CCP needs ppl in low and null sec for Dust 514 to work.
EVE needs Dust 514 to do well and get EVE subscriptions Increasing.

These are facts, plain and simple.

There is an anti pont module...

It's called a warp core stabiliser

Unless you're on about the one that occasinally breaks locks ?

There is an anti pont module...

It's called a warp core stabiliser

Unless you're on about the one that occasinally breaks locks ?

There are plenty in null, and plenty in low who do PI.

Also, EVE has succeeded for 9 years without DUST. It will do fine even if DUST only pays for itself.

...
So the problem is how to make high sec types want to go into low and null sec right?...

Low-sec is "useless" because it's full of random, mindless PvP. If you want low-sec to be useful then it needs some "empire building" ability, (i.e. the ability for players to create security and stability so they can build a "town" (aka civilization)) otherwise it will always be a lawless wasteland. No one is going to bother investing in low-sec if they're just going to get steamrolled by pirates or an alliance. No profit, no low-sec colonization.

And if low-sec ever becomes civilized, then the pirates are just going to start whining about no longer being able to effectively function in low-sec.

Just be done with it and replace low-sec with null-sec.

Nope, dead wrong, as we learned in UO, drawing PvE players into a PvP zone is not the answer, it is a good way to kill off a game though.

The way to populate a PvP zone is to make the PvP not suck, then the millions of PvPers world wide will sign up.

Right now the game is setup to feed new PvPers as fodder to existing players.

As long as CCP squanders it's new customer base this way long term subs will not increase.

Just another nonsensical thread trying to force high sec players into low sec, its not going to happen, get over it. They can nerf high sec all they want, it will just cause most high-seccers to play other games. Unless you enjoy blobbing and being a slave to some egotistical leader of a large alliance who enjoys hearing himself yell in teamspeak, low and null has nothing to offer. But thats just one bunnies opinion.

Here is something i noticed.
With the ability of super caps in low sec its really hard to setup a pos. Supercaps just get throw and reinforce pos with ease.
This is very very hard to handle by alliances coming from high sec. Most alliances coming from high sec have very few capital pilots and almost no supers pilots.
Its not worth the trouble to move to low sec if all you are gonna have to do is rep pos every time it geets renforced by super caps or evn worst get hot droped by supers.

DEAD Right
Same end result, make PvP viable to all.. AND make null more accessible... get ppl wanting to jump into null more more more..

And the game is about more then just PVP.. Else you'd all be playing Call o Duty

*snip*

How to Get HighSec types into Low and Null (aka lower sec) ?? What's stops them? How can it be fixed?
CCP has already started to nurf high sec rewards. CCP is starting down the path and it's about time! I've got friends lining up for a more mixed up game play. It's not going to be halo vs ponies anymore.

*snip*

low sec is the most pointless area of the game from a miners perspective; it offers nothing.

and if 2 frigates tackle you, you need 4 of them to escape. (unless there's a limit on -warp strength that i'm unaware of)

There is an anti pont module...

It's called a warp core stabiliser

Unless you're on about the one that occasinally breaks locks ?

Those in low and null sec are already there doing what CCP wants you to do

Low-sec is "useless" because it's full of random, mindless PvP. If you want low-sec to be useful then it needs some "empire building" ability.

These are opinions.

Stopped reading here.

Me too, not facts, not substantiated by any evidence, just opinions pure and simple.

Yes, if only there was some way (Faction War) for people to have (Faction War) a reason to fight in (Faction War) low sec. It's a real shame that there is (Faction War) nothing for people to do in (Faction War) low sec. It's really too bad (Faction War) there is no motivator or mechanism (Faction War) for people to take control of systems in low sec. What sucks the most is you can't have a homestead. If only you could set up a safe place in low sec to call your own, perhaps on a moon.

But from a miner's perspective, EVE offers very little anyway.

