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Mazzarins Demise
Profit Development and Research Association
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Posted - 2010.07.07 14:59:00 -
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Originally by: Celestine Santora
Originally by: Mazzarins Demise Here are a couple of links of killings and assaults due to disgruntled players obtaining personal information of players they did not like, simply for beating them in-game or killing their in-game character.
Stabbing
Assault and destruction of property
Player murders his rival when they meet in real life News article to coincide with the Youtube video
Assaults mother and self-mutilation Similar as article above, just site loads very slowly
They are a ton more, go Google them. One stood out where a World of Warcraft couple murdered their own daughter, but that doesn't fit in this discussion.
If many haven't noticed, people become VERY attached to their characters. Almost as if they were extensions of themselves, and as you can see, willing to defend it no matter the cost.
And here's a list of people murdered for stupid and mundane things in no way related to video games:
Oh wait I can't list them here because that list would be a threadnaught by itself
(the 5 minute post timer makes it REALLY hard to have internet arguments)
Yea, I just use the sign in/sign out trick, but it gets old really fast. _________________________________________ Support the "Seed Primae on the market and ORE LP Stores" proposal! Click here |
Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2010.07.07 14:59:00 -
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I always did want to see how corp theft would go if everyone knew your name. I bet it would lead to a lot of lulz like this.
Identity theft? Impossible in my interwebz... oh wait...
Can someone link that SA guy whose life got ruined after he posted about his fetish with underwear. Yeah, things like this never happen. I really think that fool who posted his real name on the WoW forums illustrated what happens when goons (not just SA Goons) get your real name and how far this can go. But they'll implement this anyway and cry as they get flooded with such hate they'll end up either dropping it or banning loads of people.
Anyway, this just shows how fascist our societies are getting, with companies and governments out for total control.
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Barakkus
Caelestis Iudicium
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Posted - 2010.07.07 15:02:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T A real name falls quite a bit closer to the anonymity end than the full disclosure end.
Unless you have a pretty unique name, I am the only person with my name in the city I live in. It isn't very hard to figure out what city someone lives in either if you engineer your posts in a way to capture IP addresses.
Originally by: CCP Dropbear
rofl
edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
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Catherine Frasier
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Posted - 2010.07.07 15:02:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake To this end, I suggest that rather than linking all characters to a RL name, they should just link all characters together - so it's possible to see which alt belongs to who.
With the exception of CAOD and similar role-playing channels there is absolutely no reason that posting on the forum should be connected with a particular in-game character. Look at this conversation, what possible difference does it make if I'm an industrialist or a Minmatar Militia fighter? Better yet, if I play both a loyal Amari industrialist and a Minmatari freedom fighter which one of those is my "main" for the purposes of discussing CCP policies or decisions? CCP doesn't exist within the context of Eve and my Amari industrialist doesn't exist in the context of this discussion. Trying to tie the two together is just demonstrating confusion. It would only serve to finally strangle the already rather feeble RP environment in Eve.
OTOH trying to make the connections between all alts and accounts public information is not just confused, it's downright idiotic. To then link that information with real names would be abysmally stupid and dangerously naive.
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Abbot Laarkin
Order Of Mystical Mountain Monks
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Posted - 2010.07.07 15:02:00 -
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Originally by: Celestine Santora
Wow I'm surprised it took 4 pages for a "THINK OF THE CHILDREN!" post
tl;dr remove the internet's anonymous aspect, make everyone accountable for their actions. Everybody benefits (except trolls and general *******s).
Read page 1 a little better
And if you think paedophiles would not benefit from information it might otherwise take them weeks/ months to gain enough trust to elicit, being handed to them on a plate, then you are (with all due respect) an idiot a little naive.
I have children, "THINK OF THE CHILDREN" is by default a way of life for me. Anything less would be a betrayal of my children's trust in me as their parent. There is nothing I would not do to protect my children, up to and including a life term. If you disagree then I sincerely hope (for the sake of your offspring) you never procreate.
Peace. ----
Originally by: Sir Carnage
Originally by: Marko Riva Why does that read like they're all 12 and have an IQ of 37?
I was under the impression they were 37 and had an IQ of 12
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Jada Maroo
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Posted - 2010.07.07 15:03:00 -
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Pedophiles of the internet rejoice!
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Ganagati
Caldari Dark Ashes
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Posted - 2010.07.07 15:04:00 -
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I just read something that shows something will change.
