worked themselves senseless trading to keep the ISK rolling in so we can build the ships and pay the insurances and other costs of waging war. Only 2 of them still play eve. We need a way for all corp members to chip in and sustain the flow of free modules and funds for supporting the new players.
It would really make a great difference to a lot of corporations if Tax was implemented - even if just on bounties or market transactions. It does not have to be perfect from day one - just workable.
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When you have to kill a man, it takes nothing to be polite |
agentLLAMA
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Posted - 2005.02.13 22:44:00 -
[224]
It would make for a much better corp all round, the members could be doing there own thing anywhere in space and still feel that there helping the corp by paying taxes
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w0rmy
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Posted - 2005.02.15 01:13:00 -
[225]
EW workover announced...
And still no corp tax.
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Shadar Ishaan
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Posted - 2005.02.15 01:35:00 -
[226]
Yeah, that new blog ****es me off for that very reason.
Way to live up to your promises.
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ollobrains
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Posted - 2005.02.15 01:39:00 -
[227]
2% tax on all market transaction profits
5% tax on all members that capture bounties through NPC killing and player bounty missions
Suggestions only the above
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Ow FxxK
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Posted - 2005.02.16 11:12:00 -
[228]
Shame we cant have a player vote on whats to get fixed next
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2005.02.17 00:17:00 -
[229]
Originally by: Ow FxxK
Shame we cant have a player vote on whats to get fixed next
yeah that would be kinda nice :-)
I just cant belive that we got no (oficial) comments on this
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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ErrorS
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Posted - 2005.02.19 04:14:00 -
[230]
signed!
where is it? :\
________
I'm strict Caldari
"The grass is always greener on the other side" - Maybe they're not as uber as you think?
-ErrorS |
w0rmy
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Posted - 2005.02.19 04:17:00 -
[231]
Originally by: ErrorS
signed!
where is it? :\
Soon, theyre currently too busy reworking and introducing bugs into currently working systems.
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Ris Dnalor
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Posted - 2005.02.20 01:02:00 -
[232]
The market tax sure as hellworks fine & dandy don't it?
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Jump Drive Operation / Rank 5 / SP: 1280000 of 1280000
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Primer Xenius
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Posted - 2005.02.20 02:23:00 -
[233]
Signed.... WAY! WAY WWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYY! overdue!
"we all know CA planned to attack Xetic "when the time was right" from day1" - Lallante
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Serilla
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Posted - 2005.02.20 02:25:00 -
[234]
still no word...
whats the deal ccp!
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2005.02.21 09:14:00 -
[235]
Originally by: Serilla
still no word...
whats the deal ccp!
never going to happen ??
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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ollobrains
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Posted - 2005.02.21 10:52:00 -
[236]
ive got an idea lobby for changes already annouced ?
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2005.02.21 16:16:00 -
[237]
Originally by: ollobrains
ive got an idea lobby for changes already annouced ?
anouced where ??
it was anouced that it was coming in Shiva well shiva (exodus) has hit and guess what its not ingame
granted I might have missed the last dev blog (if there is a new one) that says it will be in next patch but so far its suppose to be in and is not
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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smeggy
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Posted - 2005.02.23 22:23:00 -
[238]
After yet another blog on how we will make some changes to the game, i and a lot of people i think will be diserpointed to learn that promised features are not really cared about. CCP pull ya fingers out of whatever and think about what u have promised before u released Exodus and deliver these features before u introduce major changes that we didnt ask for. People want new features to be brought in that they have waited for not new ways of getting around space nerfing all yourt instras and our knowledge of space, give your customers what they want first and formost. Listen to and read their posts its all been about features that havnt been included, take the cotton wool out of your ears and take your blind fold off before u really lose more people.
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Attrezzo Pox
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Posted - 2005.02.23 22:54:00 -
[239]
Edited by: Attrezzo Pox on 23/02/2005 22:59:42
w3rd corp tax would be nice to finally have
I think that it's not on the immediate list though because they're grouping things together. Propulsion and EW did need some work so they're going to overhaul that system, then Jumps into low security. Get the money flowing right and the overall flow working first. Working on doing something about blobs obvioudly that seems to be an issue. I think Corp management has just been grouped up as needed a overhaul but it just so happens to take a backseat again to other functionality. I'm sure it's on their list though otherwise it wouldn't be in the game.
The thing is if you work on corp management first you may have to come back to it because of all the crap they're changing with warp points and overall gameplay. Just working from the bottom up. Anyway that's the way I see it. |
Shadar Ishaan
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Posted - 2005.02.26 18:16:00 -
[240]
They said it would be in one of the upcoming patches (not the March one, I think)
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Serilla
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Posted - 2005.02.26 19:55:00 -
[241]
i remember them saying many times that the way it will work is with .ref keys and that it would be pretty simple to do.
looks like they did it with transaction tax broker tax and all these other taxes..
so why not corp taxes ccp??
answer us plz
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Zane Broohn
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Posted - 2005.02.26 22:00:00 -
[242]
Signed
ZB
"It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees" |
Drunken Claptrap
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Posted - 2005.02.27 01:38:00 -
[243]
Please can we have a yay/nay answer on this from CCP.
Draft Beer Not People |
Xarol
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Posted - 2005.02.27 01:51:00 -
[244]
Signed.
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2005.02.28 01:37:00 -
[245]
Originally by: Drunken Claptrap
Please can we have a yay/nay answer on this from CCP.
any comment from CCP ??
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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Serilla
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Posted - 2005.02.28 03:46:00 -
[246]
Originally by: Paw Sandberg
Originally by: Drunken Claptrap
Please can we have a yay/nay answer on this from CCP.
any comment from CCP ??
nope no comments they are in hiding
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Shadar Ishaan
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Posted - 2005.02.28 05:29:00 -
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Originally by: Paw Sandberg
Originally by: Drunken Claptrap
Please can we have a yay/nay answer on this from CCP.
any comment from CCP ??
Check the devchat log
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Xanataures
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Posted - 2005.03.01 18:18:00 -
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signed!!
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2005.03.01 18:22:00 -
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Edited by: Paw Sandberg on 01/03/2005 18:23:10
Originally by: Shadar Ishaan
Originally by: Paw Sandberg
Originally by: Drunken Claptrap
Please can we have a yay/nay answer on this from CCP.
any comment from CCP ??
Check the devchat log
why you seen anything in the Chats I havent ??
I mean the last dev blog I saw was about the highways with no metion of anything tax related
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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Ethan Kel
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Posted - 2005.03.01 18:24:00 -
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Does any one know if or when the auto corporate tax system will be made to actually work?
If this cannot be made to work then it is only fair that CCP end it's auto taxation also.
I could go into a long winded diatribe in economic theory, real life emulation, etc but I won't. It is simply a question of fairnes if it can't be made to benefit us by making it work for us then it is unfair for it to only work for a system that exists soley as an unseen entity simply their to collect a tax which then dissappears into the vast nothingness of the EVE galaxy.
Thanks!
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Static Ga'lraith
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Posted - 2005.03.01 21:45:00 -
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Still waiting for Corp Tax.........