High sec - poor ore choice, suicide gankers.
Low sec - poor ore choice, pirates
Nullsec - to mine you have to give up 20+M bounty wallet ticks from doing havens, have to deal with cloaky campers and enemy gangs/fleets, plus you have refinery losses or station taxes, and THEN factor in losing a hauler once in a while if you ship your ore out. Not as profitable as (mining hours/cycle time * m3 * ore price) would let you believe.

I've been in null. ItGÇÖs boring. The corporations are full of politics and narcissist. I get enough of that at work.

CCP needs ppl in low and null sec for Dust 514 to work.

Just another nonsensical thread trying to force high sec players into low sec, its not going to happen, get over it. They can nerf high sec all they want, it will just cause most high-seccers to play other games. Unless you enjoy playing the game in a part of space where the risk of being blown up is non-zero. But thats just one bunnies opinion.

in short the risk vs reward factor for low sec mining is terrible. most dangerous, and least rewarding. why would you mine there?

No suicide ganking there?

4 Sec Status
This is the simplest fix, let low standing fight low standing in low sec without a sec hit. This makes more fun for all while giving low standing ppl access to high sec markets. More PVP and easier to make and spend ISPs.

There is an anti pont module...

It's called a warp core stabiliser

Unless you're on about the one that occasinally breaks locks ?

Heard of a heavy interdictor?

Heard of a heavy interdictor?

I'm a highsec carebear.

I stay and play in high sec, i don't pvp, WHY?

Because pvp is all about numbers. its too 1 sided.

If i get jumped by a gang of pirates, I'm dead, GAME OVER. plain and simple.

It dosn't matter how much sp i have, it dosen't matter what ship i fly or how it is fitted, it dosen't matter how experienced or good i am at playing the game.

There is no hope or chance for me to fight my way out and escape or even take 1 or more of my attackers down with me.

most likely i will be pointed and dampened and dead within seconds before i can even target an attacking ship.

That is not fun, that is a gang of bullies beating up on someone they know damn well cannot fight back.

For me the risk Far outweighs any potential reward.

The ships in eve are made of paper, they die far too quickly and far too easerly. there is no epic battle, its primary target, click f1 to f8 sit back and watch target die in under 30 seconds.

Now i've played in low and null sec, i've been part pf a major alliance thats owned territory, i've been in CTA battles which involved flying 20 jumps into enemy teritory and then getting popped in seconds by 20+ enemy ships calling primery on me,

sitting back and thinking now that was fun !!!NOT!!!.

Now if you wanna get me back into low / null sec you need to give me a fighting chance. ships need to get segnificantly stronger.

If i get jumped by a gang of pirates, i wanna be able to put up a fight that will last several minutes. i wanna be able to shoot back and maybe take 1 or 2 smaller/weaker ships down with me.

A fight i can get my teeth into and not be over in under 30 sec.

Give me a fighting chance and rewards worth the risk and i will return to low / null sec.

Until then, I'll stick high sec and the industrial side of the game.

Personally, in my case, it's a matter of training. I wish to train up more combat skills before I jump into low/null sec. And secondly, a matter of training for my corporation. We have quite a few new members and we're bringing them up to speed. But training does take time.

So in the meantime, we mine ore and ice in high sec, work the PI angle as well and basically shoot the bull in corp chat. We'll move to lowsec when we're damn good and ready and not a moment before nor at the behest of folks who think we should do it right friggin' now.

And to be honest, I don't give a rat's rear end about Dust. I don't play console games, I've always thought PC's offered superior control. And I definitely don't like associating with foul mouthed 12 year-olds, which is another reason I'm not a console gamer. If Dust fails, I honestly could care less, so long as Eve continues to function.

and here i was playing the game the way i wanted to - how stupid of me. then, pray tell, why was high sec even created? please step down from your throne before you answer.

and here i was playing the game the way i wanted to - how stupid of me. then, pray tell, why was high sec even created? please step down from your throne before you answer.

I'm sorry OP but I had to stop at the point that you think all entry gates are 'choke points' that are 'impossible to get past'.

