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Miilla	Posted - 2010.07.07 16:35:00 - [151] Edited by: Miilla on 07/07/2010 16:37:47 Originally by: Dan O'Connor Originally by: Zaknussem I believe the oft-coined phrase is "Adapt or die"? In this case there's also option 3: Don't use the forums (not to mention privacy laws) So, what happens to back dated forum posts? Can we remove them, are they except? Privacy laws? Where? You give them up long ago circa September 11th 2001 I believe. You give them up, you have none. You rolled over like a lapdog then and you are rolling over again. Using laws to remove this is too late. You have already lost the fight. The idea is to stop this happening before it happens not AFTER it happens. Derwood.
Barakkus Caelestis Iudicium	Posted - 2010.07.07 16:36:00 - [152] Originally by: Miilla Originally by: Dan O'Connor Originally by: Zaknussem I believe the oft-coined phrase is "Adapt or die"? In this case there's also option 3: Don't use the forums (not to mention privacy laws) So, what happens to back dated forum posts? Can we remove them, are they except? Privacy laws? Where? You give them up long ago circa September 11th 2001 I believe. You give them up, you have none. Using laws to remove this is too late. You have already lost the fight. The idea is to stop this happening before it happens not AFTER it happens. Derwood. Supposedly it is not retroactive. If it is, I will be lawyering up. Originally by: CCP Dropbear rofl edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
Dan O'Connor Cerberus Network Dignitas.	Posted - 2010.07.07 16:38:00 - [153] Originally by: Cipher Jones Quote: Real ID is a completely voluntary and optional ... Reading Comprehension troll much? Not according to the official announcement, which reads: Recently, we introduced our new Real ID feature http://eu.battle.net/realid/, a new way to stay connected with your friends on the new Battle.net. Today, we wanted to give you a heads up about our plans for Real ID on our official forums, discuss the design philosophy behind the changes weÆre making, and give you a first look at some of the new features weÆre adding to the forums to help improve the quality of conversations and make the forums an even more enjoyable place for players to visit. The first and most significant change is that in the near future, anyone posting or replying to a post on official Blizzard forums will be doing so using their Real ID -- that is, their real-life first and last name -- with the option to also display the name of their primary in-game character alongside it. These changes will go into effect on all StarCraft II forums with the launch of the new community site prior to the July 27 release of the game, with the World of Warcraft site and forums following suit near the launch of Cataclysm. Certain classic forums, including the classic Battle.net forums, will remain unchanged. Item DB \| Sigs
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2010.07.07 16:38:00 - [154] LOL This thread and the rage here is funny. Especially because IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN.
Miilla	Posted - 2010.07.07 16:40:00 - [155] Edited by: Miilla on 07/07/2010 16:42:04 Originally by: Gnulpie LOL This thread and the rage here is funny. Especially because IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. NEVER? I bet they "NEVER" expected this on the Blizzard Forums either! Why do you think CCP allows this thread to remain? Because they want to observe it. Given they don't want "rumour" threads posted and even made a sticky stating posters will be banned if they start RUMOUR threads, why let this thread remain? Oh wait, never say never ring a bell? (It's ringing sirens in my head right now). Maybe I should run for CSM as I seem to be one of the few standing up for customers.
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2010.07.07 16:42:00 - [156] Edited by: Cipher Jones on 07/07/2010 16:42:49 Originally by: Miilla Edited by: Miilla on 07/07/2010 16:30:35 Originally by: Cipher Jones Edited by: Cipher Jones on 07/07/2010 16:29:19 Edited by: Cipher Jones on 07/07/2010 16:28:49 I didnt read all 5 pages of replies, but I did read the whole first page of replies. Out of them, zero read the acyual article. Quote: Real ID is a completely voluntary and optional ... Reading Comprehension troll much? "The first and most significant change is that in the near future, anyone posting or replying to a post on official Blizzard forums will be doing so using their Real ID -- that is, their real-life first and last name -- with the option to also display the name of their primary in-game character alongside it." That is not VOLUNTARY, that is not OPTIONAL. " anyone posting or replying to a post on official Blizzard forums will be doing so using their Real ID -- that is, their real-life first and last name" THAT IS EVERY POST. So, where does it say I can optionally voluntarlly "NOT USE MY REAL NAME ON FORUM POSTS"? Please show. It's definately optional to use the real i.d. system according to bliz, but you have to use real ID to post on the forums. t's 100% vuluntary. Your real name will not be released to anyone unless you elect to use the system. This is clearly a signature.
Maluminse Caldari Out Siders	Posted - 2010.07.07 16:42:00 - [157] Has anyone thought about people who IRL hold positions and names that are easily googlable, and prefer to remain anonymous so some 4chan people [or EVE forums people for that matter] don't end up outside their front windows? Anyone?