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Odet
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Posted - 2005.03.01 22:02:00 -
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If you think you can do a better job send in an application to CCP. Dont bother coming herre calling them weasels and other stuff. Just go in and send in an application.
I'm sure they are trying very hard to get this game working properly, take into account this is their first project, cut em some slack they havent been doing this all thier lives.
Give em feedback not smack talk.
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Odet
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Posted - 2005.03.01 22:06:00 -
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to those of u who cant believe why no dev has answered yet.... think about it.
If you had a bunch of brats calling u a dirtbag and a weasel asking you for things would u post and say, oh boy im so sorry, or instead get on with his job and hope you all die of cancer?
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Diego
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Posted - 2005.03.01 22:39:00 -
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I guess that ccp at the moment is a very little team. At the moment the peeps that had or has this ide might not even work there any more, or have taken other tasks.
The point is that they have no time to get all they have promised done. It is like candy, to keep all of us playing. That is also why they have all this Chat meetings, to tell us this is coming and that is coming. And when they releases a new patch (9 months later) it has about 1/3 of what they have promised.
They will never tell you why the 2/3 didn't make it, because that will be looking like a loss for them, in your eyes. So if you ask you will get no answhere, or just a this will come soon
Sorry this is the hard life of EVE boys. But at least they do something.
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Drunken Claptrap
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Posted - 2005.03.01 23:08:00 -
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I would not say anything particularly bad about CCP....all i ask is that when a thread has reached 10 pages, surely it should be seen as something important and worthy of an answer. Not everyone posts smacktalk ya know.
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2005.03.01 23:59:00 -
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Originally by: Odet
to those of u who cant believe why no dev has answered yet.... think about it.
If you had a bunch of brats calling u a dirtbag and a weasel asking you for things would u post and say, oh boy im so sorry, or instead get on with his job and hope you all die of cancer?
what post are you reading
I have not seen any smacktalk in this post and I am sure the devs got a tougher skin than I do
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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Odet
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Posted - 2005.03.02 00:12:00 -
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can you read
ughhh forget it... go play with your barbie dolls.
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2005.03.02 02:44:00 -
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Originally by: Odet
can you read
ughhh forget it... go play with your barbie dolls.
yeah that shows exactly how mature you are right there
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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Nicholai Pestot
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Posted - 2005.03.02 08:44:00 -
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Skipping the flaming and abuse.....
That is a good point Ethan, but i believe the main difference is that the 'auto taxation' is CCP set, where as the Corp Tax is CEO set.
Not all CEO's are as trustworthy as yourself, so certain limits and restrictions would have to be set to prevent abuse. For example linking taxation increases into a voting system or something of the like.
A sudden increase in taxation could screw over people not paying attention
This is likely to be a programming thing, and as has been said, the programming department is currently fixing bugs with already included features.
Hopefully as soon as thats done we will get the taxation system, multiple corp accounts, contracts etc etc
Meh, for now just fly around and blow stuff up 
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Militant Mike
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Posted - 2005.03.02 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: Odet
can you read
ughhh forget it... go play with your barbie dolls.
You are the only one flaming here, which means you deserve this
Corp tax needs to be in though, and like someone said, would have thought there would have been some dev responce after 10 pages. In the dev chat I think they said it was on their to do list, but would be nice if we could get an eta or summat.
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Shadar Ishaan
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Posted - 2005.03.02 13:54:00 -
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Originally by: Odet
If you think you can do a better job send in an application to CCP. Dont bother coming herre calling them weasels and other stuff. Just go in and send in an application.
I'm sure they are trying very hard to get this game working properly, take into account this is their first project, cut em some slack they havent been doing this all thier lives.
Give em feedback not smack talk.
We have every right to complain. It's the right you derive as a paying customer. If you're not satisfied with your product, you can complain to the producers of it, or stop paying.
However, your condescending viewpoint aside, I agree with the content of your post.
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Shadar Ishaan
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Posted - 2005.03.02 13:56:00 -
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Edited by: Shadar Ishaan on 02/03/2005 13:56:13
Originally by: Paw Sandberg
Edited by: Paw Sandberg on 01/03/2005 18:23:10
Originally by: Shadar Ishaan
Originally by: Paw Sandberg
Originally by: Drunken Claptrap
Please can we have a yay/nay answer on this from CCP.
any comment from CCP ??
Check the devchat log
why you seen anything in the Chats I havent ??
I mean the last dev blog I saw was about the highways with no metion of anything tax related
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=155334
Originally by: The People at EveGate
[Multiple People] Corp taxes, dynamic asteroid spawns, gas clouds, system wide belts, comet and dust mineing, missing tech 1 blueprints, ETA on criminal flagging for stealing from jettisoned containers (and what will the consequences) etc.. When are we going to see these as well as some Exodus features we were told about and haven't heard about since the patch was released? Every Dev blog and post since has concentrated on balance changes, new ships and other content, but no actual answer on the items missing from Exodus and previous releases.
<Oveur> To explain the basics first, I wrote some dev blogs regarding the difference between programming and content/art work and bugfixing vs. new features
<Oveur> now, since Exodus release, almost all our programming efforst (99%) have gone into bugfixing and optimizations and we're not nearly done with the biggest optimizations coming in
<Oveur> which means programming features, which is another way of saying "creating bugs", has not been allowed
<Oveur> what you have seen the last months is content and art divisions working within their realms, that do not require any intense programming work (it has to fit within that 1%)
<Oveur> tahts why it's balance changes, new ships and other content you have been seeing and not new features
<Oveur> our tentative list, when programming of features starts again, is to get corp taxes and their wallets in addition to contracts in
<Oveur> while the environments will come in bit by bit after that.
<Oveur> stealing from a can will currently only criminal flag you towards the owner of the can, meaning he can shot the **** out of you if you steal, simple as that
<Oveur> but some new environments might see the light of day in some months since we have a possible way of doing them with minimal programming (read, within that assigned 1%)
<Oveur> and I touched that on that briefly earlier regarding new types of complexes
<Oveur> we have a patch in end of march and a bigger patch a couple of months after that
<Oveur> march is 95% bugfixing but the ratio of content within the patch after march will have considerably more content
<Oveur> but with our current optimization schedule, I don't foresee us getting any of the bigger missing Exodus features in there
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Kar Brogan
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Posted - 2005.03.02 14:20:00 -
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Well there ya have it, they will make it a priority after fixing bugs, and that will take as long as it takes.
Seriously, when it comes to fixing bugs, by ironing one out you may create another 3..its just too hard to predict.
ANY timeframe provided more specific then 'we aim to have it in by this season' would be a guess...not a schedule.
So now that we have an answer, and a 10 odd page thread that the devs must have seen..do we really need to keep posting.
We know that the taxation is the next thing after the bugs have been ironed out. Anything else put in here would just be whineing about the lack of an exact schedule.
Of course as customers we are allowed to register complaints.Have you considered mailing CCP directly?I mean if you actually want to register a complaint and are not just coming here to ***** and moan thats what you should do.
Im starting to get a beer belly every time i read the general discussion forum..to much whine.