Low-sec is "useless" because it's full of random, mindless PvP. If you want low-sec to be useful then it needs some "empire building" ability, (i.e. the ability for players to create security and stability so they can build a "town" (aka civilization)) otherwise it will always be a lawless wasteland. No one is going to bother investing in low-sec if they're just going to get steamrolled by pirates or an alliance. No profit, no low-sec colonization.

And if low-sec ever becomes civilized, then the pirates are just going to start whining about no longer being able to effectively function in low-sec.

Just be done with it and replace low-sec with null-sec.

CCP needs ppl in low and null sec for Dust 514 to work.
EVE needs Dust 514 to do well and get EVE subscriptions Increasing.

These are facts, plain and simple.

fixed that for you

CCP needs ppl in low and null sec for Dust 514 to work.
EVE needs Dust 514 to do well and get EVE subscriptions Increasing.

These are facts, plain and simple.

Yes, because if we don't all think like a goon we must need fixing...another reason to avoid the null and low sec group, you lose your sense of individuality and become part of the collective. Drone on.

oh no not my space individuality

next argument

Yawn why bother, talking with a goon is like talking to a dog, both just yap at you and say nothing.

what i'm saying is that you should stop masking your risk aversion with dumb crap like "my individuality" and "i'm a casual player" because you feel entitled to nullsec levels of income with hisec convenience and safety

Opinions, plain and simple.

I'm a highsec carebear.

I stay and play in high sec, i don't pvp, WHY?

Because pvp is all about numbers. its too 1 sided.

If i get jumped by a gang of pirates, I'm dead, GAME OVER. plain and simple.

It dosn't matter how much sp i have, it dosen't matter what ship i fly or how it is fitted, it dosen't matter how experienced or good i am at playing the game.

There is no hope or chance for me to fight my way out and escape or even take 1 or more of my attackers down with me.

most likely i will be pointed and dampened and dead within seconds before i can even target an attacking ship.

That is not fun, that is a gang of bullies beating up on someone they know damn well cannot fight back.

For me the risk Far outweighs any potential reward.

The ships in eve are made of paper, they die far too quickly and far too easerly. there is no epic battle, its primary target, click f1 to f8 sit back and watch target die in under 30 seconds.

Now i've played in low and null sec, i've been part pf a major alliance thats owned territory, i've been in CTA battles which involved flying 20 jumps into enemy teritory and then getting popped in seconds by 20+ enemy ships calling primery on me,

sitting back and thinking now that was fun !!!NOT!!!.

Now if you wanna get me back into low / null sec you need to give me a fighting chance. ships need to get segnificantly stronger.

If i get jumped by a gang of pirates, i wanna be able to put up a fight that will last several minutes. i wanna be able to shoot back and maybe take 1 or 2 smaller/weaker ships down with me.

A fight i can get my teeth into and not be over in under 30 sec.

Give me a fighting chance and rewards worth the risk and i will return to low / null sec.

Until then, I'll stick high sec and the industrial side of the game.

No one in high sec is earning what the goons are earning so why continue to claim they are? Low and Null warfare is utter crap, blob vs smaller blob and steamrolling or gate ganking, oh fun times!. If the mechanics of it didn't absolutely blow chunks then I might consider low again but as it is, not a chance.

Nobody in hisec is as organized as Goonswarm either.

The entire basis of your argument is "i'm scared of the big bad blobs and the big bad piwates on the gates in lowsec"

You keep bouncing between that and "i don't want to serve DA MAN i want to be a ~free spirit~ why should i have to cooperate with other players for an advantage when NPCs fight all of my battles"

EVE needs Dust 514 to do well and get EVE subscriptions Increasing.

No one in high sec is earning what the goons are earning so why continue to claim they are? Low and Null warfare is utter crap, blob vs smaller blob and steamrolling or gate ganking, oh fun times!. If the mechanics of it didn't absolutely blow chunks then I might consider low again but as it is, not a chance.

Edited out because I honestly just don't care enough anymore.

Nobody in hisec is as organized as Goonswarm either.

