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Razzor Death
Gallente Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.07.26 20:18:00 -
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Originally by: Mercurial Blood ... Razzor, no one really cares that much about Co2's posting.
I on the otherhand, am taking donations and once I reach 2.5B I will reveal Garmon's real first name!!!
-- Merc
your so ****ing terrible merc
<3
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Kazzzi
Amarr Minmatar Ship Construction Services Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.07.26 21:12:00 -
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Originally by: Garreck
CVA's reaction to this will likely be more or less in accordance with the new standards of "play to win so long as it ain't against the EULA" set by Ushra'Khan when we got beat down. U'K claimed at that time (and continue to assert) that they never did and never will infiltrate us, but were happy to utilize vent info and tower passwords attained by other means. Likewise...we'll probably not pause in our efforts in Providence just because Hydra apparently pulled off a pretty decent infiltration.
CVA has knowingly benefited from their allies spies ever since the first time U'K held space in Provi years ago. Not to mention the abuse of extended downtime mechanics to towerspam U'K out of their system back then.
Where do you draw the line in your double standard of 'metagaming'?
Originally by: Mercurial Blood
I on the otherhand, am taking donations and once I reach 2.5B I will reveal Garmon's real first name!!!
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Garreck
Gallente Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.26 21:50:00 -
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Originally by: Kazzzi CVA has knowingly benefited from their allies spies ever since the first time U'K held space in Provi years ago.
Wrong. CVA has reported attempts at spying (offers of vent info, offers of various passwords, the typical stuff) to Ushra'Khan on a dozen occasions over the years. Right up to the point where U'K expressed to us that they felt it was okay to utilize info from spies while helping -A- beat our tails.
Originally by: Kazzzi
Not to mention the abuse of extended downtime mechanics to towerspam U'K out of their system back then.
Oh gawd. This again? Really?
Originally by: Kazzzi
Where do you draw the line in your double standard of 'metagaming'?
Two answers to that question, really, so I suppose it kind of is a "double standard" . There's the standard we hold our membership to, and then there's the standard to which we will petition. In our internal affairs, our standard is not to use spies to infiltrate organizations, forums, or comms. In external affairs, we will petition forms of metagaming that violate the EULA (ie account hacking.)
It's really pretty simple.
In this particular case, Aralis apparently had info about what was going down. We were well past the point with U'K where we felt obligated to report as we had in the past, and so Aralis did not report. He didn't say anything to any of us either. He just knew it was gonna happen. As a result, CVA has no plans in place to take advantage of the situation. Which is why continually trying to bring CVA back to the center of this is laughable. Providence is a mess right now...and we're in less of a position to take advantage successfully now as we were to defend successfully months ago.
We press on doing what we've been doing. Where we would have handled this with kid gloves perhaps a year ago (or even blown the whistle on it) for now we press on as we have been doing without much concern for the act of metagaming perpetrated against U'K.
I personally hope for U'K to at least be able to get their name back (I'm soft that way) but my personal hopes probably weigh as much into Hydra's plans as all the carrying on and trolling in this thread does.
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Admiral Goberius
Amarr eXceed Inc. HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.07.26 22:17:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog well done, that crappy gang needed to die. Target painting BC's.... it made me want to weep
(it was to counter a rzr gang, why they fought you i have no idea, it was only going to end one way)
butters your posting is freaking godawful and this is coming from someone who occasionally appreciates and supports windy and jade posting
random people literally read your posts and think "god I wanna come to provi and push butter's **** in"
stop posting jackass
stop
posting
- Gob
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Orree
Gallente Dynaverse Corporation Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2010.07.26 22:50:00 -
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Originally by: Valarre Edited by: Valarre on 25/07/2010 12:36:45 Edited by: Valarre on 25/07/2010 12:36:00
Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 25/07/2010 12:18:35 I'm assuming your IQ is below 100, and it's not worth us carrying on this little chat.
The fact is we agreed not to interfere when CVA corps were kicked, and we didn't know it was a hack at the time. We agreed with CVA's assertion that it was a ****ty mechanic.
Not that this really matters, CVA are going to be back in lowsec in a few weeks and we'll be in a new alliance in about 24 hours. They can stoop as low as they like, the end result will be the same.
