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SKroosterblowgoats	Posted - 2010.08.12 07:57:00 - [1] o7
Stick Cult Unspoken Autonomy.	Posted - 2010.08.12 07:59:00 - [2] Amazing game, just has a few points where it needs fixing up. Then there's lag, which CCP is working on, gf on the effort, now let's get results. Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
RifterDrifter They Found Oil On Your Anus	Posted - 2010.08.12 09:49:00 - [3] This Thread is now about Lag and why it's bad. _______________________________________________
RifterDrifter They Found Oil On Your Anus	Posted - 2010.08.12 09:50:00 - [4] Lag is bad. _______________________________________________
Cheap Dude	Posted - 2010.08.12 09:51:00 - [5] Well.. they clearly arent otherwise this topic would not exist
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.08.12 09:56:00 - [6] This topic's question is worthless. What exactly does constitute a "good job" anyway ? Is it "not bad" or is it "can't be better", maybe somewhere in between, but where exactly ? Also, is it right now, in the recent past, or overall since they started ? Obviously, they are doing a decent enough job overall, otherwise the game and forum would not exist. Obviously, they are not doing the best job, because it's practically impossible to always please everybody. So, the answer to the question posted by the OP can AT BEST be either highly subjective or very shortsighted. In other words, worthless. _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Atticus Fynch Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2010.08.12 10:17:00 - [7] Oh yes..doing an awesome job of collecting revenue. And that plex nerf really helps their bottom line.
Charles Javeroux Gallente INTERSTELLAR CREDIT	Posted - 2010.08.12 10:18:00 - [8] To be honest, CCP is actually doing a good job. EVE is still on course of continuous growth and expansion. Although there are still annoying issues and bugs in EVE, it's understandable that the bugfixing is a kind of expansion in itself. CCPs focus atm seems to be to deliver their due promises from the past. Originally by: Orek Fear I guess the ultimate solution to inflation in EVE turned out to be an NPC stripper...
Concord Protection	Posted - 2010.08.12 10:24:00 - [9]
voiddragon	Posted - 2010.08.12 10:26:00 - [10] They're doing a good job.
Bonny Lee Caldari Starkstrom Initiative Mercenaries	Posted - 2010.08.12 10:34:00 - [11] They are doing fine. There are things that i dont like but thats the way it has been in every game i¦ve ever played. I¦ve been here since 2006 and dont plan to go somewhere else so it seems i like EvE ;)
Dances WithWolves	Posted - 2010.08.12 10:38:00 - [12] Edited by: Dances WithWolves on 12/08/2010 10:38:50 Lag is bad, PI is crap and waste of resources, eve gate / spacebook online is crap and waste of resources, market is crashed and crap, sov mechanics crap, industry sov index's crap, plexing now crap, drone regions not having npc constellations is crap, I have more but short story, ccp = crap.
DonHel Gallente Kentucky Fried Capsuleer	Posted - 2010.08.12 10:45:00 - [13] I think they are doing a good job, but have lost focus. Trying too hard to implement new stuff and making game worse, instead of focusing on what they have currently and making it better
Antihrist Pripravnik 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.08.12 10:53:00 - [14] Originally by: Atticus Fynch plex nerf Anyway, CCP is doing a good job. Not as good as it could be, but still not bad at all.
Doctor Ungabungas Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.08.12 10:53:00 - [15] Originally by: Charles Javeroux CCPs focus atm seems to be to get their WOD engine completed in the next 18 months. ftfy.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.08.12 10:56:00 - [16] Originally by: Atticus Fynch plex nerf Right... because not changing one single thing except ADDING THE OPTION to move them is a "nerf" _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Lise Kahel	Posted - 2010.08.12 10:56:00 - [17] Originally by: Dances WithWolves Edited by: Dances WithWolves on 12/08/2010 10:38:50 Lag is bad, PI is crap and waste of resources, eve gate / spacebook online is crap and waste of resources, market is crashed and crap, sov mechanics crap, industry sov index's crap, plexing now crap, drone regions not having npc constellations is crap, I have more but short story, ccp = crap. Constructive. EVE's perfect for the majority of players. Overall, complaints have been from 1+9 % of users actually visiting the forums. I'm going to guess that's less than significant for CCP to even give a crap, especially with most comments more or less representing what you just wasted my screen space with. And I agree. It would take too much resources to try to keep an insignificant population happy. Insignificant as in no change on the bottom line. Dust on the other hand will most likely make investments back within a few weeks and generate some damn good PR as in being the first of it's kind (nothing like some obscure online mag trying to make a story with forum quotes, lol). Incarna will in my opinion at least increase EVE's subscriber base by 50%, if not more.