The entire basis of your argument is "i'm scared of the big bad blobs and the big bad piwates on the gates in lowsec"

You keep bouncing between that and "i don't want to serve DA MAN i want to be a ~free spirit~ why should i have to cooperate with other players for an advantage when NPCs fight all of my battles"

Fairly clear you haven't been out of the bubblewrap of high sec much.

Not in a few years no, but was in low before most currently playing. The pvp was better years ago than it is now. But answer this, why do low sec players care so much that some don't want to go there, all of this nonsense about the market being flooded with high sec minerals is nonsense so I just don't see why people can't play and let play, so to speak.

Not in a few years no, but was in low before most currently playing. The pvp was better years ago than it is now. But answer this, why do low sec players care so much that some don't want to go there, all of this nonsense about the market being flooded with high sec minerals is nonsense so I just don't see why people can't play and let play, so to speak.

Might have something to do with all of the whines from these high sec players about how life is so unfair ect. Also all of the experts on 0.0 and low sec who have never been there...

Some whine yes, but most of the forum whines is from the low sec community wishing to end the high sec community.

Because in a game based around conflict and fighting for limited resources, having unlimited resources and not having to fight for them kind of defeats the point.

Also having stupidly cheap ships, meaningless losses, mudflation etc. generally all contributes to the feeling that Eve is going the way of theme park MMOs. With segregated PvE and PvP, and no consequences for your actions or inaction.

Mudflation is laughable. The balance of having rare minerals only in low sec balances the games ecomony alot. I really don't see alot of the problems some claim exist. My first character (Andrasta) opened in June 03, I recall people logging on after DT to sell to NPC corps while prices were still high (to stimulate ecomonic growth the NPCs bought minerals in fixed amounts). I have seen the ecomony of the game durings its entire existence and fail to see these adverse effects of high sec miners.

Mudflation is laughable. The balance of having rare minerals only in low sec balances the games ecomony alot. I really don't see alot of the problems some claim exist. My first character (Andrasta) opened in June 03, I recall people logging on after DT to sell to NPC corps while prices were still high (to stimulate ecomonic growth the NPCs bought minerals in fixed amounts). I have seen the ecomony of the game durings its entire existence and fail to see these adverse effects of high sec miners.

because you feel entitled to nullsec levels of income with hisec convenience and safety

Opinions? Of course fool, I'm not a dev or gm....
Anything useful now? I'm thinking.......hmmm. NOT

Good thing they don't have that then, isn't it?

As useful as it deserved, and more useful than your OP because it was based on objective reality.
Next?

NULL SEC is boring

End of conversation

If you don't have a blob, sit tight n dock till people log on

High Sec

Missions
Mining
Exploration
Wh's

There is nothing i need nor want in null sec

If i need an ISK boost, ill buy 4 plexes and sell them.

EvE is fecked, remove plex, sort low sec out so gate guns and station guns ARE not tankable and more will go to low sec. Stop people camping choke points into null 24/7 n people will go there

You screw your own pvp areas on your own

stop bitching about high sec players when you cannot even show me a single thread were a high sec player has bitched about null sec being more profitable than his high sec

why?

BECAUSE US PLAYERS IN HIGH SEC DONT CARE ABOUT NULL/LOW SEC AT ALL

PvP Players - You whine and ***** worst than a woman on her period

NULL SEC is boring

End of conversation

you're so wrong it's painful.

null is the most fun area of the game. the people are better, the array of activities are broader, there are no limits to what you can do in null in comparison to high sec.

Why do you high sec types assume we are all evil PvP players and pirates? I'm a care bear, tyvm, and I still think you're an idiot.

Those choke points are easy to identify and get past, if you can't be bothered to learn then you dont deserve to be able to make any significant amount of ISK in Eve.

Actually high sec income is arguably as high or higher than low and null sec income once you allow for either rent or time wasted in CTAs, and the inevitable associated losses.

The fact that you can sit down in high sec and instantly start grinding out missions or jump into an incursion fleet means it is unrealistic to measure the value of the PvE in pure ISK per hour. The only "balanced" part of the game I can think of in this respect is currently exploration.

