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Sol Halcon Minmatar Black Aces AAA Citizens	Posted - 2010.07.07 10:33:00 - [1] Edited by: Sol Halcon on 07/07/2010 10:38:20 Edited by: Sol Halcon on 07/07/2010 10:33:47 http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=25626109041 If this has been posted before good. It needs to be posted again, as EVE Pilots and CCP devs need to be aware of this stupid idea. I don't care if it's World of Warcraft; be quiet and read what Blizzard "thinks" is a good idea. Don't let it spread beyond that company...let Real ID be Blizzard's Star Wars: Galaxies NGE/CU For those of you who don't care to read (i can understand; it's pretty sickening). Blizzard basically thinks if you want to post on their forums you should be FORCED to use your real name (first and last). And despite what everyone thinks all (Gaming Company) eyes are on Blizzard to see how this idea turns out. When it comes to REAL ID, Just say NO! With all the identity theft out there this is the dumbest thing I have ever heard anywhere! Oh and BTW Cryptic (STO) is already loosing accounts because they are deleting threads posted on this topic <=========================================> Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Flynn Fetladral BlackSite Prophecy	Posted - 2010.07.07 10:40:00 - [2] Yeah I read this on Massively yesterday and I was like WTF! Real ID is ******ed, and I'd certainly not wish to see it come to EVE Online.
0oO0oOoOo0o	Posted - 2010.07.07 10:40:00 - [3] I think this explains why the forums gets out of hands lately, with all that nonsencial and repetitive rumour posts. The company running this Real ID thing hired people to mess up other MMOS forums, so that the MMO companies buy the Real ID technology in order to overcome this mess and normalize the forums again. Good business move it seems.
Ghoest	Posted - 2010.07.07 10:42:00 - [4] Its my impression from following this a bit that there is now a PPI(private personal information) war being launched at the devs from Blizz. I bet they back down. Wherever you went - Here you are.
Miilla	Posted - 2010.07.07 10:44:00 - [5] Edited by: Miilla on 07/07/2010 11:01:43 "THEY CAME FIRST for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist. THEN THEY CAME for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. THEN THEY CAME for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. THEN THEY CAME for me and by that time no one was left to speak up." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came... May aswell close the forums. That is effectively what the effect will be. I would prefer killing the fourms over Real Id. Side effect of this, reduced staffing, less moderators needed. I am all for reducing the staff at CCP so please, introduce Real ID or kill the forums completely. Easy way to defeat this., make accounts on WoW and start asking for 9 year old boy's real name on the forum :)
Sir Rush Caldari Sirrush Holdings And Industries Inc.	Posted - 2010.07.07 10:45:00 - [6] Edited by: Sir Rush on 07/07/2010 10:45:28 Why EVE players get their panties all up in a bunch over what Blizzard does or doesn't do is beyond me. You know, just because Blizzard does it, doesn't mean everyone'll do it. CCP can make their own decisions. You can start freaking out once CCP announces it'll use the Real ID thing. So, never.
Sol Mahon Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2010.07.07 10:46:00 - [7] A small flaw in Blizzard's idea is that when I setup my account I provided a fake name I am not really John Doe but shhh don't tell them.
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2010.07.07 10:47:00 - [8] Originally by: Sol Mahon A small flaw in Blizzard's idea is that when I setup my account I provided a fake name I am not really John Doe but shhh don't tell them. Problem is, you can't change it. You'd need to set up a new account with the same last name at least to transfer the accounts to the new name. vOv _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 Originally by: CCP Fallout Been there. Done that. Need antibiotics.
0oO0oOoOo0o	Posted - 2010.07.07 10:47:00 - [9] Originally by: Sir Rush Edited by: Sir Rush on 07/07/2010 10:45:28 Why EVE players get their panties all up in a bunch over what Blizzard does or doesn't do is beyond me. You know, just because Blizzard does it, doesn't mean everyone'll do it. CCP can make their own decisions. You can start freaking out once CCP announces it'll use the Real ID thing. So, never. Will be too late than. Think precautionary.
Scott Ryder Amarr art of eve Gunmen of the Apocalypse	Posted - 2010.07.07 10:47:00 - [10] I support that idea.
Michelle Vega	Posted - 2010.07.07 10:48:00 - [11] Edited by: Michelle Vega on 07/07/2010 10:49:44 most people in eve dont have their real name associated with eve online. For example plex players, timecard players etc. People who do have their real name can simply transfer their character to a new account using a payment method which does not require your name. To those too stupid to know how to be anonymous online, this post is not for you.
Steve Celeste Caldari Inglorious-Basterds	Posted - 2010.07.07 10:49:00 - [12] This will finally prove that there are no women playing Eve Online.
RaTTuS BIG Majesta Empire	Posted - 2010.07.07 10:49:00 - [13] Muppet --
Sekretarka	Posted - 2010.07.07 10:49:00 - [14] I wonder how would Role Play part of the forums work with RealID...
Miilla	Posted - 2010.07.07 10:49:00 - [15] Edited by: Miilla on 07/07/2010 10:49:34 Originally by: Scott Ryder I support that idea. Me too! Side effect of this, reduced staffing, less moderators needed. I am all for reducing the staff at CCP so please, introduce Real ID or kill the forums completely.
Qui Shon	Posted - 2010.07.07 10:51:00 - [16] Originally by: Blane Xero Originally by: Sol Mahon A small flaw in Blizzard's idea is that when I setup my account I provided a fake name I am not really John Doe but shhh don't tell them. Problem is, you can't change it. You'd need to set up a new account with the same last name at least to transfer the accounts to the new name. vOv Change? You mean people, and you, use their real names when signing up Why?
Miilla	Posted - 2010.07.07 10:55:00 - [17] Should I do a Godwin? I have alrady done the "first they came..."
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2010.07.07 10:55:00 - [18] Well will finally cut down the trolling and teach people there are consequences to actions. Originally by: Miilla Edited by: Miilla on 07/07/2010 10:48:33 "THEY CAME FIRST for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist. THEN THEY CAME for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. THEN THEY CAME for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. THEN THEY CAME for me and by that time no one was left to speak up." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came... May aswell close the forums. That is effectively what the effect will be. I would prefer killing the fourms over Real Id. Side effect of this, reduced staffing, less moderators needed. I am all for reducing the staff at CCP so please, introduce Real ID or kill the forums completely. Serious? Did you really just do this? This is even for anonymous forums pretty disturbing. You just put genocide and the holocaust on par with using your real name on the internet.
Kyusoath Orillian Haters Gonna Hate	Posted - 2010.07.07 10:55:00 - [19] Originally by: Miilla Edited by: Miilla on 07/07/2010 10:49:34 Originally by: Scott Ryder I support that idea. Me too! Side effect of this, reduced staffing, less moderators needed. I am all for reducing the staff at CCP so please, introduce Real ID or kill the forums completely. how exactly would having my real name on the forums stop me doing anything or reduce staffing ? my real name is ****y mclargeballs .
Gordon Fell	Posted - 2010.07.07 10:57:00 - [20] There isn't much to kill in the first place. I'd say this will create an interesting, constructive environment. And the guy quoting Niemoller; come on, this is a game and some website attached to it. Here, have some perspective.
Abbot Laarkin Order Of Mystical Mountain Monks	Posted - 2010.07.07 11:00:00 - [21] Considering the amount of money currently being spent trying to educate children about the dangers of the internet, the first rule being never to give out personal information, this is the most absurd move by a gaming company I could think of. My friend works for an on-line games company in customer support, in that particular game even asking someone their real name will draw the attention of GM's, repeated offences will get you banned (and depending on circumstances) might get you reported to the authorities. I am surprised that Blizzard would even consider doing this considering the large number of children that play WoW, I truly doubt however that CCP would be stupid enough to follow suit. At least I hope not. Peace. ---- Originally by: Sir Carnage Originally by: Marko Riva Why does that read like they're all 12 and have an IQ of 37? I was under the impression they were 37 and had an IQ of 12
Miilla	Posted - 2010.07.07 11:00:00 - [22] Edited by: Miilla on 07/07/2010 11:03:57 Originally by: Kyusoath Orillian Originally by: Miilla Edited by: Miilla on 07/07/2010 10:49:34 Originally by: Scott Ryder I support that idea. Me too! Side effect of this, reduced staffing, less moderators needed. I am all for reducing the staff at CCP so please, introduce Real ID or kill the forums completely. how exactly would having my real name on the forums stop me doing anything or reduce staffing ? my real name is ****y mclargeballs . Is that the name on your Credit Card too? Lol Some of us PAY and have to use real names. I would certinally traffic on the forums would decrease a LOT thus managing this would be a lower task and thus less people required. I am all for cutting costs :) I can see it now, a long queue filling out forms to change their name to Larry LargeBalls. Eve is designed to be a HARSH world, I have gotten many REAL LIFE threats (petitioned every time) in eve, like I want to have my real name plastered over here? I don't think so. Have you even searched you tube for EVE player rage??? Its crazy! Now you want to publish real personal info? bad idea.
Katarlia Simov Minmatar Cowboys From Hell	Posted - 2010.07.07 11:02:00 - [23] Originally by: RaTTuS Muppet It's not a rumor thread... Its more of a 'Please CCP don't destroy our beautiful game' thread. I think Real ID is bull**** and a stack of pancakes. Eve is a world where we are free to be as mean and friendly as we want, and the forums are an extension of that. Real ID would break that and be a step towards Hello Kitty Island Adventure levels of cotten wool wrapping non-sense. Ok, not quite. But I don't need people from the forums finding me on face book after I violence their boat. Eve is a mean place, and the forums represent that.
Wacktopia Dark Side Of The Womb Focused Intentions	Posted - 2010.07.07 11:02:00 - [24] Someone needs to remind them what the letters 'R' and 'P' stand for in MMORPG...
Ghaylenty	Posted - 2010.07.07 11:06:00 - [25] well this is good news for me then, i won't need to do anything. i actually fly amarr
Malcanis Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.07.07 11:10:00 - [26] Originally by: Wacktopia Someone needs to remind them what the letters 'R' and 'P' stand for in MMORPG... As far as Blizzard are concerned: 'Regular' 'Payment' Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
Demolishar United Aggression Eternal Ascension	Posted - 2010.07.07 11:13:00 - [27] EVE isn't particularly mean for those people who hide behind alts. It's always the cowards who shout the loudest.
Memorya	Posted - 2010.07.07 11:18:00 - [28] Edited by: Memorya on 07/07/2010 11:19:05 Superb! CCP do this here on forums, will be much more nice to read or have a discussion. ------------------------ "English is a funny language; that explains why we park our car on the driveway and drive our car on the parkway." English is my 5th. Language.
RaTTuS BIG Majesta Empire	Posted - 2010.07.07 11:19:00 - [29] Originally by: Katarlia Simov It's not a rumor thread... Its more of a 'Please CCP don't destroy our beautiful game' thread. I think Real ID is bull**** and a stack of pancakes. Eve is a world where we are free to be as mean and friendly as we want, and the forums are an extension of that. Real ID would break that and be a step towards Hello Kitty Island Adventure levels of cotten wool wrapping non-sense. Ok, not quite. But I don't need people from the forums finding me on face book after I violence their boat. Eve is a mean place, and the forums represent that. then it needs to be in OOP as it's nothing to do with current eve or even feature and ideas ... It wont work - there are too many people who play without any way of IDing them, in fact it may be illegal to post that info anyway. - this also would break eve as forum alts would be tied together - thus breaking alt posting. --
omgevenmoarfreemoniez	Posted - 2010.07.07 11:22:00 - [30] AWWWWWW NOOOO IF THEY DO THIS ** I WONT B ABEL 2 POAST LIEK A **** ANY MORE :((((((((((((((((((((((((
Sealiah Minmatar Coffee Lovers Brewing Club Aegis Militia	Posted - 2010.07.07 11:24:00 - [31] I find that perfectly ok if it's just the first and last name... As long as nobody wants my personal ID number or license number... I'm all for it! I don't think it is against my privacy. I think it'll kill all the stupid bumping with 10 of your alts, nonsensical loltalk posts. EVE is a game where your REPUTATION counts, make it impossible to escape from what you've done at some point - corp theft for example. And it would make a GOOD name even easier to remember. I vote YES, implement such a thing to the EVE-o forums!
Chesty McJubblies	Posted - 2010.07.07 11:24:00 - [32] Edited by: Chesty McJubblies on 07/07/2010 11:24:37 Originally by: Sekretarka I wonder how would Role Play part of the forums work with RealID... People can probably still RP the part of an ********, even with this. ( - sphincter)
Musical Fist Gallente NAP Coalition	Posted - 2010.07.07 11:24:00 - [33] I say do this tbh, people who hide behind alts etc fail but then again CCPs security is pretty funny you can actually change your RL details without any GM intervention I say make this a video forum where you can only talk via cam
Mistress Ingrid Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2010.07.07 11:25:00 - [34] Imagine a world where Goons have to post with their real names. Blizzards move is just a high profile case of the move towards reputation based filtering of internet user generated content. This idea has been kicking around for a long time. Berners-Lee even supported the idea of Internet licensing way back in the day. Digg and Reddit have shown the idea is one that can work. By linking content to a static ID, it allows for irrelevant content (trolls) to be filtered by users or moderators. I hope Blizzards move is a step towards enabling age verification services too. I don't want to play with children anymore.
Wacktopia Dark Side Of The Womb Focused Intentions	Posted - 2010.07.07 11:26:00 - [35] Edited by: Wacktopia on 07/07/2010 11:28:23 Nobody needs to panic about this. EULA.8.B clearly states: Originally by: CCP EULA CCP's aim is to keep your personal information confidential The exceptions listed are if a third party were to "unlawfully intercept transmissions" or if the third party were "private entities, law enforcement or other government officials".
Miilla	Posted - 2010.07.07 11:26:00 - [36] Edited by: Miilla on 07/07/2010 11:32:35 So how do they manage PARENTAL CONSENT? Eve has parental consent forms as I am sure Blizzard has. So, now they are esposing those "children" who play the game to predators. we know that never happens. The only way to beat this is to play the evil card. Turn these features as a weapon against them :) Newsflash: Sexual predators grooming children now aided by company publishing real account personal information (names for now, when do they add Countries to help locating you easier? What about age too?) I have reported many petitions for "sexual harassment" and "real life threats" In eve. I am not kidding. Can you imagine if CCP give them more information? That takes it to a new level, now its really PERSONAL! Every bit of information I get about somebody makes my job of making their lives harder, easier :) And supprisingly it does not take much to get a lot more information, snowball effect. A tiny bit of info here, leads to more and more and more. Eventually I build up a big picture of who you are.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.07.07 11:28:00 - [37] Anonymity is waaaaaaaaaay overrated for things that don't pertain to real-life politics, and even there, only as far as voting goes. Besides, it would be freaking HILARIOUS to see alts linked with mains and also real-life names over here in EVE. Too bad it will never happen.
Malcanis Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.07.07 11:31:00 - [38] Originally by: Mistress Ingrid Imagine a world where Goons have to post with their real names. Imagine a world where goons have access to your real name.
Miztli Tonahuac Microcredits	Posted - 2010.07.07 11:33:00 - [39] Originally by: omgevenmoarfreemoniez AWWWWWW NOOOO IF THEY DO THIS ** I WONT B ABEL 2 POAST LIEK A **** ANY MORE :(((((((((((((((((((((((( roflcopter
omgevenmoarfreemoniez	Posted - 2010.07.07 11:38:00 - [40] I wonder if the changes would be retroactive, if implemented. Then I'd REALLY have to worry.
Miilla	Posted - 2010.07.07 11:38:00 - [41] Edited by: Miilla on 07/07/2010 11:39:11 What happens to the posts you made years ago? They all get changed to show your real name, regardless of whether you want to post in future under it or not. Would be fun if they psoted moderator's REAL NAMES too :) Wait, they wont do that. you are all forgetting MINORS (not miners) play games too, with parental consent.
