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Miilla	Posted - 2010.07.07 13:56:00 - [91] Edited by: Miilla on 07/07/2010 13:56:53 Originally by: Demolishar Originally by: Miilla I for one cannot wait until the first REAL LIFE DEATH resulting from this. That's a bit bloodthirsty. That is reality, that will happen in time and unfortunatley that is what it will take for them to remove it. What about when you start getting phone calls from a sexual predator after your kid who he now knows his real name and thus able to track him down, even his school? Maybe these kind of people don't exist right? When do you say stop? When it is too late?
Pewchew Amarr	Posted - 2010.07.07 13:57:00 - [92] Edited by: Pewchew on 07/07/2010 13:59:16 Originally by: Miilla Edited by: Miilla on 07/07/2010 13:51:34 Originally by: Pewchew Edited by: Pewchew on 07/07/2010 13:49:16 They kinda have already been burned by this. Well one of their GMs supporting it anyway: http://wowriot.gameriot.com/blogs/Americans-are-bad-at-games/Real-Names-on-the-Official-Forums-New-REAL-ID-function Basically the guy had to delete his facebook and disconnect his phone line after posting his real name on the forum. Who cares if its even the right details, lets screw him over anyway :) That is also another scenario that will happen, mistaken identity, never happened to pedos in real life either, peopel get beaten up because they have the same name or live in the same address. I for one cannot wait until the first REAL LIFE DEATH resulting from this. That's what it will take to make them remove it. If someone is killed over it they will have bigger worries than fixing their system. Someone will probably go to prison over it :P If they are found liable no amount of T&Cs will protect them, especially in Europe.
Dan O'Connor Cerberus Network Dignitas.	Posted - 2010.07.07 13:58:00 - [93] Originally by: Demolishar Originally by: Miilla I for one cannot wait until the first REAL LIFE DEATH resulting from this. That's a bit bloodthirsty. If someone's really gonna die because of this, then Blizzard might as well close all WoW realms this very moment. Item DB \| Sigs
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2010.07.07 13:58:00 - [94] Originally by: Miilla Edited by: Miilla on 07/07/2010 13:56:53 Originally by: Demolishar Originally by: Miilla I for one cannot wait until the first REAL LIFE DEATH resulting from this. That's a bit bloodthirsty. That is reality, that will happen in time and unfortunatley that is what it will take for them to remove it. What about when you start getting phone calls from a sexual predator after your kid who he now knows his real name and thus able to track him down, even his school? Maybe these kind of people don't exist right? When do you say stop? When it is too late? Are you just trying to make arguments that have more holes in them than a good cheese or doing it by accident? These sexual predators that are hunting children indeed could go to WoW forums, finding out a nice kid, using his name to try to track him down and then go to his school and kidnap him. Or the alternative, they just go to random school and kidnap someone. Why would they possibly go for your option?
Miilla	Posted - 2010.07.07 14:01:00 - [95] Edited by: Miilla on 07/07/2010 14:04:55 Security Flaw in Real Id? never So far I have probably opened 30 Sexual harassment petitions and 12 real life physical threat petitions. Had numerious people week or more than a week banned due to it. Had threats with being physically cut with a knife, ear to ear and more. Had perverted teens want me to have sex with their pet animals. Not fun. Seriously they're fracking TWISTED PEOPLE. How will CCP protect me when they have my Real Name, and thus able to mine for more information. If CCP implement this, I want all my post history DELETED and I will never post again in the forums :) I imagine I wouldnt be alone in that. Safer solution, remove the forum completely because I dont want THIS to happen or THIS RAGE MORE MORE RAGE! MORE RAGE WoW Rage I had an even better one with an Aussie in it, but lost the link :( but you get the picture, these are tame from what I have encountered in Eve. Those rages above are pure quality up standing people of society, and paying customers. Is that the kind of people you want to know your real name and more? I pay to play Eve, not be a freak magnet.
