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baltec1
Bat Country
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Posted - 2012.07.22 09:21:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:First, for those who might claim that Amendment 2 is "outdated because then they only has flintlocks", I would say that the same argument can be made against the first amendment becuase all they had then was the pen and the printing press.
I'd say its more like outdated because back then they has no real standing army just the militia and a fresh invation by Britain was a very real threat.
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baltec1
Bat Country
1667
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Posted - 2012.07.22 09:26:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:baltec1 wrote:Hestia Mar wrote:
I really have to respond to your post to inject at least some rationality into your world...
You offer prayers to the dead (like that's going to do them any good) and then imply that a no-gun policy won't work. Don't you think it would be more rational to ban guns and ignore religion...do both of those things and the world will be a FAR safer place than it is today.
If the US won't ban guns, ban the sale of ammo or price it exorbitantly - 10,000 dollars a round sir?
Or they could stop selling assault rifles with huge ammo drums. Handguns I get, shotguns sure, hunting rifles ok but assault rifles? Just what is the average man going to be going up against to require one of those Based on that idea, if that happened, and they did once and it didn't work ("Clinton gun ban" 1994 - 2004), then I want every sporty car to be taken off the road. In fact, there are two double standards. You can get a felony conviction not related to violence or guns, and never be allowed to own a gun again, yet you can get a felony conviction wtih illegal road racing - if you get caught enough - and then after your license is suspended for a while, you can own and operate vehicles again. Hmmmm I knew a fellow who could not own guns because he was a road racer, and he drove a suped up truck with a nitrous bottle in it as big as a SCUBA tank. Now, if someone can go to my rifle and say "you don't need that high capacity magazine (and people I have met who say that think more than 10 rounds is high cap), then I certainly want to see all the rice boys and car enthusiasts be told they don't need that turbocharger, nitrous, etc. It's only fair, right? The tens of millons of guns out there are not owned for criminal purposes, yet a car designed to go fast is in fact designed to break the law. What I want is that if I can't be free, I want everybody to live in the same tyranny and nanny state that I do.
Guns are built for killing things, cars are not. Having something that spits out 90 rounds a minute with a drum for 100 plus shots simply has no reason for being in the hands of a civilian. What the hell do you need that kind of firepower for other than fight a war? Or chop down trees...
If you are going to justify that kind of thing you need to come out with something smarter than that dross. |
Theron Urian
The Moirae Syndicate
1
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Posted - 2012.07.22 15:14:00 -
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Whang'Lo wrote:So you people not living in the states can clearly see why we have such a problem with guns.
It's the gun nuts.
I've been arguing with these people since the early 90's lol.
Over the years I have met many many people that keep firearms in the house, and I can honestly tell you that almost without exception every single one of them is a TOTAL PARANOID.
The government is out to get them and take over and they will stop those m1-abram tanks with their shotgun and glock-9.
Theres a boogey man always hanging around waiting to break into their house while they sleep.
I live in a city in florida with roughy 300 or so thousand people. I can literally walk 1/4 mile in any direction and buy any type of gun there is, you name it assault rifle, shotgun, handgun.
99.99999999% of all the guns that are being sold in the united states will never be discharged in a way that would be considered "self defense" under the law. The fact of the matter is whenever someone goes and buys a gun the odds are x1000 times greater that it will be used in a illegal fashion. Such as:
It's stolen.
Used for an armed robbery.
Used in a murder.
Someone commits suicide with it.
It accidently discharges.
And let us not forget how many little 13-15 year old kids are running around with guns in the states. Metal detectors in schools? Don't worry that's not totally insane or anything.
Collectively Americans have demonstrated that they just can't own guns responsibly.
You are completely clueless. Your head is so far up your own ass that it is damn near pointless to debate with you. You are the same as conspiracy theory assholes that think the moon landing was faked.
If you had your way no law abiding citizen would have an equal defense against any criminal as they would continue to break laws and still have a gun.
As things stand right now, any law abiding citizen has the choice to own a gun or not and the ability to defend them selves or there family.