Exploration follows a pretty nice curve in terms of difficulty, resources required etc. from high to low. And it also has pretty well balanced rewards.

Missions, anoms and mining however are pretty borked in terms of risk/reward. Hopefully CCP will finish addressing the mining side of this with ring mining, they made a pretty good start on it with the drone poo nerf.

Hi-Sec will *always* (as long as anything even remotely resembling current mechanics are in effect) be more conducive to the type of play you describe than low or null.

Exactly because it isn't entertaining enough to interrupt to any great degree all the "alts" at their business.

Even if / when the rewards get lowered "enough" (in hi-sec) there will still be people for whom null-sec/low-sec won't be attractive at all. So I predict that those people (and it is an unknown number) will play less and less until they quit while some (small) number will move somewhere else. I say "small" because if they wanted to be in low/null, they would be.

So income in hi-sec will almost (imho) always appear "too high" because time wasted in CTA's, associated losses or rent ( and only rent is actually quantifiable) will be prohibitive (or appear prohibitive) to a lot of people.

Again, greed, why do i need billions os isk? whats the point? long as i got over a hundred mill, i dont need anymore, anymore is a bonus

how am i an idiot? because i have a diffrent view? elite null sec players 4tw er?

If you don't have a blob, sit tight n dock till people log on

(...)

sort low sec out so gate guns and station guns ARE not tankable and more will go to low sec. Stop people camping choke points into null 24/7 n people will go there

NULL SEC is boring

End of conversation

If you don't have a blob, sit tight n dock till people log on

High Sec

Missions
Mining
Exploration
Wh's

There is nothing i need nor want in null sec

If i need an ISK boost, ill buy 4 plexes and sell them.

EvE is fecked, remove plex, sort low sec out so gate guns and station guns ARE not tankable and more will go to low sec. Stop people camping choke points into null 24/7 n people will go there

You screw your own pvp areas on your own

stop bitching about high sec players when you cannot even show me a single thread were a high sec player has bitched about null sec being more profitable than his high sec

why?

BECAUSE US PLAYERS IN HIGH SEC DONT CARE ABOUT NULL/LOW SEC AT ALL

PvP Players - You whine and ***** worst than a woman on her period

Bolded the important pieces of this post.

I think you accidently made a very good point there.

Lowsec - ment to be inbetween the "safety" of highsec and the "lawless" null sec. I think that making gate guns un tankable would be a great move, it would offer new pvpers the options of pvping in low sec - scanning down plex's/missions, killing in belts etc. But at the same time giving the newer less experienced pvpers a option to vie out of pvp in lowsec. Dont get me wrong there should be no concord.


That i propose (because of the above post)

highsec - CONCORD/gate/station guns

Lowsec - gate and station guns

Nullsec - freefor all anything goes.

I think you're missing the purpose of gate guns, they aren't there to save your ass if you do something stupid, they're there so people can't gate camp in frigates and interceptors.

This means you can always get through in a cloaked ship or frigate, occasionally you might die in a frigate if you jump into a very heavily camped system and they have a remote sebo'd ship on gate but it's rare.

As it stands due to local you are already very safe in space in low sec, especially mission running since people have to launch probes to find you and you can see those probes on directional. Your proposal doesn't really help rookies that much, because we'd still kill them in space, what it does do is make us older players 100% safe and remove all effort required for low sec hauling and logistics.

Isnt lowsec pretty much dead as it stands? Isnt the major problem CCP have is getting people in low/null? We need to stop thinking of how the mechanics are and what they are ment to be and rethink it all. I stand by this idea as a player from 2004 its the best thing suggested on these forums in a long time

Not if it means turning low sec into high sec.

You are essentially suggesting we revitalise low sec by making it less like low sec. This game has already become ridiculously easy, dumbing it down even more because some people refuse to learn is just going to drive away what little is left of the loyal fan base.

