Originally by: Spaztick

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You are not outnumbered, you are in a target-rich environment.

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Originally by: Chribba

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OMG!!!!

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Originally by: Victor Valka

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Edited by: Victor Valka on 06/09/2010 16:38:31
I hereby postulate that this is going to be EPIC.

Edit: Confirmed to be EPIC. CCP Dropbear needs to write moar!

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Originally by: Borgh Brainbasher

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oh wow

That was one of the best Epic stories I've read in a while and all that without loved ones dying in arms of other loved ones, trilogies and a terrible movie adapataion. Actually, I can't be sure about the Movie bit because this sounds like a quite good movie script. Does anyone mind asking Carl Sagan if he would mind coming back to life to narrate this?

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Originally by: Caiman Graystock

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Yeah. Moar of this please dropbear. ****ing win.

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Originally by: Vereesa

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Wow that's insane chronicle.
Does it mean Garushi isn't dead?

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Originally by: Arklan1

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wtf does she mean happy birthday? did they then kill him?

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Originally by: Marlakh

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And...its nice to know binary code lasts that long into the future Though I've always wondered, during the process of data transfer upon our deaths, is there a real transfer of our "being", or is the event a mere copy and paste of data?

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Originally by: Boma Airaken

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"You can have that at Dieurelli with a side of Achuran Songbird wings in a sweet nut-and-berry sauce."

OH HELL NO!

/me starts building explosive vests.

GREAT read. Enjoyed this one thoroughly.

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Originally by: Marlakh

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Though I've always wondered, during the process of data transfer upon our deaths, is there a real transfer of our "being", or is the event a mere copy and paste of data?

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I try to imagine just how many different atoms, from how many different planets, must be colliding around here right now. Cosmologically speaking, Jita must be a meeting ground for them like no other place ever before it, in all of human history.

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Originally by: Antihrist Pripravnik

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Originally by: Arklan1

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wtf does she mean happy birthday? did they then kill him?

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My thoughts exactly. "Happy birthday" could be a reference to a re-birth (in a clone). But on a second thought, it's not logical - unless you could be transfered to a clone without being in a capsule.

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I try to imagine just how many different atoms, from how many different planets, must be colliding around here right now. Cosmologically speaking, Jita must be a meeting ground for them like no other place ever before it, in all of human history. All because of isotopes, cynosural fields and jumpdrives. Think about that the next time you're dropping off for a bite.

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Originally by: Kiala Pieal

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Originally by: Antihrist Pripravnik

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Originally by: Arklan1

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wtf does she mean happy birthday? did they then kill him?

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My thoughts exactly. "Happy birthday" could be a reference to a re-birth (in a clone). But on a second thought, it's not logical - unless you could be transfered to a clone without being in a capsule.

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I think it meant more like a business transaction was concluded, she's handing him the C3 and she's saying Happy Birthday in the sense that she's giving him a gift. Of course this is just my opinion.

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Originally by: Jenna Sol

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Why is this in the ccp:announcements RSS feed?

Please put this into the ccp:roleplayed feed.

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The question: What if we just stayed out there and never returned to another clone?
What if we could live out there, and build a bright and better world in that space between?

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Originally by: elorran

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The question: What if we just stayed out there and never returned to another clone?
What if we could live out there, and build a bright and better world in that space between?

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So can we expect to see floating brains in jars camping gates in the near future?

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Originally by: Mihali

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"The question: What if we just stayed out there and never returned to another clone?

What if we could live out there, and build a bright and better world in that space between?"


Question is, what if someone has already?

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Originally by: Vereesa

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Wow that's insane chronicle.
Does it mean Garushi isn't dead?

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Originally by: Daisuke Aoki

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Nice chron.

Something I've always kind of wondered is what happens if a capsuleer gets killed while not in a capsule - just while walking around on a station or planet etc. Since the cloning thing relies on a brain scan being taken the exact moment the pod is breached and sent to the new clone, and there's obviously no way to get a brain scan instantly while just walking around, is this the only circumstance in which a capsuleer can truly die?

Seems like quite the Achilles' heel if I'm understanding this right.

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Originally by: Mihali

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"The question: What if we just stayed out there and never returned to another clone?

What if we could live out there, and build a bright and better world in that space between?"


Question is, what if someone has already?

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The important phrase here is highly controlled environment. You can't say it is anything else. A scanner pores over your brain, capturing every last thought, every memory, every personality defect, and it does this why? Because your capsule was breached.

Because someone just proved how fragile that egg really is.

And that cloning facility you wake up in?

That cloning facility is surrounded by some of the most high-clearance people in the field - these invisible caretakers who oversee the rebirth of the universe's elite. They have a job with an importance like no other in our world, and with it, surveillance and monitoring you won't see anywhere else either. They are the real bodyguards. If a corporate CEO is waking up in one of these facilities, his contingent on the ground have already failed, and this, the most sacred of contingency plans, now depends on the people in the white suits. Obviously, not everyone is comfortable with that, least of all us capsuleers who won't often admit how tenuous our grip on everything really is.

Why? Because these people in white suits could make things go horribly wrong for you and me.

I think the reason we've started installing cloning vats on our largest, most powerful ships has less to do with logistics and more to do with trust issues.

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Originally by: Doro di'Massen

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Edited by: Doro di''Massen on 08/09/2010 09:51:23
nice thoughts. it shows that SF was always and forever about humans, and what it means to be one.