You say that "Collectively Americans have demonstrated that they just can't own guns responsibly." you are wrong, collectively criminals and irresponsible idiots have demonstrated that they just cant own guns responsibly is more like it. |
stoicfaux
1280
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Posted - 2012.07.22 16:11:00 -
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A slave with a gun, isn't a slave. That is the main reason for allowing private gun ownership. Or if you don't believe that slavery exists anymore, then: minorities with guns don't get pushed around. If I were a black muslim lesbian female in the heart of neo-con backwoods redneck fundamentalist christian WASP country, I sure as hell would be carrying a concealed weapon under my rainbow colored pride burka.
Yes, the amount of gun deaths increases due to stupidity (i.e. accidents, husbands coming home early, fights, etc..) OTOH, if every head of family in that theater had been carrying a weapon, I don't think Mr. Holmes would have been able to shoot as many people as he did.
Gun ownership is a trade off involving high-stakes calculus that is ugly and brutal: Freedom from Tyranny, self-protection/self-reliance versus increased collateral deaths. Even so, gun owners need to realize that gun ownership won't keep you free. Guns are NOT a panacea that will protect you if society as a whole collapses. If we really want to protect ourselves, then we need to work together and find solutions to a myriad of socio-economic issues and not pretend that guns will shield us from "other people's problems."
I don't think people realize just how fine the line is between civilization and the stone age. How often does your local supermarket stock up with food? Several times a week? If for any reason (gas shortage, EMP, major national disaster, food shortage due to weather, etc.,) reliable food delivery becomes impaired, what do you think is going to happen to cities with millions of people? They're going to start starving within a single week. Then those millions of starving people are going to stream out of the cities like locusts and loot the countryside for food, and the proverbial ranch full of gun-nut militia members doesn't have enough ammo to defend itself against millions of starving people. If a fundamental pillar of society falls, such as reliable food delivery, then all the guns in world won't save you/us.
And let's not forget the whole, in the US the "400 wealthiest Americans own as much or more wealth as the bottom 50% of Americans." Capitalism may be a great economic system, but the whole point of a society's economic system is to allow its citizens to 'fairly' allocate limited resources. If a large portion of your society isn't benefiting from your economic system, then a large portion of your society has no need of your economic system, and thus they don't need your society. Meaning, when push comes to shove, that's 400 American citizens versus 155,000,000 US citizens. Who do you think is going to win that fight?
Guns are here to stay in the US; there's no putting that genie back in the bottle. Guns are important for the meta-game of preventing government tyranny. Guns will not fix our socio-economic problems, nor will they prevent society from collapsing. The whole gun control debate is waste of time and hot air right now.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
466
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Posted - 2012.07.22 16:26:00 -
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Shameless Avenger wrote:(...)
The rest of the world? Let me see what I remember from my 33 years of living outside the US:
* Steel windows. * Steel doors. * 8 foot tall fence (including front patio) with barbed wire on top. * Steel gates on all windows and doors. * Steel cages for the air conditioner units. * Reinforced concrete (no cinder blocks), even for the roof. * Despite all defenses, still had the home invaded twice... with all the family inside. * Cars robbed from inside the garage, 5 times. * Home burglarized, 12 times. * Robbed/Mugged while entering/exiting the neighborhood, over 20 times. * Stabbed... once * Shoot at... lost count
Hum... I think I'll rather stay in gun-lovin' Florida... with my glass windows, my dry-walls and mah guns.
Yes, life conditions kinda suck in Somalia... "We want your help to convince management to develop Incarna into 3rd person shooter dungeon raiding with friendly fire in nullsec space..."
Seriously, Team Avatar? |
Anya Klibor
Rebirth. THE GOD SQUAD
91
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Posted - 2012.07.22 19:43:00 -
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Whang'Lo wrote:So you people not living in the states can clearly see why we have such a problem with guns.
It's the gun nuts.
I've been arguing with these people since the early 90's lol.
Over the years I have met many many people that keep firearms in the house, and I can honestly tell you that almost without exception every single one of them is a TOTAL PARANOID.
The government is out to get them and take over and they will stop those m1-abram tanks with their shotgun and glock-9.