Abbot Laarkin Order Of Mystical Mountain Monks	Posted - 2010.07.07 14:08:00 - [96] Originally by: Miilla Edited by: Miilla on 07/07/2010 13:56:53 Originally by: Demolishar Originally by: Miilla I for one cannot wait until the first REAL LIFE DEATH resulting from this. That's a bit bloodthirsty. That is reality, that will happen in time and unfortunatley that is what it will take for them to remove it. What about when you start getting phone calls from a sexual predator after your kid who he now knows his real name and thus able to track him down, even his school? Maybe these kind of people don't exist right? When do you say stop? When it is too late? Exactly. Possessing someone's name gives those with malicious/ perverted intent a huge advantage in manipulating younger people into divulging further information. This is the main reason that certain MMO's make it a ban-able offence to ask someone their real name in-game or on forums. Some games have specific "teams" of GM's who's sole responsibility is to investigate potential "grooming" behaviour, and to liaise with the authorities in various countries if/ when certain "thresholds" of suspicious behaviour are reached. This is a serious issue, and one that any responsible game company should go to great lengths to combat. Which is why I find Blizzards decision to implement this as extremely irresponsible at best. Waiting for the inevitable (yes I do think this will happen) situation where a sexual predator uses this to succeed in entrapping a child before doing something about it is, to my mind, criminally negligent. Peace. ---- Originally by: Sir Carnage Originally by: Marko Riva Why does that read like they're all 12 and have an IQ of 37? I was under the impression they were 37 and had an IQ of 12
Miilla	Posted - 2010.07.07 14:11:00 - [97] Another problem is cyberbullying yes its very real. Star wars kid bullied Plenty of cyber bullying too
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2010.07.07 14:12:00 - [98] Edited by: Furb Killer on 07/07/2010 14:16:19 Edited by: Furb Killer on 07/07/2010 14:13:34 Those twisted people also exist in the real world. There they also have access to who you are, there you also survive. Btw with also my fair share of death threats (And a few sexual harrasment, while they knew i am male, didnt stop them from telling some things they would do which normally happen in prison), i wouldnt mind them having my real name, if that means i also have their real name. How many people do you think would do sexual harrasment in a game when their real name is known? (Also had a "i know who you are" threath once, by someone who actually did know my real name and is from same country as i am (netherlands, which is pretty small), still i really cant be bothered to take internet threats serious). Quote: Another problem is cyberbullying yes its very real. Which is nothing worse than normal bullying, and usually done by, as was also the case there, by people who directly know the target. So hiding his name on forums would not help him in any way. BTW: I do also see the disadvantages. Personally i also rather have others not having my name. But what is the alternative? Forums like these can be 'easily' moderated because they can just ban the account behind the char. But what about 'normal' forums where everyone can make a new account? Or eve itself where everyone can make infinite trial accounts. How do you stop people from behaving like morons? Accepting people behave like idiots when anonymous and ignoring the problems + just telling people to hide their gender, race, etc does not seem like a solution to me.
Mazzarins Demise Profit Development and Research Association	Posted - 2010.07.07 14:14:00 - [99] Apologies to anyone out there who disagrees, but I'll take an army of trolls over my name being freely available to anyone every day of the god damn week. _________________________________________ Support the "Seed Primae on the market or ORE LP Stores" proposal! Click here!
Malcanis Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.07.07 14:16:00 - [100] Originally by: Furb Killer i wouldnt mind them having my real name, if that means i also have their real name Why on earth would they use their real name? Pro-Tip: webmail addresses are free and can be created in about 90 seconds. Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
Miilla	Posted - 2010.07.07 14:17:00 - [101] Eve is a relatively small player base (compared to WoW) but Eve is a more "harsh" world by design and thus provokes more rage (see my previous links for some examples). I like my privacy and value it, I do not give it up at the drop of a hat as it seems most people seem to nowdays. Somebody has to fight for your rights, doesn't seem that person is the ones who want this, so, who will be there to save you when we are all gone? :) There was a poem written about that, called "First them came" - its on wikipedia.
JitaPriceChecker2	Posted - 2010.07.07 14:18:00 - [102] If this will ever come to EVE i quit . It is a ****tard idea.