Aesheera Amarr Hello Kitty Goes Commando	Posted - 2010.08.12 10:58:00 - [18] EVE is good. Every game has it flaws. I just chose not to be so nitpicky. Pro's of eve greatly outweigh the minimal con's. * * We need more cats!
Doctor Ungabungas Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.08.12 11:01:00 - [19] Originally by: Lise Kahel Incarna will in my opinion at least increase EVE's subscriber base by 50%, if not more. Not with the so-called '10 percent' drumming up bad publicity it won't.
Dances WithWolves	Posted - 2010.08.12 11:06:00 - [20] Originally by: Lise Kahel Originally by: Dances WithWolves Edited by: Dances WithWolves on 12/08/2010 10:38:50 Lag is bad, PI is crap and waste of resources, eve gate / spacebook online is crap and waste of resources, market is crashed and crap, sov mechanics crap, industry sov index's crap, plexing now crap, drone regions not having npc constellations is crap, I have more but short story, ccp = crap. Constructive. EVE's perfect for the majority of players. Overall, complaints have been from 1+9 % of users actually visiting the forums. I'm going to guess that's less than significant for CCP to even give a crap, especially with most comments more or less representing what you just wasted my screen space with. And I agree. It would take too much resources to try to keep an insignificant population happy. Insignificant as in no change on the bottom line. Dust on the other hand will most likely make investments back within a few weeks and generate some damn good PR as in being the first of it's kind (nothing like some obscure online mag trying to make a story with forum quotes, lol). Incarna will in my opinion at least increase EVE's subscriber base by 50%, if not more. Still doesn't change the fact that CCP are more and more taking the game in directions that is against its own majority player base, meaning it will slowly lose its majority playerbase. It is not by far, just a minority as you try to make it out to be. CCP used to make decisions on quality rather than quantity, and what was good for the game instead of what is popular or flavour of the month like most cookie cutter MMO's. I guess things change.
Kanuo Ashkeron Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.08.12 11:11:00 - [21] Posting to answer the topic. -- Destroyable Infrastructure
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.08.12 11:13:00 - [22] Hard to say, because we haven't seen anything they've been working on yet. My deepest sympathies. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Julienne Poirier Gallente	Posted - 2010.08.12 11:31:00 - [23] o/ Linkage á --- how to search eve
Shawna Gray Gallente	Posted - 2010.08.12 11:35:00 - [24] Originally by: Doctor Ungabungas Originally by: Lise Kahel Incarna will in my opinion at least increase EVE's subscriber base by 50%, if not more. Not with the so-called '10 percent' drumming up bad publicity it won't. Those so-called 10 percent are pretty much irrelevant.
Dan O'Connor Cerberus Network Dignitas.	Posted - 2010.08.12 11:36:00 - [25] Originally by: SKroosterblowgoats o7 They are doing better than most, pretty amazing thing they pulled off alltogether... I mean the EVE universe, the community, the code, and how it all comes together. Sure there are problems - but if there weren't, it'd be less fun. <My tools> CCP Zymurgist > lol thats great Dan O'connor
Doctor Ungabungas Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.08.12 11:38:00 - [26] Originally by: Shawna Gray Those so-called 10 percent are pretty much irrelevant. Hilmar Petturson, is that you?
Shawna Gray Gallente	Posted - 2010.08.12 11:39:00 - [27] Edited by: Shawna Gray on 12/08/2010 11:39:48 Originally by: Doctor Ungabungas Originally by: Shawna Gray Those so-called 10 percent are pretty much irrelevant. Hilmar Petturson, is that you? Yes its me.