Theres a boogey man always hanging around waiting to break into their house while they sleep.
I live in a city in florida with roughy 300 or so thousand people. I can literally walk 1/4 mile in any direction and buy any type of gun there is, you name it assault rifle, shotgun, handgun.
99.99999999% of all the guns that are being sold in the united states will never be discharged in a way that would be considered "self defense" under the law. The fact of the matter is whenever someone goes and buys a gun the odds are x1000 times greater that it will be used in a illegal fashion. Such as:
It's stolen.
Used for an armed robbery.
Used in a murder.
Someone commits suicide with it.
It accidently discharges.
And let us not forget how many little 13-15 year old kids are running around with guns in the states. Metal detectors in schools? Don't worry that's not totally insane or anything.
Collectively Americans have demonstrated that they just can't own guns responsibly.
Hi, how you doing? So I'm going to need to bring you back to reality here and ask to see your sources for this. Otherwise, 1/10 for trolling effort. |
Shameless Avenger
307
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Posted - 2012.07.22 20:54:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Shameless Avenger wrote:(...)
The rest of the world? Let me see what I remember from my 33 years of living outside the US:
* Steel windows. * Steel doors. * 8 foot tall fence (including front patio) with barbed wire on top. * Steel gates on all windows and doors. * Steel cages for the air conditioner units. * Reinforced concrete (no cinder blocks), even for the roof. * Despite all defenses, still had the home invaded twice... with all the family inside. * Cars robbed from inside the garage, 5 times. * Home burglarized, 12 times. * Robbed/Mugged while entering/exiting the neighborhood, over 20 times. * Stabbed... once * Shoot at... lost count
Hum... I think I'll rather stay in gun-lovin' Florida... with my glass windows, my dry-walls and mah guns.
Yes, life conditions kinda suck in Somalia...
You haven't been to Detroit haven't you?
"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro" ~ The Story of the Ninja |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
466
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Posted - 2012.07.22 21:24:00 -
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Shameless Avenger wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Shameless Avenger wrote:(...)
The rest of the world? Let me see what I remember from my 33 years of living outside the US:
* Steel windows. * Steel doors. * 8 foot tall fence (including front patio) with barbed wire on top. * Steel gates on all windows and doors. * Steel cages for the air conditioner units. * Reinforced concrete (no cinder blocks), even for the roof. * Despite all defenses, still had the home invaded twice... with all the family inside. * Cars robbed from inside the garage, 5 times. * Home burglarized, 12 times. * Robbed/Mugged while entering/exiting the neighborhood, over 20 times. * Stabbed... once * Shoot at... lost count
Hum... I think I'll rather stay in gun-lovin' Florida... with my glass windows, my dry-walls and mah guns.
Yes, life conditions kinda suck in Somalia... You haven't been to Detroit haven't you?
Detroit? Didn't you said that you had lived outside of the US? "We want your help to convince management to develop Incarna into 3rd person shooter dungeon raiding with friendly fire in nullsec space..."
Seriously, Team Avatar? |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1652
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Posted - 2012.07.22 22:04:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:baltec1 wrote:Hestia Mar wrote:
I really have to respond to your post to inject at least some rationality into your world...
You offer prayers to the dead (like that's going to do them any good) and then imply that a no-gun policy won't work. Don't you think it would be more rational to ban guns and ignore religion...do both of those things and the world will be a FAR safer place than it is today.
If the US won't ban guns, ban the sale of ammo or price it exorbitantly - 10,000 dollars a round sir?