Farati	Posted - 2010.07.07 14:22:00 - [103] chuckle
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2010.07.07 14:23:00 - [104] Edited by: Furb Killer on 07/07/2010 14:23:24 Originally by: Miilla Eve is a relatively small player base (compared to WoW) but Eve is a more "harsh" world by design and thus provokes more rage (see my previous links for some examples). I like my privacy and value it, I do not give it up at the drop of a hat as it seems most people seem to nowdays. Somebody has to fight for your rights, doesn't seem that person is the ones who want this, so, who will be there to save you when we are all gone? :) There was a poem written about that, called "First them came" - its on wikipedia. I thought we were finished with comparing using your real name on the internet with genocide and the holocaust, and insinuating people in favour of it are actually ****s. (Not to mention it isnt in any way related). Would be handy tbh if this thing is locked and we just continue in the one in oope
Miilla	Posted - 2010.07.07 14:24:00 - [105] Edited by: Miilla on 07/07/2010 14:24:35 Originally by: Furb Killer Edited by: Furb Killer on 07/07/2010 14:23:24 Originally by: Miilla Eve is a relatively small player base (compared to WoW) but Eve is a more "harsh" world by design and thus provokes more rage (see my previous links for some examples). I like my privacy and value it, I do not give it up at the drop of a hat as it seems most people seem to nowdays. Somebody has to fight for your rights, doesn't seem that person is the ones who want this, so, who will be there to save you when we are all gone? :) There was a poem written about that, called "First them came" - its on wikipedia. I thought we were finished with comparing using your real name on the internet with genocide and the holocaust, and insinuating people in favour of it are actually ****s. (Not to mention it isnt in any way related). Would be handy tbh if this thing is locked and we just continue in the one in oope Well nice try at a comeback but it is actually a warning for future generations about what happened in the past. Ignore it at your pearl. Oh wait, it mostly has been ignored by todays generation.
Ganagati Caldari Dark Ashes	Posted - 2010.07.07 14:24:00 - [106] I really don't think you have to worry about this happening with EVE. The reaction to this has been less than pleasant all around, and if Blizzard keeps Real ID it would be either due to pride or not wanting to have wasted all the money implementing it for nothing. Companies are made up of REAL PEOPLE who are actually intelligent enough to look at this situation and realize it would be bad for business. Don't underestimate CCP that much. :-P
Spurty Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord	Posted - 2010.07.07 14:25:00 - [107] Edited by: Spurty on 07/07/2010 14:24:55 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1349140 **** off with your rumor threads NAPS: forcing you to play 'their' game
Dan O'Connor Cerberus Network Dignitas.	Posted - 2010.07.07 14:26:00 - [108] Originally by: Spurty Edited by: Spurty on 07/07/2010 14:24:55 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1349140 ** off with your rumor threads Uhm... Item DB** \| Sigs
The Wicked1	Posted - 2010.07.07 14:26:00 - [109] Originally by: Sir Rush Edited by: Sir Rush on 07/07/2010 10:45:28 Why EVE players get their panties all up in a bunch over what Blizzard does or doesn't do is beyond me. You know, just because Blizzard does it, doesn't mean everyone'll do it. CCP can make their own decisions. You can start freaking out once CCP announces it'll use the Real ID thing. So, never. This. And I sense that this thread will/should get moved to Out of pod experience Originally by: "CCP Fallout" Originally by: "FunTimeBarbie" Dumb dee dumb dee da daldary dumb dumb. DURPY DURP DURP!!!!! ... I durped you with a lock.