A blizz employee attempted to alleviate everyone's concerns over this. Here is the result.
(Pasted from this WoW Forum Post)
Since I'm not allowed to give out direct information as it's a violation (LMAO) of Blizzard's privacy policy, I'll tell it with all the real names missing.
Blizzard CM, Bashiok who posts on the US forums tried to alleviate people's concerns about the new real name on the forums functionality by posting his own name on the forums, I won't say the name.
After he did this, multiply posts afterwards including a blog on gameriot (just search real id and gameriot into google if you want to read it) found out all his personal information from own his name, including his address, family, facebook, home phone number amongst other things.
They also found out he had a run in with the law back in 2004 involving not carrying any vehnicle registration on him, a felony in the US, and that he committed the same felony this year.
Now I completely disagree with all forms of harrasment, but now this said employee has deleted his facebook and other information.
This Blizzard employee was uncomfortable with the information found out about him solely by him using his own game on these forums.
After he deleted all that information which his own company is forcing on millions of people, there is abo%#%!ely no way in hell Blizzard can go through with this change anymore.
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Barakkus
Caelestis Iudicium
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Posted - 2010.07.07 15:05:00 -
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One thing about the blizz employee who supposedly is being harassed, most gaming companies don't provide complete annonymity for their employees. The community manager for EQ2 usually posts with their first and last names, and most of the time that information is readily available for just about every single developer for EQ2...that is nothing new...people over there on the WoW forums are using the fact that he posted his name as an example of what WILL happen to a lot of people once this goes live.
Originally by: CCP Dropbear
rofl
edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
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Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2010.07.07 15:12:00 -
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Originally by: Celestine Santora
And here's a list of people murdered for stupid and mundane things in no way related to video games:
Oh wait I can't list them here because that list would be a threadnaught by itself
(the 5 minute post timer makes it REALLY hard to have internet arguments)
All those saying anonymity isn't a problem, please mail me your real names in game and CCP will never know and you won't get banned.
Any excuses are simply hypocrisy and you can stfu.
Thank you very much.
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Jada Maroo
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Posted - 2010.07.07 15:15:00 -
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In all seriousness, if I had a child playing WoW their WoW account would be immediately terminated. I wouldn't want WoW weirdos knowing my child's name, let alone all the basement dwellers of Eve. I kid, I kid. I love Eve.
Easiest way to nip this stupid idea on the bud? Let parents know.
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Celestine Santora
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Posted - 2010.07.07 15:16:00 -
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Originally by: Abbot Laarkin
Originally by: Celestine Santora
Wow I'm surprised it took 4 pages for a "THINK OF THE CHILDREN!" post
tl;dr remove the internet's anonymous aspect, make everyone accountable for their actions. Everybody benefits (except trolls and general *******s).
Read page 1 a little better
And if you think paedophiles would not benefit from information it might otherwise take them weeks/ months to gain enough trust to elicit, being handed to them on a plate, then you are (with all due respect) an idiot a little naive.
I have children, "THINK OF THE CHILDREN" is by default a way of life for me. Anything less would be a betrayal of my children's trust in me as their parent. There is nothing I would not do to protect my children, up to and including a life term. If you disagree then I sincerely hope (for the sake of your offspring) you never procreate.
Peace.
If your children are young enough to be preyed upon by pedophiles then they shouldn't be playing online games regardless of whether their information is displayed or not.
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Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2010.07.07 15:19:00 -
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Edited by: Super Whopper on 07/07/2010 15:22:40
Originally by: Barakkus One thing about the blizz employee who supposedly is being harassed, most gaming companies don't provide complete annonymity for their employees. The community manager for EQ2 usually posts with their first and last names, and most of the time that information is readily available for just about every single developer for EQ2...that is nothing new...people over there on the WoW forums are using the fact that he posted his name as an example of what WILL happen to a lot of people once this goes live.
Type of gamer is also imperative here. I know a few EQ2 players and they're not nearly as immature or vindictive as WoW or EVE players. While these things won't happen in EQ2, it will happen when RealID is implemented on the WoW forums and here, if CCP ever get the idea it might be remotely intelligent. I, personally, don't care about WoW and all the 40 year olds going on 13 but I do care about privacy.
Last time I checked there were only three families with my surname in my entire country. You can shove RealID where the sun doesn't shine, because harassing my mother, brother, sister, father and pets will result in bad things being done to you.
