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Strike Severasse
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Posted - 2012.07.21 15:46:00 -
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CCP needs ppl in low and null sec for Dust 514 to work. EVE needs Dust 514 to do well and get EVE subscriptions Increasing.
These are facts, plain and simple.
Others already know it.... Dust comments... http://mabricksmumblings.blogspot.ca/2012/07/do-i-belong-in-high-sec.html
So the problem is how to make high sec types want to go into low and null sec right?
Those in low and null sec are already there doing what CCP wants you to do, so unless being constructive, need not comment.
How to Get HighSec types into Low and Null (aka lower sec) ?? What's stops them? How can it be fixed? CCP has already started to nurf high sec rewards. CCP is starting down the path and it's about time! I've got friends lining up for a more mixed up game play. It's not going to be halo vs ponies anymore.
Some thoughts....
1 Stargate Camping at entry points Like it or not, choke points prevent high sec types from entering lower sec. Argue all you want but entry systems are choke points that make most of EVE players skip the fun of lowersec. I know camping busy gates, choke points, is fun ..but in the end, it would be more fun to hunt in space then camp, really. On top of that, without choke points, hunting would offer much better ships and skill options as we would see bigger and more expensive ships in lower secs.
CCP needs to fix this, offer paid gates or random gates, something, anything, Fix it and campers get use to it. You will love it in the end and you know it or are to stupid to realize. So you know it right!
2 Multi Warp Locks and stacking points CCP is already trying to fix this with the new mod that minimally offers some help from multiple points. CCP did this for a reason. Now they have to step up the value of the anti-point module. Love it or scream but it will lead to better PVP and more PVP as high sec types will have a chance to escape. Give them a possible escape option and they will weigh the risks, get the right balance and they will come to lower secs.
3 Risk vs Reward Here's the tricky one, those that are already in lower sec can milk their systems when not contested. Reward should be a simple formula based on true sec status. Something that says if a system is being contested, then rewards should go up for rats, loot, whatever the method.
4 Sec Status This is the simplest fix, let low standing fight low standing in low sec without a sec hit. This makes more fun for all while giving low standing ppl access to high sec markets. More PVP and easier to make and spend ISPs.
We all need to evolve this game so more want to play all the aspects of the game. Offer more options and subscriptions go up. We don't need more mission types, or high sec toys, we need easier options to mix up sec space.
Dust will force huge changes on us, that's fact. Let's start making the adjustments so now.
AGAIN, constructive comments, not whining about how you love hate camping and it's all perfect, cause it ain't! ...and no whining about getting your ship blown up cause now you have a better chance to explore all of Eve!
Live safe or dangerously but live and have fun, PVP and PVE.... Let's get the high sec population to come on down! . |
Din Chao
Seraphim Initiative
26
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Posted - 2012.07.21 15:58:00 -
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Strike Severasse wrote:CCP needs ppl in low and null sec for Dust 514 to work. EVE needs Dust 514 to do well and get EVE subscriptions Increasing.
These are facts, plain and simple. These are opinions.
Stopped reading here. |
Danfen Fenix
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Posted - 2012.07.21 16:03:00 -
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There is an anti pont module...
It's called a warp core stabiliser
Unless you're on about the one that occasinally breaks locks ? |
Dave stark
Bombardier Inc
201
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Posted - 2012.07.21 16:04:00 -
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low sec is the most pointless area of the game from a miners perspective; it offers nothing.
null sec has the security of guarenteed grav sites to mine in; meaning any one who wants to gank you HAS to scan you down. along with this both high sec and null sec ores are more isk/hour than low sec ores, currently.
in short the risk vs reward factor for low sec mining is terrible. most dangerous, and least rewarding. why would you mine there? Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
Dave stark
Bombardier Inc
201
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Posted - 2012.07.21 16:05:00 -
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Danfen Fenix wrote:There is an anti pont module... It's called a warp core stabiliser Unless you're on about the one that occasinally breaks locks ?
and if 2 frigates tackle you, you need 4 of them to escape. (unless there's a limit on -warp strength that i'm unaware of) Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
Strike Severasse
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Posted - 2012.07.21 16:10:00 -
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Danfen Fenix wrote:There is an anti pont module... It's called a warp core stabiliser Unless you're on about the one that occasinally breaks locks ?