KaarBaak Minmatar Squirrel Team	Posted - 2010.07.07 14:27:00 - [110] I'm not sure how anyone would get a minor's personal information? The EULA clearly states that accounts for minor children must be setup by a consenting (adult) parent. So, the parent's name would be on the minor child's forum postings. But I guess we're back to "How can I be responsible for my child's actions." right? If THAT's the problem, you have bigger issues than forum posting. So, the "but what about the children" whine is moot. Stick to the supposed "real" issues. Like the people who are afraid someone will find them due to their eve account, yet posts all kinds of intimate details on Facebook, &etc. And while we're harping on the "no personal information allowed" tenet of the EULA, does that mean I can start having people banned when they claim "I've been a computer programmer since 1975 and this is how CCP could do it better..." I would say posting your personal work history is personal information. So cut it out. I don't really have a dog in this fight, because I don't really care one way or another. I use once avatar/name. I use it on my blog, on my twitter account, on my forum postings and in-game. It would take about 3 minutes for anyone with halfway decent google skills to track me down. But guess what? I'm not that interesting......and neither are you. KB =vinur allra manna MetaGaming
Zaknussem Intrum Industria	Posted - 2010.07.07 14:30:00 - [111] Nice trolling from Activision/Blizzard, I have to say. If some NoName developer/publisher decided to do this, they'd either lose all chance of their product turning a profit or get sued into the next millenium. But this is Blizzard, and they're about to release a sequel to one of the biggest PC games ever made. So naturally they're going to test how far they can push things and still have rabid fanboys rushing to get their product. Let's not forget that Blizzard has already announced that the game will be released in 3 "episodes" that will all be sold at full retail price, or the fact that their servers will be region-locked, or that no LAN-play will be allowed in the game, even though the game earned its reputation because it was such a good LAN game. I honestly don't want to know what other ball-breaking terms lurk in their EULA. If anything, Starcraft 2 is a good test of character. If you're dumb enough to want to get the game and abide by all of their rules, then you're truly getting what you deserve. Regardless of how good the game is. As for the idea of forcing people to use their real names when posting on game forums...it's a good idea. In the case of RealID it's a somewhat poorly thought-out idea, but the basic idea is sound and good. It will happen eventually, so you might as well get used to the idea straight away. Don't like that thought? Tough. I believe the oft-coined phrase is "Adapt or die"? And to the people here asking that people that support real name-usage to step forward and reveal their names...If you're in the middle of a war and you hear that a truce is about to be signed, do you immediately drop everything and stop fighting? Of course not, that's stupid. There's enough scaremongering in this thread already.
Dan O'Connor Cerberus Network Dignitas.	Posted - 2010.07.07 14:39:00 - [112] Originally by: Zaknussem I believe the oft-coined phrase is "Adapt or die"? In this case there's also option 3: Don't use the forums (not to mention privacy laws) Item DB \| Sigs
Abbot Laarkin Order Of Mystical Mountain Monks	Posted - 2010.07.07 14:41:00 - [113] Originally by: Furb Killer Edited by: Furb Killer on 07/07/2010 14:16:19 Edited by: Furb Killer on 07/07/2010 14:13:34 Those twisted people also exist in the real world. There they also have access to who you are, there you also survive. True. But there is a world of difference between a strange adult approaching your child in the street/ playground, and one using the internet to initiate contact. If you live in the UK and are old enough to remember the "Charlie says.." campaign to educate children about the dangers of strangers (among other things) will of grown up with a reasonable idea of how to respond to a stranger offering sweets etc. in an attempt to entice you into a car or whatever. This is something that you hopefully passed on to your own children, helped and re-enforced by teachers, television etc. The internet, and games in particular, are a different kettle of fish. The whole point of MMO's are to allow you to interact with strangers. This gives predators the perfect "in" with those they wish to prey on. It gives them the opportunity to become familiar to you, to encourage a bond of trust that can be used to elicit information which could be used to harm you. All in a relatively "safe" environment where they are less likely to be challenged by a parent, teacher or other concerned adult. Possessing your name is an advantage, whether you recognise it or not. Giving those individuals that advantage just for the sake of cutting down a little on forum spamming is utterly absurd. Those who support this kind of idea either do not have children, or are perhaps a little naive about the dangers inherent in this proposal. Yes there are risks in real life, this does not mean it is acceptable to add to those risks for no particularly pressing reason. Peace. ---- Originally by: Sir Carnage Originally by: Marko Riva Why does that read like they're all 12 and have an IQ of 37? I was under the impression they were 37 and had an IQ of 12
Mazzarins Demise Profit Development and Research Association	Posted - 2010.07.07 14:47:00 - [114] Here are a couple of links of killings and assaults due to disgruntled players obtaining personal information of players they did not like, simply for beating them in-game or killing their in-game character. Stabbing Assault and destruction of property Player murders his rival when they meet in real life News article to coincide with the Youtube video Assaults mother and self-mutilation Similar as article above, just site loads very slowly They are a ton more, go Google them. One stood out where a World of Warcraft couple murdered their own daughter, but that doesn't fit in this discussion. If many haven't noticed, people become VERY attached to their characters. Almost as if they were extensions of themselves, and as you can see, willing to defend it no matter the cost. _________________________________________ Support the "Seed Primae on the market or ORE LP Stores" proposal! Click here!