P.S. This isn't the end of the world. This just encourages more people to play on private WoW servers, which Blizzard have already ordained as irrelevant, as they believe it brings in more customers for them. Some of these private servers are far, far better than Blizzards, with balance, continuous events, support and fun.
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Catherine Frasier
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Posted - 2010.07.07 15:21:00 -
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Originally by: Celestine Santora If your children are young enough to be preyed upon by pedophiles then they shouldn't be playing online games regardless of whether their information is displayed or not.
And why not exactly?
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Rothrin
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Posted - 2010.07.07 15:21:00 -
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Originally by: Mazzarins Demise Here are a couple of links of killings and assaults due to disgruntled players obtaining personal information of players they did not like, simply for beating them in-game or killing their in-game character.
Stabbing
Assault and destruction of property
Player murders his rival when they meet in real life News article to coincide with the Youtube video
Assaults mother and self-mutilation Similar as article above, just site loads very slowly
They are a ton more, go Google them. One stood out where a World of Warcraft couple murdered their own daughter, but that doesn't fit in this discussion.
If many haven't noticed, people become VERY attached to their characters. Almost as if they were extensions of themselves, and as you can see, willing to defend it no matter the cost.
WEll for this i can't really say wether these people would have done this sort of thing anyway or maybe they were allways unbalnced and after xxxx amount of years of posting stuff on forums with total anonymity they lost perspective of whats right or wrong.
Maybe blizzard are being socail responsable and makeing people understand what they say has meaning, be it on a forum or in a playground or at the workplace as for it attracts weirdos and what not, i think its the same argument as guns dont kill people, people kill people.
And for all those peoplethat have had real life threats made agaisnt their person be it sexual or vilont, hope you reported it to protect others and always remember if cpp wont act on it, then your local police will prolly have a net crimes division who will act on it, Changes to the net are happening and about time to.
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Jada Maroo
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Posted - 2010.07.07 15:22:00 -
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Originally by: Celestine Santora
If your children are young enough to be preyed upon by pedophiles then they shouldn't be playing online games regardless of whether their information is displayed or not.
I wasn't aware there was a child cut-off age for pedophiles. I'm pretty sure anything underage is open season.
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Lt Angus
Caldari the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2010.07.07 15:22:00 -
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Originally by: Barakkus
Originally by: Akita T A real name falls quite a bit closer to the anonymity end than the full disclosure end.
Unless you have a pretty unique name, I am the only person with my name in the city I live in. It isn't very hard to figure out what city someone lives in either if you engineer your posts in a way to capture IP addresses.
Theres about 10 people in the world with my name :-( My goal is to go highlander on them please resize your signature to the maximum allowed file size of 24000 bytes. Navigator Shhhh, Im hunting Badgers |
Dan O'Connor
Cerberus Network Dignitas.
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Posted - 2010.07.07 15:26:00 -
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Originally by: Lt Angus
Originally by: Barakkus
Originally by: Akita T A real name falls quite a bit closer to the anonymity end than the full disclosure end.
Unless you have a pretty unique name, I am the only person with my name in the city I live in. It isn't very hard to figure out what city someone lives in either if you engineer your posts in a way to capture IP addresses.
Theres about 10 people in the world with my name :-( My goal is to go highlander on them
Achievement unlocked: HIGHLANDER There CAN only be one.
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Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2010.07.07 15:27:00 -
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Originally by: Dan O'Connor
Theres about 10 people in the world with my name :-( My goal is to go highlander on them
Achievement unlocked: HIGHLANDER There CAN only be one.
I will never obtain these powers, considering there're only three, as far as I know, with mine
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Washell Olivaw
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Posted - 2010.07.07 15:29:00 -
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Edited by: Washell Olivaw on 07/07/2010 15:32:00 CCP hasn't got the habit to copy Blizzard's business, design and forum policies and decisions. I have no concern they'll implement it here. Edit: if they or any company do, I'm gone. Not interested in explaining why I spend time on this or that forum during job interviews.
Originally by: Signature Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
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Mazzarins Demise
Profit Development and Research Association
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Posted - 2010.07.07 15:35:00 -
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Originally by: Washell Olivaw Edited by: Washell Olivaw on 07/07/2010 15:32:00 CCP hasn't got the habit to copy Blizzard's business, design and forum policies and decisions. I have no concern they'll implement it here. Edit: if they or any company do, I'm gone. Not interested in explaining why I spend time on this or that forum during job interviews.