Sarton Wells	Posted - 2010.08.12 11:41:00 - [28] Originally by: Dances WithWolves Originally by: Lise Kahel Originally by: Dances WithWolves Edited by: Dances WithWolves on 12/08/2010 10:38:50 Lag is bad, PI is crap and waste of resources, eve gate / spacebook online is crap and waste of resources, market is crashed and crap, sov mechanics crap, industry sov index's crap, plexing now crap, drone regions not having npc constellations is crap, I have more but short story, ccp = crap. Constructive. EVE's perfect for the majority of players. Overall, complaints have been from 1+9 % of users actually visiting the forums. I'm going to guess that's less than significant for CCP to even give a crap, especially with most comments more or less representing what you just wasted my screen space with. And I agree. It would take too much resources to try to keep an insignificant population happy. Insignificant as in no change on the bottom line. Dust on the other hand will most likely make investments back within a few weeks and generate some damn good PR as in being the first of it's kind (nothing like some obscure online mag trying to make a story with forum quotes, lol). Incarna will in my opinion at least increase EVE's subscriber base by 50%, if not more. Still doesn't change the fact that CCP are more and more taking the game in directions that is against its own majority player base, meaning it will slowly lose its majority playerbase. It is not by far, just a minority as you try to make it out to be. CCP used to make decisions on quality rather than quantity, and what was good for the game instead of what is popular or flavour of the month like most cookie cutter MMO's. I guess things change. Some statistics would be nice. What percentage of the subscribers don't plan on renewing their subscriptions? And those that will renew but only because they hope their problems will be fixed soon, how long are they planning to wait?
Hari Markkus Freelancing Corp Confederation of Independent Corporations	Posted - 2010.08.12 11:56:00 - [29] in here
Shawna Gray Gallente	Posted - 2010.08.12 11:58:00 - [30] We here at CCP can confirm a massive drop in subscription numbers. Today I got the latest statistics showing 11 people had cancelled their 1 year subscription plan. They had no intentions of renewing their subscription before it runs out sometime in 2011. The uproar against CCP continues and today I got an email from a customer saying he would only keep 4 of his 6 accounts logged on from now on as a sign of protest against the direction we at CCP are taking.
Steijn Minmatar Quay Industries	Posted - 2010.08.12 12:15:00 - [31] Originally by: DonHel I think they are doing a good job, but have lost focus. Trying too hard to implement new stuff and making game worse, instead of focusing on what they have currently and making it better ^^^ this.
Dr Sheepbringer Gallente	Posted - 2010.08.12 12:20:00 - [32] Yes, they are doing a good job. You have to remember that NOT everybody in CCP can tackle lag issues. I mean what would happen if the graphical artists tried to fix the lag issues?! Yikes (of course they have a part to play in lag too). I do think they should take turns in beating the lag-guys/girls. Just to motivate them. Pain is always fun. Specially when it's others. Stop whining.
Helgur Steel Soldier's	Posted - 2010.08.12 12:35:00 - [33] Oh yeah, they are doing such a good job they should get a reward for it. No wait .... BHHHAAHAHAHAHA!
Artemis Rose Clandestine Vector	Posted - 2010.08.12 12:46:00 - [34] An MMO that only keeps growing well past its launch is generally a sign the company is doing a good job. As for the crybabies, whiners and haters.... well they are also doing a great job in griefing you *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats
Eternum Praetorian True Creation	Posted - 2010.08.12 12:54:00 - [35] Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 12/08/2010 12:55:07 Originally by: Akita T This topic's question is worthless. What exactly does constitute a "good job" anyway ? Is it "not bad" or is it "can't be better", maybe somewhere in between, but where exactly ? Also, is it right now, in the recent past, or overall since they started ? Obviously, they are doing a decent enough job overall, otherwise the game and forum would not exist. Obviously, they are not doing the best job, because it's practically impossible to always please everybody. So, the answer to the question posted by the OP can AT BEST be either highly subjective or very shortsighted. In other words, worthless. Change the title to "Do You Think CCP Has Made A Game That Is Still One Of The Best Around" and philosophers like that won't be able to pull that kind of crap on you. To that topic I salute 07. If EVE sucked that badly none of us would still be playing it, or see a need to whine about it.
SKroosterblowgoats	Posted - 2010.08.12 13:09:00 - [36] Editied the name
Eternum Praetorian True Creation	Posted - 2010.08.12 13:12:00 - [37] And now sadly I must head to work, so I will have to wait until later to see Akita T's counter flaming
Catherine Frasier	Posted - 2010.08.12 13:46:00 - [38] One of the best around, no. The best around, yes. If any of you feel differently, what are you doing here?
Y Berion Minmatar	Posted - 2010.08.12 13:50:00 - [39] Yes EVE is generally one of the best games and certainly the best single MMORPG out there.
Guilliman R Gallente Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.08.12 13:50:00 - [40] Made, as in IDEA, sure. Nothing will top EVE anytime soon in that respect. But maintained? No, multiple years old bugs, lack of finished content, RMT laxness, exploits that stay for months, and our money going to console game development while eve wont be looked at for the next 18 months. They fail on that big time. Even The Sims has better reputation then EVE on content development.