Celestine Santora	Posted - 2010.07.07 14:49:00 - [115] Originally by: Miilla Edited by: Miilla on 07/07/2010 13:56:53 Originally by: Demolishar Originally by: Miilla I for one cannot wait until the first REAL LIFE DEATH resulting from this. That's a bit bloodthirsty. That is reality, that will happen in time and unfortunatley that is what it will take for them to remove it. What about when you start getting phone calls from a sexual predator after your kid who he now knows his real name and thus able to track him down, even his school? Maybe these kind of people don't exist right? When do you say stop? When it is too late? Wow I'm surprised it took 4 pages for a "THINK OF THE CHILDREN!" post tl;dr remove the internet's anonymous aspect, make everyone accountable for their actions. Everybody benefits (except trolls and general *******s).
Halcyon Ingenium Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse	Posted - 2010.07.07 14:51:00 - [116] I thought rumor threads weren't welcome anymore. Trolls? In my EVE forums? It's more likely than you think...
Miilla	Posted - 2010.07.07 14:54:00 - [117] Originally by: Celestine Santora Originally by: Miilla Edited by: Miilla on 07/07/2010 13:56:53 Originally by: Demolishar Originally by: Miilla I for one cannot wait until the first REAL LIFE DEATH resulting from this. That's a bit bloodthirsty. That is reality, that will happen in time and unfortunatley that is what it will take for them to remove it. What about when you start getting phone calls from a sexual predator after your kid who he now knows his real name and thus able to track him down, even his school? Maybe these kind of people don't exist right? When do you say stop? When it is too late? Wow I'm surprised it took 4 pages for a "THINK OF THE CHILDREN!" post tl;dr remove the internet's anonymous aspect, make everyone accountable for their actions. Everybody benefits (except trolls and general *******s). Actually it was started on Page 1.
Malcanis Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.07.07 14:55:00 - [118] ITT: People who are so unbelievably stupid as to actually believe that Blizzard are doing this to improve their forums. Bad news guys, that's what is called a lie. A statement deliberately designed to mislead and convey false information. Blizzard are doing this because they've signed a huge deal with Facebook. They're selling their customers to one of the sleaziest operations that's still - for now - barely on the right side of the law. Facebook is openly contemptuous of any notion of privacy, and they will sell your profile information to anyone who wants it. Anyone. Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
Damien Smith Krazny Oktyabr Revolyutsiya Yezhovshchina	Posted - 2010.07.07 14:56:00 - [119] Oh no! I'll have to use my real name! Whatever will I d... oh, wait. Seriously though, it's a stupid idea but I can't see ccp ever doing it.
Celestine Santora	Posted - 2010.07.07 14:57:00 - [120] Originally by: Mazzarins Demise Here are a couple of links of killings and assaults due to disgruntled players obtaining personal information of players they did not like, simply for beating them in-game or killing their in-game character. Stabbing Assault and destruction of property Player murders his rival when they meet in real life News article to coincide with the Youtube video Assaults mother and self-mutilation Similar as article above, just site loads very slowly They are a ton more, go Google them. One stood out where a World of Warcraft couple murdered their own daughter, but that doesn't fit in this discussion. If many haven't noticed, people become VERY attached to their characters. Almost as if they were extensions of themselves, and as you can see, willing to defend it no matter the cost. And here's a list of people murdered for stupid and mundane things in no way related to video games: Oh wait I can't list them here because that list would be a threadnaught by itself (the 5 minute post timer makes it REALLY hard to have internet arguments)

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