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Medarr
ZeroSec
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Posted - 2012.07.21 13:54:00 -
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Shameless Avenger wrote:Whang'Lo wrote: 3. If I don't have a gun then someone can break into my house and I can't defend myself.
Generally speaking people don't break into your house when your home. Contrary to popular belief occupied home invasions are extremely rare. Since people break into your house when your not home that nice new shiny hand cannon you bought is stolen and is now used to further crime not prevent it.
Probably because the home owner might have a gun? Again... working as intended. Deterrance is a good thing.
Funny how the rest of the world doesnt need a gun to feel safe... chicken much? |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
466
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Posted - 2012.07.21 14:12:00 -
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Well, after debating this issue for years in the past, my conclussion was that American want that the firearms issue is the way it is. It's like a beaten wife, if she doesn't wants to kick his sorry ass out of her life, who are we to judge?
"We want your help to convince management to develop Incarna into 3rd person shooter dungeon raiding with friendly fire in nullsec space..."
Seriously, Team Avatar? |
Dranchela
Flashpoint Industries Imperial Hull Tankers
14
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Posted - 2012.07.21 14:15:00 -
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Whang'Lo wrote:Amend the constitution of the united states, to make it no longer legal to own firearms. Since I know there are like a gazillion gun nuts out there I will make a quick FAQ here, so I don't have to keep posting.
Gun nut FAQ:
1. It's my constitutional right to bears arms.
This is true. But it's also true that the constitution is a living document and can be amended. For instance slavery was abolished by an amendment to the constitution.
2. If people can't bear arms then only the criminals will have firearms.
There are roughly 300 or so cases each year in the united states of self defense resulting in death that are ruled "justifiable". The chances of you owning a gun and using that gun in self defense and it being ruled "justified" is almost none.
3. If I don't have a gun then someone can break into my house and I can't defend myself.
Generally speaking people don't break into your house when your home. Contrary to popular belief occupied home invasions are extremely rare. Since people break into your house when your not home that nice new shiny hand cannon you bought is stolen and is now used to further crime not prevent it.
4. Guns don't kill people, people kill people.
No actually guns kill people.
5. If citizens are not armed then the government can take over!
Lets see, Tanks, Air Force, Professional Army, Cruise Missles, Predator Drones, etc etc versus Small Arms.
Your proposal is unConstitutional as it stands and repealing or amending the Constitution to fit your proposal would require at the very least a 2/3's approval by the States, not Congress, in order to go forward. Some studies suggest there are between 700,000 and 2 million defensive gun uses every year, but I have found that such statistics on both sides are often skewed and hardly trust worthy. The fact of the matter is that there are approximately 30,000 gun deaths every year with over half of those being suicides. The resulting numbers are less deaths than those caused by automobile accidents.
Furthermore, while the US military has many technologically advanced bits of hardware, a ground force using small arms and improvised explosives has proved quite successful at fighting them for the last ten years in Afghanistan.
In other words, your post is ridiculous, unlawful and downright ********. |
Gleanerman
L-L fanclub
3
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Posted - 2012.07.21 14:17:00 -
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A couple points. As too the victims I will pray for you. Now about banning guns, how well did the no gun thing work out when that guy in the Netherlands lost it? Your point on small arms wont work on us because of the military having tanks and such. Well for one they don't have enough tanks to occupy every neighborhood, and the same goes for cruise missiles be planes. The only thing that worries me is the drones.
One more point. Is anyone here bothered by the fact that the guy kicked the emergency fire exit in? You cant do that. And it sure as he'll wasn't unlocked. I'm thinking inside job. It just don't add up. Try it for yourself kick a door like that from the outside. It wont budge. |
Hestia Mar
Calmaretto
22
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Posted - 2012.07.21 14:18:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:rodyas wrote:I just can't wait til the Adventure Time premiere. Gonna dress up like him and club people to death with a sword. Tell the cops, I was his evil clone, from a botched Princess Bubblegum science experiment. Wait till the premier of the next batman movie
Wait till the premier of "the Aurora Gunman" movie...and to the poster above, I think you mean Norway.
Train Geography, Foreign Affairs and Current Affairs to 5 please |
Y'nit Gidrine
Gold Horizons Industrial
10
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Posted - 2012.07.21 14:27:00 -
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Whang'Lo wrote: 4. Guns don't kill people, people kill people.
No actually guns kill people.