Catherine Frasier	Posted - 2010.08.12 14:02:00 - [41] Originally by: Guilliman R Even The Sims has better reputation then EVE on content development. "Even" the largest, best selling video game franchise in history? Quelle suprise!
Guilliman R Gallente Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.08.12 14:08:00 - [42] Originally by: Catherine Frasier Originally by: Guilliman R Even The Sims has better reputation then EVE on content development. "Even" the largest, best selling video game franchise in history? Quelle suprise! "Excellence" -ccp
Ran Khanon Amarr Swords Horses and Heavy Metal	Posted - 2010.08.12 14:10:00 - [43] Originally by: Aesheera EVE is good. Every game has it flaws. I just chose not to be so nitpicky. Pro's of eve greatly outweigh the minimal con's. This this this this this this this this this this this this this ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Ealthor Amarr Veyr The Veyr Collective	Posted - 2010.08.12 14:10:00 - [44] I wonder how many of the chaps complaining have tried other MMORPGs? I personally have experience of Eq1, Vanguard, GW, AoC, WAR and EQ2 and can safely say that even with the various issues EVE Online has it still blows them away and I maintain that CCP is the best company in the business when it comes to communication. They may not be right in the decisions they make any more than any other company but I can respect a company that publishes it's reasons behind making changes.
OmniBeton	Posted - 2010.08.12 14:11:00 - [45] EVE is not one of the best, it IS the best, in the way that there is no other game similar to it. But this is about to change.
Ana Vyr	Posted - 2010.08.12 14:17:00 - [46] EvE is a fantasic game, but CCP needs to keep the ball in play, and lately they've been dropping it.
Sarton Wells	Posted - 2010.08.12 14:19:00 - [47] Originally by: OmniBeton EVE is not one of the best, it IS the best, in the way that there is no other game similar to it. But this is about to change. How so?
Minchurra Caldari Feudum Chalybis The Spire Collective	Posted - 2010.08.12 14:21:00 - [48] I dont play any other MMO games because none of them have interested me, or seemed worth selling 1/10th of my liver a month to keep playing. I took a gamble and tried EVE and it was good.
OmniBeton	Posted - 2010.08.12 14:27:00 - [49] Originally by: Sarton Wells Originally by: OmniBeton EVE is not one of the best, it IS the best, in the way that there is no other game similar to it. But this is about to change. How so? Other space MMOs ? Some of them will be failures, other won't ressemble EVE but sooner or later EVE online will have some real competition. It's success encouraged other development teams to go into space MMO bussiness and create some alternative.
Sarton Wells	Posted - 2010.08.12 14:33:00 - [50] Originally by: OmniBeton Other space MMOs ? Some of them will be failures, other won't ressemble EVE but sooner or later EVE online will have some real competition. It's success encouraged other development teams to go into space MMO bussiness and create some alternative. Not necessarily. There are many fantasy mmorpgs that have tried to emulate the success of wow and have failed. Even though there is a constant stream of whines about how sucky wow has become. So it's really not that easy to make a successful mmo game. Especially in a kind-of-a niche genre like spaceship sandbox mmo. Will eve eventually be discontinued? Of course! Either because a worthy adversary has arrived or because CCP decide to go suicidal. But I doubt it would be in the next 3-4-5 years. And maybe even more.
Xroxreariad Ramatarapap	Posted - 2010.08.12 14:35:00 - [51] Originally by: Ealthor I wonder how many of the chaps complaining have tried other MMORPGs? I bet most of them whiners didn't. Otherwise they would know to appreciate what we have here and also learn to be more realistic.