Yes the new target spectrum breaker thou it hardly helPs.... Yet . |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
1087
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Posted - 2012.07.21 16:10:00 -
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There are plenty in null, and plenty in low who do PI.
Also, EVE has succeeded for 9 years without DUST. It will do fine even if DUST only pays for itself. |
stoicfaux
1270
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Posted - 2012.07.21 16:14:00 -
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Low-sec is "useless" because it's full of random, mindless PvP. If you want low-sec to be useful then it needs some "empire building" ability, (i.e. the ability for players to create security and stability so they can build a "town" (aka civilization)) otherwise it will always be a lawless wasteland. No one is going to bother investing in low-sec if they're just going to get steamrolled by pirates or an alliance. No profit, no low-sec colonization.
And if low-sec ever becomes civilized, then the pirates are just going to start whining about no longer being able to effectively function in low-sec.
Just be done with it and replace low-sec with null-sec.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Strike Severasse
14
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Posted - 2012.07.21 16:17:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:There are plenty in null, and plenty in low who do PI.
Also, EVE has succeeded for 9 years without DUST. It will do fine even if DUST only pays for itself.
True but there is still alot in high, most even, ....and CCP is already making the changes to 'enhance' null for high sec'rs . |
Bootleg Jack
Potters Field
185
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Posted - 2012.07.21 16:19:00 -
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Strike Severasse wrote:... So the problem is how to make high sec types want to go into low and null sec right?...
Nope, dead wrong, as we learned in UO, drawing PvE players into a PvP zone is not the answer, it is a good way to kill off a game though.
The way to populate a PvP zone is to make the PvP not suck, then the millions of PvPers world wide will sign up.
Right now the game is setup to feed new PvPers as fodder to existing players.
As long as CCP squanders it's new customer base this way long term subs will not increase.
I'm an American, English is my second language... |
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Strike Severasse
14
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Posted - 2012.07.21 16:19:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:Low-sec is "useless" because it's full of random, mindless PvP. If you want low-sec to be useful then it needs some "empire building" ability, (i.e. the ability for players to create security and stability so they can build a "town" (aka civilization)) otherwise it will always be a lawless wasteland. No one is going to bother investing in low-sec if they're just going to get steamrolled by pirates or an alliance. No profit, no low-sec colonization.
And if low-sec ever becomes civilized, then the pirates are just going to start whining about no longer being able to effectively function in low-sec.
Just be done with it and replace low-sec with null-sec.
Gotta agree with you, now if homesteads came to low, little private stations that CCP once talked about, then yes, low sec would be a great place to mix it up! . |
Strike Severasse
14
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Posted - 2012.07.21 16:21:00 -
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Bootleg Jack wrote:Strike Severasse wrote:... So the problem is how to make high sec types want to go into low and null sec right?... Nope, dead wrong, as we learned in UO, drawing PvE players into a PvP zone is not the answer, it is a good way to kill off a game though. The way to populate a PvP zone is to make the PvP not suck, then the millions of PvPers world wide will sign up.
Right now the game is setup to feed new PvPers as fodder to existing players. As long as CCP squanders it's new customer base this way long term subs will not increase. Same end result, make PvP viable to all. And get ppl wanting to jump into null more more more . |
Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
264
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Posted - 2012.07.21 16:27:00 -
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Just another nonsensical thread trying to force high sec players into low sec, its not going to happen, get over it. They can nerf high sec all they want, it will just cause most high-seccers to play other games. Unless you enjoy blobbing and being a slave to some egotistical leader of a large alliance who enjoys hearing himself yell in teamspeak, low and null has nothing to offer. But thats just one bunnies opinion. |
Strike Severasse
14
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Posted - 2012.07.21 16:34:00 -
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Bunnie Hop wrote:Just another nonsensical thread trying to force high sec players into low sec, its not going to happen, get over it. They can nerf high sec all they want, it will just cause most high-seccers to play other games. Unless you enjoy blobbing and being a slave to some egotistical leader of a large alliance who enjoys hearing himself yell in teamspeak, low and null has nothing to offer. But thats just one bunnies opinion.
Well bunnies are allowed .. Lol
Agree, null needs homesteads, private lil stations like CCP talked about last year AND Secure entry and parking would make the rewards worthy it.