Malcanis Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.07.07 11:38:00 - [42] Originally by: Akita T Anonymity is waaaaaaaaaay overrated for things that don't pertain to real-life politics, and even there, only as far as voting goes. Besides, it would be freaking HILARIOUS to see alts linked with mains and also real-life names over here in EVE. Too bad it will never happen. Which consequence is more likely? (1) The obsessives, professional *****s, L33t kiddies and creeps are intimidated from posting (2) Everyone else just walks away from: Sexual harrassment Racial/nationalistic/religion prejudice Account Security issues (lol CCP GMs, amirite?) Online Harassment (got facebook?) Once you have someone's name, it's not so hard to get a lot more information about them. So tell me "Akita T", when you're getting phone calls 24 hours a day, when your boss is getting emails from strangers about you, when random fast food orders, magazine subscriptions, credit card applications get made in your name, because you **ed off someone who mplays an online game... will you still think it's "freaking HILARIOUS"? If so, post your real name right here and right now. Put your money where your mouth is.
Creepy Goat Schindlers Ignore List	Posted - 2010.07.07 11:40:00 - [43] Edited by: Creepy Goat on 07/07/2010 11:42:10 It's surprisingly easy to track someone down starting with just their name. It's less likely to stop trolls and more likely to cause RL griefing fo popping some dudes thorax. Also I like the now-approaching-1000-pages-and-~19000-replies-threadnaught on the insertblasphemyhere forums. This is one of the stupidest ideas any gaming company has had, it's up there with skill buying. e: Originally by: Miilla Edited by: Miilla on 07/07/2010 11:39:11 Would be fun if they psoted moderator's REAL NAMES too :) Wait, they wont do that. They did and the dev/mod who posted his name had to delete his facebook and cut off his phone after being bombarded by angry forum goers. See where this is heading?
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2010.07.07 11:42:00 - [44] Edited by: Furb Killer on 07/07/2010 11:45:34 Quote: it's up there with skill buying. So not worse than eve character bazaar? Hiding everything that might be a problem for some random moron (gender, race, etc) is not a better solution that removing the anonimity which will make sure people behave better. What is stupid is that some people apparently think that knowing the real name of someone else is the end of the world as we know it. I also go to my job without a fake id. I am not known under an alias at the local sport club. There I also manage to deal with people knowing my name, and alot more. Why not on the intertubes? Quote: They did and the dev/mod who posted his name had to delete his facebook and cut off his phone after being bombarded by angry forum goers. See where this is heading? And see where it would go to when all those idiots would also be known under their real name? That is indeed the perfect example of why it SHOULD be done. Too many people apparently cant handle the responsibility of being anonymous.
Lost Hamster Hamster Holding Corp	Posted - 2010.07.07 11:43:00 - [45] Who cares about Blizzard ? It's not about EVE, CCP will not do this. So please close topic.
omgevenmoarfreemoniez	Posted - 2010.07.07 11:44:00 - [46] Originally by: Creepy Goat It's surprisingly easy to track someone down starting with just their name. It's less likely to stop trolls and more likely to cause RL griefing fo popping some dudes thorax. So?
Aiwha Caldari 101st Space Marine Force Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2010.07.07 11:46:00 - [47] Implementing something similar would kill the lulz to be had on coad and such. I cannot heal stupid.
Creepy Goat Schindlers Ignore List	Posted - 2010.07.07 11:47:00 - [48] Originally by: Furb Killer Quote: it's up there with skill buying. So not worse than eve character bazaar? Hiding everything that might be a problem for some random moron (gender, race, etc) is not a better solution that removing the anonimity which will make sure people behave better. Character bazaar works well for EvE, it is not a credit card based series of micro-transactions. Yes you can buy PLEX, however the cost of characters on the bazaar when bought with PLEX is pretty damn high, making it very difficult for people to 'just buy SPs'. Removing anonymity will not make people behave better, it will stop them from posting at all. YOu get all manner of crazy ******s on the internet, highlighted frequenly in EvE by all the psoted hate mail and chat logs. Trolls would still troll, but nutty sociopaths would now have an oppurtunity to actually do RL harm just like they always 'threaten' they will. Hell, there are people that would go to great lengths to track you down simply because you have a different opinion on game mechanics or some crap. Signature not appropriate - Adida
Meissa Anunthiel	Posted - 2010.07.07 11:49:00 - [49] In a game such as Eve where meta-gaming is prevalent, this would never work... Also one can only begin to imagine what people would do when they realize the people who scammed them for a few billions lives 3 miles away... And people don't necessarily want their in-game behaviour associated with them.
Victor Valka Caldari Endoxa Corporation	Posted - 2010.07.07 11:53:00 - [50] Originally by: Akita T Anonymity is waaaaaaaaaay overrated for things that don't pertain to real-life politics, and even there, only as far as voting goes. Besides, it would be freaking HILARIOUS to see alts linked with mains and also real-life names over here in EVE. Too bad it will never happen. I prefer that people only know about me what I tell them. They have no business knowing something I myself haven't decided they should. Call me a loony recluse, but I do love my privacy. Originally by: Spaztick You are not outnumbered, you are in a target-rich environment.
Alpay	Posted - 2010.07.07 11:54:00 - [51] You could argue it's taking it a bit too far, however they are at least trying to make the forums better it seems. Would be nice to see some threads that wasn't about trolling X,internal joke with Y or spam....and I'm not talking about the WoW forums.
Creepy Goat Schindlers Ignore List	Posted - 2010.07.07 11:55:00 - [52] Edited by: Creepy Goat on 07/07/2010 11:56:02 Originally by: Furb Killer Edited by: Furb Killer on 07/07/2010 11:45:34 What is stupid is that some people apparently think that knowing the real name of someone else is the end of the world as we know it. I also go to my job without a fake id. I am not known under an alias at the local sport club. There I also manage to deal with people knowing my name, and alot more. Why not on the intertubes? The internet has a much larger number of people than your job. There is also a much wider variety of people, look at 4chan for example. They manage to ruin peoples lives for saying something they dont like just by finding their name on a blog or youtube account. Not to mention the fact that when looking for jobs etc, most employers google your name. As soon as it pops up in some WoW RolePlaying board, you're going to look like a right *got, and likely not ge an interview. Quote: They did and the dev/mod who posted his name had to delete his facebook and cut off his phone after being bombarded by angry forum goers. See where this is heading? Quote:** And see where it would go to when all those idiots would also be known under their real name? That is indeed the perfect example of why it SHOULD be done. Too many people apparently cant handle the responsibility of being anonymous. How is that? If they had their real name on the forum, I doubt they would post. They would still abuse others via this method however. Also, I don't see how phoning abuse to someone can be directly linked to your WoW posting account? When you call on a private number it doesn't say 'John Smith calling (aka Mystic ElfWarrior)' over the speaker. Signature not appropriate - Adida
TheBlueMonkey Gallente Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2010.07.07 11:56:00 - [53] What to stop people creating multiple free email accounts and just having multiple real ID's under different names? Anyhow, it's not something I see them doing in eve as, well, it's eve and meta gaming it huge. It'd screw spys etc wouldn't it? -- Nothing is worthless, you may have gotten it for free but it still has an inherent value
Wacktopia Dark Side Of The Womb Focused Intentions	Posted - 2010.07.07 11:58:00 - [54] Edited by: Wacktopia on 07/07/2010 11:59:13 I should probably also point out that RealID forces the player to display their real name but not their character name - linking the two is optional. This makes linking a player in game to a real life name/identity more difficult. Not saying I agree with it, before anyone jumps in, but just wanted to state the fact.
Dan O'Connor Cerberus Network Dignitas.	Posted - 2010.07.07 11:58:00 - [55] Edited by: Dan O''Connor on 07/07/2010 11:58:53 Originally by: Sealiah I find that perfectly ok if it's just the first and last name... As long as nobody wants my personal ID number or license number... I'm all for it! I don't think it is against my privacy. I think it'll kill all the stupid bumping with 10 of your alts, nonsensical loltalk posts. So you are perfectly okay with the fact that if CCP were to implement this, potentially ~300,000 people could find your address, phone number, and other information that you might possibly not want others to know? Or in the case of JUST World Of Warcraft, ~11,000,000 people? If so... enjoy strangers and odd phone calls. Or people who drop by. They can close the forums after their next expansion because no one will say anything. It's the end of the World.......... of Warcraft Item DB \| Sigs
Malcanis Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.07.07 12:16:00 - [56] Originally by: Furb Killer Edited by: Furb Killer on 07/07/2010 11:45:34 Quote: it's up there with skill buying. So not worse than eve character bazaar? Hiding everything that might be a problem for some random moron (gender, race, etc) is not a better solution that removing the anonimity which will make sure people behave better. What is stupid is that some people apparently think that knowing the real name of someone else is the end of the world as we know it. I also go to my job without a fake id. I am not known under an alias at the local sport club. There I also manage to deal with people knowing my name, and alot more. Why not on the intertubes? Quote: They did and the dev/mod who posted his name had to delete his facebook and cut off his phone after being bombarded by angry forum goers. See where this is heading? And see where it would go to when all those idiots would also be known under their real name? That is indeed the perfect example of why it SHOULD be done. Too many people apparently cant handle the responsibility of being anonymous. What's your name? Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.07.07 12:18:00 - [57] Using RL names is not a good idea. However, the idea of removing anonymity is a good thing as it would reduce a lot of the trolling that goes on. To this end, I suggest that rather than linking all characters to a RL name, they should just link all characters together - so it's possible to see which alt belongs to who. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.07.07 12:19:00 - [58] Edited by: Akita T on 07/07/2010 12:24:27 Originally by: Victor Valka I prefer that people only know about me what I tell them. They have no business knowing something I myself haven't decided they should. Call me a loony recluse, but I do love my privacy. There's also always the option of, you know, NOT POSTING anything at all BTW, I'm somewhat of a recluse myself (at least lately), but I still hate COMPLETE ANONYMITY. There's a huge spectrum between (some) privacy and absolute anonymity. A real name falls quite a bit closer to the anonymity end than the full disclosure end. Originally by: Malcanis So tell me "Akita T", when you're getting phone calls 24 hours a day, when your boss is getting emails from strangers about you, when random fast food orders, magazine subscriptions, credit card applications get made in your name, because you ****ed off someone who mplays an online game... will you still think it's "freaking HILARIOUS"? If so, post your real name right here and right now. Put your money where your mouth is. I WOULD post my real name in here too, if it wouldn't be against the EULA/TOS as they stand right now, and they'd most likely be removed by a mod soon, with a warning given to me for posting private information in the forums. In other games where it was permitted (I wasn't less vocal about my opinions there either, although none had such a wide public as EVE) I had absolutely no reservation about giving out not just my contact info and real name but also my phone number. I can count on my hands the number of unsolicited calls I've got, and none were prank calls nor calls I've hung up on before finishing the conversation. My corpmates aren't at all scrutinized on joining (we actually have a mostly open recruitment policy), yet some contact info for me is posted right there on the corp bulletin board, contact info which COULD allow you to find who I am, where I live, what my phone number is and even find my full CV eventually if you keep at it. Besides, I don't really have a boss right now, and you wouldn't find the contact info of my clients anwyay (or if you did, you would most likely just be ignored altogether), I have a long-standing habit of turning down the volume on my phone before going to sleep and screening most of my calls anyway (so not even constant phonecalls would annoy me), you have to SERIOUSLY BOTHER to get a credit card in this country, nobody ever sends pre-approved ones, you have to go into a bank with mountains of paperwork to even have a chance to get one, I never order any food BECAUSE NOBODY DELIVERS in this city, you have to actually go there, I have a large mailbox which is also very close to the trashcan so I can just throw unwanted magazines inside (but then again, no magazine can be completely unwanted)... ...so no, I don't have a problem with giving out just about any kind of personal info. And I gladly do it here too if it would be allowed, but it's not. However, members of the CSM have had their real names divulged already, which is slightly weird all things considered. ___ P.S. Of course, you can always get the least bad of two worlds. You can have the FORUM account linked with your real name, and disconnect the in-game characters from the forum profile. _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Ghoest	Posted - 2010.07.07 12:23:00 - [59] The changes would stop some of the more rude trolls - definitely. They would also lead to more women being harassed in game. More RL threats and personal information attacks online. I think trolls are the better of 2 evils. Wherever you went - Here you are.
Ava Starfire Minmatar Nordanverdr Modr	Posted - 2010.07.07 12:24:00 - [60] Anyone who thinks this is actually an OK idea, go ahead and post your real name. Go ahead, its not like its your driver's license number and SSN, right? Right?!!? I dont see CCP ever being this ****ed, but sadly I can see American companies not only doing it (apparently WoW is) but law actually requiring it. The ability to remain anonymous has basically been erased with the internet, and I could see some idiot, somewhere, trying to spin video game forums as "a threat to homeland security". Actually, it wouldnt surprise me for American businesses to push for something like this... Overweight Manager; "Bob, you were late yesterday" Bob; "Sorry about that sir, I overslept." Overweight Manager: "oh, Indeed. I googled you, turns out you play <enter name of random MMO>. We dont think you have the level of responsibility our company requires. What would our customers think if they knew!" Yes, this country is that **ed up. Space is fun!
Jagga Spikes Minmatar Spikes Chop Shop	Posted - 2010.07.07 12:25:00 - [61] considering anything can be entered in "first" and "last" name fields, i don't see how revealing it would reduce negative side of forum life. ________________________________ : Forum Bore 'Em : Foamy The Squirrel - [jedi handwave] "There is no spoon."
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.07.07 12:26:00 - [62] Edited by: Akita T on 07/07/2010 12:29:35 Originally by: Ava Starfire Anyone who thinks this is actually an OK idea, go ahead and post your real name. You're not allowed to do that in the EVE forums as per current still-standing rules, even if you wanted to ...also... These guys have their real names already made public. They're also high-profile EVE players who more than likely did step on quite a few toes so far. How about we ask THEM how much harassment were they subjected to in real-life already. _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Dan O'Connor Cerberus Network Dignitas.	Posted - 2010.07.07 12:26:00 - [63] Originally by: Jagga Spikes considering anything can be entered in "first" and "last" name fields, i don't see how revealing it would reduce negative side of forum life. Maybe you don't have a choice of that either... maybe they are using the credit card info Item DB \| Sigs
Creepy Goat Schindlers Ignore List	Posted - 2010.07.07 12:29:00 - [64] Edited by: Creepy Goat on 07/07/2010 12:29:46 Originally by: Dan O'Connor Originally by: Jagga Spikes considering anything can be entered in "first" and "last" name fields, i don't see how revealing it would reduce negative side of forum life. Maybe you don't have a choice of that either... maybe they are using the credit card info Confirmed. They take your billing/account name used when you first created your account as your name. That name is unchangable and if you used a fake name, you cannot get any support if you forget your password or get hacked. Signature not appropriate - Adida
Ava Starfire Minmatar Nordanverdr Modr	Posted - 2010.07.07 12:32:00 - [65] Edited by: Ava Starfire on 07/07/2010 12:33:57 Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Ava Starfire Anyone who thinks this is actually an OK idea, go ahead and post your real name. You're not allowed to do that in the EVE forums as per current still-standing rules, even if you wanted to Of all people, Akita, I would have expected you to detect the sarcasm. The reasons you outline (phone calls, junk mail) are not the worst possible ones. We do sadly live in a world of sick idiots, and people will go to extreme lengths for revenge, for the smallest perceived wrongs. Identity theft, IRL harassment (a friend of mine indeed actually lost her job, due to the actions of other players in SWG) et cetera. I would love some accountability on the forums to cut down on the shiptoasting, but I think the cure is a lot worse than the disease in this case. I have received RL threats in this game. I really dont want the possibility that it could escalate beyond eve mail and crying in local. Besides, thanfully, I do not see CCP implementing something like this. Space is fun!