Mallikanth	Posted - 2010.08.12 14:37:00 - [52] To the OP: Yes. Without a doubt, even taking into account it's faults.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.08.12 14:40:00 - [53] Originally by: Eternum Praetorian Originally by: Akita T This topic's question is worthless. What exactly does constitute a "good job" anyway ? Is it "not bad" or is it "can't be better", maybe somewhere in between, but where exactly ? Also, is it right now, in the recent past, or overall since they started ? Obviously, they are doing a decent enough job overall, otherwise the game and forum would not exist. Obviously, they are not doing the best job, because it's practically impossible to always please everybody. So, the answer to the question posted by the OP can AT BEST be either highly subjective or very shortsighted. In other words, worthless. Change the title to "Do You Think CCP Has Made A Game That Is Still One Of The Best Around" and philosophers like that won't be able to pull that kind of crap on you. Totally YES on the changed topic question I'll do you one better, even : CCP has managed to make THE BEST MMO that's (still) around (so far). It can still be improved though... a lot ! _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Syn Callibri Blacklight Incorporated	Posted - 2010.08.12 14:41:00 - [54] To the OP...EVE is the best that is out there. What that means depends on who you talk to. i/m/h/o EVE is good, but it can be great again. Syn Callibri Ilharess to the Scorpion Tribe
CyberGh0st Minmatar Ara Veritas	Posted - 2010.08.12 14:50:00 - [55] Originally by: Ealthor I wonder how many of the chaps complaining have tried other MMORPGs? I personally have experience of Eq1, Vanguard, GW, AoC, WAR and EQ2 and can safely say that even with the various issues EVE Online has it still blows them away and I maintain that CCP is the best company in the business when it comes to communication. They may not be right in the decisions they make any more than any other company but I can respect a company that publishes it's reasons behind making changes. I personally have experience with Age of Conan, Dark Age of Camelot, Dofuc, Entropia, Everquest, Fallen Earth, Guild Wars, Jumpgate, Lineage, Lord of the Rings Online, Phantasy Star Universe, Planetside, Rubies of Eventide, Ryzom, Second Life, Star Wars Galaxies, Starquest Online, Ultima Online, Vogaye Century, Warhammer Online and World of Warcraft and can safely say that EVE Online is below average in polishing their game. I must agree that they have above average communication, but that is not the issue here. The issue is that they are no longer ( did they ever? ) polish their game, but rather add more incomplete features. A simple example ( to avoid talking about the lag ) is the sound system, it is beyond belief how it is possible to break the sound system of an mmorpg and only 1,5 years later it is fixed, to a degree where it is workable, but still alot worse than before ( positional sound implementation is really bad, but at least most bugs are fixed ). Look at Ryzom, a sandbox that is alot more polished than EVE with only a fraction of the manpower. http://www.mmodata.net Favorite MMO's : DAoC Pre-TOA-NF / SWG Pre-CU-NGE
OmniBeton	Posted - 2010.08.12 14:52:00 - [56] Originally by: Sarton Wells Originally by: OmniBeton Other space MMOs ? Some of them will be failures, other won't ressemble EVE but sooner or later EVE online will have some real competition. It's success encouraged other development teams to go into space MMO bussiness and create some alternative. Not necessarily. There are many fantasy mmorpgs that have tried to emulate the success of wow and have failed. Even though there is a constant stream of whines about how sucky wow has become. So it's really not that easy to make a successful mmo game. Especially in a kind-of-a niche genre like spaceship sandbox mmo. Will eve eventually be discontinued? Of course! Either because a worthy adversary has arrived or because CCP decide to go suicidal. But I doubt it would be in the next 3-4-5 years. And maybe even more. Remember WoW did not appear out of thin air - there was entire Worldcraft game series before, that prepared playerbase for WoW. That way WoW could be compared more likely to ST:Online. Eve online will continue for long time but there are some games on the horizon, like Jumpgate Evolution or Black Prophecy that may take some subscribers from it sooner than in 3 years
Sarton Wells	Posted - 2010.08.12 15:04:00 - [57] Jumpgate evolution is still quite a long ways away. It may very well be sc****d altogether considering when it was supposed to be finished. Still it'll be a very different game from eve. It will be a twitch-based arcade shooter. I will of course play it because I enjoy such games as well. But I very much doubt most of eve's subscribers are so interested in twitch-based gameplay. If they were I would expect they'd have gone to Vendetta Online. Btw I've never heard about Black Prophecy. Will probably try it tough. Thanks for the heads-up However it still seems to be twitch-based so again the same point as with jumpgate. Yes warcraft is a huge franchise. But as we saw with ST it doesn't guarantee success. What blizzard did with wow is what they do with all their other games - they copy a popular game's gameplay and make it better. Which is why it started being so successful. Now it's just a game everyone's playing because everyone's playing. Even though there are much better mmos out there.