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David Goodwill
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Posted - 2005.03.02 14:43:00 -
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Originally by: Kar Brogan
So now that we have an answer, and a 10 odd page thread that the devs must have seen..do we really need to keep posting.
I think it's more to do with the total lack of communication of any sort. We knew the corp tax was beign looked at, but atm I think quite a few people are feeling ignored. Not a great way to keep your customers happy when all it needed was for a dev to come here and say "look guys, we are really up to the eyeballs in it atm, after we get the critical bugs out of the way this issue will be the first thing we look at". As it is, I seem to get the mentaility that if they ignore it, it will go away. Sorry Devs, aint gonna happen.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.03.02 15:42:00 -
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Communistic corps work better anyway 
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2005.03.02 19:06:00 -
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Originally by: Shadar Ishaan
Edited by: Shadar Ishaan on 02/03/2005 13:56:13
Originally by: Paw Sandberg
Edited by: Paw Sandberg on 01/03/2005 18:23:10
Originally by: Shadar Ishaan
Originally by: Paw Sandberg
Originally by: Drunken Claptrap
Please can we have a yay/nay answer on this from CCP.
any comment from CCP ??
Check the devchat log
why you seen anything in the Chats I havent ??
I mean the last dev blog I saw was about the highways with no metion of anything tax related
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=155334
Originally by: The People at EveGate
[Multiple People] Corp taxes, dynamic asteroid spawns, gas clouds, system wide belts, comet and dust mineing, missing tech 1 blueprints, ETA on criminal flagging for stealing from jettisoned containers (and what will the consequences) etc.. When are we going to see these as well as some Exodus features we were told about and haven't heard about since the patch was released? Every Dev blog and post since has concentrated on balance changes, new ships and other content, but no actual answer on the items missing from Exodus and previous releases.
<Oveur> To explain the basics first, I wrote some dev blogs regarding the difference between programming and content/art work and bugfixing vs. new features
<Oveur> now, since Exodus release, almost all our programming efforst (99%) have gone into bugfixing and optimizations and we're not nearly done with the biggest optimizations coming in
<Oveur> which means programming features, which is another way of saying "creating bugs", has not been allowed
<Oveur> what you have seen the last months is content and art divisions working within their realms, that do not require any intense programming work (it has to fit within that 1%)
<Oveur> tahts why it's balance changes, new ships and other content you have been seeing and not new features
<Oveur> our tentative list, when programming of features starts again, is to get corp taxes and their wallets in addition to contracts in
<Oveur> while the environments will come in bit by bit after that.
<Oveur> stealing from a can will currently only criminal flag you towards the owner of the can, meaning he can shot the **** out of you if you steal, simple as that
<Oveur> but some new environments might see the light of day in some months since we have a possible way of doing them with minimal programming (read, within that assigned 1%)
<Oveur> and I touched that on that briefly earlier regarding new types of complexes
<Oveur> we have a patch in end of march and a bigger patch a couple of months after that
<Oveur> march is 95% bugfixing but the ratio of content within the patch after march will have considerably more content
<Oveur> but with our current optimization schedule, I don't foresee us getting any of the bigger missing Exodus features in there
Thank you
A dev answer (or ISD) back on page 3 would have been alot better than this thread reaching over 10 pages with no response and someone (that obiusly have been paying more attention than me as I missed that one) not in any way related to CCP finally digging up a answer for us
as many others have said its the lack of comunication from CCP that is really REALLY frustrating
anyway thanks :-)
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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Shadar Ishaan
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Posted - 2005.03.03 00:49:00 -
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Originally by: Kar Brogan
Seriously, when it comes to fixing bugs, by ironing one out you may create another 3..its just too hard to predict.
I have to disagree with this as a professional developer. We introduce new features into our system every month. The amount of bugs we introduce into the system in any given quarter can be counted on one hand and have plenty of fingers to spare.
Eve is a more complicated system by far, but the way that you prevent bugs from entering into your application is very simple: Get all your functionality under test, and run the tests against your code very often. When developing, I'll run the tests against the entire set of code over ten times a day while developing. I run them before I start a new feature. I run them to help me develop the feature. I run them when I'm done to be sure. I run them again before I leave for the day. If anything fails, I don't stop until it's fixed.
I doubt CCP does test-driven development, but they really should.
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ollobrains
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Posted - 2005.03.03 01:06:00 -
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i wonder if CCP are making a large profit or if to control costs they need to hire a smaller team which slows development
An outcome would be for all of us to get across other internet forums etc and promote this game to new players as much as possible - get more paying players in and therefore increase the revenues - CCP could invest more in developers etc and even new technology etc.
But i think in the meantime
a) getting their test server accessible to more players so we can feedback - then that reduces bugs (increases bug reporting) before new changes hit the mainstream game - ived deleted my cache and still get failed to access.
b) get involved in the dev team discussion threads with diversified but positive contributions and ideas
c) atm they are working on EW,Warp propulsion and now ammo changes - this is getting into the guts of the game - though some more content would be helpful
d) corp tax can be set up with agreement now that all corp members make regular donations ? - group mining, hunting, trading etc
Its a system that will take some time however give it 3 - 6 months and then if CCP havent done it start complaining again
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Drunken Claptrap
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Posted - 2005.03.03 01:49:00 -
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3 - 6 months???? I'll be so rich by then, I won't need Corp tax.....!!!
(Joke btw)
Yep, got the answer....2nd hand but good all the same.
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Chakka
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Posted - 2005.03.03 11:41:00 -
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Please bring in Corp Taxes as fast as you can Devs
It would make playing the game more fun.
Players would no longer feel obligated to do stuff they dont like (eg corp mining) if corp taxes were ingame
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2005.03.16 13:23:00 -
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reviving this thread as we now have a new Dev blog AND STILL NO NEW TAX
last I heard (second hand source granted) was that the next patch (after they where done fixing bugs) would be the one where they would be working on the corp tax
what do we get more agent missions (glad to see them)
stealht bombers (who cares)
new world order (would rather have the old world order (ega taxes) working)
consensual wars (yeah I agree that one is as importient as the taxes)
more lab slots (that will be insanely expensive (although those are neded))
again no corp taxes
come on pls Oveur we got 11 pages here with onle 2 ppl saying they dont want taxes (and my personal opinion is thay dont understand what corp tax is all about)
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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Jack Blank
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Posted - 2005.03.16 13:25:00 -
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do the devs even listen to these posts? my guess is no.
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Amaron Ghant
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Posted - 2005.03.16 13:47:00 -
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Pointless post.
No comments from devs about corp tax ever == devs don't want to implement something they promised, and are hoping the "problem" goes away.
I want corp tax in as promised but tbh I don't see it happening.
Just another broken promise from CCP is all
You know what would make me happy?, apart from blondes, money (normally mutually exclusive) and long life? A comment from the devs saying either "ok our bad, we are working on it" or "stfu it's not going to happen cos it's too hard". Either or, i'm not fussy; just so long as I know where CCP stand on the corp tax question.
Roids are a Menece I tell you, hunt then down I say, hunt them down!!
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Novarei
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Posted - 2005.03.16 14:54:00 -
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I will cry until the day corp tax is implemented.
