Yawn why bother, talking with a goon is like talking to a dog, both just yap at you and say nothing.

what i'm saying is that you should stop masking your risk aversion with dumb crap like "my individuality" and "i'm a casual player" because you feel entitled to nullsec levels of income with hisec convenience and safety

Opinions, plain and simple.

I'm a highsec carebear.

I stay and play in high sec, i don't pvp, WHY?

Because pvp is all about numbers. its too 1 sided.

If i get jumped by a gang of pirates, I'm dead, GAME OVER. plain and simple.

It dosn't matter how much sp i have, it dosen't matter what ship i fly or how it is fitted, it dosen't matter how experienced or good i am at playing the game.

There is no hope or chance for me to fight my way out and escape or even take 1 or more of my attackers down with me.

most likely i will be pointed and dampened and dead within seconds before i can even target an attacking ship.

That is not fun, that is a gang of bullies beating up on someone they know damn well cannot fight back.

For me the risk Far outweighs any potential reward.

The ships in eve are made of paper, they die far too quickly and far too easerly. there is no epic battle, its primary target, click f1 to f8 sit back and watch target die in under 30 seconds.

Now i've played in low and null sec, i've been part pf a major alliance thats owned territory, i've been in CTA battles which involved flying 20 jumps into enemy teritory and then getting popped in seconds by 20+ enemy ships calling primery on me,

sitting back and thinking now that was fun !!!NOT!!!.

Now if you wanna get me back into low / null sec you need to give me a fighting chance. ships need to get segnificantly stronger.

If i get jumped by a gang of pirates, i wanna be able to put up a fight that will last several minutes. i wanna be able to shoot back and maybe take 1 or 2 smaller/weaker ships down with me.

A fight i can get my teeth into and not be over in under 30 sec.

Give me a fighting chance and rewards worth the risk and i will return to low / null sec.

Until then, I'll stick high sec and the industrial side of the game.

No one in high sec is earning what the goons are earning so why continue to claim they are? Low and Null warfare is utter crap, blob vs smaller blob and steamrolling or gate ganking, oh fun times!. If the mechanics of it didn't absolutely blow chunks then I might consider low again but as it is, not a chance.

Nobody in hisec is as organized as Goonswarm either.

The entire basis of your argument is "i'm scared of the big bad blobs and the big bad piwates on the gates in lowsec"

You keep bouncing between that and "i don't want to serve DA MAN i want to be a ~free spirit~ why should i have to cooperate with other players for an advantage when NPCs fight all of my battles"

EVE needs Dust 514 to do well and get EVE subscriptions Increasing.

No one in high sec is earning what the goons are earning so why continue to claim they are? Low and Null warfare is utter crap, blob vs smaller blob and steamrolling or gate ganking, oh fun times!. If the mechanics of it didn't absolutely blow chunks then I might consider low again but as it is, not a chance.

Edited out because I honestly just don't care enough anymore.

Nobody in hisec is as organized as Goonswarm either.

The entire basis of your argument is "i'm scared of the big bad blobs and the big bad piwates on the gates in lowsec"

You keep bouncing between that and "i don't want to serve DA MAN i want to be a ~free spirit~ why should i have to cooperate with other players for an advantage when NPCs fight all of my battles"

Fairly clear you haven't been out of the bubblewrap of high sec much.

Not in a few years no, but was in low before most currently playing. The pvp was better years ago than it is now. But answer this, why do low sec players care so much that some don't want to go there, all of this nonsense about the market being flooded with high sec minerals is nonsense so I just don't see why people can't play and let play, so to speak.

Not in a few years no, but was in low before most currently playing. The pvp was better years ago than it is now. But answer this, why do low sec players care so much that some don't want to go there, all of this nonsense about the market being flooded with high sec minerals is nonsense so I just don't see why people can't play and let play, so to speak.

Might have something to do with all of the whines from these high sec players about how life is so unfair ect. Also all of the experts on 0.0 and low sec who have never been there...

Some whine yes, but most of the forum whines is from the low sec community wishing to end the high sec community.