Wrong, bullets do. |
Hestia Mar
Calmaretto
22
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Posted - 2012.07.21 14:28:00 -
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Gleanerman wrote:A couple points. As too the victims I will pray for you. Now about banning guns, how well did the no gun thing work out when that guy in the Netherlands lost it? Your point on small arms wont work on us because of the military having tanks and such. Well for one they don't have enough tanks to occupy every neighborhood, and the same goes for cruise missiles be planes. The only thing that worries me is the drones.
One more point. Is anyone here bothered by the fact that the guy kicked the emergency fire exit in? You cant do that. And it sure as he'll wasn't unlocked. I'm thinking inside job. It just don't add up. Try it for yourself kick a door like that from the outside. It wont budge.
I really have to respond to your post to inject at least some rationality into your world...
You offer prayers to the dead (like that's going to do them any good) and then imply that a no-gun policy won't work. Don't you think it would be more rational to ban guns and ignore religion...do both of those things and the world will be a FAR safer place than it is today.
If the US won't ban guns, ban the sale of ammo or price it exorbitantly - 10,000 dollars a round sir? |
stoicfaux
1269
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Posted - 2012.07.21 14:59:00 -
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Silver lining: the Romney and Obama campaigns suspended their TV ads and campaigns in Colorado for the short term.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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baltec1
Bat Country
1665
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Posted - 2012.07.21 19:44:00 -
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Hestia Mar wrote:
I really have to respond to your post to inject at least some rationality into your world...
You offer prayers to the dead (like that's going to do them any good) and then imply that a no-gun policy won't work. Don't you think it would be more rational to ban guns and ignore religion...do both of those things and the world will be a FAR safer place than it is today.
If the US won't ban guns, ban the sale of ammo or price it exorbitantly - 10,000 dollars a round sir?
Or they could stop selling assault rifles with huge ammo drums. Handguns I get, shotguns sure, hunting rifles ok but assault rifles? Just what is the average man going to be going up against to require one of those |
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
558
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Posted - 2012.07.21 20:40:00 -
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Whang'Lo wrote:Amend the constitution of the united states, to make it no longer legal to own firearms. Since I know there are like a gazillion gun nuts out there I will make a quick FAQ here, so I don't have to keep posting.
Gun nut FAQ:
1. It's my constitutional right to bears arms.
This is true. But it's also true that the constitution is a living document and can be amended. For instance slavery was abolished by an amendment to the constitution.
2. If people can't bear arms then only the criminals will have firearms.
There are roughly 300 or so cases each year in the united states of self defense resulting in death that are ruled "justifiable". The chances of you owning a gun and using that gun in self defense and it being ruled "justified" is almost none.
3. If I don't have a gun then someone can break into my house and I can't defend myself.
Generally speaking people don't break into your house when your home. Contrary to popular belief occupied home invasions are extremely rare. Since people break into your house when your not home that nice new shiny hand cannon you bought is stolen and is now used to further crime not prevent it.
4. Guns don't kill people, people kill people.
No actually guns kill people.
5. If citizens are not armed then the government can take over!
Lets see, Tanks, Air Force, Professional Army, Cruise Missles, Predator Drones, etc etc versus Small Arms.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, if my ownership of weapons offends you, you are more than welcome to come on over and remove them from my home. |
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1689
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Posted - 2012.07.21 21:53:00 -
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*Meanwhile in England* |
Anya Klibor
Rebirth. THE GOD SQUAD
91
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Posted - 2012.07.21 22:07:00 -
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Shameless Avenger wrote:The numbers vary between news sites. From the OP's link: "police say 70 people were wounded".
With my respect to the dead....
The .223 round really sucks that much? No wonder we are still stuck in the middle east. We are under-gunned. Any ex-military here could shed some light as per why so many survived?
The .223 (or the 5.56mm Ball) is a round designed primarily to wound and incapacitate. |
baltec1
Bat Country
1665
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Posted - 2012.07.21 22:09:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:*Meanwhile in England*And like Dietrich says (but way cooler) I will cede my 2nd amendment rights to whoever is able to take them from me
Was expecting a G4S insult. You dissapoint me |
Anya Klibor
Rebirth. THE GOD SQUAD
91
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Posted - 2012.07.21 22:12:00 -
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Whang'Lo wrote:Amend the constitution of the united states, to make it no longer legal to own firearms. Since I know there are like a gazillion gun nuts out there I will make a quick FAQ here, so I don't have to keep posting.