It's a common thing for unintelligent people to insult others during a disagreement when they realize they have no logic, or fact backing them. It's a defense mechanizism that springs into action going from the topic at hand to their adversary to try to discredit them by making false accusations about their IQ, and other aspects of a person that they don't even know. My IQ may be below 100(maybe not), however your IQ is lower than mine. At least 30 points lower than mine, which puts you on par with Forrest Gump. :)
Yes, but all you've done is made a biased assumption that is baseless in fact and only meant to cast aspersions to suit your agenda. I realize this is the essence of CAOD, itself, but it certainly doesn't put you in any more favorable of a light than that which you accuse Bit...err...Butter Dog of doing.
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Mercurial Blood
Gallente eXceed Inc. HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.07.26 23:39:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral Goberius
Originally by: Butter Dog well done, that crappy gang needed to die. Target painting BC's.... it made me want to weep
(it was to counter a rzr gang, why they fought you i have no idea, it was only going to end one way)
butters your posting is freaking godawful and this is coming from someone who occasionally appreciates and supports windy and jade posting
random people literally read your posts and think "god I wanna come to provi and push butter's **** in"
stop posting jackass
stop
posting
- Gob
DON'T LISTEN TO HIM BUTTAR DOG YOU ARE LIKE FORUM KRYPTONITE TO HYDRA. Your witty retorts and
Never stop posting!!!
NEVER STOP POSTING!!!
-- Merc
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Ohh Yeah
Minmatar The Compass Reloaded HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.07.27 01:18:00 -
[337]
Originally by: Mercurial Blood
Originally by: Razzor Death If everyone sends me 20mill each I will never stop pushing for a Co2 CAOD posting ban.
Will start once I hit 20b
go
... Razzor, no one really cares that much about Co2's posting.
I on the otherhand, am taking donations and once I reach 2.5B I will reveal Garmon's real first name!!!
-- Merc
Everyone already knows his first name is Ramsey. If you send me only 2.0B I will reveal his LAST NAME and a pic of him IRL.
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Kazzzi
Amarr Minmatar Ship Construction Services Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.07.27 01:56:00 -
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Originally by: Garreck
Wrong.
I'm glad many spies were caught, but when your allies passed you intel and said it came from Divine visions of Amarr baby Jesus, they meant spies.
Originally by: Garreck
Originally by: Kazzzi
Not to mention the abuse of extended downtime mechanics to towerspam U'K out of their system back then.
Oh gawd. This again? Really?
Sure, After all, it seems we're going to have to hear people whine about what they think happened at D-G until the server ends.
Originally by: Garreck
CVA's reaction to this will likely be more or less in accordance with the new standards of "play to win so long as it ain't against the EULA
Whatever your rationale, awesome, no holds barred, we're looking forward to it. See you in space.
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Ae0lian
Caldari Militaris Industries Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.07.27 01:57:00 -
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Edited by: Ae0lian on 27/07/2010 01:59:32 Edited by: Ae0lian on 27/07/2010 01:58:44
Originally by: Aralis To answer some of the points raised here and clear the air a bit a rare CVA announcement.
We did not in any way cause this, though obviously we are beneficiaries.
This is not hacking or metagaming. It's a genuine disgruntled faction within UK. (Not the first of those in recent times but the first to take it so far.)
If this was hacking obviously we would stand clear. It's not. This is a valid in game action, not a nice one, but a legal one. Yes personally I agree these are crap game mechanics. But many crap game mechanics have hurt us. This is how it is.
As a player I sympathise for the old timers who did keep their honour and do not deserve this. (Though most of UK have seemed to lack any honour for some time. Mucho metagaming has been used against us.) However this is an in game, in character action and obviously there I am pleased.
I fought for you once, I even died many times and fought in battles to stop U'K from taking Provi. I respected you too.
Well, that goes out the window, You made a deal with opticon and left them to the wolves, you did it to the holders during the Provi war. You will end up doing it again. I wont stop until CVA is no more, and I will do this by adding your pets and you to my kill board, not by snaking into an alliance and taking it over
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Tarac Nor
Caldari Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.07.27 02:09:00 -
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Edited by: Tarac Nor on 27/07/2010 02:13:15
Originally by: Ae0lian
I fought for you once, I even died many times and fought in battles to stop U'K from taking Provi. I respected you too.
