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Hakera
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Posted - 2004.12.23 16:22:00 -
[121]
 Originally by: Ruffio Sepico
Sure, thats why production costs(sales price) of t2 ships reflect the insurance on them so good, duh!
never base the value of items on CCP values, their base values come straight out of a dev;'s head and are not related to true value in the game version of simplified insurance.
IMO T2 is not overpriced for what you get tbh. CCP's insurance values are undervalued. If the reverse was the case, they would increase supply (which they have not done until recently) as agents now drop T2 componants by the truckload further depressing any viable market for player produced T2.
Dumbledore - Eve-I.com |
Hakera
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Posted - 2004.12.23 16:22:00 -
[122]
Originally by: Ruffio Sepico
Sure, thats why production costs(sales price) of t2 ships reflect the insurance on them so good, duh!
never base the value of items on CCP values, their base values come straight out of a dev;'s head and are not related to true value in the game version of simplified insurance.
IMO T2 is not overpriced for what you get tbh. CCP's insurance values are undervalued. If the reverse was the case, they would increase supply (which they have not done until recently) as agents now drop T2 componants by the truckload further depressing any viable market for player produced T2.
Dumbledore - Eve-I.com |
FZappa
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Posted - 2004.12.23 16:33:00 -
[123]
"mine your ice , then it costs nothing"
err ? i wouldnt call the time spent mining ice as nothing.
i could be doing other things alot less mind numbing that
will in the end get me the more then the amount of isk id
make in a week running POS .
POS are for big corps , not for solo or even a small corp.
you need a crew that will mine the ice , and haulers to move
the stuff .
and in the end , if the corp members dont get bored out of
their teeth from this repeating boring work and rebel , you
might even make a small insignificant amount of isk :)
which you paid for with countless man hours.
YaY for POS
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FZappa
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Posted - 2004.12.23 16:33:00 -
[124]
"mine your ice , then it costs nothing"
err ? i wouldnt call the time spent mining ice as nothing.
i could be doing other things alot less mind numbing that
will in the end get me the more then the amount of isk id
make in a week running POS .
POS are for big corps , not for solo or even a small corp.
you need a crew that will mine the ice , and haulers to move
the stuff .
and in the end , if the corp members dont get bored out of
their teeth from this repeating boring work and rebel , you
might even make a small insignificant amount of isk :)
which you paid for with countless man hours.
YaY for POS
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Crayathan
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Posted - 2004.12.23 16:56:00 -
[125]
One thing ccp have failed to take into account is that even though tech 2 comps might drop in price, it doesn't mean that tech 2 builders will drop their prices.
STOP AGENT'S DROPPING COMPS
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Crayathan
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Posted - 2004.12.23 16:56:00 -
[126]
One thing ccp have failed to take into account is that even though tech 2 comps might drop in price, it doesn't mean that tech 2 builders will drop their prices.
STOP AGENT'S DROPPING COMPS
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Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no evil |
voidvim
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Posted - 2004.12.23 17:24:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Crayathan
One thing ccp have failed to take into account is that even though tech 2 comps might drop in price, it doesn't mean that tech 2 builders will drop their prices.
STOP AGENT'S DROPPING COMPS
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quite true I very much dout cap recharger II have any thing to do with the product cost
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voidvim
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Posted - 2004.12.23 17:24:00 -
[128]
Originally by: Crayathan
One thing ccp have failed to take into account is that even though tech 2 comps might drop in price, it doesn't mean that tech 2 builders will drop their prices.
STOP AGENT'S DROPPING COMPS
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quite true I very much dout cap recharger II have any thing to do with the product cost
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Kar Harkuna
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Posted - 2004.12.23 18:33:00 -
[129]
People have only just started getting into large barges. Mine your own ice 1 person mining in a retriever can in 1 hour keep a POS running for 8 yes 8 hours so you have a few people doing it it really really takes nothing and that's the medium barge so no astro V barge V etc. The rest of the components will cost max 1 mill per day that is if you don't have the brains to ask your agent runners to move to corps that drop coolant/mechanical parts/robotics its fairly easy to find them.