Gun nut FAQ:
1. It's my constitutional right to bears arms.
This is true. But it's also true that the constitution is a living document and can be amended. For instance slavery was abolished by an amendment to the constitution.
The "Bill of Rights" are intended to be the most important rights reserved to the people. Period. One of the more common sayings is ,"The First Amendment grants free speech; the Second guarantees it." To strip the people of the right to defend themselves from a government or foreign invasion is tantamount to oppression. If the government doesn't have to fear the people, then they don't have anything to stop a tyranny.
Quote:2. If people can't bear arms then only the criminals will have firearms.
There are roughly 300 or so cases each year in the united states of self defense resulting in death that are ruled "justifiable". The chances of you owning a gun and using that gun in self defense and it being ruled "justified" is almost none.
Now, contrast that with the numbers of armed robbery and muggings in which the victim didn't have a weapon. Britain's been learning the hard way over decades: just because you stop people from owning guns doesn't stop the criminal elements from getting them.
Quote:3. If I don't have a gun then someone can break into my house and I can't defend myself.
Generally speaking people don't break into your house when your home. Contrary to popular belief occupied home invasions are extremely rare. Since people break into your house when your not home that nice new shiny hand cannon you bought is stolen and is now used to further crime not prevent it.
What?
Quote:4. Guns don't kill people, people kill people.
No actually guns kill people.
I'm going to put this gun right here, on this table, and walk away. You call it names, let me know if it kills you because you hurt it's feelings.
You're dumb. Shut up, f@ggot and neck yourself. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1689
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Posted - 2012.07.21 22:38:00 -
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Anya Klibor wrote:Shameless Avenger wrote:The numbers vary between news sites. From the OP's link: "police say 70 people were wounded".
With my respect to the dead....
The .223 round really sucks that much? No wonder we are still stuck in the middle east. We are under-gunned. Any ex-military here could shed some light as per why so many survived? The .223 (or the 5.56mm Ball) is a round designed primarily to wound and incapacitate.
Addressing the question of why so many survived: Poor marksmanship, the .223 is a very lethal round... sure it won't blow a hole out of you the size of a fist but the round tumbles when it hits and causes massive internal damage. Target might not go down immediately but if you hit center mass the person will die (kinda sucks in a combat scenerio when you have to shoot someone 4 times to put him down but that's being fixed... military starting to use special hollow points that aren't illegal in combat) . Also that round loves riquocheting off bone
baltec1 wrote:Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:*Meanwhile in England*And like Dietrich says (but way cooler) I will cede my 2nd amendment rights to whoever is able to take them from me Was expecting a G4S insult. You dissapoint me
I'll try harder in the future!
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Whang'Lo
Set Sail to Epic Fail
1
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Posted - 2012.07.21 22:59:00 -
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So you people not living in the states can clearly see why we have such a problem with guns.
It's the gun nuts.
I've been arguing with these people since the early 90's lol.
Over the years I have met many many people that keep firearms in the house, and I can honestly tell you that almost without exception every single one of them is a TOTAL PARANOID.
The government is out to get them and take over and they will stop those m1-abram tanks with their shotgun and glock-9.
Theres a boogey man always hanging around waiting to break into their house while they sleep.
I live in a city in florida with roughy 300 or so thousand people. I can literally walk 1/4 mile in any direction and buy any type of gun there is, you name it assault rifle, shotgun, handgun.
99.99999999% of all the guns that are being sold in the united states will never be discharged in a way that would be considered "self defense" under the law. The fact of the matter is whenever someone goes and buys a gun the odds are x1000 times greater that it will be used in a illegal fashion. Such as:
It's stolen.
Used for an armed robbery.
Used in a murder.
Someone commits suicide with it.
It accidently discharges.
And let us not forget how many little 13-15 year old kids are running around with guns in the states. Metal detectors in schools? Don't worry that's not totally insane or anything.
Collectively Americans have demonstrated that they just can't own guns responsibly.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1689
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Posted - 2012.07.22 00:02:00 -
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Whang'Lo wrote:So you people not living in the states can clearly see why we have such a problem with guns.
It's the gun nuts.
I've been arguing with these people since the early 90's lol.
Over the years I have met many many people that keep firearms in the house, and I can honestly tell you that almost without exception every single one of them is a TOTAL PARANOID.
The government is out to get them and take over and they will stop those m1-abram tanks with their shotgun and glock-9.
Theres a boogey man always hanging around waiting to break into their house while they sleep.