Well, that goes out the window, You made a deal with opticon and left them to the wolves, you did it to the holders during the Provi war. You will end up doing it again. I wont stop until CVA is no more, and I will do this by adding your pets and you to my kill board, not by snaking into an alliance and taking it over
Why do people still think that i was a spy all along, there was no sneaking on the part of hydra or cva. This was a crime of opportunity and i just happened to tell my friends in hydra about it.
Also no more QQ about mechanics please, its working as intended, just don't leave any loose shares in the corporation wallets in any corp and your corporation is secure as far as takeovers go. There is no push one button and everyone is gone, it took 72 hours and people not noticing mails to realize something was wrong.
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GeMan
Gallente Endless Possibilities Inc.
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Posted - 2010.07.27 02:13:00 -
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Originally by: lord xavier I completely disagree with this. The game mechanics are realism. The way this was achieved is purely amazing, resourceful and quite frankly. I give those responsible for this a pat on the back. They clearly used a system in which for a RPing alliance should look at as "Being overthrown." Traitorous actions and Treason happen in both games and real life. Why change the mechanics to fixate a game into being more unrealistic?
Please. Your giving this puke (and HYDRA pukes) way more credit than he/they deserve. This wasn't RP, this wasn't some well thought out treacherous act imitating Real Life.
This was a bored, frustrated, attention grabbing adolescent that decided to act on an impulse, and see how much chaos he could create with his rowdy friend before leaving EvE.
He did it because he could, not for any other glamerous reason you want to make up.
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Tarac Nor
Caldari Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.07.27 02:15:00 -
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Who said i was leaving eve, what gave you guys that idea????
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Ae0lian
Caldari Militaris Industries Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.07.27 04:10:00 -
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Originally by: Tarac Nor Who said i was leaving eve, what gave you guys that idea????
even if you change accounts, people like you brag, and people that hear talk. I hope you enjoy rookie ships, cuz that about all your ever gonna fly once this is all settled
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Garreck
Gallente Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.27 04:12:00 -
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Originally by: Kazzzi
I'm glad many spies were caught, but when your allies passed you intel and said it came from Divine visions of Amarr baby Jesus, they meant spies.
The only intel ever passed by our allies to my knowledge was eyes-on tactical info in our regional security channel. Any strategic level info offered to us from spies was always forward straight to U'K leadership along with the name of the source. This was our understanding of our relationship until U'K pilots were bowling CVA POSes and acting on real-time intel garnered from our teamspeak or ventrillo.
Play the game how you want, of course, but at that point we were clearly beyond the typical decorum from days of yore. Aralis was under no obligation to share the info he had in the way things had been done in the past.
Originally by: Kazzzi
Originally by: Garreck
CVA's reaction to this will likely be more or less in accordance with the new standards of "play to win so long as it ain't against the EULA
Whatever your rationale, awesome, no holds barred, we're looking forward to it. See you in space.
I wasn't exactly clear in my statement. Our standards remain unchanged as regards various legal-but-questionably-ethical issues oft cried about in CAOD ("metagaming" is the usually misapplied term). We don't engage in it. That is for our own satisfaction. The change I refer to is in previously unspoken obligation by CVA leadership to U'K leadership in regards to spies targetting U'K.
All that said...well, the message has been clear from U'K's end for a little while now, Kazzzi. The irony is U'K didn't need to play "dirty" to beat us in Provi, and if certain standards had been honored, this whole situation may've been called out by Aralis per previous instances if we felt that standard was still mutual.
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Ae0lian
Caldari Militaris Industries Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.07.27 04:18:00 -
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Originally by: Garreck
Originally by: Kazzzi
I'm glad many spies were caught, but when your allies passed you intel and said it came from Divine visions of Amarr baby Jesus, they meant spies.
The only intel ever passed by our allies to my knowledge was eyes-on tactical info in our regional security channel. Any strategic level info offered to us from spies was always forward straight to U'K leadership along with the name of the source. This was our understanding of our relationship until U'K pilots were bowling CVA POSes and acting on real-time intel garnered from our teamspeak or ventrillo.
Play the game how you want, of course, but at that point we were clearly beyond the typical decorum from days of yore. Aralis was under no obligation to share the info he had in the way things had been done in the past.
Originally by: Kazzzi
Originally by: Garreck
CVA's reaction to this will likely be more or less in accordance with the new standards of "play to win so long as it ain't against the EULA
Whatever your rationale, awesome, no holds barred, we're looking forward to it. See you in space.