Finally if you really really need a hint ever remember targetting convoys?
Honestly some people want it handed to them on a plate.
It should cost you no more than 1 mill per day to run a POS if you mine your own ice - true more if you don't but thats what treaties are for. As for making a profit I would say it isn't going to happen for a long long time but it does give you a nice base of operations for storing ammo/sharing rat loot etc etc
They can be easily run by small corps it just takes a bit of organisation but then CCP said that didn't they.
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Kar Harkuna
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Posted - 2004.12.23 18:33:00 -
[130]
People have only just started getting into large barges. Mine your own ice 1 person mining in a retriever can in 1 hour keep a POS running for 8 yes 8 hours so you have a few people doing it it really really takes nothing and that's the medium barge so no astro V barge V etc. The rest of the components will cost max 1 mill per day that is if you don't have the brains to ask your agent runners to move to corps that drop coolant/mechanical parts/robotics its fairly easy to find them.
Finally if you really really need a hint ever remember targetting convoys?
Honestly some people want it handed to them on a plate.
It should cost you no more than 1 mill per day to run a POS if you mine your own ice - true more if you don't but thats what treaties are for. As for making a profit I would say it isn't going to happen for a long long time but it does give you a nice base of operations for storing ammo/sharing rat loot etc etc
They can be easily run by small corps it just takes a bit of organisation but then CCP said that didn't they.
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Shintai
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Posted - 2004.12.23 23:04:00 -
[131]
Here is a POS chain example on armour plates and how much a loss they are. 
http://mafia.moof.dk/eve/pos.html
Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry |
Shintai
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Posted - 2004.12.23 23:04:00 -
[132]
Here is a POS chain example on armour plates and how much a loss they are.
http://mafia.moof.dk/eve/pos.html
Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry |
Nomen Nescio
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Posted - 2004.12.24 00:31:00 -
[133]
Edited by: Nomen Nescio on 24/12/2004 00:33:14
Guys, due all respect.
Its not about tech2 getting ANY cheaper. Components are not the reason for insane prices, agent drops, mission rewards....
Until current situation with tech2 BPO wont change its all pointless. While so FEW hold UNLIMITED tech2 bpo and hold them forever market will never work. The more tech2 components your POS produce the more market price on the component will fall, but tech2 producers WONT drop the prices on ships and gear no matter what because of their bpo monopoly.
So ask not what your POS can do for EVE, but what EVE POS can do for you.
I think its a remote, well defeneded 0.0 corp base to refine old good bistot on site and whatarenot and hopefully an ammo production line in near future.
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Nomen Nescio
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Posted - 2004.12.24 00:31:00 -
[134]
Edited by: Nomen Nescio on 24/12/2004 00:33:14
Guys, due all respect.
Its not about tech2 getting ANY cheaper. Components are not the reason for insane prices, agent drops, mission rewards....
Until current situation with tech2 BPO wont change its all pointless. While so FEW hold UNLIMITED tech2 bpo and hold them forever market will never work. The more tech2 components your POS produce the more market price on the component will fall, but tech2 producers WONT drop the prices on ships and gear no matter what because of their bpo monopoly.
So ask not what your POS can do for EVE, but what EVE POS can do for you.
I think its a remote, well defeneded 0.0 corp base to refine old good bistot on site and whatarenot and hopefully an ammo production line in near future.
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Tas Devil
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Posted - 2004.12.24 03:25:00 -
[135]
one word chaps :( scary.....
its a game ou hear not the real life....no one wants to feel as if they had to WORK in this game to achieve anything of significance...if you feel that way you are just plain sad and need a real life activity you hear ....making things difficult is one thing...requiring difficult or somehow complex player interaction is still ok....but te level of complexity discussed and the organisational skills involved + the time commitment to the game is just insane...get a LIFE ....none of you actually live out there in space you hear
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Tas Devil
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Posted - 2004.12.24 03:25:00 -
[136]
one word chaps :( scary.....
its a game ou hear not the real life....no one wants to feel as if they had to WORK in this game to achieve anything of significance...if you feel that way you are just plain sad and need a real life activity you hear ....making things difficult is one thing...requiring difficult or somehow complex player interaction is still ok....but te level of complexity discussed and the organisational skills involved + the time commitment to the game is just insane...get a LIFE ....none of you actually live out there in space you hear
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Sorja
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Posted - 2004.12.24 04:39:00 -
[137]
Yes, scary indeed.