Or they could stop selling assault rifles with huge ammo drums. Handguns I get, shotguns sure, hunting rifles ok but assault rifles? Just what is the average man going to be going up against to require one of those Based on that idea, if that happened, and they did once and it didn't work ("Clinton gun ban" 1994 - 2004), then I want every sporty car to be taken off the road. In fact, there are two double standards. You can get a felony conviction not related to violence or guns, and never be allowed to own a gun again, yet you can get a felony conviction wtih illegal road racing - if you get caught enough - and then after your license is suspended for a while, you can own and operate vehicles again. Hmmmm I knew a fellow who could not own guns because he was a road racer, and he drove a suped up truck with a nitrous bottle in it as big as a SCUBA tank. Now, if someone can go to my rifle and say "you don't need that high capacity magazine (and people I have met who say that think more than 10 rounds is high cap), then I certainly want to see all the rice boys and car enthusiasts be told they don't need that turbocharger, nitrous, etc. It's only fair, right? The tens of millons of guns out there are not owned for criminal purposes, yet a car designed to go fast is in fact designed to break the law. What I want is that if I can't be free, I want everybody to live in the same tyranny and nanny state that I do. Guns are built for killing things, cars are not. Having something that spits out 90 rounds a minute with a drum for 100 plus shots simply has no reason for being in the hands of a civilian. What the hell do you need that kind of firepower for other than fight a war? Or chop down trees... If you are going to justify that kind of thing you need to come out with something smarter than that dross.
A sports car is built for what?
Speed, right?
And on the same roads as everybody else too.
Back in the 1990s, I heard a very common refrain from all those suburban soccer moms regarding their SUV: "If there is an accident, I want the people in the other vehicle to die". Mike Judge made fun of this mentality in a "King of the Hill" episode.
Might I need to cite motor vehicle deaths ?
Keep this in mind though, real freedom is not needing acceptance or permission from the likes of you. So nothing you say is going to change my mind. I have guns because I can.
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Shameless Avenger
307
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Posted - 2012.07.22 23:00:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Detroit? Didn't you said that you had lived outside of the US?
And your point is? "This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro" ~ The Story of the Ninja |
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Agaetis Byrjun Endalaust
Repercussus RAZOR Alliance
13
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Posted - 2012.07.22 23:07:00 -
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only faggots need a military arsenal in their houses to "feel safe", so you american ones are fighting for faggotry being a Constitutional Right, correct? Keep going being slaughtered by your neighbors and sons then. ______________________________ just because you're paranoid it doesn't mean they're not after you |
Dranchela
Flashpoint Industries Imperial Hull Tankers
14
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Posted - 2012.07.23 00:31:00 -
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Agaetis Byrjun Endalaust wrote:only faggots need a military arsenal in their houses to "feel safe", so you american ones are fighting for faggotry being a Constitutional Right, correct? Keep going being slaughtered by your neighbors and sons then.
You must be around 15 years old. Try to grow up, please. |
Bommel McMurdoc
East Khanid Trading Khanid Trade Syndicate
7
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Posted - 2012.07.23 01:02:00 -
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What happened in Aurora, Colorado was a horrible moment for the people involved. My heart goes out to the families who have lost their loved ones to an unstable individual.
It still surprises me to this day how easy it is for some people to just snap. I mean this guy was studying to complete a PhD to become a neurologist and goes into a crowded theatre with combat gear and high powered weapons. I have a feeling that this guy saw the movie "rampage" and wanted to emulate it. (mind you not confirmed just my own personal thought.)
I became very saddened when I discovered that a 4 month old baby and a 6 year old child were added to the list of victims, the 6 year old child was killed and the 4 month old child was simply treated for exposure to the gas Holmes tossed into the crowd. It saddens me also, that the families took children so young to a midnight premier of a movie. Most baffling is the 4 month old being there. =( I suppose babysitters are difficult to procure. While I understand shooting spree's are few and far in between, finding a babysitter may certainly, have saved the life of the 6 year old child. |
Linna Excel
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
65
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Posted - 2012.07.23 02:08:00 -
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Thank God his gun jammed. It's a shame no one else in that theater was armed to stop that sicko.
Taking away guns: its pointless because murderers will still find a way to murder... don't forget he had rigged an apartment with IEDs, and a person who gives up his liberties for security deserves neither. If you give your weapons to someone else, you are at their mercy. Doesn't always work out well. In fact did you even see the movie?
I'll leave out the spoilers and say this: the American Revolution started because the bad guys, Britian at the time, wanted to take away our guns so they could control us better. That's what people who want power do, and they do exist: they make sure to protect it. One of those ways is make sure your tanks can run over any and all civil rights protesters (a la Teinamen square or when Iran killed protesters who found out the government rigged the elections) at will without fear.