Jagga Spikes Minmatar Spikes Chop Shop	Posted - 2010.07.07 12:33:00 - [66] Originally by: Dan O'Connor Originally by: Jagga Spikes considering anything can be entered in "first" and "last" name fields, i don't see how revealing it would reduce negative side of forum life. Maybe you don't have a choice of that either... maybe they are using the credit card info not everyone that plays has a credit card. people find a way, without even going to shady side. name of one that pays doesn't have to be name of one that plays. ________________________________ : Forum Bore 'Em : Foamy The Squirrel - [jedi handwave] "There is no spoon."
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.07.07 12:35:00 - [67] Edited by: Akita T on 07/07/2010 12:36:05 Originally by: Ava Starfire Of all people, Akita, I would have expected you to detect the sarcasm. Sarcasm doesn't convey well in writing alone. See my significantly longer answer on the previous page to a similar request for a good reason why I didn't think it was a sarcastic post. Also, at least some of your other objections were touched on in the P.S. of that longer post. Either way, CCP//EVE would never have that (other than the weird exception for CSM members), so it's a moot point. _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Demolishar United Aggression Eternal Ascension	Posted - 2010.07.07 12:36:00 - [68] Originally by: Rodj Blake To this end, I suggest that rather than linking all characters to a RL name, they should just link all characters together - so it's possible to see which alt belongs to who. How?
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.07.07 12:39:00 - [69] Originally by: Rodj Blake To this end, I suggest that rather than linking all characters to a RL name, they should just link all characters together - so it's possible to see which alt belongs to who. What Demolishar wanted to say is that it's virtually next to impossible thanks to the wonders of multiple payment methods, some of which are as good as anonymous themselves. _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Malcanis Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.07.07 12:42:00 - [70] Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 07/07/2010 12:29:35 Originally by: Ava Starfire Anyone who thinks this is actually an OK idea, go ahead and post your real name. You're not allowed to do that in the EVE forums as per current still-standing rules, even if you wanted to ...also... These guys have their real names already made public. They're also high-profile EVE players who more than likely did step on quite a few toes so far. How about we ask THEM how much harassment were they subjected to in real-life already. How about we ask the Blizzard Community Moderator how much harassment he's getting after revealing his name? Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
Demolishar United Aggression Eternal Ascension	Posted - 2010.07.07 12:43:00 - [71] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Rodj Blake To this end, I suggest that rather than linking all characters to a RL name, they should just link all characters together - so it's possible to see which alt belongs to who. What Demolishar wanted to say is that it's virtually next to impossible thanks to the wonders of multiple payment methods, some of which are as good as anonymous themselves. Especially the 50-day free accounts you can get every month per character you own.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.07.07 12:51:00 - [72] Originally by: Malcanis How about we ask the Blizzard Community Moderator how much harassment he's getting after revealing his name? How about we ask any journalist how much harassment they're getting after publishing an article, or any person in real-life after saying something ? And how's that so radically different from some guy posting ? People take far, far more liberties than they would in real-life when they think they're protected by the cloak of anonymity (or in other words, a lot feel free to be total jerkwads because there's no drawback), and maybe, just maybe, that's not something you really want to have on a forum. Then again, for at least the 3rd time, it's a completely moot discussion anyway, because CCP would never do that. Ferchrissakes, they forbid us to willingly disclose our own personal info, whatever possessed the OP to think CCP would ever consider doing anything like this "RealID" thing Blizzard is considering doing is beyond me. _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Suitonia Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.07.07 12:57:00 - [73] Real Life details and home addresses on killmails would be better. ---
Mashie Saldana Red Federation	Posted - 2010.07.07 13:01:00 - [74] If you really have to hide your real name in EVE as a long time card payment customer it can be done. Just create a new account using paypal or similar with fake name, then just transfer your trolling chars across. Sure, not free, but can be done if needed.
BoBoZoBo Foundation	Posted - 2010.07.07 13:18:00 - [75] Agreed - RealID is problably the only thing that would make me quit EVE without hesitation. ========================= Minister of Propaganda - Operator 9
Celestine Santora	Posted - 2010.07.07 13:21:00 - [76] From what I've seen so far, Real ID seems like an absolutely fantastic idea and CCP should adopt it as soon as possible.
Jagga Spikes Minmatar Spikes Chop Shop	Posted - 2010.07.07 13:26:00 - [77] Originally by: Celestine Santora From what I've seen so far, Real ID seems like an absolutely fantastic idea and CCP should adopt it as soon as possible. so you can wonder why someone would be named "First Name Last Name"? :) ________________________________ : Forum Bore 'Em : Foamy The Squirrel - [jedi handwave] "There is no spoon."
Miilla	Posted - 2010.07.07 13:28:00 - [78] Edited by: Miilla on 07/07/2010 13:36:09 Security Flaw in Real Id? never So far I have probably opened 30 Sexual harassment petitions and 12 real life physical threat petitions. How will CCP protect me when they have my Real Name, and thus able to mine for more information. If CCP implement this, I want all my post history DELETED and I will never post again in the forums :) I imagine I wouldnt be alone in that. Can you imagine all the children that play EVE and WoW etc that need parental consent forms signed out, how would you react if your child's name was published and then was getting "predatory" attention by perverts. They do exist you know. Given the fact I have had to report some perverts in EVE myself along with violent threateners, put your child in that positon. I would imagine most parents wouldnt like it. And yes, children play Eve. Safer solution, remove the forum completely. Use the ingame petition system as it is or improve it. Put the moderators out of a job, thats what I say because I dont want THIS to happen.
Malcanis Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.07.07 13:29:00 - [79] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Malcanis How about we ask the Blizzard Community Moderator how much harassment he's getting after revealing his name? How about we ask any journalist how much harassment they're getting after publishing an article, or any person in real-life after saying something ? You might want to pick a different example... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veronica_Guerin Meanwhile: http://rt.com/Top_News/2008-01-17/Online_game_rivalry_ends_with_real_life_murder.html http://www.brighthub.com/video-games/mmo/articles/28809.aspx http://speakingkorea.com/2010/03/16/online-game-obsession-in-korea-brings-deaths-and-murder/ Yeah, no. Given the strong feelings this game generates, I'd prefer real names be kept out of it. Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.07.07 13:30:00 - [80] I wasn't going to say this but seeing as it will be ruined if RealID is implemented I can just as well say it now. Hi, I'm Chuck Norris. /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Dan O'Connor Cerberus Network Dignitas.	Posted - 2010.07.07 13:33:00 - [81] Originally by: Chribba I wasn't going to say this but seeing as it will be ruined if RealID is implemented I can just as well say it now. Hi, I'm Chuck Norris. /c If you have 1 million Veld, and Chuck Norris has 1 million Veld, then Chuck Norris has more Veld than you. Item DB \| Sigs
Lt Angus Caldari the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2010.07.07 13:36:00 - [82] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Malcanis How about we ask the Blizzard Community Moderator how much harassment he's getting after revealing his name? How about we ask any journalist how much harassment they're getting after publishing an article, or any person in real-life after saying something ? And how's that so radically different from some guy posting ? People take far, far more liberties than they would in real-life when they think they're protected by the cloak of anonymity (or in other words, a lot feel free to be total jerkwads because there's no drawback), and maybe, just maybe, that's not something you really want to have on a forum. Then again, for at least the 3rd time, it's a completely moot discussion anyway, because CCP would never do that. Ferchrissakes, they forbid us to willingly disclose our own personal info, whatever possessed the OP to think CCP would ever consider doing anything like this "RealID" thing Blizzard is considering doing is beyond me. When I used to host the corp website id get real life threats, blowing up carebears life savings is risky business please resize your signature to the maximum allowed file size of 24000 bytes. Navigator Shhhh, Im hunting Badgers
Pewchew Amarr	Posted - 2010.07.07 13:37:00 - [83] Edited by: Pewchew on 07/07/2010 13:40:22 Possibly the worst idea in the history of MMOs. Blizzard are an absolute disgrace for putting something like that through. Real-life and the internet should never mix. I'm very surprised it's even legal. They have had staff members and forum mods announce they are leaving over this to. Also look at their stocks since they made the announcement :P
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.07.07 13:43:00 - [84] Originally by: Chribba I wasn't going to say this but seeing as it will be ruined if RealID is implemented I can just as well say it now. Hi, I'm Chuck Norris. /c And I'm Samuel L Jackson. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Celestine Santora	Posted - 2010.07.07 13:45:00 - [85] Originally by: Lt Angus Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Malcanis How about we ask the Blizzard Community Moderator how much harassment he's getting after revealing his name? How about we ask any journalist how much harassment they're getting after publishing an article, or any person in real-life after saying something ? And how's that so radically different from some guy posting ? People take far, far more liberties than they would in real-life when they think they're protected by the cloak of anonymity (or in other words, a lot feel free to be total jerkwads because there's no drawback), and maybe, just maybe, that's not something you really want to have on a forum. Then again, for at least the 3rd time, it's a completely moot discussion anyway, because CCP would never do that. Ferchrissakes, they forbid us to willingly disclose our own personal info, whatever possessed the OP to think CCP would ever consider doing anything like this "RealID" thing Blizzard is considering doing is beyond me. When I used to host the corp website id get real life threats, blowing up carebears life savings is risky business You really think carebears too scared to have their imaginary space ships blown up would make death threats if their own names were explosed? Long story short, I'm glad Blizzard is leading the way on this. The whole idea of "internet handles" is antiquated and it's about time we get rid of them. We all have names, no reason not to use them.
Abbot Laarkin Order Of Mystical Mountain Monks	Posted - 2010.07.07 13:46:00 - [86] Originally by: Akita T Snip.. ...so no, I don't have a problem with giving out just about any kind of personal info. And I gladly do it here too if it would be allowed, but it's not. Out of curiosity, and making no assumptions about your family status... How would you feel about the personal info, even if it is "just" the name of your 14 year old daughter becoming public knowledge on a world-spanning game forum? I have three children, they are now old enough to make their own decisions about this. However at the age at which they were actively playing WoW I spent considerable time discussing the various dangers of the internet, and making sure they understood how to keep themselves "safe" regardless of what they were doing on-line. One thing I made very clear was they should never give out any personal information to anyone, unless they knew that person already in RL. Even then they should be careful about what information they give out. You may consider me to be a little over-paranoid, but nothing in life is more important to me than my children. There are many risks which are unavoidable to children, this is a part of growing up, but limiting those risks which you do have some control over is not a joking matter. No game company has the right to make that decision for me, or for my children. I honestly hope that Blizzard get very badly burnt over this. To the extent that no other game company even considers it. Peace. ---- Originally by: Sir Carnage Originally by: Marko Riva Why does that read like they're all 12 and have an IQ of 37? I was under the impression they were 37 and had an IQ of 12
Lt Angus Caldari the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2010.07.07 13:47:00 - [87] Originally by: Celestine Santora Originally by: Lt Angus Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Malcanis How about we ask the Blizzard Community Moderator how much harassment he's getting after revealing his name? How about we ask any journalist how much harassment they're getting after publishing an article, or any person in real-life after saying something ? And how's that so radically different from some guy posting ? People take far, far more liberties than they would in real-life when they think they're protected by the cloak of anonymity (or in other words, a lot feel free to be total jerkwads because there's no drawback), and maybe, just maybe, that's not something you really want to have on a forum. Then again, for at least the 3rd time, it's a completely moot discussion anyway, because CCP would never do that. Ferchrissakes, they forbid us to willingly disclose our own personal info, whatever possessed the OP to think CCP would ever consider doing anything like this "RealID" thing Blizzard is considering doing is beyond me. When I used to host the corp website id get real life threats, blowing up carebears life savings is risky business You really think carebears too scared to have their imaginary space ships blown up would make death threats if their own names were explosed? Long story short, I'm glad Blizzard is leading the way on this. The whole idea of "internet handles" is antiquated and it's about time we get rid of them. We all have names, no reason not to use them. I know his real name from the threats lol please resize your signature to the maximum allowed file size of 24000 bytes. Navigator Shhhh, Im hunting Badgers
Pewchew Amarr	Posted - 2010.07.07 13:49:00 - [88] Edited by: Pewchew on 07/07/2010 13:49:16 They kinda have already been burned by this. Well one of their GMs supporting it anyway: http://wowriot.gameriot.com/blogs/Americans-are-bad-at-games/Real-Names-on-the-Official-Forums-New-REAL-ID-function Basically the guy had to delete his facebook and disconnect his phone line after posting his real name on the forum.
Miilla	Posted - 2010.07.07 13:50:00 - [89] Edited by: Miilla on 07/07/2010 13:51:34 Originally by: Pewchew Edited by: Pewchew on 07/07/2010 13:49:16 They kinda have already been burned by this. Well one of their GMs supporting it anyway: http://wowriot.gameriot.com/blogs/Americans-are-bad-at-games/Real-Names-on-the-Official-Forums-New-REAL-ID-function Basically the guy had to delete his facebook and disconnect his phone line after posting his real name on the forum. Who cares if its even the right details, lets screw him over anyway :) That is also another scenario that will happen, mistaken identity, never happened to pedos in real life either, peopel get beaten up because they have the same name or live in the same address. I for one cannot wait until the first REAL LIFE DEATH resulting from this. That's what it will take to make them remove it.
Demolishar United Aggression Eternal Ascension	Posted - 2010.07.07 13:54:00 - [90] Originally by: Miilla I for one cannot wait until the first REAL LIFE DEATH resulting from this. That's a bit bloodthirsty.
Miilla	Posted - 2010.07.07 13:56:00 - [91] Edited by: Miilla on 07/07/2010 13:56:53 Originally by: Demolishar Originally by: Miilla I for one cannot wait until the first REAL LIFE DEATH resulting from this. That's a bit bloodthirsty. That is reality, that will happen in time and unfortunatley that is what it will take for them to remove it. What about when you start getting phone calls from a sexual predator after your kid who he now knows his real name and thus able to track him down, even his school? Maybe these kind of people don't exist right? When do you say stop? When it is too late?
Pewchew Amarr	Posted - 2010.07.07 13:57:00 - [92] Edited by: Pewchew on 07/07/2010 13:59:16 Originally by: Miilla Edited by: Miilla on 07/07/2010 13:51:34 Originally by: Pewchew Edited by: Pewchew on 07/07/2010 13:49:16 They kinda have already been burned by this. Well one of their GMs supporting it anyway: http://wowriot.gameriot.com/blogs/Americans-are-bad-at-games/Real-Names-on-the-Official-Forums-New-REAL-ID-function Basically the guy had to delete his facebook and disconnect his phone line after posting his real name on the forum. Who cares if its even the right details, lets screw him over anyway :) That is also another scenario that will happen, mistaken identity, never happened to pedos in real life either, peopel get beaten up because they have the same name or live in the same address. I for one cannot wait until the first REAL LIFE DEATH resulting from this. That's what it will take to make them remove it. If someone is killed over it they will have bigger worries than fixing their system. Someone will probably go to prison over it :P If they are found liable no amount of T&Cs will protect them, especially in Europe.