Because in a game based around conflict and fighting for limited resources, having unlimited resources and not having to fight for them kind of defeats the point.

Also having stupidly cheap ships, meaningless losses, mudflation etc. generally all contributes to the feeling that Eve is going the way of theme park MMOs. With segregated PvE and PvP, and no consequences for your actions or inaction.

Mudflation is laughable. The balance of having rare minerals only in low sec balances the games ecomony alot. I really don't see alot of the problems some claim exist. My first character (Andrasta) opened in June 03, I recall people logging on after DT to sell to NPC corps while prices were still high (to stimulate ecomonic growth the NPCs bought minerals in fixed amounts). I have seen the ecomony of the game durings its entire existence and fail to see these adverse effects of high sec miners.

Mudflation is laughable. The balance of having rare minerals only in low sec balances the games ecomony alot. I really don't see alot of the problems some claim exist. My first character (Andrasta) opened in June 03, I recall people logging on after DT to sell to NPC corps while prices were still high (to stimulate ecomonic growth the NPCs bought minerals in fixed amounts). I have seen the ecomony of the game durings its entire existence and fail to see these adverse effects of high sec miners.

because you feel entitled to nullsec levels of income with hisec convenience and safety

Opinions? Of course fool, I'm not a dev or gm....
Anything useful now? I'm thinking.......hmmm. NOT

Good thing they don't have that then, isn't it?

As useful as it deserved, and more useful than your OP because it was based on objective reality.
Next?

NULL SEC is boring

End of conversation

If you don't have a blob, sit tight n dock till people log on

High Sec

Missions
Mining
Exploration
Wh's

There is nothing i need nor want in null sec

If i need an ISK boost, ill buy 4 plexes and sell them.

EvE is fecked, remove plex, sort low sec out so gate guns and station guns ARE not tankable and more will go to low sec. Stop people camping choke points into null 24/7 n people will go there

You screw your own pvp areas on your own

stop bitching about high sec players when you cannot even show me a single thread were a high sec player has bitched about null sec being more profitable than his high sec

why?

BECAUSE US PLAYERS IN HIGH SEC DONT CARE ABOUT NULL/LOW SEC AT ALL

PvP Players - You whine and ***** worst than a woman on her period

NULL SEC is boring

End of conversation

you're so wrong it's painful.

null is the most fun area of the game. the people are better, the array of activities are broader, there are no limits to what you can do in null in comparison to high sec.

Why do you high sec types assume we are all evil PvP players and pirates? I'm a care bear, tyvm, and I still think you're an idiot.

Those choke points are easy to identify and get past, if you can't be bothered to learn then you dont deserve to be able to make any significant amount of ISK in Eve.

Actually high sec income is arguably as high or higher than low and null sec income once you allow for either rent or time wasted in CTAs, and the inevitable associated losses.

The fact that you can sit down in high sec and instantly start grinding out missions or jump into an incursion fleet means it is unrealistic to measure the value of the PvE in pure ISK per hour. The only "balanced" part of the game I can think of in this respect is currently exploration.

Exploration follows a pretty nice curve in terms of difficulty, resources required etc. from high to low. And it also has pretty well balanced rewards.

Missions, anoms and mining however are pretty borked in terms of risk/reward. Hopefully CCP will finish addressing the mining side of this with ring mining, they made a pretty good start on it with the drone poo nerf.

Hi-Sec will *always* (as long as anything even remotely resembling current mechanics are in effect) be more conducive to the type of play you describe than low or null.

Exactly because it isn't entertaining enough to interrupt to any great degree all the "alts" at their business.

Even if / when the rewards get lowered "enough" (in hi-sec) there will still be people for whom null-sec/low-sec won't be attractive at all. So I predict that those people (and it is an unknown number) will play less and less until they quit while some (small) number will move somewhere else. I say "small" because if they wanted to be in low/null, they would be.

So income in hi-sec will almost (imho) always appear "too high" because time wasted in CTA's, associated losses or rent ( and only rent is actually quantifiable) will be prohibitive (or appear prohibitive) to a lot of people.