*fishy business*

imo, that's just taking things too literally. in-game travel times are design choices to make playing interstellar spaceships bearable. i find idea that fish will casually get from (actual!) river anywhere within cluster to someone's bowl within 1 hour is just ridiculous.

is that official lore: crossing cluster in hours is common; insta jumps with no preparation except for lighting cyno; crossing systems in minutes is norm?

edit: btw, thanks for the glimpse on shape-of-things-to-come

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Originally by: Cyniac

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The chronicles - keep them coming!

One interesting thing - why is it that the image is different in the thumbnail than when you open the actual story?

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Originally by: Alexeph Stoekai

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Originally by: Cyniac

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The chronicles - keep them coming!

One interesting thing - why is it that the image is different in the thumbnail than when you open the actual story?

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It's not. If you look at the other thumbnails and the corresponding images in the chronicles, you'll notice that the thumbnails have text added to them.

The Jita 4-4 chronicle has a thumbnail. That thumbnail has text added to it with the name of the chronicle. Text inserted in a way that makes it seem like a print on a jacket.

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As for the third thing, we need to return to that moment of capsule breach, when your brain is scanned and transmitted via your capsule back to that facility.

The third thing to realize is that in this moment, the capsuleer has become data. Maybe only for a second, half a second, even less in reality, but for that moment we are nothing but 0 and 1 as we fly across light years of space in between heartbeats. It's so short that almost nobody recognizes the importance of this moment, and it's something only a few of us even want to appreciate.

The idea of the informorph.

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The cloning process is always on a one-to-one basis, as the molecular receptors bound in the gel structure [of the new clone's brain-to-be] are coupled to the burning scanner carried by the customer. -- The capsule makes an analog scan of the brain of the person. This extraordinary snapshot records the exact state of the mind, including every neuron connection between every brain cell. Because the scan must be instantaneous and efficient it brutalizes the brain in the process.

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Originally by: CCP Dropbear

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I was poring over your compilation earlier actually (very nice work, by the way), and saw the same thing you're raising here.

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So how did that information get from the clone that died to the one that woke up? Data must have been transmitted, no?

Genuine question for you guys to think about. I don't claim to be certain of the answer, yet.

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Originally by: CCP Dropbear

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Does a capsuleer remember how they died? Yes.

So how did that information get from the clone that died to the one that woke up? Data must have been transmitted, no?

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Originally by: CCP Dropbear

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There's no timeline on that, but it's something I'm interested in and will be pushing for us to clarify.

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Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon

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Oh, and: you rock.

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Originally by: Arkady Sadik

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Having data that can be stored would open a pretty big can of worms

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Originally by: Arkady Sadik

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Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon

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Oh, and: you rock.

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What she says :-D

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Originally by: CCP Dropbear

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It might be a while before you guys get some more explicit, definitive answers on the process, as we (the storyline crew) need a chance to get a good discussion of it going, and through that, figure out exactly how it is all supposed to work (as you may have guessed from the vagueness in places, we're not 100% clear or agreed on it ourselves). There's no timeline on that, but it's something I'm interested in and will be pushing for us to clarify.

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Originally by: CCP Dropbear

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Does a capsuleer remember how they died? Yes.

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And if the snapshot is taken too late there is the risk that the scan will fail or even that the revived clone will remember its own death, a very traumatic experience that can introduce severe psychological and functional problems in the clone.

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Originally by: Matariki Rain

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Do they? That sounds like another thing to check with the storyline crew, since Cromeaux Inc.'s business publication suggests otherwise:

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Originally by: Krystal Vernet

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Originally by: Matariki Rain

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Do they? That sounds like another thing to check with the storyline crew, since Cromeaux Inc.'s business publication suggests otherwise:

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Remembering how you died is a little different than remembering the death itself, I think. You can remember the missile impact right before blinking out of existence. The scanning happens at the moment of breach, so it's possible.

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Originally by: Tiiana

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Edited by: Tiiana on 10/12/2010 05:19:02
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The cranium is constructed by seeding this gel structure (heavily impregnated with nutrients and inactivated growth factors) with nerve cells and glia, in accordance with information from the brain scan. Bound to the growth factors are molecular receptors that are coupled (using the well known FTL-communication technology) to molecules placed in the customer's burning scanner (see Clone quality, below). After seeding, the gel structure is suspended until the final moment of the original. As the burning scan is made, the molecules bound to the inactivated growth factors become unstable and cause activation of the growth factors by cleavage. The activation is an exothermic process which produces sufficient heat to melt pathways into the gel model of the brain. Thus dendrite paths in the model will be the same as in the original's brain, their growth fuelled by the activated growth factors ......

The cloning process is always on a one-to-one basis, as the molecular receptors bound in the gel structure are coupled to the burning scanner carried by the customer.

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Originally by: Aelana Anais

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I think it meant more like a business transaction was concluded, she's handing him the C3 and she's saying Happy Birthday in the sense that she's giving him a gift. Of course this is just my opinion.

I read it (quite possibly completely incorrectly) that she was giving them to her for free because they were both perceived as a part of the Sani Sabik one aspect of which is the Blood Raiders. I am thinking the reason for the large quantities of the drug and its availability might be that the Blood Raiders have found a new source (wormholes?) or found a way to re-harvest the drug out of the blood or pod of capsuleers they have targeted (as C3-FTM is a key part of pod life support systems).

But I may be reading the /wrong/ innuendo out of this.

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