Darth Kilth Minmatar Daisho Syndicate	Posted - 2010.08.12 15:23:00 - [58] They are doing good, but they have yet to achieve Excellence. Originally by: CCP Capslock OH GOD THE TESTING
Ascuris Wurm	Posted - 2010.08.12 16:12:00 - [59] This thread should be renamed Men Who Stare at SKroosterblowgoats
Sky Orcagna	Posted - 2010.08.12 18:19:00 - [60] Edited by: Sky Orcagna on 12/08/2010 18:21:23 EVE is a great game that is, unfortunately, far past its prime. It's kind of sad to watch EVE slowly devolve from one of the most innovative and dynamic PC games into the stagnant mess that it has become today. Like an old boxer or cage fighter that keeps fighting way past his prime, EVE still has a base of loyal fans and a lot of good memories. But it's also kind of sad to watch the current crop of EVE devs thrash around rather cluelessly, stubbornly defending all the great "improvements" and "expanded content" that has been haphazardly bolted on to EVE's archaic structure. It didn't have to be this way. But CCP's truly inept long term planning and astonishing lack of understanding of how to design and polish has probably condemned EVE to a long, slow slide into irrelevancy. Oh, EVE's subscription numbers still look pretty good, at least on paper. And there are still flashes of EVE's earlier brilliance here and there. But the game's core vision long ago morphed from something dark, violent and mysterious into something tired, stagnant, and utterly predictable. Gamers thrive on challenge. They crave new and unpredictable experiences. They revel in competing against one another and in the thrill of being a part of something larger than themselves. Sadly, CCP only pays lip service to such concepts these days and seems to have completely forgotten how to actually deliver content that energizes and excites players. CCP has succeeded in doing the impossible. They've managed to turn the boundless infinity of deep space into something about as exciting and unpredictable as the local Wal-Mart. What a shame.
Cpt Flowers Caldari Tyrans d'Or	Posted - 2010.08.12 18:20:00 - [61] I think a lot of what CCP is doing for the game is good, (incarna, dust etc..) however its date to release is all a while away. Im sure the game is to improve drastically however its gonna take a bit of time from the looks of it.
Jovialmadness	Posted - 2010.08.12 18:26:00 - [62] Yes. Eve is an epic.
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2010.08.12 21:10:00 - [63] You can say you play a game better than EvE but you don't. This is clearly a signature.
Pesky LaRue Minmatar The Magnificent Bastards	Posted - 2010.08.12 21:40:00 - [64] Yes, I believe that - warts and all - this is the biggest, most complete and (subjectively speaking) "best" MMOG to date. At some point I'm sure it will be surpassed but given the seeming aversion to anything sandbox-related within the most recent batch of MMOG's, and those slated for release in the next year or so, someone is going to have to take a leap of faith and buck the themepark-trend that has been so prevalent in the last few years. the new Star Wars MMOG coming up is getting a lot of oooh's and ahhhhh's but from the information that's been made available so far, it's going to be a themepark. A multiplayer themepark. I honestly believe EvE will remain at the top of the niche market indefinitely, as themeparks eventually lose their luster, whereas the more you dig in a sandbox, the further you go. .
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2010.08.12 22:04:00 - [65] EVE is still better than anything else out there.
Commander Shag No Trademark Phoenix Virtue	Posted - 2010.08.12 22:09:00 - [66] Originally by: SKroosterblowgoats o7 Nice name, too bad he stopped playing. I kinda miss him. EVE is still a good game, even with its countless issues.
Hakamadare	Posted - 2010.08.12 22:24:00 - [67] CCP has made a great game. Otherwise, we wouldn't care about it so much. Kudos to the CCP Devs and to the players for making our game and our community a fun place to be. As for the whiners, you ladies need to quit and go play WOW.
Ghaylenty	Posted - 2010.08.12 23:51:00 - [68] the only way eve would die is if CCP introduced a patch which completely ruined the game. as it stands right now, id wager 10% of people are truly unhappy to the point of not logging in, 10% of those 10% are willing to quit, and the rest 90% are willing to wait until ccp either makes or breaks eve again. id consider this a fair assessment. i actually fly amarr
Elpyh Amarr Phoenix Tribe Art of Defiance	Posted - 2010.08.13 07:40:00 - [69] Edited by: Elpyh on 13/08/2010 07:40:50 I was too lazy to go through all replies but caught this on first page: Originally by: Dances WithWolves Edited by: Dances WithWolves on 12/08/2010 10:38:50 Lag is bad, PI is crap and waste of resources, eve gate / spacebook online is crap and waste of resources, market is crashed and crap, sov mechanics crap, industry sov index's crap, plexing now crap, drone regions not having npc constellations is crap, I have more but short story, ccp = crap. So why do you play it? Personally Ill let the fact I'm playing eve speak for itself. I wouldnt be playing it if the game wasnt good. All games have their share of problems and same goes for eve but in the big picture CCP is doing a good job. But they need to fix hybrids
Atticus Fynch Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2010.08.13 13:05:00 - [70] Originally by: Aesheera EVE is good. Every game has it flaws. I just chose not to be so nitpicky. Pro's of eve greatly outweigh the minimal con's. Best reply here yet.
