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F90OEX F9X WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.09.12 06:18:00 - [1] Short version - - 130 Bonds Issued - Total bond offered here is 100. - 10 Bil per bond - Time frame 6 months (probably a lot shorter) - Full amount of the bond will be secured (Chribba) if he is interested. - % from your investment would be send either every 30 days or 1 lump payment. ( still deciding) Assuming it's secured etc, what is considered a respectable/attractive % rate to offer. I personally will not be looking to making anything from it. It will only offer it 1 or 2 times. Reason why I offer is that over the best part of 3 years many people have offered investment Isk to my trading's, this is since I made more then what I expected, and because I was able to control the market I know inside out, I never required it. I always said I would run something but just never got around to do it, in the light of some mails I have received from people who got burned with BBs bond and are looking to "recoupe" some of there losses with out having to worry, I have decided to offer it, to help people out. My profit margins are very big, and again the intention of this bond is to make people good rate of return on there ISK. Only cost would be whatever Chribba charges. Again the INTENTION will be to have it secured (I send the Isk to Chribba before I receive anything from you) If for whatever reason it is not I will not run it here. Again my question is what is considered a respectable/attractive % rate to offer based on the above.
Cheque Please Hot Like Mexico	Posted - 2010.09.12 06:26:00 - [2] Originally by: F90OEX attractive % rate to offer based on the above. 10%+ = Roughly a Jessica Alba 4-7% = You're looking at an Uma Thurman in Pulp Fiction Less than 2% = Margaret Thatcher But since it's fully collateralized, you might find more than enough people willing to settle for Mrs. Thatcher --- WORMHOLE SERVICE RL Meeting w/ Chribba
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.09.12 06:33:00 - [3] - Public funding is usually the last resort since it's inefficient and requires more expensive controls than private. I can see why you are trying to do that though, it's something I could do myself one day. - 10B granularity is too high for the regular MD investor, 500M to 1B would be easier to get you filled. - What I like less is that you are a "new" super-trusted-known-big-guy who offers to replace the one who just stole the bank but with no controls exactly like him. Chribba keeping collateral? He did that also in a BB started thread about an investment and it was not sufficient to prevent the subsequent scam on the T4U IPO. - As for %, you can probably ask for a stinking pittance, investors would probably flock all over again. - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Grendell Technologies Unlimited	Posted - 2010.09.12 06:47:00 - [4] Reserved. Grendell ♥
William Pierce Caldari Blue Sun Heavy Industries	Posted - 2010.09.12 06:50:00 - [5] 10 bil is about as much as I've had cumulatively over my whole 2.5 years in eve Also, 1.3 trillion ISK bond? Whoah.
Mme Pinkerton United Engineering Services	Posted - 2010.09.12 06:56:00 - [6] "Yo guys, I heard quite a few of you got burned by BB. Well, you've been so good to me all these years and I thought to speed up your recovery it would be time to give something back to the community. Just fill in the interest rate in the blank field and there we go."
F90OEX F9X WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.09.12 07:07:00 - [7] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha - Public funding is usually the last resort since it's inefficient and requires more expensive controls than private. I can see why you are trying to do that though, it's something I could do myself one day. - 10B granularity is too high for the regular MD investor, 500M to 1B would be easier to get you filled. - What I like less is that you are a "new" super-trusted-known-big-guy who offers to replace the one who just stole the bank but with no controls exactly like him. Chribba keeping collateral? He did that also in a BB started thread about an investment and it was not sufficient to prevent the subsequent scam on the T4U IPO. - As for %, you can probably ask for a stinking pittance, investors would probably flock all over again. - 10bil Granularity 2 reasons, and I should of been more clear. For me smaller group the better, easier for me to keep track off and repay back. With an investment of 10bil they can see a greater return the someone with 1bil invested. Again that is one of the reasons running it so people can make a nice amount back. 5bil might be offered but only to people who have a history of investing or I know them in game. But tbh I'd rather stick with 10. - Super-trusted ? Yes I am new to offering a investment, but many long term respected traders (2-4+ year players) know who I am, but Eve is a big place and lots of people come and go, nothing I can do about that and it is another reason why I offer it secure or as best as it gets in Eve. - Chribba keeping collateral for BB That I am interested in, what happened to it ?, As for me I can only speak for myself. Again just trying to keep it as simple as possible, I can offer whatever ISK required and more, as far as Eve goes IMO Chribba is as "trusted" as it gets. As mentioned in the pages here no Isk is 100% secured, crap happens. Worst case for the investor is you get your investment back just in case I get hit by a bus or never log into Eve again. That's the best I can offer unless you can come up with a better Idea, which I am open to. - % Again this offering is that people can make a nice amount, at the end of the day that's what it's all about, be happy with there return and move on.