What do you get when you cross an owl and a bungee cord? |
xavier69
Stark Enterprises LLC
4
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Posted - 2012.07.23 02:19:00 -
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I find this entire thread offensive and utter joke the fact ccp has left up here with out locking it a testament to hate of USA or incompetence
HONOR THE DEAD!!
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Bommel McMurdoc
East Khanid Trading Khanid Trade Syndicate
8
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Posted - 2012.07.23 02:25:00 -
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xavier69 wrote: I find this entire thread offensive and utter joke the fact ccp has left up here with out locking it a testament to hate of USA or incompetence
HONOR THE DEAD!!
"out of pod experience" means anything outside of EvE.
Funny, a few people in this thread are talking about the first amendment and this guy here, probably an american, is offended by what's being written. Or, perhaps i'm being too literal. /shrugs |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1652
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Posted - 2012.07.23 02:33:00 -
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Oh oh, someone somewhere who did something was into something that a lot of people here are into...
Quick! To the PassMoreLawsMobile!!!1!!!!
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Wrayeth
We Reach Around Situation: Normal
30
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Posted - 2012.07.23 03:20:00 -
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Just a quick note, as I don't intend to get any more involved in the argument than this:
When people died in the shooting in Norway, the response was "Oh my God, how horrible! Our hearts go out to the people of Norway!" Yet, when something similar happened in the United States, the forums exploded with 'That's what you get for being dirty, evil warmongers and allowing your people to own firearms!"
I don't know about you, but to me that seems more than a tiny bit prejudiced and cold-hearted. |
Theron Urian
The Moirae Syndicate
1
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Posted - 2012.07.23 03:21:00 -
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Agaetis Byrjun Endalaust wrote:only faggots need a military arsenal in their houses to "feel safe", so you american ones are fighting for faggotry being a Constitutional Right, correct? Keep going being slaughtered by your neighbors and sons then.
DAMN! Looks like we have us an internet bad ass! Look out every one this guys serious! |
Theron Urian
The Moirae Syndicate
1
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Posted - 2012.07.23 03:32:00 -
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xavier69 wrote: I find this entire thread offensive and utter joke the fact ccp has left up here with out locking it a testament to hate of USA or incompetence
HONOR THE DEAD!!
I have yet to see any one make a joke or light of the situation. The situation did happen tho, and it has now sparked a debate about the second amendment and other things ( violent media ).
When 9/11 went down was the hole of America not in outrage and debating on a course of events that should take place and voicing there own opinion?
No one is disrespecting any one that died, calm down there is no need to start angrily finger pointing. |
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Agaetis Byrjun Endalaust
Repercussus RAZOR Alliance
13
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Posted - 2012.07.23 03:36:00 -
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not that serious to need assault rifles and such stuff in my house yet
edit: you edited first I see, anyway guess you've got the message Theron ______________________________ just because you're paranoid it doesn't mean they're not after you |
Shameless Avenger
308
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Posted - 2012.07.23 03:51:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Oh oh, someone somewhere who did something was into something that a lot of people here are into... Quick! To the PassMoreLawsMobile!!!1!!!!
I love these stories... it shows double standards to their highest degree. Had the guy been a football player he would be a "great athlete" and a "promising young man". But his hobby was games and now he is "addicted to games" and "out of touch with reality".
"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro" ~ The Story of the Ninja |
Theron Urian
The Moirae Syndicate
1
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Posted - 2012.07.23 03:53:00 -
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Agaetis Byrjun Endalaust wrote:not that serious to need assault rifles and such stuff in my house yet
edit: you edited first I see, anyway guess you've got the message Theron
I didn't edit crap, my post was removed. I guess it was "Offensive"
Thumbs up for looking like a fool tho. |
Shameless Avenger
308
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Posted - 2012.07.23 03:55:00 -
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Agaetis Byrjun Endalaust wrote:not that serious to need assault rifles and such stuff in my house yet
The guy didn't had an Assault Rifle. He had a semi-automatic AR-15 rifle. Different things. Don't believe me, watch this nice policeman explain it: Linky.