I wasn't exactly clear in my statement. Our standards remain unchanged as regards various legal-but-questionably-ethical issues oft cried about in CAOD ("metagaming" is the usually misapplied term). We don't engage in it. That is for our own satisfaction. The change I refer to is in previously unspoken obligation by CVA leadership to U'K leadership in regards to spies targetting U'K.
All that said...well, the message has been clear from U'K's end for a little while now, Kazzzi. The irony is U'K didn't need to play "dirty" to beat us in Provi, and if certain standards had been honored, this whole situation may've been called out by Aralis per previous instances if we felt that standard was still mutual.
Love how you paired up with We FORM Voltron and Hydra.
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Ohh Yeah
Minmatar The Compass Reloaded HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.07.27 05:13:00 -
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Originally by: Ae0lian
Originally by: Tarac Nor Who said i was leaving eve, what gave you guys that idea????
even if you change accounts, people like you brag, and people that hear talk. I hope you enjoy rookie ships, cuz that about all your ever gonna fly once this is all settled
"comedy gold" ~ Fmerc
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Traideia
Gallente Hulkageddon Orphanage HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.07.27 05:26:00 -
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Originally by: Ae0lian
Originally by: Tarac Nor Who said i was leaving eve, what gave you guys that idea????
even if you change accounts, people like you brag, and people that hear talk. I hope you enjoy rookie ships, cuz that about all your ever gonna fly once this is all settled
lulz
Run Tarac.. RUUUN
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Tarac Nor
Caldari Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.07.27 05:58:00 -
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Originally by: Traideia
lulz
Run Tarac.. RUUUN
Why run when i can dock lulz.
So apparently there are two frames of mind. Ive got a week of fame and people are gonna forget me, the other frame is that people are gonna hunt me down forever and im never ever ever gonna be able to play again. Come on people which is it gonna be???
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FOEHAMMER006
Caldari Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.07.27 05:58:00 -
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This thread stopped producing lulz :c --------------------------------
my posts reflect me. g0t w34d?
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Suitonia
Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.07.27 06:13:00 -
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Originally by: Ae0lian
Love how you paired up with We FORM Voltron and Hydra.
Heaven forbid they work with roaming alliances for mutually beneficial goals! It's not fair that CVA is allowed to work with different alliances that want to PVP in the area against the status quo and dominant sovereign holders, and our coalition! Oh god I hate PvP! I mean we still have them outnumbered by about 3 to 1 in average fleet numbers, and we could probably batphone in more than that, and we have way more capitals than them, and better circumstances to field them, but ****! I want to run anomalies! It's not fun when we aren't total helldeath blobbing!! ---
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Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.07.27 06:23:00 -
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Edited by: Butter Dog on 27/07/2010 06:22:49 Please save me from your T1 arty machs :(
ps - tarac, you will probably have to sell the account and buy another discreetly, if you want meaningful roles in any corp again... although you may not want that, which is fine ----------
~bitter dog~
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Ae0lian
Caldari Militaris Industries Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.07.27 06:27:00 -
[352]
Edited by: Ae0lian on 27/07/2010 06:28:31
Originally by: Suitonia
Originally by: Ae0lian
Love how you paired up with We FORM Voltron and Hydra.
Heaven forbid they work with roaming alliances for mutually beneficial goals! It's not fair that CVA is allowed to work with different alliances that want to PVP in the area against the status quo and dominant sovereign holders, and our coalition! Oh god I hate PvP! I mean we still have them outnumbered by about 3 to 1 in average fleet numbers, and we could probably batphone in more than that, and we have way more capitals than them, and better circumstances to field them, but ****! I want to run anomalies! It's not fun when we aren't total helldeath blobbing!!
Shows what little you know, Arailis said he would never form an alliance with these people, and BAM there he is, getting his rear end handed to him in KBP7 at the same time as they are. S****tends to stick together it would seem. --------------------------- Edit. --------------------------- since when is s****a bad word?
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Suitonia
Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.07.27 06:36:00 -
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Originally by: Ae0lian
Shows what little you know, Arailis said he would never form an alliance with these people, and BAM there he is, getting his rear end handed to him in KBP7 at the same time as they are. S****tends to stick together it would seem.