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Serilla
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Posted - 2005.03.16 17:45:00 -
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well its not mentioned in the patch that will be 3 weeks to 2 months from now...
so at the very very very earliest it will maek the patch after that...
six months from now........
I remember them saying this should be easy to implement and they would wait untill exodus to release it.
Ever since ive played it has been like this.
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Dasher Prime
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Posted - 2005.03.16 19:01:00 -
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The corp I belong to makes 70million a week off of the pos we set up. We dont mine for the ice, we buy everything we need for it off the market.
So if we were larger, and had dedicated ice miners, yeah I think 100+ million a week profit is doable. But we dont rely just on the POS for money, we 0.0 hunt, some manufacturing, very little mining, and loot sales supply most of the corps funds.
So taxes from corp members would not be good. Counter productive, and harm the corp morale more then anything else.
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2005.03.16 19:10:00 -
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Originally by: Dasher Prime
The corp I belong to makes 70million a week off of the pos we set up. We dont mine for the ice, we buy everything we need for it off the market.
So if we were larger, and had dedicated ice miners, yeah I think 100+ million a week profit is doable. But we dont rely just on the POS for money, we 0.0 hunt, some manufacturing, very little mining, and loot sales supply most of the corps funds.
So taxes from corp members would not be good. Counter productive, and harm the corp morale more then anything else.
well thats very simple all your CEO would have to do is set the corp tax for 0.0%
why would that bother anyone
the corp tax that we want is ajusteble from 0.0% to 100.0% if you are in a corp that have high tax you are free to leave but ultimatly the Tax will be up to the CEO of your corp and the Aliance (if such a thing as aliance tax comes in with the corp tax)
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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Ethan Kel
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Posted - 2005.03.16 19:36:00 -
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Corporate Tax System
Almost 6 months ago the Exodus patch was supposed to include an auto tax paid back to the corporation on all market transactions of corpies within their corporation.
CEO's were to be able to create a market transaction tax of 1%, 2% 3% etc. These transactions included anything regarding a transaction of buying and selling on the market. This tax percentage would have been auto deducted from the corp. member who initiated the transaction then paid back to the corp. they belong to.
While we do have the ability to create the tax it does not work. It does not take a financial genius to see just how much we as corporations have lost not only in not being able to benefit from this tax within our corporations but the looses paid to the CCP tax..
Even the individual player looses in the current system. I think any one reading this would rather their tax go back to their corporation than no where.
Any one can plainly see just how much we as corporations and individuals have lost.
Many of us as individual players and CEOĘs are tired of the financial drain both by over sights of corpies forgetting to pay and a tax system which profits no one and causes an imbalance in an already over stressed economy.
Throughout history ALL governments have existed on systems of taxations. Tax systems are a fundamental building block of any successful economy. To deny one here is to condemn the world of eve to economic depressions and inflations and many more to financial ruin .
Yes all the new bells and whistles are great but lets fix some of the ones that need to be fixed first.
The Corporate tax system needs to be implemented. If you cant or wonĘt get it to work for player corporations then stop all the taxes now.!
It is pointless to have a tax system pay an invisible non relevant entity - CCP - into a vast pool of nothingness that benefits no one and undermines the efforts of CEOs to try to run their corps on a merit basis because the Corp tax doesn't work.
If we are truly emulating real life then it is only fair to assume a two sided tax system.
Please CCP help us help you for all of us.
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2005.03.16 20:05:00 -
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Originally by: Ethan Kel
Corporate Tax System
Almost 6 months ago the Exodus patch was supposed to include an auto tax paid back to the corporation on all market transactions of corpies within their corporation.
CEO's were to be able to create a market transaction tax of 1%, 2% 3% etc. These transactions included anything regarding a transaction of buying and selling on the market. This tax percentage would have been auto deducted from the corp. member who initiated the transaction then paid back to the corp. they belong to.
While we do have the ability to create the tax it does not work. It does not take a financial genius to see just how much we as corporations have lost not only in not being able to benefit from this tax within our corporations but the looses paid to the CCP tax..
Even the individual player looses in the current system. I think any one reading this would rather their tax go back to their corporation than no where.
Any one can plainly see just how much we as corporations and individuals have lost.
Many of us as individual players and CEOĘs are tired of the financial drain both by over sights of corpies forgetting to pay and a tax system which profits no one and causes an imbalance in an already over stressed economy.
Throughout history ALL governments have existed on systems of taxations. Tax systems are a fundamental building block of any successful economy. To deny one here is to condemn the world of eve to economic depressions and inflations and many more to financial ruin .
Yes all the new bells and whistles are great but lets fix some of the ones that need to be fixed first.
The Corporate tax system needs to be implemented. If you cant or wonĘt get it to work for player corporations then stop all the taxes now.!
It is pointless to have a tax system pay an invisible non relevant entity - CCP - into a vast pool of nothingness that benefits no one and undermines the efforts of CEOs to try to run their corps on a merit basis because the Corp tax doesn't work.
If we are truly emulating real life then it is only fair to assume a two sided tax system.
Please CCP help us help you for all of us.
one comment though
the corp Tax will be in Addition to the SCC fees (transaction tax) and that Tax does not go nowhere as you say it actuelly goes to getting some ISK back out of the game (and I for one thinks it needs to be higher than it is but thats off subject) also it supposely finance the NPC buy orders
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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ZarnieWoop
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Posted - 2005.03.17 09:42:00 -
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we realy need tax in game to run allaince and corp business succesfully ... come on ccp
I suggest we should all petition 'other' that usualy gets ther attention
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L'Kor
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Posted - 2005.03.17 15:23:00 -
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I totally support the idea of a working corporation tax system. Life would be much easier with it and everyone will donate as much isk to the corp as he/she can afford (if the tax rate is set to a reasonable limit). Actions on the market are taxed without any gain for the people's corporation. The possibility for players to tax other players (corp tax) would be greatly appreciated.
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Rira Vanga
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Posted - 2005.03.17 15:34:00 -
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Our corporation is in EVE from Beta.
All our members agree that we need corp tax for our future.
In this moment we cannot control any income.
Please give us Taxes :)
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Nicholai Pestot
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Posted - 2005.03.17 15:38:00 -
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You have to wonder why corp tax has not been implimented.
A taxation system transfering a % of your money from sales already exists, as to does the ability to transfer money from your personal wallet to the corp wallet, so the further work to impliment an automated system that calculates a % of your income and then automatically transfers it to the corp wallet should not be that great.
There must be SOME reason why it has not been implemented yet..i just wish CCP would fill us in on why .
The only thing that i can think of is that CCP is still struggling with providing corps multiple accounts and that they want to tie the taxation system in with this, so they are holding up the latter untill the former is finished and polished.
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Posted - 2005.03.17 16:53:00 -
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Originally by: Amaron Ghant
No comments from devs about corp tax ever == devs don't want to implement something they promised, and are hoping the "problem" goes away. I want corp tax in as promised but tbh I don't see it happening.
What, like comet mining, gas clouds, consensual war, Interbus, system-wide belts... (I will mention all of these as often as I can until the devs get so sick of it, they include them just to shut me up).