Dan O'Connor Cerberus Network Dignitas.	Posted - 2010.07.07 13:58:00 - [93] Originally by: Demolishar Originally by: Miilla I for one cannot wait until the first REAL LIFE DEATH resulting from this. That's a bit bloodthirsty. If someone's really gonna die because of this, then Blizzard might as well close all WoW realms this very moment. Item DB \| Sigs
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2010.07.07 13:58:00 - [94] Originally by: Miilla Edited by: Miilla on 07/07/2010 13:56:53 Originally by: Demolishar Originally by: Miilla I for one cannot wait until the first REAL LIFE DEATH resulting from this. That's a bit bloodthirsty. That is reality, that will happen in time and unfortunatley that is what it will take for them to remove it. What about when you start getting phone calls from a sexual predator after your kid who he now knows his real name and thus able to track him down, even his school? Maybe these kind of people don't exist right? When do you say stop? When it is too late? Are you just trying to make arguments that have more holes in them than a good cheese or doing it by accident? These sexual predators that are hunting children indeed could go to WoW forums, finding out a nice kid, using his name to try to track him down and then go to his school and kidnap him. Or the alternative, they just go to random school and kidnap someone. Why would they possibly go for your option?
Miilla	Posted - 2010.07.07 14:01:00 - [95] Edited by: Miilla on 07/07/2010 14:04:55 Security Flaw in Real Id? never So far I have probably opened 30 Sexual harassment petitions and 12 real life physical threat petitions. Had numerious people week or more than a week banned due to it. Had threats with being physically cut with a knife, ear to ear and more. Had perverted teens want me to have sex with their pet animals. Not fun. Seriously they're fracking TWISTED PEOPLE. How will CCP protect me when they have my Real Name, and thus able to mine for more information. If CCP implement this, I want all my post history DELETED and I will never post again in the forums :) I imagine I wouldnt be alone in that. Safer solution, remove the forum completely because I dont want THIS to happen or THIS RAGE MORE MORE RAGE! MORE RAGE WoW Rage I had an even better one with an Aussie in it, but lost the link :( but you get the picture, these are tame from what I have encountered in Eve. Those rages above are pure quality up standing people of society, and paying customers. Is that the kind of people you want to know your real name and more? I pay to play Eve, not be a freak magnet.
Abbot Laarkin Order Of Mystical Mountain Monks	Posted - 2010.07.07 14:08:00 - [96] Originally by: Miilla Edited by: Miilla on 07/07/2010 13:56:53 Originally by: Demolishar Originally by: Miilla I for one cannot wait until the first REAL LIFE DEATH resulting from this. That's a bit bloodthirsty. That is reality, that will happen in time and unfortunatley that is what it will take for them to remove it. What about when you start getting phone calls from a sexual predator after your kid who he now knows his real name and thus able to track him down, even his school? Maybe these kind of people don't exist right? When do you say stop? When it is too late? Exactly. Possessing someone's name gives those with malicious/ perverted intent a huge advantage in manipulating younger people into divulging further information. This is the main reason that certain MMO's make it a ban-able offence to ask someone their real name in-game or on forums. Some games have specific "teams" of GM's who's sole responsibility is to investigate potential "grooming" behaviour, and to liaise with the authorities in various countries if/ when certain "thresholds" of suspicious behaviour are reached. This is a serious issue, and one that any responsible game company should go to great lengths to combat. Which is why I find Blizzards decision to implement this as extremely irresponsible at best. Waiting for the inevitable (yes I do think this will happen) situation where a sexual predator uses this to succeed in entrapping a child before doing something about it is, to my mind, criminally negligent. Peace. ---- Originally by: Sir Carnage Originally by: Marko Riva Why does that read like they're all 12 and have an IQ of 37? I was under the impression they were 37 and had an IQ of 12
Miilla	Posted - 2010.07.07 14:11:00 - [97] Another problem is cyberbullying yes its very real. Star wars kid bullied Plenty of cyber bullying too
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2010.07.07 14:12:00 - [98] Edited by: Furb Killer on 07/07/2010 14:16:19 Edited by: Furb Killer on 07/07/2010 14:13:34 Those twisted people also exist in the real world. There they also have access to who you are, there you also survive. Btw with also my fair share of death threats (And a few sexual harrasment, while they knew i am male, didnt stop them from telling some things they would do which normally happen in prison), i wouldnt mind them having my real name, if that means i also have their real name. How many people do you think would do sexual harrasment in a game when their real name is known? (Also had a "i know who you are" threath once, by someone who actually did know my real name and is from same country as i am (netherlands, which is pretty small), still i really cant be bothered to take internet threats serious). Quote: Another problem is cyberbullying yes its very real. Which is nothing worse than normal bullying, and usually done by, as was also the case there, by people who directly know the target. So hiding his name on forums would not help him in any way. BTW: I do also see the disadvantages. Personally i also rather have others not having my name. But what is the alternative? Forums like these can be 'easily' moderated because they can just ban the account behind the char. But what about 'normal' forums where everyone can make a new account? Or eve itself where everyone can make infinite trial accounts. How do you stop people from behaving like morons? Accepting people behave like idiots when anonymous and ignoring the problems + just telling people to hide their gender, race, etc does not seem like a solution to me.
Mazzarins Demise Profit Development and Research Association	Posted - 2010.07.07 14:14:00 - [99] Apologies to anyone out there who disagrees, but I'll take an army of trolls over my name being freely available to anyone every day of the god damn week. _________________________________________ Support the "Seed Primae on the market or ORE LP Stores" proposal! Click here!
Malcanis Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.07.07 14:16:00 - [100] Originally by: Furb Killer i wouldnt mind them having my real name, if that means i also have their real name Why on earth would they use their real name? Pro-Tip: webmail addresses are free and can be created in about 90 seconds. Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
Miilla	Posted - 2010.07.07 14:17:00 - [101] Eve is a relatively small player base (compared to WoW) but Eve is a more "harsh" world by design and thus provokes more rage (see my previous links for some examples). I like my privacy and value it, I do not give it up at the drop of a hat as it seems most people seem to nowdays. Somebody has to fight for your rights, doesn't seem that person is the ones who want this, so, who will be there to save you when we are all gone? :) There was a poem written about that, called "First them came" - its on wikipedia.
JitaPriceChecker2	Posted - 2010.07.07 14:18:00 - [102] If this will ever come to EVE i quit . It is a ****tard idea.
Farati	Posted - 2010.07.07 14:22:00 - [103] chuckle
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2010.07.07 14:23:00 - [104] Edited by: Furb Killer on 07/07/2010 14:23:24 Originally by: Miilla Eve is a relatively small player base (compared to WoW) but Eve is a more "harsh" world by design and thus provokes more rage (see my previous links for some examples). I like my privacy and value it, I do not give it up at the drop of a hat as it seems most people seem to nowdays. Somebody has to fight for your rights, doesn't seem that person is the ones who want this, so, who will be there to save you when we are all gone? :) There was a poem written about that, called "First them came" - its on wikipedia. I thought we were finished with comparing using your real name on the internet with genocide and the holocaust, and insinuating people in favour of it are actually ****s. (Not to mention it isnt in any way related). Would be handy tbh if this thing is locked and we just continue in the one in oope
Miilla	Posted - 2010.07.07 14:24:00 - [105] Edited by: Miilla on 07/07/2010 14:24:35 Originally by: Furb Killer Edited by: Furb Killer on 07/07/2010 14:23:24 Originally by: Miilla Eve is a relatively small player base (compared to WoW) but Eve is a more "harsh" world by design and thus provokes more rage (see my previous links for some examples). I like my privacy and value it, I do not give it up at the drop of a hat as it seems most people seem to nowdays. Somebody has to fight for your rights, doesn't seem that person is the ones who want this, so, who will be there to save you when we are all gone? :) There was a poem written about that, called "First them came" - its on wikipedia. I thought we were finished with comparing using your real name on the internet with genocide and the holocaust, and insinuating people in favour of it are actually ****s. (Not to mention it isnt in any way related). Would be handy tbh if this thing is locked and we just continue in the one in oope Well nice try at a comeback but it is actually a warning for future generations about what happened in the past. Ignore it at your pearl. Oh wait, it mostly has been ignored by todays generation.
Ganagati Caldari Dark Ashes	Posted - 2010.07.07 14:24:00 - [106] I really don't think you have to worry about this happening with EVE. The reaction to this has been less than pleasant all around, and if Blizzard keeps Real ID it would be either due to pride or not wanting to have wasted all the money implementing it for nothing. Companies are made up of REAL PEOPLE who are actually intelligent enough to look at this situation and realize it would be bad for business. Don't underestimate CCP that much. :-P
Spurty Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord	Posted - 2010.07.07 14:25:00 - [107] Edited by: Spurty on 07/07/2010 14:24:55 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1349140 **** off with your rumor threads NAPS: forcing you to play 'their' game
Dan O'Connor Cerberus Network Dignitas.	Posted - 2010.07.07 14:26:00 - [108] Originally by: Spurty Edited by: Spurty on 07/07/2010 14:24:55 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1349140 ** off with your rumor threads Uhm... Item DB** \| Sigs
The Wicked1	Posted - 2010.07.07 14:26:00 - [109] Originally by: Sir Rush Edited by: Sir Rush on 07/07/2010 10:45:28 Why EVE players get their panties all up in a bunch over what Blizzard does or doesn't do is beyond me. You know, just because Blizzard does it, doesn't mean everyone'll do it. CCP can make their own decisions. You can start freaking out once CCP announces it'll use the Real ID thing. So, never. This. And I sense that this thread will/should get moved to Out of pod experience Originally by: "CCP Fallout" Originally by: "FunTimeBarbie" Dumb dee dumb dee da daldary dumb dumb. DURPY DURP DURP!!!!! ... I durped you with a lock.
KaarBaak Minmatar Squirrel Team	Posted - 2010.07.07 14:27:00 - [110] I'm not sure how anyone would get a minor's personal information? The EULA clearly states that accounts for minor children must be setup by a consenting (adult) parent. So, the parent's name would be on the minor child's forum postings. But I guess we're back to "How can I be responsible for my child's actions." right? If THAT's the problem, you have bigger issues than forum posting. So, the "but what about the children" whine is moot. Stick to the supposed "real" issues. Like the people who are afraid someone will find them due to their eve account, yet posts all kinds of intimate details on Facebook, &etc. And while we're harping on the "no personal information allowed" tenet of the EULA, does that mean I can start having people banned when they claim "I've been a computer programmer since 1975 and this is how CCP could do it better..." I would say posting your personal work history is personal information. So cut it out. I don't really have a dog in this fight, because I don't really care one way or another. I use once avatar/name. I use it on my blog, on my twitter account, on my forum postings and in-game. It would take about 3 minutes for anyone with halfway decent google skills to track me down. But guess what? I'm not that interesting......and neither are you. KB =vinur allra manna MetaGaming
Zaknussem Intrum Industria	Posted - 2010.07.07 14:30:00 - [111] Nice trolling from Activision/Blizzard, I have to say. If some NoName developer/publisher decided to do this, they'd either lose all chance of their product turning a profit or get sued into the next millenium. But this is Blizzard, and they're about to release a sequel to one of the biggest PC games ever made. So naturally they're going to test how far they can push things and still have rabid fanboys rushing to get their product. Let's not forget that Blizzard has already announced that the game will be released in 3 "episodes" that will all be sold at full retail price, or the fact that their servers will be region-locked, or that no LAN-play will be allowed in the game, even though the game earned its reputation because it was such a good LAN game. I honestly don't want to know what other ball-breaking terms lurk in their EULA. If anything, Starcraft 2 is a good test of character. If you're dumb enough to want to get the game and abide by all of their rules, then you're truly getting what you deserve. Regardless of how good the game is. As for the idea of forcing people to use their real names when posting on game forums...it's a good idea. In the case of RealID it's a somewhat poorly thought-out idea, but the basic idea is sound and good. It will happen eventually, so you might as well get used to the idea straight away. Don't like that thought? Tough. I believe the oft-coined phrase is "Adapt or die"? And to the people here asking that people that support real name-usage to step forward and reveal their names...If you're in the middle of a war and you hear that a truce is about to be signed, do you immediately drop everything and stop fighting? Of course not, that's stupid. There's enough scaremongering in this thread already.
Dan O'Connor Cerberus Network Dignitas.	Posted - 2010.07.07 14:39:00 - [112] Originally by: Zaknussem I believe the oft-coined phrase is "Adapt or die"? In this case there's also option 3: Don't use the forums (not to mention privacy laws) Item DB \| Sigs
Abbot Laarkin Order Of Mystical Mountain Monks	Posted - 2010.07.07 14:41:00 - [113] Originally by: Furb Killer Edited by: Furb Killer on 07/07/2010 14:16:19 Edited by: Furb Killer on 07/07/2010 14:13:34 Those twisted people also exist in the real world. There they also have access to who you are, there you also survive. True. But there is a world of difference between a strange adult approaching your child in the street/ playground, and one using the internet to initiate contact. If you live in the UK and are old enough to remember the "Charlie says.." campaign to educate children about the dangers of strangers (among other things) will of grown up with a reasonable idea of how to respond to a stranger offering sweets etc. in an attempt to entice you into a car or whatever. This is something that you hopefully passed on to your own children, helped and re-enforced by teachers, television etc. The internet, and games in particular, are a different kettle of fish. The whole point of MMO's are to allow you to interact with strangers. This gives predators the perfect "in" with those they wish to prey on. It gives them the opportunity to become familiar to you, to encourage a bond of trust that can be used to elicit information which could be used to harm you. All in a relatively "safe" environment where they are less likely to be challenged by a parent, teacher or other concerned adult. Possessing your name is an advantage, whether you recognise it or not. Giving those individuals that advantage just for the sake of cutting down a little on forum spamming is utterly absurd. Those who support this kind of idea either do not have children, or are perhaps a little naive about the dangers inherent in this proposal. Yes there are risks in real life, this does not mean it is acceptable to add to those risks for no particularly pressing reason. Peace. ---- Originally by: Sir Carnage Originally by: Marko Riva Why does that read like they're all 12 and have an IQ of 37? I was under the impression they were 37 and had an IQ of 12
Mazzarins Demise Profit Development and Research Association	Posted - 2010.07.07 14:47:00 - [114] Here are a couple of links of killings and assaults due to disgruntled players obtaining personal information of players they did not like, simply for beating them in-game or killing their in-game character. Stabbing Assault and destruction of property Player murders his rival when they meet in real life News article to coincide with the Youtube video Assaults mother and self-mutilation Similar as article above, just site loads very slowly They are a ton more, go Google them. One stood out where a World of Warcraft couple murdered their own daughter, but that doesn't fit in this discussion. If many haven't noticed, people become VERY attached to their characters. Almost as if they were extensions of themselves, and as you can see, willing to defend it no matter the cost. _________________________________________ Support the "Seed Primae on the market or ORE LP Stores" proposal! Click here!
Celestine Santora	Posted - 2010.07.07 14:49:00 - [115] Originally by: Miilla Edited by: Miilla on 07/07/2010 13:56:53 Originally by: Demolishar Originally by: Miilla I for one cannot wait until the first REAL LIFE DEATH resulting from this. That's a bit bloodthirsty. That is reality, that will happen in time and unfortunatley that is what it will take for them to remove it. What about when you start getting phone calls from a sexual predator after your kid who he now knows his real name and thus able to track him down, even his school? Maybe these kind of people don't exist right? When do you say stop? When it is too late? Wow I'm surprised it took 4 pages for a "THINK OF THE CHILDREN!" post tl;dr remove the internet's anonymous aspect, make everyone accountable for their actions. Everybody benefits (except trolls and general *******s).
Halcyon Ingenium Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse	Posted - 2010.07.07 14:51:00 - [116] I thought rumor threads weren't welcome anymore. Trolls? In my EVE forums? It's more likely than you think...
Miilla	Posted - 2010.07.07 14:54:00 - [117] Originally by: Celestine Santora Originally by: Miilla Edited by: Miilla on 07/07/2010 13:56:53 Originally by: Demolishar Originally by: Miilla I for one cannot wait until the first REAL LIFE DEATH resulting from this. That's a bit bloodthirsty. That is reality, that will happen in time and unfortunatley that is what it will take for them to remove it. What about when you start getting phone calls from a sexual predator after your kid who he now knows his real name and thus able to track him down, even his school? Maybe these kind of people don't exist right? When do you say stop? When it is too late? Wow I'm surprised it took 4 pages for a "THINK OF THE CHILDREN!" post tl;dr remove the internet's anonymous aspect, make everyone accountable for their actions. Everybody benefits (except trolls and general *******s). Actually it was started on Page 1.