Celestine Santora	Posted - 2010.07.07 16:44:00 - [158] Originally by: Maluminse Has anyone thought about people who IRL hold positions and names that are easily googlable, and prefer to remain anonymous so some 4chan people [or EVE forums people for that matter] don't end up outside their front windows? Anyone? If you're doing something online to justify people lining up outside your house you probably deserve it
digitalwanderer Gallente DF0 incorporated	Posted - 2010.07.07 16:45:00 - [159] Edited by: digitalwanderer on 07/07/2010 16:47:04 Originally by: Taattii Edited by: Taattii on 07/07/2010 16:27:04 Originally by: digitalwanderer Originally by: stoicfaux Originally by: digitalwanderer There's tons of people in the world with my first and last name,so i don't see how it's possible to inflict any harm,but i guess it can go on a case by case basis depending on how unique one's name is,as it can make the list of possibilities much shorter in that case. Yes, but how many have a middle name of Virag and live in Highland, IN in the USA and were born in 1966? Hence the second part of my post....It basically won't affect everyone equally,and in the end,it also depends on how you act in game to motivate people too take the time and trouble to search a specific person out as well,as it's extremely unlikely they'll find that person on the first attempt anyhow. There's realistic chances and there's paranoia,which we've seen plenty on replies on this thread leading a lot more towards paranoia than anything else. I am not paranoid when I have received physical harm (knifed ear to ear) threats in game and have petitioned those. That is NOT paranoia. Oops posted with my alt :) First and last name eh? They cannot? I can sit and watch you, probe you with forum posts and watch your response, social engineer it out of you. Then I get more information and then will know exactly what I want to know about you. I can easily get your country, and narrow it down to area (state or region) just even by directly asking you, lets face it, most online love to brag and its so easy to get it out of you. I just troll you and you emotionally respond with it. Its not rocket science. Its social science. Social engineering it huh?,and more to the point me telling you where i live....Listen,i have been playing this game for 7 years,and the only people i've ever told where i was from,were other players who've been playing with me for several years as well,so good luck on me reveiling where i'm from on the forums. The odds are that a lot of players in game are a lot more willing to say where they're from right from the start,so adding that bit of information,with their actual name in the forums when they post is what's freaking people out,but if they do find you,you're the one responsable for giving them a good head start at least,not just the forum name itself.
Miilla	Posted - 2010.07.07 16:46:00 - [160] Originally by: Cipher Jones Edited by: Cipher Jones on 07/07/2010 16:42:49 Originally by: Miilla Edited by: Miilla on 07/07/2010 16:30:35 Originally by: Cipher Jones Edited by: Cipher Jones on 07/07/2010 16:29:19 Edited by: Cipher Jones on 07/07/2010 16:28:49 I didnt read all 5 pages of replies, but I did read the whole first page of replies. Out of them, zero read the acyual article. Quote: Real ID is a completely voluntary and optional ... Reading Comprehension troll much? "The first and most significant change is that in the near future, anyone posting or replying to a post on official Blizzard forums will be doing so using their Real ID -- that is, their real-life first and last name -- with the option to also display the name of their primary in-game character alongside it." That is not VOLUNTARY, that is not OPTIONAL. " anyone posting or replying to a post on official Blizzard forums will be doing so using their Real ID -- that is, their real-life first and last name" THAT IS EVERY POST. So, where does it say I can optionally voluntarlly "NOT USE MY REAL NAME ON FORUM POSTS"? Please show. It's definately optional to use the real i.d. system according to bliz, but you have to use real ID to post on the forums. t's 100% vuluntary. Your real name will not be released to anyone unless you elect to use the system. You mean it's "optional" to "post on the forums". Well that is ALWAYS an option :) Ofcourse if you do, your real name is posted :) Please post a link and quote of your information please. I did. And it contradicts what you say. Here, I will post it again for your lazyness. Linky of quote The first and most significant change is that in the near future, anyone posting or replying to a post on official Blizzard forums will be doing so using their Real ID -- that is, their real-life first and last name -- with the option to also display the name of their primary in-game character alongside it. Translation: If you want to post. Your name is posted too. No If's Not BUt's, IT IS. No option. Except the "option" to NOT POST.
Pewchew Amarr	Posted - 2010.07.07 16:46:00 - [161] Edited by: Pewchew on 07/07/2010 16:46:36 Lets just all hope CCP stay as they are and never get involved with any of the big publishers like Activision. They destroyed a lot of games and careers in their greedy pursuit of more money. Seems like wow is the latest victim.