Of course anyone can Excel spreadsheet there way to billions but then, just do it in RL.. And make real pesos
I want some action even if not Call of Duty level....lol . |
Elvis Fett
The 12th Legion Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2012.07.21 16:40:00 -
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Andrea Roche
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.21 16:46:00 -
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Here is something i noticed. With the ability of super caps in low sec its really hard to setup a pos. Supercaps just get throw and reinforce pos with ease. This is very very hard to handle by alliances coming from high sec. Most alliances coming from high sec have very few capital pilots and almost no supers pilots. Its not worth the trouble to move to low sec if all you are gonna have to do is rep pos every time it geets renforced by super caps or evn worst get hot droped by supers. |
Sheynan
Lighting the blight
24
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Posted - 2012.07.21 16:52:00 -
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Well CCP clearly wants to get people in Lowsec/Nullsec because playing there is more interesting and everyone playing there is more likely to play EVE for ages to come. I know this does not apply to pretty much everyone who is from highsec and posts in this forum but those people are actually a small minority of highsec dwellers. Most new players that stay in highsec stay there for a month or two run missions or mine until they get bored to hell with EVE and leave again for better games (And rightfully so). But if they get sucked into the sandbox-way of things, into lowsec/nullsec they stay, they learn how the game works and they get attached to it (as a bonus a lot of them get alt-accounts) |
iskflakes
Magnets Inc.
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Posted - 2012.07.21 16:53:00 -
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Andrea Roche wrote:Here is something i noticed. With the ability of super caps in low sec its really hard to setup a pos. Supercaps just get throw and reinforce pos with ease. This is very very hard to handle by alliances coming from high sec. Most alliances coming from high sec have very few capital pilots and almost no supers pilots. Its not worth the trouble to move to low sec if all you are gonna have to do is rep pos every time it geets renforced by super caps or evn worst get hot droped by supers.
Protip: Fighters/bombers can't hit towers, and nobody takes a titan to a POS bash. So no, your POS did not get killed by supers. |
Sheynan
Lighting the blight
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Posted - 2012.07.21 16:56:00 -
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what iskflakes said |
Gus Gallente
The Order of Cerberus
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Posted - 2012.07.21 16:57:00 -
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CSM Issler Dainze really should see this thread. |
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Bootleg Jack
Potters Field
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Posted - 2012.07.21 16:59:00 -
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Strike Severasse wrote:Bootleg Jack wrote:Strike Severasse wrote:... So the problem is how to make high sec types want to go into low and null sec right?... Nope, dead wrong, as we learned in UO, drawing PvE players into a PvP zone is not the answer, it is a good way to kill off a game though. The way to populate a PvP zone is to make the PvP not suck, then the millions of PvPers world wide will sign up.
Right now the game is setup to feed new PvPers as fodder to existing players. As long as CCP squanders it's new customer base this way long term subs will not increase. DEAD Right Same end result, make PvP viable to all.. AND make null more accessible... get ppl wanting to jump into null more more more.. And the game is about more then just PVP.. Else you'd all be playing Call o Duty
Look, it is so simple maybe even you can understand it.
1. Because of the suck ass quality of other FiS games EvE, even though it is a PvP game ("Everyone Versus Everyone"), ended up having the best FiS PvE.
2. The bears, they don't PvP, if you want to lure them to null as fodder you can do that, EA tried that with champion scrolls which hosed PvP, to get bears to PvP you have to either reduce risk or increase reward.
3. If you reduce risk you end up with bear v bear PvP like WoW.
4. If you increase reward the bears will come for the reward and go right back to high with it, just like champion scrolls in UO.
It is a fools errand to look at those bears as potential PvPers. I'm an American, English is my second language... |
Gorinia Sanford
Sons of Russ
25
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Posted - 2012.07.21 17:00:00 -
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Strike Severasse wrote:
*snip*
How to Get HighSec types into Low and Null (aka lower sec) ?? What's stops them? How can it be fixed? CCP has already started to nurf high sec rewards. CCP is starting down the path and it's about time! I've got friends lining up for a more mixed up game play. It's not going to be halo vs ponies anymore.
*snip*
Personally, in my case, it's a matter of training. I wish to train up more combat skills before I jump into low/null sec. And secondly, a matter of training for my corporation. We have quite a few new members and we're bringing them up to speed. But training does take time.