Sedilis Lead Farmers	Posted - 2010.08.13 13:11:00 - [71] Confirming Eve is still awesome. ... and the whiny little *****es they added to the forums in the last expansion are my favourite. Hours of fun!
Gneeznow Minmatar Ship spinners inc	Posted - 2010.08.13 13:19:00 - [72] still the best but wont be for forever, its going backwards these days and the game is declining in quality with all the broken features being piled on top of other broken features
Shawna Gray Gallente	Posted - 2010.08.13 13:24:00 - [73] Edited by: Shawna Gray on 13/08/2010 13:24:00 Originally by: Gneeznow still the best but wont be for forever, its going backwards these days and the game is declining in quality with all the broken features being piled on top of other broken features It will remain on top for a long while because noone is attempting to replace it. Atm everyone that makes mmo's are trying to take wow's customers or make some simpler game like an mmofps. I have been looking around for a new mmo and they are all the same crap.
Kireiina	Posted - 2010.08.13 14:00:00 - [74] There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that Eve is a terrible game. Yahtzee was absolutely right. The complexity is largely accidental (shove enough detail in a game and it looks like depth), the UI is tragic, the gameplay is largely dull, content is sparse (excused partly because so is space) and it is full of bugs and poor design choices... like the fact a large portion of the ships in Eve have no redeeming value and the highly questionable SoV mechanics. Added to that the developers are clearly over-commited and unable to keep the aging Eve maintained (if you can't track a major regression in 9 months your code base is in serious trouble and your testing process failed). At the same time there is no other MMO that allows players the freedom to build empires on such a grand scale. Whether a financial / Industrial empire in safe space, a band of blood thirsty pirates in low-sec or a mighty space empire in null-sec. So as such Eve is fascinatingly unique and the players have seized and feuded over the global map and generated character in the process. Of course if CCP loses that player dynamic, which is also part of what draws people into the game, then all that is left is an empty void. The lack of any other even moderately decent sci-fi MMO's (STO /laugh) doesn't hurt either. That and the skill training system has made people strongly bound to their characters as they don't readily "level cap" as in other MMO's which has done a lot for retention.
Sarton Wells	Posted - 2010.08.13 14:43:00 - [75] Terrible compared to what? I have never played a mmo that has even closely the complexity of eve. Accidental or not. The UI is very much serviceable although it would be best simply to be able to customize it. Obviously it's impossible to have a GUI that pleases everyone. Very rarely did I have any dull moments and considering most of the content is player generated I don't see how it can be sparse. As long as enough people are playing it. But that's the concept of the game anyway. The game is actually relatively bug-free. Take a look at warhammer when it was released for example. Heck, even wow has quite a few bugs that haven't been fixed for years! And considering the design choices - well that's just your opinion.
Yeay Fritg Caldari Confrerie de Kaedri Cluster Of Rebirth	Posted - 2010.08.13 14:48:00 - [76] Eve was great. Eve is still good. Each eve extension we have less and less working. Eve will no more evolve if CPP don't fnish the Dominion and tyrannis extensions.
Chuck Sands	Posted - 2010.08.13 15:07:00 - [77] EVE is still the best and most unique MMO you can play. CCP is doing a fine job and I look forward to the the future of the game.
Malaclypse Muscaria	Posted - 2010.08.13 15:23:00 - [78] Lag does not affect me (anymore), but my pet peeve with EVE are stations located on the dark side of planets / moons. I move around a lot, and sometimes I come across a station that meets a number of requirements and characteristics that would make it just the right place for a certain endeavour or another... except that when I undock, instead of indulging my celestial body fetish, I'm presented with a large disk of nothingness filling up my screen... Dark Side of the Moon belongs on my stereo, not on my computer. I have other minor issues with EVE, such as the little space gnomes that hide in dark corners of my spaceship and sometimes interfere with my communications, inserting into them random gibberish, wanton insults, David Hasselhoff songs or simply gnisrever ym sdrow, all of which makes my interaction with others rather challenging at times - but other than that, there's no other game that even compares to EVE.