Many were truly excited about the POS stuff, seeing them as a 'home sweet home', a place to gather, research, produce, mine or whatnot.
What a disappointment 
I quite understand POS were not meant as a 'housing system' to name it after what exists in other games. But it should be something players are looking forward to. Have to work for it ? Fair enough. But read all this bitterness and understand most players (that's the majority of Eve's population) have even forgotten POS do exist and are not interested in the feature anymore.
What a waste 
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Sorja
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Posted - 2004.12.24 04:39:00 -
[138]
Yes, scary indeed.
Many were truly excited about the POS stuff, seeing them as a 'home sweet home', a place to gather, research, produce, mine or whatnot.
What a disappointment
I quite understand POS were not meant as a 'housing system' to name it after what exists in other games. But it should be something players are looking forward to. Have to work for it ? Fair enough. But read all this bitterness and understand most players (that's the majority of Eve's population) have even forgotten POS do exist and are not interested in the feature anymore.
What a waste
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FZappa
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Posted - 2004.12.24 12:06:00 -
[139]
Originally by: Nomen Nescio
Until current situation with tech2 BPO wont change its all pointless. While so FEW hold UNLIMITED tech2 bpo and hold them forever market will never work. The more tech2 components your POS produce the more market price on the component will fall, but tech2 producers WONT drop the prices on ships and gear no matter what because of their bpo monopoly.
t2 bpos have utterly nothing to do with the POS situation
atm .
you are only considering cartel-ed items and ships.
i can tell you that i strictly refused being part
of the pdu2 cartel , and as result theres a constant
price war going for these items .
there are enough bpos to keep competition going ,
unless a group of related people get hold of too many bpos
and YOU are willing to pay their prices .
ive never bought a single t2 cap recharger , how about you ?
building a deimos costs me X isk right now , i want to make
a nice profit per ship . now if POS were working properly
it'd cost me 0.5X to build , and believe me if id try
to grab too much profit someone else will come along who
will undercut my prices.
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FZappa
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Posted - 2004.12.24 12:06:00 -
[140]
Originally by: Nomen Nescio
Until current situation with tech2 BPO wont change its all pointless. While so FEW hold UNLIMITED tech2 bpo and hold them forever market will never work. The more tech2 components your POS produce the more market price on the component will fall, but tech2 producers WONT drop the prices on ships and gear no matter what because of their bpo monopoly.
t2 bpos have utterly nothing to do with the POS situation
atm .
you are only considering cartel-ed items and ships.
i can tell you that i strictly refused being part
of the pdu2 cartel , and as result theres a constant
price war going for these items .
there are enough bpos to keep competition going ,
unless a group of related people get hold of too many bpos
and YOU are willing to pay their prices .
ive never bought a single t2 cap recharger , how about you ?
building a deimos costs me X isk right now , i want to make
a nice profit per ship . now if POS were working properly
it'd cost me 0.5X to build , and believe me if id try
to grab too much profit someone else will come along who
will undercut my prices.
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Sakura Yoshida
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Posted - 2004.12.24 17:09:00 -
[141]
if anyone wants to get rid of a POS for real cheap, tell me in-game, i'd love to take it off of your hands ^^
of course, with me running it, it'd constantly be on fire or something... |
Sakura Yoshida
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Posted - 2004.12.24 17:09:00 -
[142]
if anyone wants to get rid of a POS for real cheap, tell me in-game, i'd love to take it off of your hands ^^
of course, with me running it, it'd constantly be on fire or something... |
Nomen Nescio
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Posted - 2004.12.24 20:21:00 -
[143]
Originally by: FZappa
t2 bpos have utterly nothing to do with the POS situation
atm ...
building a deimos costs me X isk right now , i want to make
a nice profit per ship . now if POS were working properly
it'd cost me 0.5X to build , and believe me if id try
to grab too much profit someone else will come along who
will undercut my prices...