Noun Verber Gallente	Posted - 2010.09.12 07:10:00 - [8] Do you accept state ravens as collateral?
Cista2 Hydra Investment Fund	Posted - 2010.09.12 07:11:00 - [9] Originally by: F90OEX I have decided to offer it, to help people out. If this is a charity, then why are you asking us how low you can squeeze the ROI? In a charity, you set it as high as you think you can afford, or you think the cause is worth. Also, out of curiosity, are you saying you have 1.3 trillion in assets that you don't need and will transfer to Chribba? Then I am impressed. ----------------------- "Signatures" chatroom / Hydra Fund / LLSE Stock Market
F90OEX F9X WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.09.12 07:13:00 - [10] Originally by: Noun Verber Do you accept state ravens as collateral? Fitted that's only worth 300bil, So I'll just use Isk for collateral since I have plenty of that
Cista2 Hydra Investment Fund	Posted - 2010.09.12 07:14:00 - [11] Also, your "granularity" is 10 bn, but as far as I know, there were very few that had a T4U investment of 10 bn. Those you are claiming you wish to "help" can not afford your bond. ----------------------- "Signatures" chatroom / Hydra Fund / LLSE Stock Market
Mme Pinkerton United Engineering Services	Posted - 2010.09.12 07:24:00 - [12] Originally by: F90OEX Fitted that's only worth 300bil, So I'll just use Isk for collateral since I have plenty of that Why not just distribute the interest payments without the hassle of running an offering?
F90OEX F9X WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.09.12 07:30:00 - [13] Originally by: Cista2 Originally by: F90OEX I have decided to offer it, to help people out. If this is a charity, then why are you asking us how low you can squeeze the ROI? In a charity, you set it as high as you think you can afford, or you think the cause is worth. Also, out of curiosity, are you saying you have 1.3 trillion in assets that you don't need and will transfer to Chribba? Then I am impressed. No, the only intention is to make the investor as much Isk as possible from his/her investment. I will set it as high as I can go without taking a loss. (which I never have). I see what your asking me :) but the 2nd post gives me a good indication, and IF I can would like to set it higher then that. No assets just straight Isk , My assets are about 10 trillion+ tbh, Liquid Isk is a lot more.
William Pierce Caldari Blue Sun Heavy Industries	Posted - 2010.09.12 07:43:00 - [14] So basically you don't need the 1.3 tril to invest, but you'd like to invest with public funds anyways to give people a nice secured investment? If so, it's a noble cause. Also, what is the largest collateral Chribba has ever held?
Kithran	Posted - 2010.09.12 07:47:00 - [15] Originally by: F90OEX Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha - Public funding is usually the last resort since it's inefficient and requires more expensive controls than private. I can see why you are trying to do that though, it's something I could do myself one day. - 10B granularity is too high for the regular MD investor, 500M to 1B would be easier to get you filled. - What I like less is that you are a "new" super-trusted-known-big-guy who offers to replace the one who just stole the bank but with no controls exactly like him. Chribba keeping collateral? He did that also in a BB started thread about an investment and it was not sufficient to prevent the subsequent scam on the T4U IPO. - As for %, you can probably ask for a stinking pittance, investors would probably flock all over again. - Chribba keeping collateral for BB That I am interested in, what happened to it ?, As for me I can only speak for myself. Again just trying to keep it as simple as possible, I can offer whatever ISK required and more, as far as Eve goes IMO Chribba is as "trusted" as it gets. As mentioned in the pages here no Isk is 100% secured, crap happens. Worst case for the investor is you get your investment back just in case I get hit by a bus or never log into Eve again. That's the best I can offer unless you can come up with a better Idea, which I am open to. Chribaa holds 10 Utus as collateral for the HYDRA Reloaded bond. The bond thread was started by Bad Bobby but isk was sent to Count Montecarlo and dividends have come from him as well. I believe this is what VV is referring to however Chribba still holds the collateral and there has been no dividend payment missed yet. The next one is due any day however at present I believe that bond is still running. Chribba posted in the thread to preserve the initial offering and I posted to preserve the list of investors when every corp was kicked from HYDRA Reloaded. Kithran