Yea, I agree. I really don't think CCP will ever implement something like this to their forums. The fact that a rather large company IS considering it though is utterly scary. _________________________________________ Support the "Seed Primae on the market and ORE LP Stores" proposal! Click here |
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digitalwanderer
Gallente DF0 incorporated
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Posted - 2010.07.07 15:44:00 -
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There's tons of people in the world with my first and last name,so i don't see how it's possible to inflict any harm,but i guess it can go on a case by case basis depending on how unique one's name is,as it can make the list of possibilities much shorter in that case.
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Barakkus
Caelestis Iudicium
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Posted - 2010.07.07 15:56:00 -
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Originally by: Super Whopper
Type of gamer is also imperative here. I know a few EQ2 players and they're not nearly as immature or vindictive as WoW or EVE players.
You haven't been in EQ2 lately have you It seems it has been invaded by more of the WoW kiddies lately. You also haven't been on the other side of the game where you are going to be specifically targeted by people you ban from the forums, I should dig up the posts from the moderator forum I saved when I used to be a moderator lol.
At any rate though, I think blizz is making a huge mistake personally.
Originally by: CCP Dropbear
rofl
edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
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stoicfaux
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Posted - 2010.07.07 16:07:00 -
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Originally by: digitalwanderer There's tons of people in the world with my first and last name,so i don't see how it's possible to inflict any harm,but i guess it can go on a case by case basis depending on how unique one's name is,as it can make the list of possibilities much shorter in that case.
Yes, but how many have a middle name of Virag and live in Highland, IN in the USA and were born in 1966?
----- "Are you a sociopathic paranoid schizophrenic with accounting skills? We have the game for you! -- Eve, the game of Alts, Economics, Machiavelli, and PvP"
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Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2010.07.07 16:08:00 -
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Originally by: Barakkus
Originally by: Super Whopper
Type of gamer is also imperative here. I know a few EQ2 players and they're not nearly as immature or vindictive as WoW or EVE players.
You haven't been in EQ2 lately have you It seems it has been invaded by more of the WoW kiddies lately. You also haven't been on the other side of the game where you are going to be specifically targeted by people you ban from the forums, I should dig up the posts from the moderator forum I saved when I used to be a moderator lol.
At any rate though, I think blizz is making a huge mistake personally.
I have, fortunately, never played EQ2 but am interested in your links.
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Miilla
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Posted - 2010.07.07 16:08:00 -
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Edited by: Miilla on 07/07/2010 16:17:18
I have already received many threats and perverted comments. That is enough proof for me this is BAD.
Petitioning does not solve the problem of physical threats of real life hurt given by other customers in game.
CCP, Kill the forums please. If you ever want to do this. Fire your moderators as they will be not needed. NO forum no moderator jobs.
I have no sympathy for the Blizzard moderator that posted his name. He tried to act a smart know it all liar. he got burnt.
Good, he has a criminal history too. I hope he loses his job or leaves due to embarassment. :) Serves him right for being the big man on the internet.
If you cannot manage a forum. Don't run one. Enuf said.
The reason CCP are leaving this discussion open is because they want to see our reaction. I think they got it.
Unfortunatley Blizzard won't care, they are too big. The can afford to lose a % of customers. CCP it seems is getting that way too, growing (white wolf, dust consoels etc), eventually that will happen here too.
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digitalwanderer
Gallente DF0 incorporated
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Posted - 2010.07.07 16:23:00 -
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Edited by: digitalwanderer on 07/07/2010 16:25:05
Originally by: stoicfaux
Originally by: digitalwanderer There's tons of people in the world with my first and last name,so i don't see how it's possible to inflict any harm,but i guess it can go on a case by case basis depending on how unique one's name is,as it can make the list of possibilities much shorter in that case.
Yes, but how many have a middle name of Virag and live in Highland, IN in the USA and were born in 1966?
Hence the second part of my post....It basically won't affect everyone equally,and in the end,it also depends on how you act in game to motivate people too take the time and trouble to search a specific person out as well,as it's extremely unlikely they'll find that person on the first attempt anyhow.
There's realistic chances and there's paranoia,which we've seen plenty on replies on this thread leading a lot more towards paranoia than anything else.
FYI,with just your first and last name,they can't find out where you live or when you were born btw...