Malcanis Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.07.07 14:55:00 - [118] ITT: People who are so unbelievably stupid as to actually believe that Blizzard are doing this to improve their forums. Bad news guys, that's what is called a lie. A statement deliberately designed to mislead and convey false information. Blizzard are doing this because they've signed a huge deal with Facebook. They're selling their customers to one of the sleaziest operations that's still - for now - barely on the right side of the law. Facebook is openly contemptuous of any notion of privacy, and they will sell your profile information to anyone who wants it. Anyone. Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
Damien Smith Krazny Oktyabr Revolyutsiya Yezhovshchina	Posted - 2010.07.07 14:56:00 - [119] Oh no! I'll have to use my real name! Whatever will I d... oh, wait. Seriously though, it's a stupid idea but I can't see ccp ever doing it.
Celestine Santora	Posted - 2010.07.07 14:57:00 - [120] Originally by: Mazzarins Demise Here are a couple of links of killings and assaults due to disgruntled players obtaining personal information of players they did not like, simply for beating them in-game or killing their in-game character. Stabbing Assault and destruction of property Player murders his rival when they meet in real life News article to coincide with the Youtube video Assaults mother and self-mutilation Similar as article above, just site loads very slowly They are a ton more, go Google them. One stood out where a World of Warcraft couple murdered their own daughter, but that doesn't fit in this discussion. If many haven't noticed, people become VERY attached to their characters. Almost as if they were extensions of themselves, and as you can see, willing to defend it no matter the cost. And here's a list of people murdered for stupid and mundane things in no way related to video games: Oh wait I can't list them here because that list would be a threadnaught by itself (the 5 minute post timer makes it REALLY hard to have internet arguments)
Mazzarins Demise Profit Development and Research Association	Posted - 2010.07.07 14:59:00 - [121] Originally by: Celestine Santora Originally by: Mazzarins Demise Here are a couple of links of killings and assaults due to disgruntled players obtaining personal information of players they did not like, simply for beating them in-game or killing their in-game character. Stabbing Assault and destruction of property Player murders his rival when they meet in real life News article to coincide with the Youtube video Assaults mother and self-mutilation Similar as article above, just site loads very slowly They are a ton more, go Google them. One stood out where a World of Warcraft couple murdered their own daughter, but that doesn't fit in this discussion. If many haven't noticed, people become VERY attached to their characters. Almost as if they were extensions of themselves, and as you can see, willing to defend it no matter the cost. And here's a list of people murdered for stupid and mundane things in no way related to video games: Oh wait I can't list them here because that list would be a threadnaught by itself (the 5 minute post timer makes it REALLY hard to have internet arguments) Yea, I just use the sign in/sign out trick, but it gets old really fast. _________________________________________ Support the "Seed Primae on the market and ORE LP Stores" proposal! Click here
Super Whopper I can Has Cheeseburger	Posted - 2010.07.07 14:59:00 - [122] I always did want to see how corp theft would go if everyone knew your name. I bet it would lead to a lot of lulz like this. Identity theft? Impossible in my interwebz... oh wait... Can someone link that SA guy whose life got ruined after he posted about his fetish with underwear. Yeah, things like this never happen. I really think that fool who posted his real name on the WoW forums illustrated what happens when goons (not just SA Goons) get your real name and how far this can go. But they'll implement this anyway and cry as they get flooded with such hate they'll end up either dropping it or banning loads of people. Anyway, this just shows how fascist our societies are getting, with companies and governments out for total control.
Barakkus Caelestis Iudicium	Posted - 2010.07.07 15:02:00 - [123] Originally by: Akita T A real name falls quite a bit closer to the anonymity end than the full disclosure end. Unless you have a pretty unique name, I am the only person with my name in the city I live in. It isn't very hard to figure out what city someone lives in either if you engineer your posts in a way to capture IP addresses. Originally by: CCP Dropbear rofl edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
Catherine Frasier	Posted - 2010.07.07 15:02:00 - [124] Originally by: Rodj Blake To this end, I suggest that rather than linking all characters to a RL name, they should just link all characters together - so it's possible to see which alt belongs to who. With the exception of CAOD and similar role-playing channels there is absolutely no reason that posting on the forum should be connected with a particular in-game character. Look at this conversation, what possible difference does it make if I'm an industrialist or a Minmatar Militia fighter? Better yet, if I play both a loyal Amari industrialist and a Minmatari freedom fighter which one of those is my "main" for the purposes of discussing CCP policies or decisions? CCP doesn't exist within the context of Eve and my Amari industrialist doesn't exist in the context of this discussion. Trying to tie the two together is just demonstrating confusion. It would only serve to finally strangle the already rather feeble RP environment in Eve. OTOH trying to make the connections between all alts and accounts public information is not just confused, it's downright idiotic. To then link that information with real names would be abysmally stupid and dangerously naive.
Abbot Laarkin Order Of Mystical Mountain Monks	Posted - 2010.07.07 15:02:00 - [125] Originally by: Celestine Santora Wow I'm surprised it took 4 pages for a "THINK OF THE CHILDREN!" post tl;dr remove the internet's anonymous aspect, make everyone accountable for their actions. Everybody benefits (except trolls and general *****s). Read page 1 a little better And if you think paedophiles would not benefit from information it might otherwise take them weeks/ months to gain enough trust to elicit, being handed to them on a plate, then you are (with all due respect) ~~an idiot~~ a little naive. I have children, "THINK OF THE CHILDREN" is by default a way of life for me. Anything less would be a betrayal of my children's trust in me as their parent. There is nothing I would not do to protect my children, up to and including a life term. If you disagree then I sincerely hope (for the sake of your offspring) you never procreate. Peace. ---- Originally by:** Sir Carnage Originally by: Marko Riva Why does that read like they're all 12 and have an IQ of 37? I was under the impression they were 37 and had an IQ of 12
Jada Maroo	Posted - 2010.07.07 15:03:00 - [126] Pedophiles of the internet rejoice!
Ganagati Caldari Dark Ashes	Posted - 2010.07.07 15:04:00 - [127] I just read something that shows something will change. A blizz employee attempted to alleviate everyone's concerns over this. Here is the result. (Pasted from this WoW Forum Post) Since I'm not allowed to give out direct information as it's a violation (LMAO) of Blizzard's privacy policy, I'll tell it with all the real names missing. Blizzard CM, Bashiok who posts on the US forums tried to alleviate people's concerns about the new real name on the forums functionality by posting his own name on the forums, I won't say the name. After he did this, multiply posts afterwards including a blog on gameriot (just search real id and gameriot into google if you want to read it) found out all his personal information from own his name, including his address, family, facebook, home phone number amongst other things. They also found out he had a run in with the law back in 2004 involving not carrying any vehnicle registration on him, a felony in the US, and that he committed the same felony this year. Now I completely disagree with all forms of harrasment, but now this said employee has deleted his facebook and other information. This Blizzard employee was uncomfortable with the information found out about him solely by him using his own game on these forums. After he deleted all that information which his own company is forcing on millions of people, there is abo%#%!ely no way in hell Blizzard can go through with this change anymore.
Barakkus Caelestis Iudicium	Posted - 2010.07.07 15:05:00 - [128] One thing about the blizz employee who supposedly is being harassed, most gaming companies don't provide complete annonymity for their employees. The community manager for EQ2 usually posts with their first and last names, and most of the time that information is readily available for just about every single developer for EQ2...that is nothing new...people over there on the WoW forums are using the fact that he posted his name as an example of what WILL happen to a lot of people once this goes live. Originally by: CCP Dropbear rofl edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
Super Whopper I can Has Cheeseburger	Posted - 2010.07.07 15:12:00 - [129] Originally by: Celestine Santora And here's a list of people murdered for stupid and mundane things in no way related to video games: Oh wait I can't list them here because that list would be a threadnaught by itself (the 5 minute post timer makes it REALLY hard to have internet arguments) All those saying anonymity isn't a problem, please mail me your real names in game and CCP will never know and you won't get banned. Any excuses are simply hypocrisy and you can stfu. Thank you very much.
Jada Maroo	Posted - 2010.07.07 15:15:00 - [130] In all seriousness, if I had a child playing WoW their WoW account would be immediately terminated. I wouldn't want WoW weirdos knowing my child's name, let alone all the basement dwellers of Eve. I kid, I kid. I love Eve. Easiest way to nip this stupid idea on the bud? Let parents know.
Celestine Santora	Posted - 2010.07.07 15:16:00 - [131] Originally by: Abbot Laarkin Originally by: Celestine Santora Wow I'm surprised it took 4 pages for a "THINK OF THE CHILDREN!" post tl;dr remove the internet's anonymous aspect, make everyone accountable for their actions. Everybody benefits (except trolls and general *******s). Read page 1 a little better And if you think paedophiles would not benefit from information it might otherwise take them weeks/ months to gain enough trust to elicit, being handed to them on a plate, then you are (with all due respect) ~~an idiot~~ a little naive. I have children, "THINK OF THE CHILDREN" is by default a way of life for me. Anything less would be a betrayal of my children's trust in me as their parent. There is nothing I would not do to protect my children, up to and including a life term. If you disagree then I sincerely hope (for the sake of your offspring) you never procreate. Peace. If your children are young enough to be preyed upon by pedophiles then they shouldn't be playing online games regardless of whether their information is displayed or not.
Super Whopper I can Has Cheeseburger	Posted - 2010.07.07 15:19:00 - [132] Edited by: Super Whopper on 07/07/2010 15:22:40 Originally by: Barakkus One thing about the blizz employee who supposedly is being harassed, most gaming companies don't provide complete annonymity for their employees. The community manager for EQ2 usually posts with their first and last names, and most of the time that information is readily available for just about every single developer for EQ2...that is nothing new...people over there on the WoW forums are using the fact that he posted his name as an example of what WILL happen to a lot of people once this goes live. Type of gamer is also imperative here. I know a few EQ2 players and they're not nearly as immature or vindictive as WoW or EVE players. While these things won't happen in EQ2, it will happen when RealID is implemented on the WoW forums and here, if CCP ever get the idea it might be remotely intelligent. I, personally, don't care about WoW and all the 40 year olds going on 13 but I do care about privacy. Last time I checked there were only three families with my surname in my entire country. You can shove RealID where the sun doesn't shine, because harassing my mother, brother, sister, father and pets will result in bad things being done to you. P.S. This isn't the end of the world. This just encourages more people to play on private WoW servers, which Blizzard have already ordained as irrelevant, as they believe it brings in more customers for them. Some of these private servers are far, far better than Blizzards, with balance, continuous events, support and fun.
Catherine Frasier	Posted - 2010.07.07 15:21:00 - [133] Originally by: Celestine Santora If your children are young enough to be preyed upon by pedophiles then they shouldn't be playing online games regardless of whether their information is displayed or not. And why not exactly?
Rothrin	Posted - 2010.07.07 15:21:00 - [134] Originally by: Mazzarins Demise Here are a couple of links of killings and assaults due to disgruntled players obtaining personal information of players they did not like, simply for beating them in-game or killing their in-game character. Stabbing Assault and destruction of property Player murders his rival when they meet in real life News article to coincide with the Youtube video Assaults mother and self-mutilation Similar as article above, just site loads very slowly They are a ton more, go Google them. One stood out where a World of Warcraft couple murdered their own daughter, but that doesn't fit in this discussion. If many haven't noticed, people become VERY attached to their characters. Almost as if they were extensions of themselves, and as you can see, willing to defend it no matter the cost. WEll for this i can't really say wether these people would have done this sort of thing anyway or maybe they were allways unbalnced and after xxxx amount of years of posting stuff on forums with total anonymity they lost perspective of whats right or wrong. Maybe blizzard are being socail responsable and makeing people understand what they say has meaning, be it on a forum or in a playground or at the workplace as for it attracts weirdos and what not, i think its the same argument as guns dont kill people, people kill people. And for all those peoplethat have had real life threats made agaisnt their person be it sexual or vilont, hope you reported it to protect others and always remember if cpp wont act on it, then your local police will prolly have a net crimes division who will act on it, Changes to the net are happening and about time to.
Jada Maroo	Posted - 2010.07.07 15:22:00 - [135] Originally by: Celestine Santora If your children are young enough to be preyed upon by pedophiles then they shouldn't be playing online games regardless of whether their information is displayed or not. I wasn't aware there was a child cut-off age for pedophiles. I'm pretty sure anything underage is open season.
Lt Angus Caldari the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2010.07.07 15:22:00 - [136] Originally by: Barakkus Originally by: Akita T A real name falls quite a bit closer to the anonymity end than the full disclosure end. Unless you have a pretty unique name, I am the only person with my name in the city I live in. It isn't very hard to figure out what city someone lives in either if you engineer your posts in a way to capture IP addresses. Theres about 10 people in the world with my name :-( My goal is to go highlander on them please resize your signature to the maximum allowed file size of 24000 bytes. Navigator Shhhh, Im hunting Badgers
Dan O'Connor Cerberus Network Dignitas.	Posted - 2010.07.07 15:26:00 - [137] Originally by: Lt Angus Originally by: Barakkus Originally by: Akita T A real name falls quite a bit closer to the anonymity end than the full disclosure end. Unless you have a pretty unique name, I am the only person with my name in the city I live in. It isn't very hard to figure out what city someone lives in either if you engineer your posts in a way to capture IP addresses. Theres about 10 people in the world with my name :-( My goal is to go highlander on them Achievement unlocked: HIGHLANDER There CAN only be one. Item DB \| Sigs
Super Whopper I can Has Cheeseburger	Posted - 2010.07.07 15:27:00 - [138] Originally by: Dan O'Connor Theres about 10 people in the world with my name :-( My goal is to go highlander on them Achievement unlocked: HIGHLANDER There CAN only be one. I will never obtain these powers, considering there're only three, as far as I know, with mine
Washell Olivaw	Posted - 2010.07.07 15:29:00 - [139] Edited by: Washell Olivaw on 07/07/2010 15:32:00 CCP hasn't got the habit to copy Blizzard's business, design and forum policies and decisions. I have no concern they'll implement it here. Edit: if they or any company do, I'm gone. Not interested in explaining why I spend time on this or that forum during job interviews. Originally by: Signature Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
Mazzarins Demise Profit Development and Research Association	Posted - 2010.07.07 15:35:00 - [140] Originally by: Washell Olivaw Edited by: Washell Olivaw on 07/07/2010 15:32:00 CCP hasn't got the habit to copy Blizzard's business, design and forum policies and decisions. I have no concern they'll implement it here. Edit: if they or any company do, I'm gone. Not interested in explaining why I spend time on this or that forum during job interviews. Yea, I agree. I really don't think CCP will ever implement something like this to their forums. The fact that a rather large company IS considering it though is utterly scary. _________________________________________ Support the "Seed Primae on the market and ORE LP Stores" proposal! Click here
digitalwanderer Gallente DF0 incorporated	Posted - 2010.07.07 15:44:00 - [141] There's tons of people in the world with my first and last name,so i don't see how it's possible to inflict any harm,but i guess it can go on a case by case basis depending on how unique one's name is,as it can make the list of possibilities much shorter in that case.
