Get an alt and scout or cyno them in? As much as I hate JF logistics the mechanic is currently available and easy to use.

But yes, null sec industry does need a revamp. So do a lot of things in Eve. This isn't because moving stuff is hard, its simply because null sec industry provides no real benefits.

"buy 2+ accounts to play". While I have 4-5 accounts, I always found this to be borderline of a scam imposed on players.
Never needed to do that in any other MMO.


Anyway another thing that keeps being overlooked is how for many beginning with me, EvE is just a pass time, a stop gap while not doing something else. Thus it gets a very low priority and all those oh-so-important achievements like passing 40 0.0 systems in an unescorted ship become a waste of time. To me, spending 2-3 hours (that's how long it took to go to Stain the last time I went there from south of Amarr in a Hurricane) is not fun.

If I find 30 minutes to play, I WANT them to be meaningful. This is why while I only play PvP games, I don't PvP in EvE (any more).
I want to kill faces not to roam for 1 hour just to get hot dropped nor to waste 3 hours of my life to make some moon goo overlord richer.

EvE is good for manufacturing and playing the markets, both things that don't require going the extra miles and sinking hours and hours just to go from A to B.

and if 2 frigates tackle you, you need 4 of them to escape. (unless there's a limit on -warp strength that i'm unaware of)

What's that, two players fit for close range tackling can lock down a solo hostile ship!? good gods what is this game coming to!


Hint - you don't need any wcs to escape two frigates. I'll give you two ideas to start you off, I'm sure if you engage your brain you will find more.

1) shoot back and kill the buggers, they're only frigs!

2) they are within 10km to scramble you, fit a neut and cap them out. (while doing so, you could also see point 1)

you're so wrong it's painful.

null is the most fun area of the game. the people are better, the array of activities are broader, there are no limits to what you can do in null in comparison to high sec.

These are opinions.

Stopped reading here.

It isn't possible for an opinion to be wrong. You can't argue against an opinion either.

How to Get HighSec types into Low and Null (aka lower sec) ?? What's stops them? How can it be fixed?

Edited out because I honestly just don't care enough anymore.

You can click a poster and choose to ignore his posts you know. Does wonders for reading troll-free (and idiot free) threads in here..

Wrong GÇô Just plain Wrong

This line is said over and over again and again

And I know it to be completely wrong. It is the comment of people who have no imagination, who live in fear and refuse to take a risk.

My Story GÇô abridged form

2 and -+ years ago I bought 3 moons in low sec that helped build hypersynaptic fibres

We had very limited (read none) PvP protection GÇô so in our Corp description we wrote in English and in Russian that we were a null sec Russian logistics corporation GÇô Enquiries to my CEO GÇô recruitment closed GÇô NBSI

Needless to say we were neither Russian nor had any of our 5 corp members ever lived in null

We went untouched for 6 months.

In those six months I scanned every low sec moon in the region recording what minerals and who controlled them.

This allowed me to discover 2 new tungsten moons which were not recorded on dotlans GÇô it also allowed to identify the political landscape.

We expanded our moon mining to the tungsten moons and paired low grade moons GÇô 7 moons in total.

I had identified two areas in the region which would be off limits to us GÇô one was a pipe which had the biggest quantity of expensive moons GÇô the other was right next door to a null entrance.

Then one of our moons got attacked by a new alliance moving into the area GÇô they had already taken the expensive GÇÿpipeGÇÖ making it their GÇÿhomeGÇÖ and now were looking around for more moons GÇô Now one skill I have is negotiation GÇô I do not know why this is but I am pretty good at it GÇô and I negotiated a GÇÿreasonable protection feeGÇÖ to be paid to hold onto the moon.

I eventually got access to the alliances INTEL channel as well and built a relationship without ever joining them officially.

They the alliance attacked a neighboring moon of someone elseGÇÖs but got hot dropped and their capitals destroyed GÇô so they stopped expanding and withdrew to their pocket

I made contact with the neighbor and arranged to supply info from the alliance INTEL channel GÇô over the course of the next 6 months the alliance suffered numerable ship losses and were contained.

During all this time I became a recognized hauler in the area and became friendly with the GÇÿlocalGÇÖ pirates occasionally helping some of their new members in ratting sites they were finding difficult GÇô this meant the local pirates left me alone.

As players came and went from the system more and more moons came up for sale and I bought them. My neighbor asked if I could manage his 3 moons while he went off PvPing so another 3 + 3 low grades were added.

I eventually negotiated a drop of the GÇÿprotection feeGÇÖ as the alliance left their pocket and went to null (where on a side note they were completely humiliated and destroyed GÇô when they came back to the pocket they never asked for that protection money again) GÇô I made a point of not buying any of the pocket moons though.

After 1 and -+ years my corp of 6 indi players (we had recruited one player in that time) was in control of 29 low sec moon mining moons.

In the final 6 months we went completely unchalleneged GÇô we built 25 POCOGÇÖs when they became available with the local pirate groups helping us destroy the COGÇÖs that were there so that got blue standings and low tax.

We then got the opportunity to move to null which we took.

Over the course of 4 weeks we took down and sold our assets (29 large POS + mods sold on the market GÇô that was a nice wind fall) + the moons that we could GÇô we kept the POCOGÇÖs

We bowed out graciously.

In all that time strategy, diplomacy, and calculated risk taking got us through. In all that time we could have called upon maybe 10 BS pilots.

Low sec provides a different environment.

One key element to understand is that only GÇÿsmallGÇÖ alliances bully in low sec GÇô because if they are big they go to null sec

If you can make yourself GÇÿseemGÇÖ big the small bullies will not touch you.

When we finally had 29 moons, new reds coming to our back yard just had to look around and see 29 moon mining POSs GÇô The thought in their heads would be we are not big enough to take on anyone with that size infrastructure GÇô and anyone who was big enough GÇô they went directly to null.

Low sec provides a different environment GÇô its not high or null (doh!) discover what it is and adapt to it.

Regards

Caghji

Those in low and null sec are already there doing what CCP wants you to do, so unless being constructive, need not comment.

How to Get HighSec types into Low and Null (aka lower sec) ?? What's stops them? How can it be fixed?
CCP has already started to nurf high sec rewards. CCP is starting down the path and it's about time! I've got friends lining up for a more mixed up game play. It's not going to be halo vs ponies anymore.

Some thoughts....

1 Stargate Camping at entry points
Like it or not, choke points prevent high sec types from entering lower sec. Argue all you want but entry systems are choke points that make most of EVE players skip the fun of lowersec. I know camping busy gates, choke points, is fun ..but in the end, it would be more fun to hunt in space then camp, really. On top of that, without choke points, hunting would offer much better ships and skill options as we would see bigger and more expensive ships in lower secs.

CCP needs to fix this, offer paid gates or random gates, something, anything, Fix it and campers get use to it. You will love it in the end and you know it or are to stupid to realize. So you know it right!

Not if you have six warp core stabs.

But realistically a few warp core stabs, some nanos and a mwd+cloak and any ship can run through pretty much any camp unhindered.

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The OP makes a good point about gate camps and warp scrams. I've been very interested in exploring low sec and null sec, but these are two of the major things that turn me off from going there.