William Pierce Caldari Blue Sun Heavy Industries	Posted - 2010.09.12 08:00:00 - [16] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Chribba keeping collateral? He did that also in a BB started thread about an investment and it was not sufficient to prevent the subsequent scam on the T4U IPO. 1. Bad Bobby makes bond on behalf of HYDRA RELOADED 2. Chribba secures bond 3. Bad Bobby runs off with ISK from a totally unrelated bond 4. Chribba failed to prevent the T4U scam from happening, therefore he is not a good person to hold collateral(?) From what I can tell, this is your logic. It makes no sense.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.09.12 08:53:00 - [17] Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 12/09/2010 08:54:31 Originally by: William Pierce Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Chribba keeping collateral? He did that also in a BB started thread about an investment and it was not sufficient to prevent the subsequent scam on the T4U IPO. 1. Bad Bobby makes bond on behalf of HYDRA RELOADED 2. Chribba secures bond 3. Bad Bobby runs off with ISK from a totally unrelated bond 4. Chribba failed to prevent the T4U scam from happening, therefore he is not a good person to hold collateral(?) From what I can tell, this is your logic. It makes no sense. It makes more sense than making 10B in 2.5 years in EvE. These are not "2B pay in 2 months" bonds, every single possibility has to be considered (and even then, it's often not good enough) beginning with the social engineering that flinging Chribba's name around can easily achieve. If the UTU bond issuers don't like bad PR, they should have started their own bond, not push a "name" like BB (+Chribba name, sorry to have to put His Name in the same sentence where BB is mentioned) doing it to reap momentum just to later discard it when it was not the flycatcher name any longer. - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.09.12 09:11:00 - [18] Originally by: F90OEX Again my question is what is considered a respectable/attractive % rate to offer based on the above. The market will decide that, not someone's personal interest in your offering. Personally I wouldn't be interested, nothing you offered would be attractive or acceptable to me; but the market would probably accept an interest rate as low as 0.5% per month in these circumstances. It would take a few months to sell out, but eventually you would have your ISK. Follow My EBANK Chatter
RAW23	Posted - 2010.09.12 09:24:00 - [19] Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: F90OEX Again my question is what is considered a respectable/attractive % rate to offer based on the above. The market will decide that, not someone's personal interest in your offering. Personally I wouldn't be interested, nothing you offered would be attractive or acceptable to me; but the market would probably accept an interest rate as low as 0.5% per month in these circumstances. It would take a few months to sell out, but eventually you would have your ISK. Are people really so desperate that they would accept 6% a YEAR? Sure, Chribba has a good rep but for any investment you lost at that rate you would need another one to run successfully for 16 years to cover your losses.
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.09.12 09:36:00 - [20] Originally by: RAW23 Are people really so desperate that they would accept 6% a YEAR? Sure, Chribba has a good rep but for any investment you lost at that rate you would need another one to run successfully for 16 years to cover your losses. It's not a case of acceptable return but rather one of investment opportunity. There is ISK to invest and it will be invested regardless of return or security. Follow My EBANK Chatter
Sexy Suzie	Posted - 2010.09.12 12:16:00 - [21] Edited by: Sexy Suzie on 12/09/2010 12:17:16 Originally by: F90OEX Originally by: Noun Verber Do you accept state ravens as collateral? Fitted that's only worth 300bil, So I'll just use Isk for collateral since I have plenty of that Maybe im dim witted but you seem to suggest that Chribba will hold isk from you as collateral for isk we send to you for this investment? (please tell me if im wrong). If thats the case then you dont really need any isk from investors and youre simply doing everyone who invests a favour (by making large profits on investments you make). If that is the case why dont you simply take names of people who would like to invest (ill put my name down for 10 x 10 bill bonds for starters, dont want to be greedy) but no one sends any isk to you at all. You invest 1.3 trill isk (total of bond) and generate isk as you see fit and send the profit (from this amount only) to those people you have their names down as would have invested with you. That way no 3rd party is required or any other complications like that.
Cista2 Hydra Investment Fund	Posted - 2010.09.12 12:43:00 - [22] Originally by: Sexy Suzie why dont you simply take names of people who would like to invest (ill put my name down for 10 x 10 bill bonds for starters, dont want to be greedy) This ofc. I'll take 10 x 10 bn as well. ----------------------- "Signatures" chatroom / Hydra Fund / LLSE Stock Market
RAW23	Posted - 2010.09.12 12:46:00 - [23] Originally by: Cista2 Originally by: Sexy Suzie why dont you simply take names of people who would like to invest (ill put my name down for 10 x 10 bill bonds for starters, dont want to be greedy) This ofc. I'll take 10 x 10 bn as well. On these terms, put me down for the same, please.