I live in a city in florida with roughy 300 or so thousand people. I can literally walk 1/4 mile in any direction and buy any type of gun there is, you name it assault rifle, shotgun, handgun.
99.99999999% of all the guns that are being sold in the united states will never be discharged in a way that would be considered "self defense" under the law. The fact of the matter is whenever someone goes and buys a gun the odds are x1000 times greater that it will be used in a illegal fashion. Such as:
It's stolen.
Used for an armed robbery.
Used in a murder.
Someone commits suicide with it.
It accidently discharges.
And let us not forget how many little 13-15 year old kids are running around with guns in the states. Metal detectors in schools? Don't worry that's not totally insane or anything.
Collectively Americans have demonstrated that they just can't own guns responsibly.
Bolded the only part anyone needs to read
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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
575
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Posted - 2012.07.22 00:03:00 -
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The 24 hr press coverage over this, is more annoying then our gun laws are.
Thank god a plane didn't go down or a tornado happen during this time. Would propably unistall cable if it did. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
371
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Posted - 2012.07.22 00:06:00 -
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Whang'Lo wrote:So you people not living in the states can clearly see why we have such a problem with guns.
It's the gun nuts.
I've been arguing with these people since the early 90's lol.
Over the years I have met many many people that keep firearms in the house, and I can honestly tell you that almost without exception every single one of them is a TOTAL PARANOID.
And let us not forget how many little 13-15 year old kids are running around with guns in the states. Metal detectors in schools? Don't worry that's not totally insane or anything.
Collectively Americans have demonstrated that they just can't own guns responsibly.
Actually the 'gun nuts' are not the problem. I know, you have this image of an evil, suburban, paunchy, 40-something NRA member. Funny thing is, they don't really commit all that much crime.
Look at the FBI statistics. If you somehow disarmed the inner-city gang members, the US ends up with a gun crime rate similar to...hmm...Canada.
I speak with experience when I say red states like Montana and Idaho are LOADED with 'gun nuts', and have high gun ownership rates. They have lax laws, but yet - very low gun crime rates.
Why? No black people. Show me a state with a high percentage of blacks, and I'll show you a state with lots of gun crime - whether or not the state has strict laws (Washington D.C.) or not (Alabama.)
So when you say 'collectively Americans demonstrated' anything - this NRA member would prefer not to be lumped in with Crips and Bloods, thank you.
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Shameless Avenger
305
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Posted - 2012.07.22 00:42:00 -
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Medarr wrote:Shameless Avenger wrote:Whang'Lo wrote: 3. If I don't have a gun then someone can break into my house and I can't defend myself.
Generally speaking people don't break into your house when your home. Contrary to popular belief occupied home invasions are extremely rare. Since people break into your house when your not home that nice new shiny hand cannon you bought is stolen and is now used to further crime not prevent it.
Probably because the home owner might have a gun? Again... working as intended. Deterrance is a good thing. Funny how the rest of the world doesnt need a gun to feel safe... chicken much?
The rest of the world? Let me see what I remember from my 33 years of living outside the US:
* Steel windows. * Steel doors. * 8 foot tall fence (including front patio) with barbed wire on top. * Steel gates on all windows and doors. * Steel cages for the air conditioner units. * Reinforced concrete (no cinder blocks), even for the roof. * Despite all defenses, still had the home invaded twice... with all the family inside. * Cars robbed from inside the garage, 5 times. * Home burglarized, 12 times. * Robbed/Mugged while entering/exiting the neighborhood, over 20 times. * Stabbed... once * Shoot at... lost count
Hum... I think I'll rather stay in gun-lovin' Florida... with my glass windows, my dry-walls and mah guns.
"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro" ~ The Story of the Ninja |
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Shameless Avenger
305
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Posted - 2012.07.22 00:49:00 -
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Whang'Lo wrote: ...stuff...
It's easy to say others are paranoid when you haven't experienced crime first hand. You live in Florida you say? Go rent an apartment in Pine Hills for a month and then we'll talk.
"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro" ~ The Story of the Ninja |
Cierejai
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2012.07.22 00:50:00 -
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Whang'Lo wrote:Amend the constitution of the united states, to make it no longer legal to own firearms. Since I know there are like a gazillion gun nuts out there I will make a quick FAQ here, so I don't have to keep posting.
Gun nut FAQ:
1. It's my constitutional right to bears arms.
This is true. But it's also true that the constitution is a living document and can be amended. For instance slavery was abolished by an amendment to the constitution.
