Yes, if only there was some way (Faction War) for people to have (Faction War) a reason to fight in (Faction War) low sec. It's a real shame that there is (Faction War) nothing for people to do in (Faction War) low sec. It's really too bad (Faction War) there is no motivator or mechanism (Faction War) for people to take control of systems in low sec. What sucks the most is you can't have a homestead. If only you could set up a safe place in low sec to call your own, perhaps on a moon.

But from a miner's perspective, EVE offers very little anyway.

High sec - poor ore choice, suicide gankers.
Low sec - poor ore choice, pirates
Nullsec - to mine you have to give up 20+M bounty wallet ticks from doing havens, have to deal with cloaky campers and enemy gangs/fleets, plus you have refinery losses or station taxes, and THEN factor in losing a hauler once in a while if you ship your ore out. Not as profitable as (mining hours/cycle time * m3 * ore price) would let you believe.

I've been in null. ItGÇÖs boring. The corporations are full of politics and narcissist. I get enough of that at work.

CCP needs ppl in low and null sec for Dust 514 to work.

Just another nonsensical thread trying to force high sec players into low sec, its not going to happen, get over it. They can nerf high sec all they want, it will just cause most high-seccers to play other games. Unless you enjoy playing the game in a part of space where the risk of being blown up is non-zero. But thats just one bunnies opinion.

in short the risk vs reward factor for low sec mining is terrible. most dangerous, and least rewarding. why would you mine there?

No suicide ganking there?

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This is the simplest fix, let low standing fight low standing in low sec without a sec hit. This makes more fun for all while giving low standing ppl access to high sec markets. More PVP and easier to make and spend ISPs.

There is an anti pont module...

It's called a warp core stabiliser

Unless you're on about the one that occasinally breaks locks ?

Heard of a heavy interdictor?

Heard of a heavy interdictor?

I'm a highsec carebear.

I stay and play in high sec, i don't pvp, WHY?

Because pvp is all about numbers. its too 1 sided.

If i get jumped by a gang of pirates, I'm dead, GAME OVER. plain and simple.

It dosn't matter how much sp i have, it dosen't matter what ship i fly or how it is fitted, it dosen't matter how experienced or good i am at playing the game.

There is no hope or chance for me to fight my way out and escape or even take 1 or more of my attackers down with me.

most likely i will be pointed and dampened and dead within seconds before i can even target an attacking ship.

That is not fun, that is a gang of bullies beating up on someone they know damn well cannot fight back.

For me the risk Far outweighs any potential reward.

The ships in eve are made of paper, they die far too quickly and far too easerly. there is no epic battle, its primary target, click f1 to f8 sit back and watch target die in under 30 seconds.

Now i've played in low and null sec, i've been part pf a major alliance thats owned territory, i've been in CTA battles which involved flying 20 jumps into enemy teritory and then getting popped in seconds by 20+ enemy ships calling primery on me,

sitting back and thinking now that was fun !!!NOT!!!.

Now if you wanna get me back into low / null sec you need to give me a fighting chance. ships need to get segnificantly stronger.

If i get jumped by a gang of pirates, i wanna be able to put up a fight that will last several minutes. i wanna be able to shoot back and maybe take 1 or 2 smaller/weaker ships down with me.

A fight i can get my teeth into and not be over in under 30 sec.

Give me a fighting chance and rewards worth the risk and i will return to low / null sec.

Until then, I'll stick high sec and the industrial side of the game.

Personally, in my case, it's a matter of training. I wish to train up more combat skills before I jump into low/null sec. And secondly, a matter of training for my corporation. We have quite a few new members and we're bringing them up to speed. But training does take time.

So in the meantime, we mine ore and ice in high sec, work the PI angle as well and basically shoot the bull in corp chat. We'll move to lowsec when we're damn good and ready and not a moment before nor at the behest of folks who think we should do it right friggin' now.

And to be honest, I don't give a rat's rear end about Dust. I don't play console games, I've always thought PC's offered superior control. And I definitely don't like associating with foul mouthed 12 year-olds, which is another reason I'm not a console gamer. If Dust fails, I honestly could care less, so long as Eve continues to function.

and here i was playing the game the way i wanted to - how stupid of me. then, pray tell, why was high sec even created? please step down from your throne before you answer.

and here i was playing the game the way i wanted to - how stupid of me. then, pray tell, why was high sec even created? please step down from your throne before you answer.

I'm sorry OP but I had to stop at the point that you think all entry gates are 'choke points' that are 'impossible to get past'.

Low-sec is "useless" because it's full of random, mindless PvP. If you want low-sec to be useful then it needs some "empire building" ability, (i.e. the ability for players to create security and stability so they can build a "town" (aka civilization)) otherwise it will always be a lawless wasteland. No one is going to bother investing in low-sec if they're just going to get steamrolled by pirates or an alliance. No profit, no low-sec colonization.

And if low-sec ever becomes civilized, then the pirates are just going to start whining about no longer being able to effectively function in low-sec.

Just be done with it and replace low-sec with null-sec.

CCP needs ppl in low and null sec for Dust 514 to work.
EVE needs Dust 514 to do well and get EVE subscriptions Increasing.

These are facts, plain and simple.

fixed that for you

CCP needs ppl in low and null sec for Dust 514 to work.
EVE needs Dust 514 to do well and get EVE subscriptions Increasing.

These are facts, plain and simple.

Yes, because if we don't all think like a goon we must need fixing...another reason to avoid the null and low sec group, you lose your sense of individuality and become part of the collective. Drone on.

oh no not my space individuality

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