So in the meantime, we mine ore and ice in high sec, work the PI angle as well and basically shoot the bull in corp chat. We'll move to lowsec when we're damn good and ready and not a moment before nor at the behest of folks who think we should do it right friggin' now.
And to be honest, I don't give a rat's rear end about Dust. I don't play console games, I've always thought PC's offered superior control. And I definitely don't like associating with foul mouthed 12 year-olds, which is another reason I'm not a console gamer. If Dust fails, I honestly could care less, so long as Eve continues to function. |
Ptraci
3 R Corporation The Irukandji
569
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Posted - 2012.07.21 17:01:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:low sec is the most pointless area of the game from a miners perspective; it offers nothing.
But from a miner's perspective, EVE offers very little anyway.
High sec - poor ore choice, suicide gankers. Low sec - poor ore choice, pirates Nullsec - to mine you have to give up 20+M bounty wallet ticks from doing havens, have to deal with cloaky campers and enemy gangs/fleets, plus you have refinery losses or station taxes, and THEN factor in losing a hauler once in a while if you ship your ore out. Not as profitable as (mining hours/cycle time * m3 * ore price) would let you believe. |
Gorinia Sanford
Sons of Russ
25
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Posted - 2012.07.21 17:03:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:Danfen Fenix wrote:There is an anti pont module... It's called a warp core stabiliser Unless you're on about the one that occasinally breaks locks ? and if 2 frigates tackle you, you need 4 of them to escape. (unless there's a limit on -warp strength that i'm unaware of)
One of our corp officers has a frigate (forget the type) with four warp core stabilizers installed and a cloak. He calls it his BPO runner. :) |
Plaude Pollard
Crimson Cartel
56
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Posted - 2012.07.21 17:04:00 -
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Danfen Fenix wrote:There is an anti pont module... It's called a warp core stabiliser Unless you're on about the one that occasinally breaks locks ? I've heard about that. It's called ECM. |
Ursula Thrace
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
127
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Posted - 2012.07.21 17:05:00 -
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Strike Severasse wrote:Those in low and null sec are already there doing what CCP wants you to do
and here i was playing the game the way i wanted to - how stupid of me. then, pray tell, why was high sec even created? please step down from your throne before you answer.
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Sun Win
Kill It With Fire
20
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Posted - 2012.07.21 17:16:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:Low-sec is "useless" because it's full of random, mindless PvP. If you want low-sec to be useful then it needs some "empire building" ability.
Yes, if only there was some way (Faction War) for people to have (Faction War) a reason to fight in (Faction War) low sec. It's a real shame that there is (Faction War) nothing for people to do in (Faction War) low sec. It's really too bad (Faction War) there is no motivator or mechanism (Faction War) for people to take control of systems in low sec. What sucks the most is you can't have a homestead. If only you could set up a safe place in low sec to call your own, perhaps on a moon.
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Virgil Travis
GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated
472
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Posted - 2012.07.21 17:30:00 -
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Din Chao wrote:Strike Severasse wrote:CCP needs ppl in low and null sec for Dust 514 to work. EVE needs Dust 514 to do well and get EVE subscriptions Increasing.
These are facts, plain and simple. These are opinions. Stopped reading here.
Me too, not facts, not substantiated by any evidence, just opinions pure and simple. Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method Mamma didn't raise no victims. |
Strike Severasse
14
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Posted - 2012.07.21 17:49:00 -
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Ahhhhh American is your first language, so first nation native I hope, or another euro immigrant?
K to DF it for you... In your mothers tongue...
Evolve or die.. Into the sunset as all complacent nations do. (Eden being a nation in game of course, never meaning the us of a would ever be complacent... Lol )
See I think progression is good for a game same as for a country. Evolve, include and all have a better chance to prosper.. And enjoy the fun.
High sec is the 99% maybe ? To funny
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Strike Severasse
14
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Posted - 2012.07.21 17:50:00 -
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Virgil Travis wrote:Din Chao wrote:Strike Severasse wrote:CCP needs ppl in low and null sec for Dust 514 to work. EVE needs Dust 514 to do well and get EVE subscriptions Increasing.
These are facts, plain and simple. These are opinions. Stopped reading here. Me too, not facts, not substantiated by any evidence, just opinions pure and simple.
I agree with your opinion as well.
Just so happens more agree with mine . |
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