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You know what would make me happy?, apart from blondes, money (normally mutually exclusive) and long life? A comment from the devs saying either "ok our bad, we are working on it" or "stfu it's not going to happen cos it's too hard". Either or, i'm not fussy; just so long as I know where CCP stand on the corp tax question.
Exactly. Just either "whoops, this is taking longer than we thought, new ETA is..." or "it's not working, forget it" but as it is, the devs reaction to us verges on benign contempt and they seem PROUD of their inability to deliver what was promised (they market a ******* T-Shirt about it FFS!).
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Posted - 2005.03.17 17:22:00 -
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ahh yeas CCP fix the CORP taxes before you go home tonight or we send a patrul to your home and our boys are nasty and live in the same town as you lads..
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2005.03.18 03:00:00 -
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Originally by: Sandra IV
ahh yeas CCP fix the CORP taxes before you go home tonight or we send a patrul to your home and our boys are nasty and live in the same town as you lads..
LOL
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
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Ris Dnalor
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Posted - 2005.03.19 04:02:00 -
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corp tax is a simple way to automate an income for the corporation. manual trades & donations takes up valuable playing time. If a corp overtaxes, it'll lose people. But a small tax, even a 1% tax could go a long way to providing some finances & freeing up playing time for the leadership of a corp.
If you don't like it you wouldn't have to participate, but it would certainly be a nice option.
additionally, It would be nice if you could assign different tiers of taxes based on official corp titles. Basically it'd be nice if you could put very new players into a tax-exempt status when they start out. not neccessary as we typically help fund the newer players anyways, but it'd still be a nice option.
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2005.03.21 03:07:00 -
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Originally by: Ris Dnalor
corp tax is a simple way to automate an income for the corporation. manual trades & donations takes up valuable playing time. If a corp overtaxes, it'll lose people. But a small tax, even a 1% tax could go a long way to providing some finances & freeing up playing time for the leadership of a corp.
If you don't like it you wouldn't have to participate, but it would certainly be a nice option.
additionally, It would be nice if you could assign different tiers of taxes based on official corp titles. Basically it'd be nice if you could put very new players into a tax-exempt status when they start out. not neccessary as we typically help fund the newer players anyways, but it'd still be a nice option.
tralala
yep what he said
A few ppl seam to be under the impresion that the corp ax would be forced at everyone it is not so
the CEO of each corp can already set the Tax rate for a corp (it just dont work) and if you dont like Tax simply leave it at 0%
also not just market transactions are suppose to be taxable the old Shiva (coming soon) pages had like 10 Deferent setting that could each be ajusted from Market transactions to agent rewards it just did not make it into Shiva
all I am asking is that this extremely usefull tool are implemented IF an Aliance tax are Implemented at the samme time so much the better but the corp tax must be put in ASAP
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
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Shadar Ishaan
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Posted - 2005.03.21 03:49:00 -
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I was hoping it would be in this patch, but according to the dev blog it should be in the next.
Not that I take a great deal of stock in that.
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Discodude
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Posted - 2005.03.21 04:52:00 -
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Originally by: Xavier Arron
Originally by: jbob2000
personally, i think it doesnt make sense to have corp tax. i mean think about it. you joined a corporation, and you should be getting payed, not paying the corp. Don't want to relate this to RL, but i guess i have to...if you joined a company like microsoft, would you pay them to work for them? no, they would pay you.
Yeah but in RL the company would get to keep everything you make and earn. So hand over all your agent mission rewards, all the ore you mined, all the loot you got NPC hunting. Hand over any tech 2 blueprints since any R&D IP would be owned by the company aswell.
In return you get minimal wage, and a crappy pension plan you can claim when your 65 .
ok I didn't read the whole thread yet but basically I 100% agree with this guy and am 100% in favor of corp tax ASAP.
CCP GET CORP TAX IN.
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Bellac
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Posted - 2005.03.21 08:30:00 -
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I have to agree too. The devs seem to spend far too much time messing about with the balance, and not enough time sorting these valuable game enhancements. I for one think its about time things mentioned in this post where added. Company taxes IMO is simply one more thing on an increasingly long list of things that need to be sorted.
It should all be about content rather than balance. So what if a laser has more DOT than a hybrid. You are not forced to use and particular type of weapon or ship. I think variation in weapons adds more variation in game play. Poeple are leaving the game simply because there is not enough content to keep them satisfied.
I worry that there will be very little new content untill the next big patch, which i guess will be towards the end of the year. By that time many more of my friends will have left, and maybe me too.
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Hakera
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Posted - 2005.03.21 08:50:00 -
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Edited by: Hakera on 21/03/2005 08:52:08
I actually got emailed to ask about tax in the upcoming dev chat and I'll just give my own thoughts here. A tax system is rightly a complex thing because income/expenditure are equally complex. The first problem you face is defining:
what is income?
Now immediatly things start to get complex as you look at your own wallets and you will see some principle income:
Donations from players
Sales from market
Rewards from npc's
So then you define the problem of the next question is that really income? Lets have an example. Im a trader doing some simple trade, say a 100mill overhead which generates 10% profit. Now lets see what the wallet sees:
-100million
-500,000 market tax
+110million
The problem should be obvious from that; the tax system of greedy fatcat ceo sees the 110 million income and whack whatever tax on that. The problem is, it isnt income at all. Only 9.5million is actual income, but poor trader is going to get taxed on all 110mill because our model system isnt as complex or efficient at linking income and expediture from 'projects' and generating a linked net income.
Next scenario -- you have alts, you like the transfer isk between them, sadly player donations yet again - taxed because its an inflow into your wallet. Does a CEO really deserve a slice of that? Same for production - you buy minerals, a bpc and make a ship, your net income is 5mill per ship, but wallet sees a 55mill income.
In otherwords activities which 'churn' your wallet would be taxed to high hell and back.
Problem number 2: Income in Eve? is it always in isk?
answer, no, income is in the form of assets as well. Be it ore/minerals/loot you name it. So the amount a person is taxed does not take account of assets or activites which generate assets rather than isk. So a system based on isk would be skewed towards isk heavy activities whilst a person hording assets (who could then transfer them to alt not with corp tax to sell them).
Overall the result is, without an outright adequatly complex system, corp tax simply wont work. Its either too basic and unfair or too complex & to realistic code. I just dont think you will ever see corp tax Im afraid. Perhaps a role dependant player 'bill' might be more useful. One that strips a members roles if they dont stump up a flat fee.
Just my 2 cents.
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Crato
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Posted - 2005.03.21 09:04:00 -
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in with taxes now ccp.
like u guys told us it would be in shiva:
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Improved Tax system
In EXODUS the corporation tax system will be restored and extended. Instead of having one flat percentage for all member financial transactions, corporation can now specify a percentage value from 0% - +10% for each of the ref.keys defined in the EVE Accounting system. This allows corporations to, for example, tax agent mission rewards but not market transactions.