000Hunter000 Gallente Industrial Exploits Massive Intergalactic Love Klub	Posted - 2010.08.13 16:06:00 - [79] To all the people who whine that EVE is bad and are gonna quit now or in the near future... UR STUFFZ!!! GIV IT TO ME!!! ________________________________________________
Draconyx	Posted - 2010.08.13 16:23:00 - [80] Yes. I have played other games from time to time and always come back to EvE. Is EvE perfect, NO. But it is whole lot better in so many ways then anything else out there. And yes does EVE have time sinks, YUP and in case you didn't know that is the whole idea behind a MMO, you spend lots of time doing things and if your lucky you NEVER see end game. That is value for money. Not spend 20 Euro, Dollar whatever only to hit end game in one or two weeks, that in my opinion is a waste of money. But hey to each there own, instant gratification is over there with those other games. I prefer to waste years playing a game.
King Aires Reliables Inc Majesta Empire	Posted - 2010.08.13 17:00:00 - [81] Because there is no alternative to what eve gives I would rank eve as 1/1 making it the best, the worst and the most played game like itself. Eve ranks: 1/1 for everything because there is no competition. The day competition comes, I fear eve will turn into that joke you talk about with your friends how you wasted 7 or 8 years of your life on a game that was not worth it. Until that competition arrives, eve will still be worth it. The views expressed above are not those of my corp or an expression of where my corp stands.
Hari Markkus Freelancing Corp Confederation of Independent Corporations	Posted - 2010.08.13 17:10:00 - [82] Eve is still one of the best games out there. But Mario Kart is still the best game, ever.
bioshocker	Posted - 2010.08.13 17:19:00 - [83] Played for 7 years and though all the changes I have been ok with them till recently in the past 3 years I have seen this game going down hill Hardcore #1 I would say CCP problem really became apparent with the ôneed for speed changesö CCP dose what they want and could careless how it affects the game or displaces the player base who where used to how the game worked prior to the changes this isnÆt a very good plan in subscription based game It seems ccp isnÆt in the business of small tweaks but likes to shake the etch a sketch completely clean again and draw a new picture rather than tweak. Again this really has horrible effect on the player base as whole I would imagine I am one of the few who has played there game this long most get fed up and bail with all these constant changes. #2 Sov Changes holler really hold up your going to change the Sov Mechanics after 6+ years? Seriously CCP Dudes make an eve 2 and leave us the Hell alone we like our game ? #3 PI great a way to budded up 0.0 after bending them over the fence with sov changes give them the majority of pos resources and make running a pos more expensive in empire than in 0.0 due to the plentiful amounts resources à again **** off another demographic of players seems ccp is good at that. So now fuels in empire are 10-15x there original cost again MAKE EVE 2 and stop ruining EVE 1 #4 I can only imagine the train wreck that this walking in stations expansion is going to be is there a point? or are you trying to attract the wow demographic of mmo players sence you seem to be losing them hand over fist I am betting so after hearing about dust its obvious to me your hard pressed to get more players your even trying to field the console and fps market. Some critical concepts that make Encarta a fail or a win, dose it add anything useful to the game if its going to a place to play cards or get your cyber junks off thatÆs a waste of dev you could add new models or fix other problems in the game. Over all here is what I see a lot people who love the game when it benefits them and screws over the old player base but those same people will be next in turn for the bending over so whatever Yep canceled my accounts and taking a break if Encarta is a joke designed like a bug attractor for wow mmo losers to get more cash I wont be back over all I never say I am totally quitting
Ma'kal The Imperial Commonwealth Damage Control II	Posted - 2010.08.13 17:23:00 - [84] Yes, although I it feels that CCP has been giving a lot of resources to Dust and WOD online. But can I blame them for trying to get more sources of income, I guess not. Eve is still the best MMORPG out there.
Draconyx	Posted - 2010.08.13 17:28:00 - [85] You know when a game is over it is just over. IF anyone has played Elite, Ultima (NOT the MMO), Wing Commander, even EQ1 or any game really with a campaign mode it is not about finishing the game. It is about the journey that makes the game. When you think back on those games you don't think I finished them in 3 days or 7 days. You think back and remember this mission was a @*&^#$, and completing this task I had to..... FPS's are the zero content go in kill this done in 30 minutes move on games. Unfortunately it seems this ideal has been long forgotten in most mmo's or maybe it is just the players that have forgot. So as long as CCP & the players don't forget it is the journey that makes a game then EvE will continue to be the best game out there. And when EvE does finally end will I say I wasted 17 or 18 years playing the game. NO I will simply say I played EvE for 17 or 18 years and I remember when I had too.........

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