2. If people can't bear arms then only the criminals will have firearms.
There are roughly 300 or so cases each year in the united states of self defense resulting in death that are ruled "justifiable". The chances of you owning a gun and using that gun in self defense and it being ruled "justified" is almost none.
3. If I don't have a gun then someone can break into my house and I can't defend myself.
Generally speaking people don't break into your house when your home. Contrary to popular belief occupied home invasions are extremely rare. Since people break into your house when your not home that nice new shiny hand cannon you bought is stolen and is now used to further crime not prevent it.
4. Guns don't kill people, people kill people.
No actually guns kill people.
5. If citizens are not armed then the government can take over!
Lets see, Tanks, Air Force, Professional Army, Cruise Missles, Predator Drones, etc etc versus Small Arms.
>Implying unjust laws are not invalid >Implying the victim being able to shoot back isn't a deterrence >Implying criminals have your best interest at heart No ****. >Implying 80 million gun owners will lie down >Implying the rank and file servicemen want to kill their own countrymen >Implying the militia wouldn't blow up infrastructure
Lets give the army a little credit, even though I am not an American I find it hard to believe the rank and file would want to kill fellow Americans. |
Jada Maroo
Mysterium Astrometrics
781
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Posted - 2012.07.22 03:41:00 -
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You really have to wonder where the anti-gun weenies who ask "What good are your guns against a modern military?" have been the last 10 years we've been in Iraq, where so many of the deaths have been hit and run sniper attacks, home made IEDs, and ambushes.
Not to mention sabotage and going after soft targets. Years back, two men, one modified car, and one rifle brought Washington DC to a near standstill. What do you think would happen if Americans were in open revolution against the government? What do you think would happen if there were tens of thousands of hit and run snipers?
The government would collapse because it needs a functioning economy to continue running. An armed American citizenry wins because of the impact their attacks would have on the economy and the ability of the government to maintain functioning, not by direct body count versus a professional military in head-to-head battles. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1651
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Posted - 2012.07.22 03:57:00 -
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First, for those who might claim that Amendment 2 is "outdated because then they only has flintlocks", I would say that the same argument can be made against the first amendment becuase all they had then was the pen and the printing press.
And my argument would be helped well by that fact that imagery is proven to be a very powerful tool.
Now, how many want to bet on two thing:
1. Sheeplus Americanus is going to think you can get guns via mail order (you cannot, without a Federal Firearms License and they are not easy to get) 2. If you get a lot of gun and outdoor or surplus catalogs, which are common, you will go on a list.
source
Many of the sheep think you can still go into a store and buy a submachine gun. This has not been possible since the National Firearms Act of 1934. But Hollywood - using their First Amendment rights to LIE, often depicted gun stores as having machine guns on the shelf and ready for purchase (Terminator, Robocop, and Commando for example).
Because of this misinformation, it was easy for politicians to call for more gun control and get support from ignorant people, who get their information from a source that didn't exist when the First Amendment was written.
As for what good my guns are against a standing army - well they must have had some good, because the existing power structure appears very scared of the people these days.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1690
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Posted - 2012.07.22 03:59:00 -
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Cierejai wrote:Whang'Lo wrote:Amend the constitution of the united states, to make it no longer legal to own firearms. Since I know there are like a gazillion gun nuts out there I will make a quick FAQ here, so I don't have to keep posting.
Gun nut FAQ:
1. It's my constitutional right to bears arms.
This is true. But it's also true that the constitution is a living document and can be amended. For instance slavery was abolished by an amendment to the constitution.
2. If people can't bear arms then only the criminals will have firearms.
There are roughly 300 or so cases each year in the united states of self defense resulting in death that are ruled "justifiable". The chances of you owning a gun and using that gun in self defense and it being ruled "justified" is almost none.
3. If I don't have a gun then someone can break into my house and I can't defend myself.
Generally speaking people don't break into your house when your home. Contrary to popular belief occupied home invasions are extremely rare. Since people break into your house when your not home that nice new shiny hand cannon you bought is stolen and is now used to further crime not prevent it.
4. Guns don't kill people, people kill people.
No actually guns kill people.
5. If citizens are not armed then the government can take over!
Lets see, Tanks, Air Force, Professional Army, Cruise Missles, Predator Drones, etc etc versus Small Arms.