Quote is from this page: http://www.eve-online.com/features/exodus/corporation/
More info about the taxes:
http://www.eve-online.com/features/exodus/corporation/refkeys.asp
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Serilla
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Posted - 2005.03.21 09:36:00 -
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Originally by: Crato
in with taxes now ccp.
like u guys told us it would be in shiva:
Quote:
Improved Tax system
In EXODUS the corporation tax system will be restored and extended. Instead of having one flat percentage for all member financial transactions, corporation can now specify a percentage value from 0% - +10% for each of the ref.keys defined in the EVE Accounting system. This allows corporations to, for example, tax agent mission rewards but not market transactions.
Quote is from this page: http://www.eve-online.com/features/exodus/corporation/
More info about the taxes:
http://www.eve-online.com/features/exodus/corporation/refkeys.asp
Months before shiva they said this would be coming in. Then they delayed it for the shiva patch... now we are having yet another 'balance'/'huge ass overhaul of working things' instead of adding "easy" things that we want.
cmon put it in game already
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Hakera
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Posted - 2005.03.21 13:34:00 -
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Originally by: Crato
in with taxes now ccp.
like u guys told us it would be in shiva:
Quote:
Improved Tax system
In EXODUS the corporation tax system will be restored and extended. Instead of having one flat percentage for all member financial transactions, corporation can now specify a percentage value from 0% - +10% for each of the ref.keys defined in the EVE Accounting system. This allows corporations to, for example, tax agent mission rewards but not market transactions.
Quote is from this page: http://www.eve-online.com/features/exodus/corporation/
More info about the taxes:
http://www.eve-online.com/features/exodus/corporation/refkeys.asp
Another quote from the bottom of that page
Quote:
Note : Some of these are conceptual designs that have not gone through thorough playtesting and are all subject to change. CCP reserves all rights to change, in part or completely the designs presented here
nothing is set in stone :)
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Shadar Ishaan
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Posted - 2005.03.21 14:09:00 -
[296]
Originally by: HakeraAnother quote from the bottom of that page [)
Quote:
Note : Some of these are conceptual designs that have not gone through thorough playtesting and are all subject to change. CCP reserves all rights to change, in part or completely the designs presented here
nothing is set in stone :)
Practical interpretation: "We can make a lot of empty promises to garner interest."
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Sephone
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Posted - 2005.03.21 17:40:00 -
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Edited by: Sephone on 21/03/2005 17:41:32
Originally by: Hakera
Edited by: Hakera on 21/03/2005 08:52:08
I actually got emailed to ask about tax in the upcoming dev chat and I'll just give my own thoughts here. A tax system is rightly a complex thing because income/expenditure are equally complex. The first problem you face is defining:
what is income?
Now immediatly things start to get complex as you look at your own wallets and you will see some principle income:
Donations from players
Sales from market
Rewards from npc's
So then you define the problem of the next question is that really income? Lets have an example. Im a trader doing some simple trade, say a 100mill overhead which generates 10% profit. Now lets see what the wallet sees:
-100million
-500,000 market tax
+110million
The problem should be obvious from that; the tax system of greedy fatcat ceo sees the 110 million income and whack whatever tax on that. The problem is, it isnt income at all. Only 9.5million is actual income, but poor trader is going to get taxed on all 110mill because our model system isnt as complex or efficient at linking income and expediture from 'projects' and generating a linked net income.
Next scenario -- you have alts, you like the transfer isk between them, sadly player donations yet again - taxed because its an inflow into your wallet. Does a CEO really deserve a slice of that? Same for production - you buy minerals, a bpc and make a ship, your net income is 5mill per ship, but wallet sees a 55mill income.
In otherwords activities which 'churn' your wallet would be taxed to high hell and back.
Problem number 2: Income in Eve? is it always in isk?
answer, no, income is in the form of assets as well. Be it ore/minerals/loot you name it. So the amount a person is taxed does not take account of assets or activites which generate assets rather than isk. So a system based on isk would be skewed towards isk heavy activities whilst a person hording assets (who could then transfer them to alt not with corp tax to sell them).
Overall the result is, without an outright adequatly complex system, corp tax simply wont work. Its either too basic and unfair or too complex & to realistic code. I just dont think you will ever see corp tax Im afraid. Perhaps a role dependant player 'bill' might be more useful. One that strips a members roles if they dont stump up a flat fee.
Just my 2 cents.
Well in the first place a doubt a CEO as greedy as this would last very long nor would his corp.
Many of us on the other hand run a collective corporation which reflects the needs of it's members and the corporation as a whole.
I think the only ones that this would affect are the CEO's who already exploit their members.
This system would force many of them to be "MORE" accountable to their members.
i.e. tax revolts and such. :)
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Harisdrop
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Posted - 2005.03.21 18:09:00 -
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They should place tax in and allow each corp to make tax based on the journal entries they wish to tax.
You can not look at taxes on income. You should only worry about takes on transactions.
You should be taxed when you buy something isk or give isk. NPC should tax thier members at 25% soo no more alt players. A player making bounties or selling goods does not benifit the player only when the player spends that isk does it.
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Posted - 2005.03.22 22:00:00 -
[299]
A reply would be nice. People hate to feel ignored.
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Ethan Kel
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Posted - 2005.03.22 22:35:00 -
[300]
Edited by: Ethan Kel on 22/03/2005 22:36:20
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Shadar Ishaan
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Posted - 2005.03.23 21:38:00 -
[301]
Perhaps if we ask nicely they'll respond.
CCP, please tell us when you plan to implement Corp Tax.
Please.
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2005.03.24 01:25:00 -
[302]
Originally by: Shadar Ishaan
Perhaps if we ask nicely they'll respond.
CCP, please tell us when you plan to implement Corp Tax.
Please.
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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Darth Revanant
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Posted - 2005.03.24 05:21:00 -
[303]
Bumping is not allowed.
Soooo.....ummmmm.......Yes Please CCP!!
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Serilla
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Posted - 2005.03.24 07:43:00 -
[304]
well.. i sorta am suprised that it has been this long since exodous and they have not said why this wasnt brought into the game..
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Mephorios
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Posted - 2005.03.24 08:05:00 -
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Oh we so know they're reading this, anything that seems to get over five pages in responses seems to garner interest.
I do like the idea of the CEO being able to decide what transactions are taxed. Perhaps inter-corporate trading and transfers could be not taxed, and everything external would be?
Of course, no system made by people is perfect. But, just because it's not perfect or solvable utterly does not mean it's a problem to ignore. A step in the right direction is better than a thumb up the orifice of your choosing.
Pre-edit: Any typos are the result of, as Maya Angelou said, 'copious livation'.
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2005.03.27 03:19:00 -
[306]
Originally by: Mephorios
Oh we so know they're reading this, anything that seems to get over five pages in responses seems to garner interest.
I do like the idea of the CEO being able to decide what transactions are taxed. Perhaps inter-corporate trading and transfers could be not taxed, and everything external would be?
Of course, no system made by people is perfect. But, just because it's not perfect or solvable utterly does not mean it's a problem to ignore. A step in the right direction is better than a thumb up the orifice of your choosing.
Pre-edit: Any typos are the result of, as Maya Angelou said, 'copious livation'.
/me sighs
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
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Wanoah
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Posted - 2005.03.27 12:14:00 -
[307]
Some good points there, Dumble...er, Hakera. A high level of tax on transactions would be quite harsh. A CEO would have to set the taxes at a similar rate to the current market taxes we already pay, otherwise free trade would be hampered for corp members and it would act as a disincentive (if that's a word).