Dan O'Connor Cerberus Network Dignitas.	Posted - 2010.07.07 16:47:00 - [162] Originally by: Miilla Edited by: Miilla on 07/07/2010 16:37:47 Originally by: Dan O'Connor Originally by: Zaknussem I believe the oft-coined phrase is "Adapt or die"? In this case there's also option 3: Don't use the forums (not to mention privacy laws) So, what happens to back dated forum posts? Can we remove them, are they except? Privacy laws? Where? You give them up long ago circa September 11th 2001 I believe. You give them up, you have none. You rolled over like a lapdog then and you are rolling over again. It won't be in retrospect - only for posts from then on in. We Europeans kinda like our privacy laws though, and we didn't give them up on Sep 11 2001. Item DB \| Sigs
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2010.07.07 16:49:00 - [163] the link is in the first sentence of the page the op linked, if you read it you saw it. This is clearly a signature.
Barakkus Caelestis Iudicium	Posted - 2010.07.07 16:49:00 - [164] Edited by: Barakkus on 07/07/2010 16:49:47 Originally by: Pewchew Edited by: Pewchew on 07/07/2010 16:46:36 Lets just all hope CCP stay as they are and never get involved with any of the big publishers like Activision. They destroyed a lot of games and careers in their greedy pursuit of more money. Seems like wow is the latest victim. CCP is pretty unique in their approach to the industry from what I've seen. No other gaming company allows as much forum PvP as CCP does, or allows/designs for underhanded game play like CCP. I think they're doing pretty well on their own financially and wouldn't need to resort to selling to some mega game corporation, they're buying other game companies, so it's doubtful they will be going the way of Blizzard any time soon. Not to say it won't happen, just not any time in the near future... Originally by: CCP Dropbear rofl edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
Miilla	Posted - 2010.07.07 16:51:00 - [165] Originally by: Dan O'Connor Originally by: Miilla Edited by: Miilla on 07/07/2010 16:37:47 Originally by: Dan O'Connor Originally by: Zaknussem I believe the oft-coined phrase is "Adapt or die"? In this case there's also option 3: Don't use the forums (not to mention privacy laws) So, what happens to back dated forum posts? Can we remove them, are they except? Privacy laws? Where? You give them up long ago circa September 11th 2001 I believe. You give them up, you have none. You rolled over like a lapdog then and you are rolling over again. It won't be in retrospect - only for posts from then on in. We Europeans kinda like our privacy laws though, and we didn't give them up on Sep 11 2001. And? Blizzard operate and sell WoW in Europe also, they are still doing this. Where are your privacy laws now? Well? What do they have to say? Please enlighten us.
Dan O'Connor Cerberus Network Dignitas.	Posted - 2010.07.07 16:56:00 - [166] Edited by: Dan O''Connor on 07/07/2010 16:56:48 Originally by: Miilla Originally by: Dan O'Connor It won't be in retrospect - only for posts from then on in. We Europeans kinda like our privacy laws though, and we didn't give them up on Sep 11 2001. And? Blizzard operate and sell WoW in Europe also, they are still doing this. Where are your privacy laws now? Well? What do they have to say? Please enlighten us. They don't actually really care about laws or such things in, well, pretty much everywhere WoW or other titles are played... apparently. That doesn't turn them invisible or not relevant for a game company that has to respect these kind of things. If you have no control over it (other than actually not posting), that borders on being illegal. At least for some countries here in Europe it would be, and if someone sues - there would be no problem in winning. They'll see. This is quite possible the worst idea in MMO history and a strong contender in the FAIL of the decade. Item DB \| Sigs
Kiko Tojima Amarr Daughters of Hada	Posted - 2010.07.07 16:57:00 - [167] I don't have any fear concerning CCP, after all they actively erase posts where personal information pops up. On another note they openly talked about Ambulation being the means to increase the female population of EVE. Blizzards stunt is the surest way to get rid of that population. Am I right, Ladies?
Pewchew Amarr	Posted - 2010.07.07 17:00:00 - [168] Originally by: Kiko Tojima Ladies? Ladies? Where!? :o
Rebal 88 Minmatar INGEN Industries The Kadeshi	Posted - 2010.07.07 17:04:00 - [169] Don't do it CCP! We love you.