Barakkus Caelestis Iudicium	Posted - 2010.07.07 15:56:00 - [142] Originally by: Super Whopper Type of gamer is also imperative here. I know a few EQ2 players and they're not nearly as immature or vindictive as WoW or EVE players. You haven't been in EQ2 lately have you It seems it has been invaded by more of the WoW kiddies lately. You also haven't been on the other side of the game where you are going to be specifically targeted by people you ban from the forums, I should dig up the posts from the moderator forum I saved when I used to be a moderator lol. At any rate though, I think blizz is making a huge mistake personally. Originally by: CCP Dropbear rofl edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
stoicfaux	Posted - 2010.07.07 16:07:00 - [143] Originally by: digitalwanderer There's tons of people in the world with my first and last name,so i don't see how it's possible to inflict any harm,but i guess it can go on a case by case basis depending on how unique one's name is,as it can make the list of possibilities much shorter in that case. Yes, but how many have a middle name of Virag and live in Highland, IN in the USA and were born in 1966? ----- "Are you a sociopathic paranoid schizophrenic with accounting skills? We have the game for you! -- Eve, the game of Alts, Economics, Machiavelli, and PvP"
Super Whopper I can Has Cheeseburger	Posted - 2010.07.07 16:08:00 - [144] Originally by: Barakkus Originally by: Super Whopper Type of gamer is also imperative here. I know a few EQ2 players and they're not nearly as immature or vindictive as WoW or EVE players. You haven't been in EQ2 lately have you It seems it has been invaded by more of the WoW kiddies lately. You also haven't been on the other side of the game where you are going to be specifically targeted by people you ban from the forums, I should dig up the posts from the moderator forum I saved when I used to be a moderator lol. At any rate though, I think blizz is making a huge mistake personally. I have, fortunately, never played EQ2 but am interested in your links.
Miilla	Posted - 2010.07.07 16:08:00 - [145] Edited by: Miilla on 07/07/2010 16:17:18 I have already received many threats and perverted comments. That is enough proof for me this is BAD. Petitioning does not solve the problem of physical threats of real life hurt given by other customers in game. CCP, Kill the forums please. If you ever want to do this. Fire your moderators as they will be not needed. NO forum no moderator jobs. I have no sympathy for the Blizzard moderator that posted his name. He tried to act a smart know it all liar. he got burnt. Good, he has a criminal history too. I hope he loses his job or leaves due to embarassment. :) Serves him right for being the big man on the internet. If you cannot manage a forum. Don't run one. Enuf said. The reason CCP are leaving this discussion open is because they want to see our reaction. I think they got it. Unfortunatley Blizzard won't care, they are too big. The can afford to lose a % of customers. CCP it seems is getting that way too, growing (white wolf, dust consoels etc), eventually that will happen here too.
digitalwanderer Gallente DF0 incorporated	Posted - 2010.07.07 16:23:00 - [146] Edited by: digitalwanderer on 07/07/2010 16:25:05 Originally by: stoicfaux Originally by: digitalwanderer There's tons of people in the world with my first and last name,so i don't see how it's possible to inflict any harm,but i guess it can go on a case by case basis depending on how unique one's name is,as it can make the list of possibilities much shorter in that case. Yes, but how many have a middle name of Virag and live in Highland, IN in the USA and were born in 1966? Hence the second part of my post....It basically won't affect everyone equally,and in the end,it also depends on how you act in game to motivate people too take the time and trouble to search a specific person out as well,as it's extremely unlikely they'll find that person on the first attempt anyhow. There's realistic chances and there's paranoia,which we've seen plenty on replies on this thread leading a lot more towards paranoia than anything else. FYI,with just your first and last name,they can't find out where you live or when you were born btw...
Taattii	Posted - 2010.07.07 16:24:00 - [147] Edited by: Taattii on 07/07/2010 16:27:04 Originally by: digitalwanderer Originally by: stoicfaux Originally by: digitalwanderer There's tons of people in the world with my first and last name,so i don't see how it's possible to inflict any harm,but i guess it can go on a case by case basis depending on how unique one's name is,as it can make the list of possibilities much shorter in that case. Yes, but how many have a middle name of Virag and live in Highland, IN in the USA and were born in 1966? Hence the second part of my post....It basically won't affect everyone equally,and in the end,it also depends on how you act in game to motivate people too take the time and trouble to search a specific person out as well,as it's extremely unlikely they'll find that person on the first attempt anyhow. There's realistic chances and there's paranoia,which we've seen plenty on replies on this thread leading a lot more towards paranoia than anything else. I am not paranoid when I have received physical harm (knifed ear to ear) threats in game and have petitioned those. That is NOT paranoia. Oops posted with my alt :) First and last name eh? They cannot? I can sit and watch you, probe you with forum posts and watch your response, social engineer it out of you. Then I get more information and then will know exactly what I want to know about you. I can easily get your country, and narrow it down to area (state or region) just even by directly asking you, lets face it, most online love to brag and its so easy to get it out of you. I just troll you and you emotionally respond with it. Its not rocket science. Its social science.
Barakkus Caelestis Iudicium	Posted - 2010.07.07 16:25:00 - [148] Edited by: Barakkus on 07/07/2010 16:26:39 Originally by: Super Whopper Originally by: Barakkus Originally by: Super Whopper Type of gamer is also imperative here. I know a few EQ2 players and they're not nearly as immature or vindictive as WoW or EVE players. You haven't been in EQ2 lately have you It seems it has been invaded by more of the WoW kiddies lately. You also haven't been on the other side of the game where you are going to be specifically targeted by people you ban from the forums, I should dig up the posts from the moderator forum I saved when I used to be a moderator lol. At any rate though, I think blizz is making a huge mistake personally. I have, fortunately, never played EQ2 but am interested in your links. Unfortunately I'm having trouble finding the pdfs I made from a couple threads concerning the drama surrounding the original set of forum mods, but this is the public version of events: http://www.eq2flames.com/rate-****/356-out-moderator.html (you're going to have to manually enter the url, it's http://www.eq2flames.com/rate-r e t a r d/356-out-moderator.html 2 things happened, one of the posters on EQ2Flames, Gaige, was a forum moderator and outted us publically for lulz (he's one of the WoW mentallity kiddies), the other part was another one of the forum mods (in game poster Asterothrax) decided to get in the pants of some players using his moderator account and exposed us to his "love interests" (even though he was married) as well. Things went downhill from there, one of the mods, StarryEyedElf started getting harassed irl from it (I may have too, but that's debatable whether it was an EQ2 player or an ex g/f). I was one of the least hated moderators so I avoided a lot of the harassment, I didn't power trip on people like many of the other mods did. More than likely those threads from the mod boards are on a pair of hard drives sitting in a computer that is shelved atm b/c it died due to over heating last summer...I'll eve mail them if I discover them :P Originally by:** CCP Dropbear rofl edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2010.07.07 16:27:00 - [149] I didnt read all 5 pages of replies, but I did read the whole first page of replies. Out d them, zero read the acyual article. Quote: Real ID is a completely voluntary and optional ...quote] Reading Comprehension troll much? This is clearly a signature.
Miilla	Posted - 2010.07.07 16:30:00 - [150] Edited by: Miilla on 07/07/2010 16:30:35 Originally by: Cipher Jones Edited by: Cipher Jones on 07/07/2010 16:29:19 Edited by: Cipher Jones on 07/07/2010 16:28:49 I didnt read all 5 pages of replies, but I did read the whole first page of replies. Out of them, zero read the acyual article. Quote: Real ID is a completely voluntary and optional ... Reading Comprehension troll much? "The first and most significant change is that in the near future, anyone posting or replying to a post on official Blizzard forums will be doing so using their Real ID -- that is, their real-life first and last name -- with the option to also display the name of their primary in-game character alongside it." That is not VOLUNTARY, that is not OPTIONAL. " anyone posting or replying to a post on official Blizzard forums will be doing so using their Real ID -- that is, their real-life first and last name" THAT IS EVERY POST. So, where does it say I can optionally voluntarlly "NOT USE MY REAL NAME ON FORUM POSTS"? Please show.
Miilla	Posted - 2010.07.07 16:35:00 - [151] Edited by: Miilla on 07/07/2010 16:37:47 Originally by: Dan O'Connor Originally by: Zaknussem I believe the oft-coined phrase is "Adapt or die"? In this case there's also option 3: Don't use the forums (not to mention privacy laws) So, what happens to back dated forum posts? Can we remove them, are they except? Privacy laws? Where? You give them up long ago circa September 11th 2001 I believe. You give them up, you have none. You rolled over like a lapdog then and you are rolling over again. Using laws to remove this is too late. You have already lost the fight. The idea is to stop this happening before it happens not AFTER it happens. Derwood.
Barakkus Caelestis Iudicium	Posted - 2010.07.07 16:36:00 - [152] Originally by: Miilla Originally by: Dan O'Connor Originally by: Zaknussem I believe the oft-coined phrase is "Adapt or die"? In this case there's also option 3: Don't use the forums (not to mention privacy laws) So, what happens to back dated forum posts? Can we remove them, are they except? Privacy laws? Where? You give them up long ago circa September 11th 2001 I believe. You give them up, you have none. Using laws to remove this is too late. You have already lost the fight. The idea is to stop this happening before it happens not AFTER it happens. Derwood. Supposedly it is not retroactive. If it is, I will be lawyering up. Originally by: CCP Dropbear rofl edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
Dan O'Connor Cerberus Network Dignitas.	Posted - 2010.07.07 16:38:00 - [153] Originally by: Cipher Jones Quote: Real ID is a completely voluntary and optional ... Reading Comprehension troll much? Not according to the official announcement, which reads: Recently, we introduced our new Real ID feature http://eu.battle.net/realid/, a new way to stay connected with your friends on the new Battle.net. Today, we wanted to give you a heads up about our plans for Real ID on our official forums, discuss the design philosophy behind the changes weÆre making, and give you a first look at some of the new features weÆre adding to the forums to help improve the quality of conversations and make the forums an even more enjoyable place for players to visit. The first and most significant change is that in the near future, anyone posting or replying to a post on official Blizzard forums will be doing so using their Real ID -- that is, their real-life first and last name -- with the option to also display the name of their primary in-game character alongside it. These changes will go into effect on all StarCraft II forums with the launch of the new community site prior to the July 27 release of the game, with the World of Warcraft site and forums following suit near the launch of Cataclysm. Certain classic forums, including the classic Battle.net forums, will remain unchanged. Item DB \| Sigs
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2010.07.07 16:38:00 - [154] LOL This thread and the rage here is funny. Especially because IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN.
Miilla	Posted - 2010.07.07 16:40:00 - [155] Edited by: Miilla on 07/07/2010 16:42:04 Originally by: Gnulpie LOL This thread and the rage here is funny. Especially because IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. NEVER? I bet they "NEVER" expected this on the Blizzard Forums either! Why do you think CCP allows this thread to remain? Because they want to observe it. Given they don't want "rumour" threads posted and even made a sticky stating posters will be banned if they start RUMOUR threads, why let this thread remain? Oh wait, never say never ring a bell? (It's ringing sirens in my head right now). Maybe I should run for CSM as I seem to be one of the few standing up for customers.
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2010.07.07 16:42:00 - [156] Edited by: Cipher Jones on 07/07/2010 16:42:49 Originally by: Miilla Edited by: Miilla on 07/07/2010 16:30:35 Originally by: Cipher Jones Edited by: Cipher Jones on 07/07/2010 16:29:19 Edited by: Cipher Jones on 07/07/2010 16:28:49 I didnt read all 5 pages of replies, but I did read the whole first page of replies. Out of them, zero read the acyual article. Quote: Real ID is a completely voluntary and optional ... Reading Comprehension troll much? "The first and most significant change is that in the near future, anyone posting or replying to a post on official Blizzard forums will be doing so using their Real ID -- that is, their real-life first and last name -- with the option to also display the name of their primary in-game character alongside it." That is not VOLUNTARY, that is not OPTIONAL. " anyone posting or replying to a post on official Blizzard forums will be doing so using their Real ID -- that is, their real-life first and last name" THAT IS EVERY POST. So, where does it say I can optionally voluntarlly "NOT USE MY REAL NAME ON FORUM POSTS"? Please show. It's definately optional to use the real i.d. system according to bliz, but you have to use real ID to post on the forums. t's 100% vuluntary. Your real name will not be released to anyone unless you elect to use the system. This is clearly a signature.
Maluminse Caldari Out Siders	Posted - 2010.07.07 16:42:00 - [157] Has anyone thought about people who IRL hold positions and names that are easily googlable, and prefer to remain anonymous so some 4chan people [or EVE forums people for that matter] don't end up outside their front windows? Anyone?
Celestine Santora	Posted - 2010.07.07 16:44:00 - [158] Originally by: Maluminse Has anyone thought about people who IRL hold positions and names that are easily googlable, and prefer to remain anonymous so some 4chan people [or EVE forums people for that matter] don't end up outside their front windows? Anyone? If you're doing something online to justify people lining up outside your house you probably deserve it
digitalwanderer Gallente DF0 incorporated	Posted - 2010.07.07 16:45:00 - [159] Edited by: digitalwanderer on 07/07/2010 16:47:04 Originally by: Taattii Edited by: Taattii on 07/07/2010 16:27:04 Originally by: digitalwanderer Originally by: stoicfaux Originally by: digitalwanderer There's tons of people in the world with my first and last name,so i don't see how it's possible to inflict any harm,but i guess it can go on a case by case basis depending on how unique one's name is,as it can make the list of possibilities much shorter in that case. Yes, but how many have a middle name of Virag and live in Highland, IN in the USA and were born in 1966? Hence the second part of my post....It basically won't affect everyone equally,and in the end,it also depends on how you act in game to motivate people too take the time and trouble to search a specific person out as well,as it's extremely unlikely they'll find that person on the first attempt anyhow. There's realistic chances and there's paranoia,which we've seen plenty on replies on this thread leading a lot more towards paranoia than anything else. I am not paranoid when I have received physical harm (knifed ear to ear) threats in game and have petitioned those. That is NOT paranoia. Oops posted with my alt :) First and last name eh? They cannot? I can sit and watch you, probe you with forum posts and watch your response, social engineer it out of you. Then I get more information and then will know exactly what I want to know about you. I can easily get your country, and narrow it down to area (state or region) just even by directly asking you, lets face it, most online love to brag and its so easy to get it out of you. I just troll you and you emotionally respond with it. Its not rocket science. Its social science. Social engineering it huh?,and more to the point me telling you where i live....Listen,i have been playing this game for 7 years,and the only people i've ever told where i was from,were other players who've been playing with me for several years as well,so good luck on me reveiling where i'm from on the forums. The odds are that a lot of players in game are a lot more willing to say where they're from right from the start,so adding that bit of information,with their actual name in the forums when they post is what's freaking people out,but if they do find you,you're the one responsable for giving them a good head start at least,not just the forum name itself.
Miilla	Posted - 2010.07.07 16:46:00 - [160] Originally by: Cipher Jones Edited by: Cipher Jones on 07/07/2010 16:42:49 Originally by: Miilla Edited by: Miilla on 07/07/2010 16:30:35 Originally by: Cipher Jones Edited by: Cipher Jones on 07/07/2010 16:29:19 Edited by: Cipher Jones on 07/07/2010 16:28:49 I didnt read all 5 pages of replies, but I did read the whole first page of replies. Out of them, zero read the acyual article. Quote: Real ID is a completely voluntary and optional ... Reading Comprehension troll much? "The first and most significant change is that in the near future, anyone posting or replying to a post on official Blizzard forums will be doing so using their Real ID -- that is, their real-life first and last name -- with the option to also display the name of their primary in-game character alongside it." That is not VOLUNTARY, that is not OPTIONAL. " anyone posting or replying to a post on official Blizzard forums will be doing so using their Real ID -- that is, their real-life first and last name" THAT IS EVERY POST. So, where does it say I can optionally voluntarlly "NOT USE MY REAL NAME ON FORUM POSTS"? Please show. It's definately optional to use the real i.d. system according to bliz, but you have to use real ID to post on the forums. t's 100% vuluntary. Your real name will not be released to anyone unless you elect to use the system. You mean it's "optional" to "post on the forums". Well that is ALWAYS an option :) Ofcourse if you do, your real name is posted :) Please post a link and quote of your information please. I did. And it contradicts what you say. Here, I will post it again for your lazyness. Linky of quote The first and most significant change is that in the near future, anyone posting or replying to a post on official Blizzard forums will be doing so using their Real ID -- that is, their real-life first and last name -- with the option to also display the name of their primary in-game character alongside it. Translation: If you want to post. Your name is posted too. No If's Not BUt's, IT IS. No option. Except the "option" to NOT POST.