Overall, the advantages of Corp Tax far outweigh any disadvantages though. A corporation should exist to make money for its shareholders. At the moment, getting a working business model for a manufacturing/trading company is quite difficult to achieve without a high overhead of admin. A flat tax on player-generated revenues will guarantee an income for the corp in an equitable way as long as players earn money for themselves by whatever means.
As it stands, people that devote their time to running agent missions are seen as pretty much selfish, solo players interms of corp activity. With a modest tax on agent rewards, they instantly become a valuable asset to the corp, without having to rely on them making occasional donations. They can contribute automatically to the financing of BPO's etc. without having to get involved in aspects of the game they are not interested in. Everyone's a winner.
My tax plan would be to tax Market Transactions at 1%, and Agent Mission Rewards at 5%. This should give quite a nice little income from an average-sized corp with members doing some mining, building, trading, and agent-running for themselves.
What I wonder is what happens if you set a tax rate on things like Repair Bill or Insurance? Does it become an extra cost for the individual player on top of what they are paying? Or does it effectively mean that the Corp ends up paying that % out to the player? If it turned out to be the second option, that could be a nice touch if the corp ends up contributing to some of your costs.
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ErrorS
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Posted - 2005.03.27 12:26:00 -
[308]
it's apparent by all these replies that noone really wants corp tax..
so CCP, PLEASE don't give it to us! We don't want it, it will ruin the game!
(trying reverse psychology)
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Shadar Ishaan
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Posted - 2005.03.28 02:51:00 -
[309]
Maybe if we keep posting, CCP will nerf this thread. 
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Shadar Ishaan
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Posted - 2005.03.28 14:12:00 -
[310]
Maybe not.
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2005.03.28 14:39:00 -
[311]
Originally by: Wanoah
Some good points there, Dumble...er, Hakera. A high level of tax on transactions would be quite harsh. A CEO would have to set the taxes at a similar rate to the current market taxes we already pay, otherwise free trade would be hampered for corp members and it would act as a disincentive (if that's a word).
Overall, the advantages of Corp Tax far outweigh any disadvantages though. A corporation should exist to make money for its shareholders. At the moment, getting a working business model for a manufacturing/trading company is quite difficult to achieve without a high overhead of admin. A flat tax on player-generated revenues will guarantee an income for the corp in an equitable way as long as players earn money for themselves by whatever means.
As it stands, people that devote their time to running agent missions are seen as pretty much selfish, solo players interms of corp activity. With a modest tax on agent rewards, they instantly become a valuable asset to the corp, without having to rely on them making occasional donations. They can contribute automatically to the financing of BPO's etc. without having to get involved in aspects of the game they are not interested in. Everyone's a winner.
My tax plan would be to tax Market Transactions at 1%, and Agent Mission Rewards at 5%. This should give quite a nice little income from an average-sized corp with members doing some mining, building, trading, and agent-running for themselves.
What I wonder is what happens if you set a tax rate on things like Repair Bill or Insurance? Does it become an extra cost for the individual player on top of what they are paying? Or does it effectively mean that the Corp ends up paying that % out to the player? If it turned out to be the second option, that could be a nice touch if the corp ends up contributing to some of your costs.
again I think you are kinda missing the Point
CCP will not be setting the corp taxes your induvidial CEO will
if you do not trust your CEO (or dont want to pay the tax your CEO asignes) its time for you to leave the corp you are in as simple as that
also I would prefer that a corp tax could be set from 0% to 100% on each of the 10 items as described on Shiva features page (will allow comunistic style CEO's)
the corp tax should be changeble by the CEO of a corp (like it is now (only it does not work))
however each CEO (if this is ever put in) will be able to set any amount of tax per deferent thing
like for example JB (my CEO) can set agent running Tax to 8% and tax from bounty'es to 5 and transaction to 3% (these are just exambles)
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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Cristobal
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Posted - 2005.03.28 16:31:00 -
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Seems to me, if you could kill something with a Corporate Tax then CCP would give it some consideration, along with Divisional Wallets.
I keep looking for both of those every patch...
And looking...
And looking...
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Quanteeri
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Posted - 2005.03.28 17:15:00 -
[313]
Yes, please implement the ability to use the corp tax, CCP.
Honestly, I don't see why anyone would want to deny this function, since the tax could be set to 0%, eg.; No Corp Tax, depending on the corp.
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Quanteeri
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Posted - 2005.03.28 17:15:00 -
[314]
Edited by: Quanteeri on 28/03/2005 17:15:51
oops, double post.
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EvilDoomer
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Posted - 2005.03.28 22:34:00 -
[315]
Originally by: jbob2000
personally, i think it doesnt make sense to have corp tax. i mean think about it. you joined a corporation, and you should be getting payed, not paying the corp. Don't want to relate this to RL, but i guess i have to...if you joined a company like microsoft, would you pay them to work for them? no, they would pay you.
hmm your right except for the following things.
1. IF your corp has offices who is paying for that.
2. If you belong to a corp and you only mine or make isk for yourself and never really give to your corp how can the corp pay for offices and labs and factories.
3. The sharing of stuff in hangers are paid from corp. Insured ships from the corp. Who pays for them.
When I was with my other corp the corp paid for all that. And we did corp mining and other corp stuff and the mins went to the corp for production. The Corp made my frigs and cruisers so I could pvp. And that was awesome.
But there was a few peeps who did alot of stuff off on there own and would come and mine for 15 minutes then had to goto the store. NOT FAIR.
So the corp tax would pay for all the things that the corp needs and more. And the corp would not have to worry about coming up with the isk for 15mil a month rents that CCP charges now. {which sucks.}
But whether or not your corp charges tax is an option and A well needed thing for corps.
These are my views and only my views.
Thanks
EvilDoomer
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Wanoah
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Posted - 2005.03.29 00:46:00 -
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Quote:
again I think you are kinda missing the Point
Nope, point not missed, I think you just misread or misunderstood my post.
I think the devs are just teasing us. Kinda like, "Here's what you could've won."
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2005.03.29 15:34:00 -
[317]
Originally by: Wanoah
Quote:
again I think you are kinda missing the Point
Nope, point not missed, I think you just misread or misunderstood my post.
I think the devs are just teasing us. Kinda like, "Here's what you could've won."
sorry 
was tired when I read that and wrote that
I read it as you saying that CCP would force all corps to have tax that was not what you meant
my bad
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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Larno
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Posted - 2005.03.29 16:29:00 -
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Tax could be in the form of a bill, like for an office or lab slot. If you don't pay it, you get kicked from the corp automatically. Scamproof? Yes. You have to authorise the payment. Grieferproof? No. But it's not worse than being invited to a corp and blown up.
I think it would also be easy for CCP to make it so that CEOs can choose not to bill people who have inactive accounts. Or finally if you want to be really cautious, have a corp vote on the matter where at least 50% of votes (NOT shares) have to be there to implement tax.
TBH I cant see any holes in this. And I dont think it would be hard to implement.