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Taattii
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Posted - 2010.07.07 16:24:00 -
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Edited by: Taattii on 07/07/2010 16:27:04
Originally by: digitalwanderer
Originally by: stoicfaux
Originally by: digitalwanderer There's tons of people in the world with my first and last name,so i don't see how it's possible to inflict any harm,but i guess it can go on a case by case basis depending on how unique one's name is,as it can make the list of possibilities much shorter in that case.
Yes, but how many have a middle name of Virag and live in Highland, IN in the USA and were born in 1966?
Hence the second part of my post....It basically won't affect everyone equally,and in the end,it also depends on how you act in game to motivate people too take the time and trouble to search a specific person out as well,as it's extremely unlikely they'll find that person on the first attempt anyhow.
There's realistic chances and there's paranoia,which we've seen plenty on replies on this thread leading a lot more towards paranoia than anything else.
I am not paranoid when I have received physical harm (knifed ear to ear) threats in game and have petitioned those. That is NOT paranoia.
Oops posted with my alt :)
First and last name eh? They cannot? I can sit and watch you, probe you with forum posts and watch your response, social engineer it out of you. Then I get more information and then will know exactly what I want to know about you. I can easily get your country, and narrow it down to area (state or region) just even by directly asking you, lets face it, most online love to brag and its so easy to get it out of you. I just troll you and you emotionally respond with it. Its not rocket science. Its social science.
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Barakkus
Caelestis Iudicium
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Posted - 2010.07.07 16:25:00 -
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Edited by: Barakkus on 07/07/2010 16:26:39
Originally by: Super Whopper
Originally by: Barakkus
Originally by: Super Whopper
Type of gamer is also imperative here. I know a few EQ2 players and they're not nearly as immature or vindictive as WoW or EVE players.
You haven't been in EQ2 lately have you It seems it has been invaded by more of the WoW kiddies lately. You also haven't been on the other side of the game where you are going to be specifically targeted by people you ban from the forums, I should dig up the posts from the moderator forum I saved when I used to be a moderator lol.
At any rate though, I think blizz is making a huge mistake personally.
I have, fortunately, never played EQ2 but am interested in your links.
Unfortunately I'm having trouble finding the pdfs I made from a couple threads concerning the drama surrounding the original set of forum mods, but this is the public version of events:
http://www.eq2flames.com/rate-******/356-out-moderator.html (you're going to have to manually enter the url, it's http://www.eq2flames.com/rate-r e t a r d/356-out-moderator.html
2 things happened, one of the posters on EQ2Flames, Gaige, was a forum moderator and outted us publically for lulz (he's one of the WoW mentallity kiddies), the other part was another one of the forum mods (in game poster Asterothrax) decided to get in the pants of some players using his moderator account and exposed us to his "love interests" (even though he was married) as well. Things went downhill from there, one of the mods, StarryEyedElf started getting harassed irl from it (I may have too, but that's debatable whether it was an EQ2 player or an ex g/f). I was one of the least hated moderators so I avoided a lot of the harassment, I didn't power trip on people like many of the other mods did.
More than likely those threads from the mod boards are on a pair of hard drives sitting in a computer that is shelved atm b/c it died due to over heating last summer...I'll eve mail them if I discover them :P
Originally by: CCP Dropbear
rofl
edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.07.07 16:27:00 -
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I didnt read all 5 pages of replies, but I did read the whole first page of replies. Out d them, zero read the acyual article.
Quote: Real ID is a completely voluntary and optional ...quote]
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Miilla
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Posted - 2010.07.07 16:30:00 -
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Edited by: Miilla on 07/07/2010 16:30:35
Originally by: Cipher Jones Edited by: Cipher Jones on 07/07/2010 16:29:19 Edited by: Cipher Jones on 07/07/2010 16:28:49 I didnt read all 5 pages of replies, but I did read the whole first page of replies. Out of them, zero read the acyual article.
Quote: Real ID is a completely voluntary and optional ...
Reading Comprehension troll much?
"The first and most significant change is that in the near future, anyone posting or replying to a post on official Blizzard forums will be doing so using their Real ID -- that is, their real-life first and last name -- with the option to also display the name of their primary in-game character alongside it."
That is not VOLUNTARY, that is not OPTIONAL.
" anyone posting or replying to a post on official Blizzard forums will be doing so using their Real ID -- that is, their real-life first and last name"
THAT IS EVERY POST.
So, where does it say I can optionally voluntarlly "NOT USE MY REAL NAME ON FORUM POSTS"?
Please show.
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