Pewchew Amarr	Posted - 2010.07.07 16:46:00 - [161] Edited by: Pewchew on 07/07/2010 16:46:36 Lets just all hope CCP stay as they are and never get involved with any of the big publishers like Activision. They destroyed a lot of games and careers in their greedy pursuit of more money. Seems like wow is the latest victim.
Dan O'Connor Cerberus Network Dignitas.	Posted - 2010.07.07 16:47:00 - [162] Originally by: Miilla Edited by: Miilla on 07/07/2010 16:37:47 Originally by: Dan O'Connor Originally by: Zaknussem I believe the oft-coined phrase is "Adapt or die"? In this case there's also option 3: Don't use the forums (not to mention privacy laws) So, what happens to back dated forum posts? Can we remove them, are they except? Privacy laws? Where? You give them up long ago circa September 11th 2001 I believe. You give them up, you have none. You rolled over like a lapdog then and you are rolling over again. It won't be in retrospect - only for posts from then on in. We Europeans kinda like our privacy laws though, and we didn't give them up on Sep 11 2001. Item DB \| Sigs
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2010.07.07 16:49:00 - [163] the link is in the first sentence of the page the op linked, if you read it you saw it. This is clearly a signature.
Barakkus Caelestis Iudicium	Posted - 2010.07.07 16:49:00 - [164] Edited by: Barakkus on 07/07/2010 16:49:47 Originally by: Pewchew Edited by: Pewchew on 07/07/2010 16:46:36 Lets just all hope CCP stay as they are and never get involved with any of the big publishers like Activision. They destroyed a lot of games and careers in their greedy pursuit of more money. Seems like wow is the latest victim. CCP is pretty unique in their approach to the industry from what I've seen. No other gaming company allows as much forum PvP as CCP does, or allows/designs for underhanded game play like CCP. I think they're doing pretty well on their own financially and wouldn't need to resort to selling to some mega game corporation, they're buying other game companies, so it's doubtful they will be going the way of Blizzard any time soon. Not to say it won't happen, just not any time in the near future... Originally by: CCP Dropbear rofl edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
Miilla	Posted - 2010.07.07 16:51:00 - [165] Originally by: Dan O'Connor Originally by: Miilla Edited by: Miilla on 07/07/2010 16:37:47 Originally by: Dan O'Connor Originally by: Zaknussem I believe the oft-coined phrase is "Adapt or die"? In this case there's also option 3: Don't use the forums (not to mention privacy laws) So, what happens to back dated forum posts? Can we remove them, are they except? Privacy laws? Where? You give them up long ago circa September 11th 2001 I believe. You give them up, you have none. You rolled over like a lapdog then and you are rolling over again. It won't be in retrospect - only for posts from then on in. We Europeans kinda like our privacy laws though, and we didn't give them up on Sep 11 2001. And? Blizzard operate and sell WoW in Europe also, they are still doing this. Where are your privacy laws now? Well? What do they have to say? Please enlighten us.
Dan O'Connor Cerberus Network Dignitas.	Posted - 2010.07.07 16:56:00 - [166] Edited by: Dan O''Connor on 07/07/2010 16:56:48 Originally by: Miilla Originally by: Dan O'Connor It won't be in retrospect - only for posts from then on in. We Europeans kinda like our privacy laws though, and we didn't give them up on Sep 11 2001. And? Blizzard operate and sell WoW in Europe also, they are still doing this. Where are your privacy laws now? Well? What do they have to say? Please enlighten us. They don't actually really care about laws or such things in, well, pretty much everywhere WoW or other titles are played... apparently. That doesn't turn them invisible or not relevant for a game company that has to respect these kind of things. If you have no control over it (other than actually not posting), that borders on being illegal. At least for some countries here in Europe it would be, and if someone sues - there would be no problem in winning. They'll see. This is quite possible the worst idea in MMO history and a strong contender in the FAIL of the decade. Item DB \| Sigs
Kiko Tojima Amarr Daughters of Hada	Posted - 2010.07.07 16:57:00 - [167] I don't have any fear concerning CCP, after all they actively erase posts where personal information pops up. On another note they openly talked about Ambulation being the means to increase the female population of EVE. Blizzards stunt is the surest way to get rid of that population. Am I right, Ladies?
Pewchew Amarr	Posted - 2010.07.07 17:00:00 - [168] Originally by: Kiko Tojima Ladies? Ladies? Where!? :o
Rebal 88 Minmatar INGEN Industries The Kadeshi	Posted - 2010.07.07 17:04:00 - [169] Don't do it CCP! We love you.
Diomedes Calypso	Posted - 2010.07.07 17:12:00 - [170] Forums are a good size segment of my game play. They are part of the game experience. Im out if they move that way anomn commuication is/was one of the great aspects of the Internet you can express thoughts that are not your opinion but just a possible angle on a subject i am all for examining all possible permutations of an issue then discarding 95% of them. But in the process of considering then discarding the far fetched often grains of truth in the inane help give perpective to reconsider and adapt the more core opinions that is one of the benefits of the rumor postings of the last couple weeks and the counters by parody threads parody is one of the best ways to express subtle and coplicated failures similar to allegory analogy etc out of context a parody or sarcastic or an opinion stated for the purpose of strectching perspective on an issue will be issues that most people would not want associated with them all that is necessary is to learn to sift quickly through signal to noise be secure emogh to shrug off passing insults and always think in a non linear manner
Zartrader	Posted - 2010.07.07 17:12:00 - [171] Edited by: Zartrader on 07/07/2010 17:14:03 The trolling is extreme and the level of discussion in the gutter on Blizzard forums. I suspect they want to remove 90% of the posts in an attempt to clean it up. You get one intelligent post followed by several irrelevant or plain rude replies so rarely does any discussion worth having occur. WOW even tried to change bad behaviour ingame but that didn't work. Since they dumbed the game down it got even worse, no surprise there. EVE is completely different, the quality of posting is a lot higher although we still get the dross. Flaming and smack talk is an accepted part of EVE in the right context. CCP do not want this game to be 'nice' and nor do the players. The need to do this on EVE forums is not there so people should stop panicking.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.07.07 17:15:00 - [172] àI wonder if Ekrid has created a new alt. Oh, and this thread belongs in OOPE. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Barakkus Caelestis Iudicium	Posted - 2010.07.07 17:16:00 - [173] I personally don't like what goes on b/c of the annonimity of the internet, but on the otherhand, a lot worse could happen without it...I just remind myself those being *****s on the internet b/c they can't get a fist shoved down their throat are probably pretty worthless people irl too. Originally by:** CCP Dropbear rofl edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
Barakkus Caelestis Iudicium	Posted - 2010.07.07 17:17:00 - [174] Originally by: Tippia àI wonder if Ekrid has created a new alt. Oh, and this thread belongs in OOPE. You mean like this? Unfortunately some people haven't trained internet forum posting very high Originally by: CCP Dropbear rofl edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
Dirk Mortice	Posted - 2010.07.07 17:21:00 - [175] waits for RL violence to occur because 10 year old loses titan and name of killer matches a guy down his street
kurg	Posted - 2010.07.07 17:22:00 - [176] CCP please do it!, implement something like RealID in hopes the amount of natural selection on these forums will minimize!
digitalwanderer Gallente DF0 incorporated	Posted - 2010.07.07 17:24:00 - [177] This sums it up really: http://www.cad-comic.com/cad/
Mazzarins Demise Profit Development and Research Association	Posted - 2010.07.07 17:27:00 - [178] Edited by: Mazzarins Demise on 07/07/2010 17:28:21 Originally by: Zartrader Edited by: Zartrader on 07/07/2010 17:14:03The need to do this on EVE forums is not there so people should stop panicking. I wouldn't quite consider this thread a "panic" in the strictest sense of the word. I feel that this is a good topic of discussion as one of our MMO cousins is getting a change that has really stirred the hornet's nest. Now, I'll be the first to admit that this doesn't mean CCP, or any other company for that matter, will be following suit down the road or ever, but the fact a company is willing to something so extreme to curb simple forum trolls feels like using a hammer to conduct brain surgery. It's too extreme. The risks far outweigh the rewards, so to speak. In my humble opinion, using the REAL ID goes against everything MMOs and practically the internet stands for, which is the idea and feeling of being safe. MMOs, and all video games for that matter, symbolize the idea of escapism. Roller coasters, arcades, reading a book, watching a movie, are all methods people utilize to escape from the daily drudgery they may or may not encounter. In computing, internet, and gaming, it's the idea of safely walking away, and not worrying about any repercussions for beating another player in a competition, stealing a monster, or having a nice old-fashioned ribbing of another player after the fact. With REAL ID, that freedom is being taken away. Now, whenever you make a post be it trolling, helpful, or otherwise, you have to make a logical decision as to whether or not it's worth the risk of posting the material. "If I make this post, which contains an idea about a rather unpopular change, for instance selling SP, how might I become affected by those who are vehemently against this idea?" This is a question many will have to ask themselves when REAL ID goes live. Sure, it'll cut down on the trolls and nonsensical material pertaining to the topic, but then you also lose out on the positive and helpful posts players may make in the future. Again, I wouldn't necessary call this a panic, but again in my opinion it goes against the ideas and philosophy behind MMOs and forum posting, and that is NEVER worth giving up. TL;DR - REAL ID is BAD MMKAY!? _________________________________________ Support the "Seed Primae on the market and ORE LP Stores" proposal! Click here
Wookie 1 Caldari The Maverick Navy IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.07.07 17:30:00 - [179] Good to see that the hand of Bobby '****er' Kotick is being seen in his crusade to destory his own bloody company and industry.
Shintai Gallente Arx Io Orbital Factories Arx Io	Posted - 2010.07.07 17:33:00 - [180] Alot of trolling and pointless forum posts would be removed with RealID. I support it! -------------------------------------- Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry
Cyprus Black Caldari 4 wing Dara Cothrom	Posted - 2010.07.07 17:34:00 - [181] Edited by: Cyprus Black on 07/07/2010 17:34:59 If CCP ever implemented RealID in EvE, I would leave. Plain and simple. I could give a list of reasons why, but they're already pretty obvious. Personal privacy being at the top of that list. ___________________________________ "In the land of predators, the lion does not fear the jackal." -Dexter
Backho	Posted - 2010.07.07 17:35:00 - [182] Oh no. im osama bin laden. If CCP releases real name obama will bomb me please ccp dont be murderers
RabbitofDoom	Posted - 2010.07.07 17:37:00 - [183] They are forgeting about one small but very important detail. In some countries using a fake id is not considered a crime as long as its not used for criminal purposes. There are ofcourse other laws about it but i expect to see hundreds of Mr. Smiths on blizzard forum soon as they try that.
Yuki Katsumura Caldari Carthage Industries	Posted - 2010.07.07 17:42:00 - [184] Edited by: Yuki Katsumura on 07/07/2010 17:42:50 For one thing, this is a ploy by Blizzard to get money from Face**. This has nothing to do with forum trolls. It will most likely not stop forum trolls. What it will do, is expose people who really ought not be exposed. Remember what 4chan is capable of? They found a chick using just a picture on /b/. They ruined her Facebook (not that bad, but still) because she wouldn't show **. These are the types of people who use the net. All it took was one picture, not a full name, and they found her on Facebook. I doubt it would take very long for them to find out everything else about her. Not you personal army and all, maybe, but they love a good laugh. I'm not saying it will happen without a doubt, I'm not saying it will be common, but considering that there are already people who have been tracked down in MMO's, this would only open up a larger can of worms. Real ID will not stop trolls, it will only make them angry. EDIT: Also, it is required that you have a credit card on your account to post on Blizzard forums, and they use that name, so unless you have fake credit card information (which is a crime in EVERY country, though not really enforced in quite a few), your real name will be used. This is soooo not Zions Child's Alt because he sooooo did not get a ban for soooooo not trolling one of Ekrid's sooo not a troll post. True. Story.
stoicfaux	Posted - 2010.07.07 17:43:00 - [185] Originally by: digitalwanderer Social engineering it huh?,and more to the point me telling you where i live....Listen,i have been playing this game for 7 years,and the only people i've ever told where i was from,were other players who've been playing with me for several years as well,so good luck on me reveiling where i'm from on the forums. The odds are that a lot of players in game are a lot more willing to say where they're from right from the start,so adding that bit of information,with their actual name in the forums when they post is what's freaking people out,but if they do find you,you're the one responsable for giving them a good head start at least,not just the forum name itself. Well... you did say you work at Pratt & Whitney in post 56 and from a couple of other posts you seem knowledgeable about video cards/computer hardware and after a little googling, someone named digitalwanderer seems to haunt a few tech boards with people who do/did play Eve, and from all that I may or may not have found you via a public profile. TSS cert committee? So if I were a crazy internet stalker wanting vengeance on you for some random reason, I would think I've found you, or at least a reasonable surrogate in RL. I think this WoW post succinctly sums up the problems. Read post #5487 about unique names, common names, gender, minors, identify theft, WoW crazies, internet crazies, spammers, safety of blizzard (moderators). ----- "Are you a sociopathic paranoid schizophrenic with accounting skills? We have the game for you! -- Eve, the game of Alts, Economics, Machiavelli, and PvP"
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2010.07.07 17:44:00 - [186] Left we forget Boxxy aswell. And no, Boxxy was not the one who posted her videos on the Chans to start with; It was some random idiot who did and started the whole **storm. She just got caught in amongst it all and ended up having her life ruined is all. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 Originally by:** CCP Fallout Been there. Done that. Need antibiotics.
Yuki Katsumura Caldari Carthage Industries	Posted - 2010.07.07 17:52:00 - [187] Edited by: Yuki Katsumura on 07/07/2010 17:52:50 Originally by: Blane Xero Left we forget Boxxy aswell. And no, Boxxy was not the one who posted her videos on the Chans to start with; It was some random idiot who did and started the whole ****storm. She just got caught in amongst it all and ended up having her life ruined is all. 4Chan, and now WoW Forums. This is soooo not Zions Child's Alt because he sooooo did not get a ban for soooooo not trolling one of Ekrid's sooo not a troll post. True. Story.