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Quanteeri
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Posted - 2005.03.29 20:30:00 -
[319]
Edited by: Quanteeri on 29/03/2005 20:31:24
I think making it a bill would make things too complicated, cause people would actually have to do something hands-on. IMO, it should be an automatic deduction from any funds that are received(with the possiblity of different fund types, as mentioned earlier). This would allow the corps to have a fairly steady flow of cash, instead of a payday. That would also automatically facilitate not taxing inactive members, because they are not actively making ISK. though, I do agree, it should be set up something like locking down BPO's, where as to unlock or change the tax rate, the share holders would have to vote.
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Trader Klyde
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Posted - 2005.03.29 20:42:00 -
[320]
Billing would be too cumbersome... But, an automatic deduction for transactions would work very well. I also like the idea of the tax being set through shareholders voting.
Either way it would enhance a Corps ability for income from all of it's members, regardless of what they are doing, be it mining, combat, agent running, etc. Having all transactions taxed with a setable amount only makes sense.
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Shadar Ishaan
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Posted - 2005.03.30 05:17:00 -
[321]
anyone check the test server for corp tax? 
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ollobrains
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Posted - 2005.03.30 08:28:00 -
[322]
Yup checked the test server and guess what no corp tax in this next patch - perhaps the next one of the next one or the next one..... sorry this is the biggest "gunna" project CCP has but fails to deliver
On this its gunna gunna gunna (not)
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Napoleon Dynamite
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Posted - 2005.03.30 09:52:00 -
[323]
Well after the tax, I would like to see dividends being paid out to shares and a stock market for share trading.
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NastyLlama
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Posted - 2005.03.30 10:47:00 -
[324]
Edited by: NastyLlama on 30/03/2005 10:48:38
Originally by: MaiLina KaTar
Pffft. When it comes out it'll be screwed to hell and back anyway... just like POS.
I'm actually pretty excited about what kind of ubernerf, bug or logical error they'll come up with once they dish out corp-tax.
Matter of fact: Thousands of corporations would benefit greatly from this feature and it's a shame that it isn't ingame more than a year and a half after the game went live.
Well I remember when it did come out, was totaly buged alowing players to earn billions from it and got quickly taken out again, so I think it scared the pants off ccp and their to scared to go near it.
But it needs to be ingame asap, just do it carfully next time
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Posted - 2005.04.01 03:22:00 -
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Originally by: Trader Klyde
Billing would be too cumbersome... But, an automatic deduction for transactions would work very well. I also like the idea of the tax being set through shareholders voting.
Either way it would enhance a Corps ability for income from all of it's members, regardless of what they are doing, be it mining, combat, agent running, etc. Having all transactions taxed with a setable amount only makes sense.
yeah billing would be silly
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Alberto
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Posted - 2005.04.01 06:18:00 -
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Originally by: Napoleon Dynamite
Well after the tax, I would like to see dividends being paid out to shares and a stock market for share trading.
I too would like to see dividends working and a stock market I think itĘs the way to go.
Give more stock to the harder working corp. members then pay out dividends each month
But what I would really like to see is corp. owned items just think you dock at your corp.Ęs office click on corp. fitting room pick a corp. ship then pick corp. modĘs to fit the corp. ship from another list and your ready to go.
Corp. own ships and modĘs can not be sold on the market itĘs a great way for members to share asset with out worrying to much about corp. theft and itĘs a great way to grow a corp. too.
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Shadar Ishaan
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Posted - 2005.04.01 14:15:00 -
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Thirteen pages of pure pwnage
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Darth Revanant
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Posted - 2005.04.02 00:05:00 -
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I think this is the third time i've signed this same thread in the last six months. I'll continue to sign it every month or so until it's implemented. I'm only so insistent because I think it's the most reasonable request to CCP I've ever seen. It can't be that hard to implement, and there are no downsides. If you don't want it, don't use it, simple.
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Face Lifter
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Posted - 2005.04.02 00:46:00 -
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Oh yea.. the corp tax isn't in patch notes!
Thanks for the effort guys, better luck next patch in 2 months!
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2005.04.02 03:31:00 -
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Originally by: Darth Revanant
I think this is the third time i've signed this same thread in the last six months. I'll continue to sign it every month or so until it's implemented. I'm only so insistent because I think it's the most reasonable request to CCP I've ever seen. It can't be that hard to implement, and there are no downsides. If you don't want it, don't use it, simple.
has it really breen that long since I started this thread (time flies)
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2005.04.02 03:31:00 -
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Originally by: Darth Revanant
I think this is the third time i've signed this same thread in the last six months. I'll continue to sign it every month or so until it's implemented. I'm only so insistent because I think it's the most reasonable request to CCP I've ever seen. It can't be that hard to implement, and there are no downsides. If you don't want it, don't use it, simple.
has it really breen that long since I started this thread (time flies)
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
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w0rmy
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Posted - 2005.04.02 03:34:00 -
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Originally by: Paw Sandberg
has it really breen that long since I started this thread (time flies)
4 months isnt really that long
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Astarte Nosferatu
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Posted - 2005.04.02 06:03:00 -
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Aye, corp tax is something we have been waiting for since... release?
Instead of a new ship class, perhaps corp tax could be implemented first?
Oh well, I'll just keep on dreaming, I guess...
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ollobrains
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Posted - 2005.04.02 07:48:00 -
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lets see if corp taxes are in in another 4 months lol - should the tax rate be on profits on a trade or overall transactions - shuold there be limits on corp tax ? transactions that are left out ie bounty kills rewards , agent rewards ?
Should there be an upper limit on corp taxes ?
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NastyLlama
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Posted - 2005.04.02 21:42:00 -
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Originally by: ollobrains
lets see if corp taxes are in in another 4 months lol - should the tax rate be on profits on a trade or overall transactions - shuold there be limits on corp tax ? transactions that are left out ie bounty kills rewards , agent rewards ?
Should there be an upper limit on corp taxes ?
I think a choice would be nice, it could be actve after a vote, with a 7 day wait period before it comes into force, an e-mail should be sent to all members before its implemented, and there should be a uper limit of lets say 25%.
Also to safe gard the members any change to the tax rate needs a vote and again a waiingt period of 7 days
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Darth Revanant
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Posted - 2005.04.03 01:47:00 -
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Corp tax is supposed to let the CEO decide what to tax. From agent rewards to market transactions, bounties, bonus rewards, etc. It's entirely customizeable and up to the individual corp whether to use it at all or not.
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2005.04.04 04:02:00 -
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Originally by: Darth Revanant
Corp tax is supposed to let the CEO decide what to tax. From agent rewards to market transactions, bounties, bonus rewards, etc. It's entirely customizeable and up to the individual corp whether to use it at all or not.
yep
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2005.04.09 02:47:00 -
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still need some info on this
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
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Shadar Ishaan
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Posted - 2005.04.09 04:14:00 -
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According to dev chat, it's the first thing to come from the delayed exodus features when balancing is done (next patch, not this upcoming one).
First will be a simplified version, then later (when?) the full version
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NastyLlama
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Posted - 2005.04.09 07:19:00 -
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Morning folks!, "walks in sits down and quickly signs name"
Cya next month and the one after that and........
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