>Implying unjust laws are not invalid >Implying the victim being able to shoot back isn't a deterrence >Implying criminals have your best interest at heart No ****. >Implying 80 million gun owners will lie down >Implying the rank and file servicemen want to kill their own countrymen >Implying the militia wouldn't blow up infrastructure Lets give the army a little credit, even though I am not an American I find it hard to believe the rank and file would want to kill fellow Americans.
Well you do have the crazy ones like me that don't care who they're shooting at as long as they're shooting at someone
Not sure about the other services but the Marines have a lot of us |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1651
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Posted - 2012.07.22 04:05:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Hestia Mar wrote:
I really have to respond to your post to inject at least some rationality into your world...
You offer prayers to the dead (like that's going to do them any good) and then imply that a no-gun policy won't work. Don't you think it would be more rational to ban guns and ignore religion...do both of those things and the world will be a FAR safer place than it is today.
If the US won't ban guns, ban the sale of ammo or price it exorbitantly - 10,000 dollars a round sir?
Or they could stop selling assault rifles with huge ammo drums. Handguns I get, shotguns sure, hunting rifles ok but assault rifles? Just what is the average man going to be going up against to require one of those
Based on that idea, if that happened, and they did once and it didn't work ("Clinton gun ban" 1994 - 2004), then I want every sporty car to be taken off the road.
In fact, there are two double standards. You can get a felony conviction not related to violence or guns, and never be allowed to own a gun again, yet you can get a felony conviction wtih illegal road racing - if you get caught enough - and then after your license is suspended for a while, you can own and operate vehicles again.
Hmmmm
I knew a fellow who could not own guns because he was a road racer, and he drove a suped up truck with a nitrous bottle in it as big as a SCUBA tank.
Now, if someone can go to my rifle and say "you don't need that high capacity magazine (and people I have met who say that think more than 10 rounds is high cap), then I certainly want to see all the rice boys and car enthusiasts be told they don't need that turbocharger, nitrous, etc.
It's only fair, right?
The tens of millons of guns out there are not owned for criminal purposes, yet a car designed to go fast is in fact designed to break the law.
What I want is that if I can't be free, I want everybody to live in the same tyranny and nanny state that I do. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1651
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Posted - 2012.07.22 04:11:00 -
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Herr Wilkus wrote:Whang'Lo wrote:So you people not living in the states can clearly see why we have such a problem with guns.
It's the gun nuts.
I've been arguing with these people since the early 90's lol.
Over the years I have met many many people that keep firearms in the house, and I can honestly tell you that almost without exception every single one of them is a TOTAL PARANOID.
And let us not forget how many little 13-15 year old kids are running around with guns in the states. Metal detectors in schools? Don't worry that's not totally insane or anything.
Collectively Americans have demonstrated that they just can't own guns responsibly.
Actually the 'gun nuts' are not the problem. I know, you have this image of an evil, suburban, paunchy, 40-something NRA member. Funny thing is, they don't really commit all that much crime. Look at the FBI statistics. If you somehow disarmed the inner-city gang members, the US ends up with a gun crime rate similar to...hmm...Canada. I speak with experience when I say red states like Montana and Idaho are LOADED with 'gun nuts', and have high gun ownership rates. They have lax laws, but yet - very low gun crime rates. Why? No black people. Show me a state with a high percentage of blacks, and I'll show you a state with lots of gun crime - whether the state has strict laws (Washington D.C.) or not (Alabama.) So when you say 'collectively Americans demonstrated' anything - this NRA member would prefer not to be lumped in with Crips and Bloods, thank you.
Montana is said to have on average 26 guns per household.
Funny you bring up the gangs. I recall a long time ago, some black politicians were maknig a huge gun control push, and a gun store decided to stop selling guns to all black people in support of their goals.
Sent a very clear message that caused the whole thing to be dropped.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
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Woo hoo!
I KNEW this was coming...
The shooter was a gamer.... |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
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Quote:In other words, this guy was equipped with exotic gear by someone with connections to military equipment.
The guy that works in the surplus store? |
Herzog Wolfhammer
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Posted - 2012.07.22 06:12:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Quote:In other words, this guy was equipped with exotic gear by someone with connections to military equipment. The guy that works in the surplus store?
If you or I committed a crime, the investigators would eventually find out how and where we got any equipment involved.
Don't expect that kind of hard work in this case.
All you are supposed to know is, he went online and ordered everything he needed and that's why the internet and everything he ordered should be banned to keep us all safe.
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