Malcanis Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.07.07 18:02:00 - [188] The people who keep yapping on about "consequences" make me laugh, really they do. This scenario is almost exactly like the surveillance and control legislation that was enacted in the US and UK after 9/11 "to fight terrorism". Despite the fact that, on even a quick analysis, it's pretty useless for fighting terrorism. Have you stopped to consider just how this move by Blizzard will inflict these so-called "consequences"? Either Blizzard will do the inflicting, or someone else will. That means spending time and effort doing that. If Blizzard are to be spending this time and effort... why aren't they just doing it now? The only "consequence" they can bring to bear is a ban. But they can do this already, whether or not someone posts on their real name. So how, exactly, will showing people's names enable them to do this more effectively? Blizzard can already SEE your name if they want to. They own your god damb account. They can see your alts. They can see your other accounts on the same credit card. They already have this information about you. They've got your damb credit card number, for god's sake. So how does this help? Explain it to me. What are they able to do with this change that they couldn't do right now? (Or.... are we talking about vigilante justice here? Mob action. Crowd-sourced retribution? Are those the consequences that we're oh-so-very politely alluding to? Because that's a very sharp two-edged sword, mi amigos. Are you absolutely sure you want to get in to an internet **ing contest - which has now suddenly escalated in to real life - with the kind of people who drink bile and vinegar all day, just in case they get a chance to on your wheaties?) No, this is blatantly, obviously and solely about Blizzard selling their customers information to Facebook. All this talk about "cleaning up the forums" is just a smokescreen. Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always** to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.07.07 18:09:00 - [189] It's not about trolling, although that makes a good cover story. This is a step towards making the internet into what the rich and powerful would prefer it to be, and judging from things like this, China appears to be the model they're following. Everything said and done online there is under your real name and ID number, and your internet usage is tracked and monitored down to the minute. They want the internet to become nothing more than a venue for advertisements and rabid consumerism. People don't need to know any more about the world around them than their government run TV tells them. I was planning on buying SC2, but **** this. Not only do i find it a totalitarian move, but if people don't stand up against this now we'll be seeing much more of it. My deepest sympathies. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Barakkus Caelestis Iudicium	Posted - 2010.07.07 18:20:00 - [190] The history and future of Blizzard/Activision/Infinity Ward et all By the way, Activision ruined the Zork series too 20 years ago with Zork Zero... Originally by: CCP Dropbear rofl edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
Miilla	Posted - 2010.07.07 18:25:00 - [191] Edited by: Miilla on 07/07/2010 18:26:40 Best way to defeat this. Stop posting on forums. Make their forums a waste land. You have no other choice really. No forums, they have to fire the staff as they are paying them to do nothing. Best way to beat it, have it hurt their staffing. Make them redundant. By implementing it, they made themselves redundant :) Best own goal in MMO history.
Catherine Frasier	Posted - 2010.07.07 18:41:00 - [192] Originally by: Celestine Santora If you're doing something online to justify people lining up outside your house you probably deserve it Ahh yes, the ever popular "She was wearing a short skirt therefore she deserved to be raped" defence. FYI: However big a **** you are on an internet game forum nothing justifies rl threats, harassment or intimidation. (Lucky for you, eh?)
Miilla	Posted - 2010.07.07 18:42:00 - [193] Edited by: Miilla on 07/07/2010 18:44:15 Originally by: Catherine Frasier Originally by: Celestine Santora If you're doing something online to justify people lining up outside your house you probably deserve it Ahh yes, the ever popular "She was wearing a short skirt therefore she deserved to be raped" defence. FYI: However big a **** you are on an internet game forum nothing justifies rl threats, harassment or intimidation. (Lucky for you, eh?) I guess i deserved those physical real life threats to be cut ear to ear with a knife and so on in Eve? Those players are a DANGER to society. They practice their hatred and bitternes in online games, then get promoted to doing it in real life. They start small, work up the ladder to pedophile, rap ests, murder etc. Nuff said.
Pollictor	Posted - 2010.07.07 18:45:00 - [194] Edited by: Pollictor on 07/07/2010 18:45:59 1. Nobody can use your first and last name for anything. Or your address. For gods sake people there are phone books for anyone to get your name and address at anytime. 2. If it wasn't for the massive Internet balls that people like to grow under their shield of anonymity, forums wouldn't have to do this. It's time for people to start growing a pair in real life. 3. My real life name is Joseph Holtz. waits for world to crash around him
Dan O'Connor Cerberus Network Dignitas.	Posted - 2010.07.07 18:46:00 - [195] Edited by: Dan O''Connor on 07/07/2010 18:46:56 Originally by: Pollictor 3. My real life name is Joseph Holtz. Go nuts evil doers. waits for world to crash around him Enjoy your Forum vacation. Item DB \| Sigs
Miilla	Posted - 2010.07.07 18:49:00 - [196] Originally by: Pollictor Edited by: Pollictor on 07/07/2010 18:45:59 1. Nobody can use your first and last name for anything. Or your address. For gods sake people there are phone books for anyone to get your name and address at anytime. 2. If it wasn't for the massive Internet balls that people like to grow under their shield of anonymity, forums wouldn't have to do this. It's time for people to start growing a pair in real life. 3. My real life name is Personal information removed. Zymurgist. waits for world to crash around him* Not a good idea, the WoW forum moderator did this, he got a full profile posted on him online in minutes. Also, you are breaking forum rules.
Catherine Frasier	Posted - 2010.07.07 18:49:00 - [197] Originally by: Miilla I guess i deserved those physical real life threats to be cut ear to ear with a knife and so on in Eve? Those players are a DANGER to society. They practice their hatred and bitternes in online games, then get promoted to doing it in real life. They start small, work up the ladder to pedophile, rap ests, murder etc. Nuff said. Reading Comprehension, it's an important skill, please train it to at least level 1 before participating in the forums.
Ganagati Caldari Dark Ashes	Posted - 2010.07.07 18:50:00 - [198] Heh as much as it affects us, imagine how it affects celebrities. I'm going to die laughing when WoW forums converts all the names over to real names on forums and we see the past 2 years worth of major trolling will show up under "William Shatner"
Messoroz	Posted - 2010.07.07 18:51:00 - [199] Real ID is a sad attempt to cash in on the facebook droves, just watch, they will allow Facebook connect logins within a few months.
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2010.07.07 18:52:00 - [200] Originally by: Pollictor Edited by: Pollictor on 07/07/2010 18:45:59 1. Nobody can use your first and last name for anything. Or your address. For gods sake people there are phone books for anyone to get your name and address at anytime. Phone book information can be removed on request. I know for a fact my information is not in the phone book. Originally by: Pollictor 2. If it wasn't for the massive Internet balls that people like to grow under their shield of anonymity, forums wouldn't have to do this. It's time for people to start growing a pair in real life. They don't have to do this; They have to employ mods that do their job and try their damned not to ** people off en-masse which in turn causes trolling. Originally by:** Pollictor 3. My real life name is . waits for world to crash around him You're a moron. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 Originally by: CCP Fallout Been there. Done that. Need antibiotics.
Terrigal	Posted - 2010.07.07 18:53:00 - [201] Edited by: Terrigal on 07/07/2010 18:54:55 One thing to remember and a warning to all gaming companies who think this is a good idea. To many people take the game(s) they play way to seriously and pure hatreds are formed and if John Doe (sorry John) has to post using his real name it wouldnt be too hard with a bit of determination and detective work to actually track that person in Rl. Now if something happened to poor John ie Assulted, Burgled, or heaven help us murdered and then the perpertrater is caught and when questioned and asked how did you find John he replies i found out who he was and it all started from a game forum where i saw his real name. People are crazy enough to do this sorta thing and a smart laywer will drag this company into this and that company may become an accessory to the crime. So if they want to introduce this system of using real names individual countries laws will have to be changed to obsolve gaming companies of any responsibilty should a worse case senario occur. A big can of worms is about to be opened and ha blizzard I hope you introduce this and you being an american company your the first to go down.
Miilla	Posted - 2010.07.07 18:54:00 - [202] Originally by: Blane Xero Originally by: Pollictor Edited by: Pollictor on 07/07/2010 18:45:59 1. Nobody can use your first and last name for anything. Or your address. For gods sake people there are phone books for anyone to get your name and address at anytime. Phone book information can be removed on request. I know for a fact my information is not in the phone book. No but you vote most likely, therefore you are on the electoral register, which is public in every library, and a lot of people have hobbies listed on the internet along with a social site, or some other. Easy to find and profile.
Pollictor	Posted - 2010.07.07 18:56:00 - [203] Originally by: Miilla Originally by: Pollictor Edited by: Pollictor on 07/07/2010 18:45:59 Not a good idea, the WoW forum moderator did this, he got a full profile posted on him online in minutes. Also, you are breaking forum rules. I'm a dentist in Escondido, CA. Or maybe I'm a CPA in Honolulu. No wait...I'm a Anesthesiologist in Munster, IN. Seriously, the paranoia that people have these days is freaking astonishing.
Dan O'Connor Cerberus Network Dignitas.	Posted - 2010.07.07 18:56:00 - [204] Originally by: Miilla Originally by: Pollictor Edited by: Pollictor on 07/07/2010 18:45:59 1. Nobody can use your first and last name for anything. Or your address. For gods sake people there are phone books for anyone to get your name and address at anytime. 2. If it wasn't for the massive Internet balls that people like to grow under their shield of anonymity, forums wouldn't have to do this. It's time for people to start growing a pair in real life. 3. My real life name is Personal information removed. Zymurgist. waits for world to crash around him* Not a good idea, the WoW forum moderator did this, he got a full profile posted on him online in minutes. Also, you are breaking forum rules. I believe to already have found him on Facebook - as there is only one with that name. Item DB \| Sigs
Miilla	Posted - 2010.07.07 18:59:00 - [205] Originally by: Pollictor Originally by: Miilla Originally by: Pollictor Edited by: Pollictor on 07/07/2010 18:45:59 Not a good idea, the WoW forum moderator did this, he got a full profile posted on him online in minutes. Also, you are breaking forum rules. I'm a dentist in Escondido, CA. Or maybe I'm a CPA in Honolulu. No wait...I'm a Anesthesiologist in Munster, IN. Seriously, the paranoia that people have these days is freaking astonishing. Paranoid? I'm not living in a country where most people (Americans) are running scared of an invisible boogey man runnign around in some mountian range and roll over at the drop of a hat for some faux safety because some TV News station says so.
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2010.07.07 19:00:00 - [206] Originally by: Miilla Originally by: Blane Xero Originally by: Pollictor Edited by: Pollictor on 07/07/2010 18:45:59 1. Nobody can use your first and last name for anything. Or your address. For gods sake people there are phone books for anyone to get your name and address at anytime. Phone book information can be removed on request. I know for a fact my information is not in the phone book. No but you vote most likely, therefore you are on the electoral register, which is public in every library, and a lot of people have hobbies listed on the internet along with a social site, or some other. Easy to find and profile. I redirect you to this. I would say I don't vote, but that would make me look like a complete moron. I am, by the way. Not even registered yet. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 Originally by: CCP Fallout Been there. Done that. Need antibiotics.
Maluminse Caldari Out Siders	Posted - 2010.07.07 19:00:00 - [207] Originally by: Celestine Santora Originally by: Maluminse Has anyone thought about people who IRL hold positions and names that are easily googlable, and prefer to remain anonymous so some 4chan people [or EVE forums people for that matter] don't end up outside their front windows? Anyone? If you're doing something online to justify people lining up outside your house you probably deserve it Man kills kitten because it unplugged his video game Boy kills father because of video game ban You're right. This world isn't full of people with mental issues that play video games and would harm someone in real life because of something that occurred in a digital world. Are you new to the world? That issue aside, there's also the basic fact that people don't want someone with such flawed reasoning like yourself to know where they live / what they do.
Catherine Frasier	Posted - 2010.07.07 19:01:00 - [208] Originally by: Pollictor 2. If it wasn't for the massive Internet balls that people like to grow under their shield of anonymity, forums wouldn't have to do this. It's time for people to start growing a pair in real life. Excellent! The cure for identity theft, harassment and stalking is... Bravado! The "Bring It On!" school of self defence. That is what you meant by "grow a pair" right? You were implying that conspicuous bravery has something to do with ********, yes? It's always interesting how stupidity and misogyny so often come as a package deal. WTF CCP, ******* is censored? Grundyite overkill or what? So in an effort to police language you force us** to say things like "nads" or "nards" or "big fat hairy huevos"? Clever, very clever.
Malcanis Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.07.07 19:02:00 - [209] Originally by: Celestine Santora Originally by: Maluminse Has anyone thought about people who IRL hold positions and names that are easily googlable, and prefer to remain anonymous so some 4chan people [or EVE forums people for that matter] don't end up outside their front windows? Anyone? If you're doing something online to justify people lining up outside your house you probably deserve it Oh really? Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
Pollictor	Posted - 2010.07.07 19:03:00 - [210] Originally by: Dan O'Connor Originally by: Miilla Originally by: Pollictor Edited by: Pollictor on 07/07/2010 18:45:59 I believe to already have found him on Facebook - as there is only one with that name. Well then, that definitely must be me. The idiot who forgot to change his privacy settings. Congrats.
Barakkus Caelestis Iudicium	Posted - 2010.07.07 19:05:00 - [211] Originally by: Pollictor Originally by: Miilla Originally by: Pollictor Edited by: Pollictor on 07/07/2010 18:45:59 Not a good idea, the WoW forum moderator did this, he got a full profile posted on him online in minutes. Also, you are breaking forum rules. I'm a dentist in Escondido, CA. Or maybe I'm a CPA in Honolulu. No wait...I'm a Anesthesiologist in Munster, IN. Seriously, the paranoia that people have these days is freaking astonishing. It's not very difficult to find the city someone resides in if you craft your replies to someone on a forum to capture their IP address, granted you'll have a few to go through, but you'd be able to narrow it down pretty quickly. After that it wouldn't be very hard to start narrowing down which one you are in that city if your name isn't very unique, if it is then you pretty much have insta access to any information you need. Originally by: CCP Dropbear rofl edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
Miilla	Posted - 2010.07.07 19:06:00 - [212] Originally by: Barakkus Originally by: Pollictor Originally by: Miilla Originally by: Pollictor Edited by: Pollictor on 07/07/2010 18:45:59 Not a good idea, the WoW forum moderator did this, he got a full profile posted on him online in minutes. Also, you are breaking forum rules. I'm a dentist in Escondido, CA. Or maybe I'm a CPA in Honolulu. No wait...I'm a Anesthesiologist in Munster, IN. Seriously, the paranoia that people have these days is freaking astonishing. It's not very difficult to find the city someone resides in if you craft your replies to someone on a forum to capture their IP address, granted you'll have a few to go through, but you'd be able to narrow it down pretty quickly. After that it wouldn't be very hard to start narrowing down which one you are in that city if your name isn't very unique, if it is then you pretty much have insta access to any information you need. Or who cares if its accurate, lets get the person we found anyway and take it out on him. Mistaken identities never happen in real life threats nope not once not ever.

CCP Adida C C P C C P Alliance	Posted - 2010.07.07 19:09:00 - [213] Locking because this thread has over step the limits on talking about other companies and games. There is a current topic in OOP on the same subject where you are able to link to other games and such. The thread is located here: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1349055 Adida Community Rep CCP Hf, EVE Online

Pollictor	Posted - 2010.07.07 19:10:00 - [214] Originally by: Catherine Frasier Originally by: Pollictor 2. If it wasn't for the massive Internet balls that people like to grow under their shield of anonymity, forums wouldn't have to do this. It's time for people to start growing a pair in real life. Excellent! The cure for identity theft, harassment and stalking is... Bravado! The "Bring It On!" school of self defence. That is what you meant by "grow a pair" right? You were implying that conspicuous bravery has something to do with ********, yes? It's always interesting how stupidity and misogyny so often come as a package deal. WTF CCP, ******* is censored? Grundyite overkill or what? So in an effort to police language you force us to say things like "nads" or "nards" or "big fat hairy huevos"? Clever, very clever. Once again, you need more info than a name and an address to get your identity stolen**. As far as stalking is concerned, get over yourself. Your not that important.
AterraX Caldari	Posted - 2010.07.07 19:19:00 - [215] I can only link to this thread: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1349055 I have posted my IRL name there. A unique name, that only I have in all the world. No one has done anything but whine-troll. Noo ne has dug up any info on me. Say it all. Trolls figthing for their survival in overgear with fallcies, but nothing to show. Again, prove me wrong and dig up **** about me...or HTFU, trolls. (besides my name and country which I have posted myself in that thread) ____________________________________________________________________________________________________ Fact of EVE forums: They will always come an anounomys alt-toon and question someones character...

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