It might give a brief burst in activity, but most of us who play Eve because it's challenging will simply quit. I've already lost the vast majority of my friends in Eve because they quit due to the direction the game has gone in over the last few years. I'd rather not lose the few players I know that still remain from when I first joined, all because some idiots can't get past gate camps.

This is why you learn. Lowsec is a different monster then hisec, you need to be paying attention to you Map Statistics tab more so then any where else because camps are so prevalent. If you don't feel like relying on ships destroyed in the last hour, **** man, get into something that can use a covert ops cloak.

I have made more ISK by creating my own trade hub within my Lowsec Home system and for some reason the lazy people would rather pay about a 6% markup then travel 6+ jumps to Rens/Hek/Dodixie. EVE is about exploitation of -every- thing. If you put limits on your imagination and refuse to have "bad" business habits... Then stay and let me make more ISK.

Maybe its time to do some gardening, and pull out tho's last weeds and twisted bitter vines(vets) to improve the game and playerbase?

Hmm, I'd probably argue that the kind of player attracted by high sec style gameplay is not one that would be an "improvement".

Looking at the stats the average high sec player has <5m SP, meaning that they cannot stay in Eve very long. Does that make them more valuable? More numerous, perhaps. But how long would Eve last if it began catering to them to the detriment of it's loyal older players?

Didnt the latest surveys results indicate something like 90%+ of the eve playerbase play for the PVE element and something as little as under 10% for PvP? At the end of the day, CCP is a company who only truely cares about profits. Now if a change brings in more players and higher profits they will make it. This change not only would boost the playerbase, but also boost pvp as a side effect. low sec is DEAD....... EMPTY appart from a few people exploiting FW maybe. Why not change and utilise this space to bring in mroe players and entertain a wider number of the playerbase?

I stand by this idea as a player from 2004 its the best thing suggested on these forums in a long time

Um

PvP/Rat/Exploration/Mine/Anomolies/Wh's

Now lets look at empire

PvP/Rat/Exploration/Mine/Anomolies/Wh's

Yah i can see the MASSIVE diffrence between high sec and null sec

Yup, its right there

I can see it, deffo, thats me on the next train to null sec

Now lets look at empire

PvP

we like low sec the way it is. if you don't like it move along.

Low-sec is "useless" because it's full of random, mindless PvP. If you want low-sec to be useful then it needs some "empire building" ability, (i.e. the ability for players to create security and stability so they can build a "town" (aka civilization)) otherwise it will always be a lawless wasteland. No one is going to bother investing in low-sec if they're just going to get steamrolled by pirates or an alliance. No profit, no low-sec colonization.

And if low-sec ever becomes civilized, then the pirates are just going to start whining about no longer being able to effectively function in low-sec.

Just be done with it and replace low-sec with null-sec.

Isnt lowsec pretty much dead as it stands?

Regards

Caghji

1 Stargate Camping at entry points
Like it or not, choke points prevent high sec types from entering lower sec...CCP needs to fix this, offer paid gates or random gates, something, anything, Fix it and campers get use to it. You will love it in the end and you know it or are to stupid to realize. So you know it right!

Give them a possible escape option

if a system is being contested, then rewards should go up for rats, loot, whatever the method.

4 Sec Status
This is the simplest fix, let low standing fight low standing in low sec without a sec hit.

Stuff

There is an anti pont module...

It's called a warp core stabiliser

Unless you're on about the one that occasinally breaks locks ?

I am less then 2 weeks old, but if I understand correctly if you have like 5 people pointing you then stabiliser is useless??

Nope, dead wrong, as we learned in UO, drawing PvE players into a PvP zone is not the answer, it is a good way to kill off a game though.

The way to populate a PvP zone is to make the PvP not suck, then the millions of PvPers world wide will sign up.

Right now the game is setup to feed new PvPers as fodder to existing players.

As long as CCP squanders it's new customer base this way long term subs will not increase.

Caldari ice still hasn't fallen to what it was at the start of the year after my corp killed everyone mining it in high sec for a month

Why do you high sec types assume we are all evil PvP players and pirates? I'm a care bear, tyvm, and I still think you're an idiot.