"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro" ~ The Story of the Ninja |
baltec1
Bat Country
1671
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Posted - 2012.07.23 04:23:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:A sports car is built for what? Speed, right? And on the same roads as everybody else too. Back in the 1990s, I heard a very common refrain from all those suburban soccer moms regarding their SUV: "If there is an accident, I want the people in the other vehicle to die". Mike Judge made fun of this mentality in a "King of the Hill" episode. Might I need to cite motor vehicle deaths ? Keep this in mind though, real freedom is not needing acceptance or permission from the likes of you. So nothing you say is going to change my mind. I have guns because I can.
I have no issue with you owning a gun for protection or hunting or sport. I simply dont get why you need military grade weaponry. |
baltec1
Bat Country
1671
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Posted - 2012.07.23 04:25:00 -
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Wrayeth wrote:Just a quick note, as I don't intend to get any more involved in the argument than this:
When people died in the shooting in Norway, the response was "Oh my God, how horrible! Our hearts go out to the people of Norway!" Yet, when something similar happened in the United States, the forums exploded with 'That's what you get for being dirty, evil warmongers and allowing your people to own firearms!"
I don't know about you, but to me that seems more than a tiny bit prejudiced and cold-hearted.
It happens so often in the USA that its lost all shock value. |
Pr1ncess Alia
Perkone Caldari State
237
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Posted - 2012.07.23 04:35:00 -
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baltec1 wrote: I have no issue with you owning a gun for protection or hunting or sport. I simply dont get why you need military grade weaponry.
At the end of the day, it really doesn't matter.
Crazy people that set their minds on sick selfish acts like this will go to great lengths to make them happen. What is considered actually military hardware is incredibly difficult for a civilian to get his hands on legally, what most consider "military hardware" isn't and this isn't forgetting no law keeps determined people from getting their hands on illegal stuff anyways.
It's a tired out argument, but the truth of it can't be diminished. If this kid could not get his hands on a gun, he could have used a vehicle, or made a bomb... the sick mind of a killer can come up with many ways to inflict their pain and no matter what you think you can do to stop them will be completely impotent in the face of a resourceful person dead set on committing an act of terror.
When terrible things like this happen we all grasp for answers, but there aren't any. We want to lash out and make it not possible, but there is nothing defined we can do to stop random acts of violence. Nothing.
Sometimes you get lucky, a cop runs into the guy on his way to a crime, a friend knows something is up and speaks up to authorities before it's too late... sometimes you don't get so lucky.
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Shameless Avenger
308
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Posted - 2012.07.23 04:37:00 -
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baltec1 wrote: I have no issue with you owning a gun for protection or hunting or sport. I simply dont get why you need military grade weaponry.
Define "military grade weaponry".
"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro" ~ The Story of the Ninja |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1693
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Posted - 2012.07.23 04:54:00 -
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Shameless Avenger wrote:baltec1 wrote: I have no issue with you owning a gun for protection or hunting or sport. I simply dont get why you need military grade weaponry.
Define "military grade weaponry".
Yes, surely my duck hunting napalm isn't military grade
Also, if you want to legally own a "military grade weapon" in the US... say an M16 or an AK with a selector lever. The end cost with the fees is going to be around $350,000 |
Shameless Avenger
308
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Posted - 2012.07.23 05:14:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Shameless Avenger wrote:baltec1 wrote: I have no issue with you owning a gun for protection or hunting or sport. I simply dont get why you need military grade weaponry.
Define "military grade weaponry". Yes, surely my duck hunting napalm isn't military grade Also, if you want to legally own a "military grade weapon" in the US... say an M16 or an AK with a selector lever. The end cost with the fees is going to be around $350,000
Well said Bunny... now forum trolls and wannabe weapon experts will go on google retreat trying to formulate a comeback. We'll know they have google'd when they start talking about "Mil Specs" & "Match Grade" components. It's gonna take them a while.
"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro" ~ The Story of the Ninja |
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