Lauren Hellfury Full Pocket Aggro	Posted - 2010.09.12 13:42:00 - [24] So..... You want to give away lots of ISK to deserving people, but to qualify as deserving you need to have a minimum of 10B isk liquid. To prove that we are deserving we need to send you a multiple of 10B isk first, just so you can check. I've not seen this approach before... Stick to stealing State Ravens.
William Pierce Caldari Blue Sun Heavy Industries	Posted - 2010.09.12 16:33:00 - [25] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 12/09/2010 08:54:31 Originally by: William Pierce Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Chribba keeping collateral? He did that also in a BB started thread about an investment and it was not sufficient to prevent the subsequent scam on the T4U IPO. 1. Bad Bobby makes bond on behalf of HYDRA RELOADED 2. Chribba secures bond 3. Bad Bobby runs off with ISK from a totally unrelated bond 4. Chribba failed to prevent the T4U scam from happening, therefore he is not a good person to hold collateral(?) From what I can tell, this is your logic. It makes no sense. It makes more sense than making 10B in 2.5 years in EvE. These are not "2B pay in 2 months" bonds, every single possibility has to be considered (and even then, it's often not good enough) beginning with the social engineering that flinging Chribba's name around can easily achieve. If the UTU bond issuers don't like bad PR, they should have started their own bond, not push a "name" like BB (+Chribba name, sorry to have to put His Name in the same sentence where BB is mentioned) doing it to reap momentum just to later discard it when it was not the flycatcher name any longer. What are you even talking about? The Utu bond was and is still secured many times over by Chribba. The person who started the bond does not matter one bit, just like in this case. It is still secured 100%, as long as you can trust Chribba. Not that HYDRA really cared much about this kind of rep anyways. As for your logic making more sense than 10b in 2.5 years comment.... are you serious??? I'm not even going to respond to that.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.09.12 17:40:00 - [26] Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 12/09/2010 17:40:26 Quote: The person who started the bond does not matter one bit, just like in this case Yeah, I am going to start well secured RL bond. I'll hire as prospectus writer Mr. Bernie Madoff and NO ONE will flinch. Quote: F90OEX is offering to run a bond with a reasonable interest rate, that will be secured in full with ISK. Why is this so hard for people to accept? It's (assuming Chribba follows through) GUARANTEED ISK. cat EvE \| grep GUARANTEED "No matches found" (Actually it'll return "") - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Estella Vance	Posted - 2010.09.12 18:31:00 - [27] Edited by: Estella Vance on 12/09/2010 18:31:49 Originally by: RAW23 Originally by: Cista2 Originally by: Sexy Suzie why dont you simply take names of people who would like to invest (ill put my name down for 10 x 10 bill bonds for starters, dont want to be greedy) This ofc. I'll take 10 x 10 bn as well. On these terms, put me down for the same, please. Taking 10 bonds in that case as well; I need to get back on feet from BB's heist Also - audit?
Block Ukx Forge Laboratories	Posted - 2010.09.12 19:13:00 - [28] Originally by: F90OEX - Full amount of the bond will be secured (Chribba) if he is interested. Perhaps your first step should be to determine the Trustee(s). As for security, nothing in eve is secure. People ignore that eve is trust-based, not secured-base. Replacing trust with security implies you are not trustworthy. BSAC Mineral Market Manipulation (MinMa) Information Desk
Builder Robert	Posted - 2010.09.12 19:16:00 - [29] I have 1300 trillion ISK in my wallet, I'm feeling generous so I'm going give some of that away in six months. To reserve your share (you can decide how much % return :) then send me ISK in increments of 10B. Chrfbba secured.
F90OEX F9X WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.09.12 22:32:00 - [30] Originally by: Block Ukx Originally by: F90OEX - Full amount of the bond will be secured (Chribba) if he is interested. Perhaps your first step should be to determine the Trustee(s). Maybe for other people, but for me I needed to know what people would like to see for a ROI, 2nd make a list for the people who are interested and from there if there is enough interest, then I will talk to Chribba. I'm not going to waste his time ( he is busy as it is) with something that is ready not to start. If your unhappy with me using Chribba, then not much I can do there, but no one is forcing you to invest. You either like it or you don't.

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