Those choke points are easy to identify and get past, if you can't be bothered to learn then you dont deserve to be able to make any significant amount of ISK in Eve.

Yes I am going to pack my stuff in my freighters and Orcas and carry it over to 0.0, in nice safety.
I will expecially load my 80B worth of BPOs on a pink ship with a dartboard painted on it.

As it stands due to local you are already very safe in space in low sec, especially mission running since people have to launch probes to find you and you can see those probes on directional.

If you can't get a few BPOs across Eve you should just uninstall now.

I am not talking of your frigate BPOs, not going to move them in solo. Also, once you are out of hi sec and ofc you have to setup 3-4 POSes you have also the bellyache job of fueling them and the crotch-ache of defending them. Not worth bothering.

Get an alt and scout or cyno them in? As much as I hate JF logistics the mechanic is currently available and easy to use.

But yes, null sec industry does need a revamp. So do a lot of things in Eve. This isn't because moving stuff is hard, its simply because null sec industry provides no real benefits.

"buy 2+ accounts to play". While I have 4-5 accounts, I always found this to be borderline of a scam imposed on players.
Never needed to do that in any other MMO.


Anyway another thing that keeps being overlooked is how for many beginning with me, EvE is just a pass time, a stop gap while not doing something else. Thus it gets a very low priority and all those oh-so-important achievements like passing 40 0.0 systems in an unescorted ship become a waste of time. To me, spending 2-3 hours (that's how long it took to go to Stain the last time I went there from south of Amarr in a Hurricane) is not fun.

If I find 30 minutes to play, I WANT them to be meaningful. This is why while I only play PvP games, I don't PvP in EvE (any more).
I want to kill faces not to roam for 1 hour just to get hot dropped nor to waste 3 hours of my life to make some moon goo overlord richer.

EvE is good for manufacturing and playing the markets, both things that don't require going the extra miles and sinking hours and hours just to go from A to B.

and if 2 frigates tackle you, you need 4 of them to escape. (unless there's a limit on -warp strength that i'm unaware of)

What's that, two players fit for close range tackling can lock down a solo hostile ship!? good gods what is this game coming to!


Hint - you don't need any wcs to escape two frigates. I'll give you two ideas to start you off, I'm sure if you engage your brain you will find more.

1) shoot back and kill the buggers, they're only frigs!

2) they are within 10km to scramble you, fit a neut and cap them out. (while doing so, you could also see point 1)

you're so wrong it's painful.

null is the most fun area of the game. the people are better, the array of activities are broader, there are no limits to what you can do in null in comparison to high sec.

These are opinions.

Stopped reading here.

It isn't possible for an opinion to be wrong. You can't argue against an opinion either.

How to Get HighSec types into Low and Null (aka lower sec) ?? What's stops them? How can it be fixed?

Edited out because I honestly just don't care enough anymore.

You can click a poster and choose to ignore his posts you know. Does wonders for reading troll-free (and idiot free) threads in here..

Wrong GÇô Just plain Wrong

This line is said over and over again and again

And I know it to be completely wrong. It is the comment of people who have no imagination, who live in fear and refuse to take a risk.

My Story GÇô abridged form

2 and -+ years ago I bought 3 moons in low sec that helped build hypersynaptic fibres

We had very limited (read none) PvP protection GÇô so in our Corp description we wrote in English and in Russian that we were a null sec Russian logistics corporation GÇô Enquiries to my CEO GÇô recruitment closed GÇô NBSI

Needless to say we were neither Russian nor had any of our 5 corp members ever lived in null

We went untouched for 6 months.

In those six months I scanned every low sec moon in the region recording what minerals and who controlled them.

This allowed me to discover 2 new tungsten moons which were not recorded on dotlans GÇô it also allowed to identify the political landscape.

We expanded our moon mining to the tungsten moons and paired low grade moons GÇô 7 moons in total.

I had identified two areas in the region which would be off limits to us GÇô one was a pipe which had the biggest quantity of expensive moons GÇô the other was right next door to a null entrance.