Oh yeah? Check market price on crow and claw. 8 mil difference or almoust 50%!!!! And production costs are near the same. So, somehow some people make tons of money on 1 ceptor and some sell for "decent profit" another.
And you make POS production to drop tech2 component prices in half - nothing will change. Just some people with good bpo will have less expencies and more profit. And prices will stay the same.
Beacause they can sell few for huge profit and no1 can produce more to feed the market to low prices.
PRICES ON TECH2 STUFF ARE NOT LINKED TO LIMITED TECH2 COMPONENTS SUPPLY, but to distribution of bpos. No matter huge POS production will be cap recharger 2 wont drop in price.
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Nomen Nescio
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Posted - 2004.12.24 20:21:00 -
[144]
Originally by: FZappa
t2 bpos have utterly nothing to do with the POS situation
atm ...
building a deimos costs me X isk right now , i want to make
a nice profit per ship . now if POS were working properly
it'd cost me 0.5X to build , and believe me if id try
to grab too much profit someone else will come along who
will undercut my prices...
Oh yeah? Check market price on crow and claw. 8 mil difference or almoust 50%!!!! And production costs are near the same. So, somehow some people make tons of money on 1 ceptor and some sell for "decent profit" another.
And you make POS production to drop tech2 component prices in half - nothing will change. Just some people with good bpo will have less expencies and more profit. And prices will stay the same.
Beacause they can sell few for huge profit and no1 can produce more to feed the market to low prices.
PRICES ON TECH2 STUFF ARE NOT LINKED TO LIMITED TECH2 COMPONENTS SUPPLY, but to distribution of bpos. No matter huge POS production will be cap recharger 2 wont drop in price.
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kanix357
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Posted - 2004.12.24 20:59:00 -
[145]
Edited by: kanix357 on 24/12/2004 21:03:42
Wouldnt it suck if eveyrone could own a pos and keep it operating, there would be no fun in getting a pos. This is something you have to work to get, and keep.
Since when in the hell did CCP expect everyone and there mother to afford a pos.IMO you shouldnt own a pos if you cant afford it period, dont ask ccp to cut down costs because you are to lazy or dont have enough members to support it man.
The pos would be perfect for running mining operations, If you have a large enough corp. There are alot of belts with high ends 10 + jumps from a station, and the time you would save would definetly come out on top vs the cost of a pos.
Dont cry like a little bich, Im sick of hearing you ***** at CCP.
CCP has done a beautifull job making this game, and updating this game. They have given us something that is very enjoyable.
You sound like a whiney little kid that wants his candy. Dude grow up, get a corp built that can afford a pos, recruit some more people, go mine a bit more. Do some trading.
You need to understand that CCP didnt create POS for everyone and there mother to own.
CCP shoudl start a whiners forum.
When TITANS come out, i hope you dont expect ccp to setit up so eveyrone can own one lol.
I Am dissapointed and sick at your whining and *****ing about something you cant afford in the game.
You are doing a POS for all the wrong reasons man.
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kanix357
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Posted - 2004.12.24 20:59:00 -
[146]
Edited by: kanix357 on 24/12/2004 21:03:42
Wouldnt it suck if eveyrone could own a pos and keep it operating, there would be no fun in getting a pos. This is something you have to work to get, and keep.
Since when in the hell did CCP expect everyone and there mother to afford a pos.IMO you shouldnt own a pos if you cant afford it period, dont ask ccp to cut down costs because you are to lazy or dont have enough members to support it man.
The pos would be perfect for running mining operations, If you have a large enough corp. There are alot of belts with high ends 10 + jumps from a station, and the time you would save would definetly come out on top vs the cost of a pos.
Dont cry like a little bich, Im sick of hearing you ***** at CCP.
CCP has done a beautifull job making this game, and updating this game. They have given us something that is very enjoyable.