We are working with CVA because it puts us in a position to get lots of fights that we like, and the opportunity to try some new gang formats, and apply our guerilla style of PvP to larger gangs, which is interesting and fun for us. If PvPing makes us 'scum', then you're a carebear.
Kinda ironic how Butter Dog used to be in insurgency, and now hes playing the part of NC blob that destroyed it! ---
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Tizian Enel
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.07.27 07:09:00 -
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Can't say much about the game mechanics, I don't fully understand them. It's okay to get betrayed, makes for a more interesting game. I've been logging on just to change skill training for a couple months now, this change will probably make me actually start playing again.
Time for my tears:
Originally by: "Tarac Nor" The ISK was a big motivation, but I can't say it was the only motive... I was getting bored with the alliance. Very few were active in the executor corporation and I suppose in the end I wanted to see how far things could go. I have to stress though, this wasn't meant to be personal.
I'd really have prefered getting betrayed by someone who did it all for the cash. Or for just about any other reason than 'I was bored'. Can't boredom be cured by any other means?
Also, how can a person spend a year in Ushra'Khan and still think what he did won't be considered personal?
Not angry at CVA for this either, they didn't cause it and it is all "legal".
In the future I hope such betrayers, especially in RP circles, create a better lie/story to explain the betrayal, it'll be more entertaining that way. This is just a big disappointment.
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Murrior
Amarr Thundercats RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.27 07:26:00 -
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Originally by: Ohh Yeah
Originally by: Mercurial Blood
Originally by: Razzor Death If everyone sends me 20mill each I will never stop pushing for a Co2 CAOD posting ban.
Will start once I hit 20b
go
... Razzor, no one really cares that much about Co2's posting.
I on the otherhand, am taking donations and once I reach 2.5B I will reveal Garmon's real first name!!!
-- Merc
Everyone already knows his first name is Ramsey. If you send me only 2.0B I will reveal his LAST NAME and a pic of him IRL.
Lies, that's he's last name.
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Antoine Lefevre
Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.07.27 07:32:00 -
[356]
Originally by: Ae0lian
Originally by: Tarac Nor Who said i was leaving eve, what gave you guys that idea????
even if you change accounts, people like you brag, and people that hear talk. I hope you enjoy rookie ships, cuz that about all your ever gonna fly once this is all settled
this
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Count MonteCarlo
Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.07.27 07:39:00 -
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Originally by: Ae0lian
Shows what little you know, Arailis said he would never form an alliance with these people, and BAM there he is, getting his rear end handed to him in KBP7 at the same time as they are. S****tends to stick together it would seem.
YES WE TOTALLY GOT OWNED THERE, YOU SURE SHOWED US
Linkage Friendly (94) Hostile (181)
41.07% Efficiency (ISK)
And that's after managing to kill two machs, I have no idea how it looks so well in our favour
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Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.07.27 07:40:00 -
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40% efficiency, how... ~elite pvp~
and congrats on holding the fie... owait ----------
~bitter dog~
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Count MonteCarlo
Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.07.27 07:50:00 -
[359]
not sure how ~elite pvp~ applies to us
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Kazzzi
Amarr Minmatar Ship Construction Services Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.07.27 07:53:00 -
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Originally by: Garreck
All that said...well, the message has been clear from U'K's end for a little while now, Kazzzi. The irony is U'K didn't need to play "dirty" to beat us in Provi, and if certain standards had been honored, this whole situation may've been called out by Aralis per previous instances if we felt that standard was still mutual.
By playing "dirty", are you referring to where we offered you a temp NIP, and came to the forums by the dozens to give you our best wishes, some of us even offering support when we believed you may have had your alliance disbanded by a spy?
Regardless of it turning out to be hacking, we didn't know it at the time and assumed the worst. If we were such ****ks, why did we overwhelmingly give kind words of support during that bleak time?
I was on Ushra'Khan council during the recent 'age of metagaming' I hear about so much, and what you all accuse us of doesn't match anything I've seen on this end.
You initiated SOV war against an entire nullsec power block. You probably had spies from twenty different alliances in your fleets, and so did we in our fleets. Your allies have pulled tons of shady crap over the years, so stop blaming us for everything that anyone we know has done to you. Seriously, get over it.
U'K waited stoically for years to turn the tables, I'm sure you'll have every opportunity for your revenge too. |
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