Diomedes Calypso	Posted - 2010.07.07 17:12:00 - [170] Forums are a good size segment of my game play. They are part of the game experience. Im out if they move that way anomn commuication is/was one of the great aspects of the Internet you can express thoughts that are not your opinion but just a possible angle on a subject i am all for examining all possible permutations of an issue then discarding 95% of them. But in the process of considering then discarding the far fetched often grains of truth in the inane help give perpective to reconsider and adapt the more core opinions that is one of the benefits of the rumor postings of the last couple weeks and the counters by parody threads parody is one of the best ways to express subtle and coplicated failures similar to allegory analogy etc out of context a parody or sarcastic or an opinion stated for the purpose of strectching perspective on an issue will be issues that most people would not want associated with them all that is necessary is to learn to sift quickly through signal to noise be secure emogh to shrug off passing insults and always think in a non linear manner
Zartrader	Posted - 2010.07.07 17:12:00 - [171] Edited by: Zartrader on 07/07/2010 17:14:03 The trolling is extreme and the level of discussion in the gutter on Blizzard forums. I suspect they want to remove 90% of the posts in an attempt to clean it up. You get one intelligent post followed by several irrelevant or plain rude replies so rarely does any discussion worth having occur. WOW even tried to change bad behaviour ingame but that didn't work. Since they dumbed the game down it got even worse, no surprise there. EVE is completely different, the quality of posting is a lot higher although we still get the dross. Flaming and smack talk is an accepted part of EVE in the right context. CCP do not want this game to be 'nice' and nor do the players. The need to do this on EVE forums is not there so people should stop panicking.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.07.07 17:15:00 - [172] àI wonder if Ekrid has created a new alt. Oh, and this thread belongs in OOPE. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Barakkus Caelestis Iudicium	Posted - 2010.07.07 17:16:00 - [173] I personally don't like what goes on b/c of the annonimity of the internet, but on the otherhand, a lot worse could happen without it...I just remind myself those being *****s on the internet b/c they can't get a fist shoved down their throat are probably pretty worthless people irl too. Originally by:** CCP Dropbear rofl edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
Barakkus Caelestis Iudicium	Posted - 2010.07.07 17:17:00 - [174] Originally by: Tippia àI wonder if Ekrid has created a new alt. Oh, and this thread belongs in OOPE. You mean like this? Unfortunately some people haven't trained internet forum posting very high Originally by: CCP Dropbear rofl edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
Dirk Mortice	Posted - 2010.07.07 17:21:00 - [175] waits for RL violence to occur because 10 year old loses titan and name of killer matches a guy down his street
kurg	Posted - 2010.07.07 17:22:00 - [176] CCP please do it!, implement something like RealID in hopes the amount of natural selection on these forums will minimize!
digitalwanderer Gallente DF0 incorporated	Posted - 2010.07.07 17:24:00 - [177] This sums it up really: http://www.cad-comic.com/cad/
Mazzarins Demise Profit Development and Research Association	Posted - 2010.07.07 17:27:00 - [178] Edited by: Mazzarins Demise on 07/07/2010 17:28:21 Originally by: Zartrader Edited by: Zartrader on 07/07/2010 17:14:03The need to do this on EVE forums is not there so people should stop panicking. I wouldn't quite consider this thread a "panic" in the strictest sense of the word. I feel that this is a good topic of discussion as one of our MMO cousins is getting a change that has really stirred the hornet's nest. Now, I'll be the first to admit that this doesn't mean CCP, or any other company for that matter, will be following suit down the road or ever, but the fact a company is willing to something so extreme to curb simple forum trolls feels like using a hammer to conduct brain surgery. It's too extreme. The risks far outweigh the rewards, so to speak. In my humble opinion, using the REAL ID goes against everything MMOs and practically the internet stands for, which is the idea and feeling of being safe. MMOs, and all video games for that matter, symbolize the idea of escapism. Roller coasters, arcades, reading a book, watching a movie, are all methods people utilize to escape from the daily drudgery they may or may not encounter. In computing, internet, and gaming, it's the idea of safely walking away, and not worrying about any repercussions for beating another player in a competition, stealing a monster, or having a nice old-fashioned ribbing of another player after the fact. With REAL ID, that freedom is being taken away. Now, whenever you make a post be it trolling, helpful, or otherwise, you have to make a logical decision as to whether or not it's worth the risk of posting the material. "If I make this post, which contains an idea about a rather unpopular change, for instance selling SP, how might I become affected by those who are vehemently against this idea?" This is a question many will have to ask themselves when REAL ID goes live. Sure, it'll cut down on the trolls and nonsensical material pertaining to the topic, but then you also lose out on the positive and helpful posts players may make in the future. Again, I wouldn't necessary call this a panic, but again in my opinion it goes against the ideas and philosophy behind MMOs and forum posting, and that is NEVER worth giving up. TL;DR - REAL ID is BAD MMKAY!? _________________________________________ Support the "Seed Primae on the market and ORE LP Stores" proposal! Click here
Wookie 1 Caldari The Maverick Navy IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.07.07 17:30:00 - [179] Good to see that the hand of Bobby '****er' Kotick is being seen in his crusade to destory his own bloody company and industry.
Shintai Gallente Arx Io Orbital Factories Arx Io	Posted - 2010.07.07 17:33:00 - [180] Alot of trolling and pointless forum posts would be removed with RealID. I support it! -------------------------------------- Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry

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