You sound like a whiney little kid that wants his candy. Dude grow up, get a corp built that can afford a pos, recruit some more people, go mine a bit more. Do some trading.
You need to understand that CCP didnt create POS for everyone and there mother to own.
CCP shoudl start a whiners forum.
When TITANS come out, i hope you dont expect ccp to setit up so eveyrone can own one lol.
I Am dissapointed and sick at your whining and *****ing about something you cant afford in the game.
You are doing a POS for all the wrong reasons man.
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slip66
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Posted - 2004.12.24 21:06:00 -
[147]
i think its good they cost so much there is to much isk in the game atm.
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slip66
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Posted - 2004.12.24 21:06:00 -
[148]
i think its good they cost so much there is to much isk in the game atm.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2004.12.24 21:23:00 -
[149]
Originally by: kanix357
Edited by: kanix357 on 24/12/2004 21:03:42
Wouldnt it suck if eveyrone could own a pos and keep it operating, there would be no fun in getting a pos. This is something you have to work to get, and keep.
Since when in the hell did CCP expect everyone and there mother to afford a pos.IMO you shouldnt own a pos if you cant afford it period, dont ask ccp to cut down costs because you are to lazy or dont have enough members to support it man.
The pos would be perfect for running mining operations, If you have a large enough corp. There are alot of belts with high ends 10 + jumps from a station, and the time you would save would definetly come out on top vs the cost of a pos.
Dont cry like a little bich, Im sick of hearing you ***** at CCP.
CCP has done a beautifull job making this game, and updating this game. They have given us something that is very enjoyable.
You sound like a whiney little kid that wants his candy. Dude grow up, get a corp built that can afford a pos, recruit some more people, go mine a bit more. Do some trading.
You need to understand that CCP didnt create POS for everyone and there mother to own.
CCP shoudl start a whiners forum.
When TITANS come out, i hope you dont expect ccp to setit up so eveyrone can own one lol.
I Am dissapointed and sick at your whining and *****ing about something you cant afford in the game.
You are doing a POS for all the wrong reasons man.
Its not that POSs cost too much. Its that they don't make money. In fact, there is no way to make money building tech 2 comps with a POS. Meaning that the entire primary purpose of POSs is now bunk.
I don't object to paying 1 billion for a POS.
I do object to paying 50 million a week to keep it running while only getting half that in profit, at most. Whats the point of building a POS if all it does is lose me money?
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2004.12.24 21:23:00 -
[150]
Originally by: kanix357
Edited by: kanix357 on 24/12/2004 21:03:42
Wouldnt it suck if eveyrone could own a pos and keep it operating, there would be no fun in getting a pos. This is something you have to work to get, and keep.
Since when in the hell did CCP expect everyone and there mother to afford a pos.IMO you shouldnt own a pos if you cant afford it period, dont ask ccp to cut down costs because you are to lazy or dont have enough members to support it man.
The pos would be perfect for running mining operations, If you have a large enough corp. There are alot of belts with high ends 10 + jumps from a station, and the time you would save would definetly come out on top vs the cost of a pos.
Dont cry like a little bich, Im sick of hearing you ***** at CCP.
CCP has done a beautifull job making this game, and updating this game. They have given us something that is very enjoyable.
You sound like a whiney little kid that wants his candy. Dude grow up, get a corp built that can afford a pos, recruit some more people, go mine a bit more. Do some trading.
You need to understand that CCP didnt create POS for everyone and there mother to own.
CCP shoudl start a whiners forum.
When TITANS come out, i hope you dont expect ccp to setit up so eveyrone can own one lol.
I Am dissapointed and sick at your whining and *****ing about something you cant afford in the game.
You are doing a POS for all the wrong reasons man.
Its not that POSs cost too much. Its that they don't make money. In fact, there is no way to make money building tech 2 comps with a POS. Meaning that the entire primary purpose of POSs is now bunk.
I don't object to paying 1 billion for a POS.
I do object to paying 50 million a week to keep it running while only getting half that in profit, at most. Whats the point of building a POS if all it does is lose me money?
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