Then one of our moons got attacked by a new alliance moving into the area GÇô they had already taken the expensive GÇÿpipeGÇÖ making it their GÇÿhomeGÇÖ and now were looking around for more moons GÇô Now one skill I have is negotiation GÇô I do not know why this is but I am pretty good at it GÇô and I negotiated a GÇÿreasonable protection feeGÇÖ to be paid to hold onto the moon.

I eventually got access to the alliances INTEL channel as well and built a relationship without ever joining them officially.

They the alliance attacked a neighboring moon of someone elseGÇÖs but got hot dropped and their capitals destroyed GÇô so they stopped expanding and withdrew to their pocket

I made contact with the neighbor and arranged to supply info from the alliance INTEL channel GÇô over the course of the next 6 months the alliance suffered numerable ship losses and were contained.

During all this time I became a recognized hauler in the area and became friendly with the GÇÿlocalGÇÖ pirates occasionally helping some of their new members in ratting sites they were finding difficult GÇô this meant the local pirates left me alone.

As players came and went from the system more and more moons came up for sale and I bought them. My neighbor asked if I could manage his 3 moons while he went off PvPing so another 3 + 3 low grades were added.

I eventually negotiated a drop of the GÇÿprotection feeGÇÖ as the alliance left their pocket and went to null (where on a side note they were completely humiliated and destroyed GÇô when they came back to the pocket they never asked for that protection money again) GÇô I made a point of not buying any of the pocket moons though.

After 1 and -+ years my corp of 6 indi players (we had recruited one player in that time) was in control of 29 low sec moon mining moons.

In the final 6 months we went completely unchalleneged GÇô we built 25 POCOGÇÖs when they became available with the local pirate groups helping us destroy the COGÇÖs that were there so that got blue standings and low tax.

We then got the opportunity to move to null which we took.

Over the course of 4 weeks we took down and sold our assets (29 large POS + mods sold on the market GÇô that was a nice wind fall) + the moons that we could GÇô we kept the POCOGÇÖs

We bowed out graciously.

In all that time strategy, diplomacy, and calculated risk taking got us through. In all that time we could have called upon maybe 10 BS pilots.

Low sec provides a different environment.

One key element to understand is that only GÇÿsmallGÇÖ alliances bully in low sec GÇô because if they are big they go to null sec

If you can make yourself GÇÿseemGÇÖ big the small bullies will not touch you.

When we finally had 29 moons, new reds coming to our back yard just had to look around and see 29 moon mining POSs GÇô The thought in their heads would be we are not big enough to take on anyone with that size infrastructure GÇô and anyone who was big enough GÇô they went directly to null.

Low sec provides a different environment GÇô its not high or null (doh!) discover what it is and adapt to it.

Regards

Caghji

Those in low and null sec are already there doing what CCP wants you to do, so unless being constructive, need not comment.

How to Get HighSec types into Low and Null (aka lower sec) ?? What's stops them? How can it be fixed?
CCP has already started to nurf high sec rewards. CCP is starting down the path and it's about time! I've got friends lining up for a more mixed up game play. It's not going to be halo vs ponies anymore.

Some thoughts....

1 Stargate Camping at entry points
Like it or not, choke points prevent high sec types from entering lower sec. Argue all you want but entry systems are choke points that make most of EVE players skip the fun of lowersec. I know camping busy gates, choke points, is fun ..but in the end, it would be more fun to hunt in space then camp, really. On top of that, without choke points, hunting would offer much better ships and skill options as we would see bigger and more expensive ships in lower secs.

CCP needs to fix this, offer paid gates or random gates, something, anything, Fix it and campers get use to it. You will love it in the end and you know it or are to stupid to realize. So you know it right!

Not if you have six warp core stabs.

But realistically a few warp core stabs, some nanos and a mwd+cloak and any ship can run through pretty much any camp unhindered.

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The OP makes a good point about gate camps and warp scrams. I've been very interested in exploring low sec and null sec, but these are two of the major things that turn me off from going there.