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Alice Celadon
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Posted - 2010.09.24 23:38:00 -
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F9, you are so terrible at this scam that I'm going to rewrite it for you in a form that would have worked.
1. "Hi, I'm F9! I'm the guy who made a ton of money off CNR Ravens and have been a neutral third party for a few years now.
2. "I want to reenter the faction BS business, but all of my isk is tied up in really shiny officer fit ships that I like to pvp in (link to your deathmails that I know exist of officer fit BSes).
3. "What I'm going to do is offer a two month bond at 10% a month. Total bond amount: around 200 billion. I'm going to secure this bond with Grendell/Chribba by having them hold various assets of mine.
^^This assumes you have a few hundred billion in assets -- which I'm no longer sure is even the case.
4. "Hey guys, I completed that last bond to the letter. I want to expand my business to encompass all those new FW BSes. My new bond will be for 200 billion again.
5. Now you contact all your prior investors in private and offer them a special 12% rate of return if they're willing to put a lot of isk into your business -- "I get sick of paying out to a ton of investors and want to cut down on my overhead."
6. Then you scam.
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Trebor Whettam
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Posted - 2010.09.25 00:40:00 -
[122]
Quote: What I can do is open a clean history account and deposit 5T-10T Isk, 10+ BPOs and other high end assets into it and have it fully audited, Will THAT make people happy ? Probably not. People are STILL going to wonder how I acquired it.
That'd convince people that you're as crazy rich as you claim. You could toss a few trillion into a clean account and publish the limited api key. If nothing else you'd get some more fame and publicity. I know I'd be curious to look.
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Htrag
The Carebear Stare Hydroponic Zone
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Posted - 2010.09.25 00:57:00 -
[123]
Originally by: F90OEX
Not disagreeing with you, but IF I really wanted to scam, I would of probably done 3 things, take 1 ship (I did) Take ALL 3 ships ( which I could of ) Take all 3 ships AND the 180bil I CHOOSE not too. But what's done is done.
As for Molle, he never saw 1 Isk from the whole thing since SFS decided to buy himself a nice Titan, Char and other shiny stuff and make a video
You could have taken all 3 ships? I dont think so.
You're saying that you never even returned the ship to Molle? You essentially just stole it from SFS, claiming the moral high ground but you never compensated Bob? Hmmm.
I knew I'd see some type of sell out scam like this from you eventually, but its evident that you've compromised your reputation permanently.
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Machete Visor
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Posted - 2010.09.25 01:33:00 -
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Edited by: Machete Visor on 25/09/2010 01:35:32 this must be the most bungled ipo/scam/whatever to receive so much attention. hysterical
kudos to grendell for basically letting op shoot himself
75b alt bump is a cherry on top of the moron pie
....pls continue
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F90OEX
F9X WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.09.25 02:41:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Htrag
Originally by: F90OEX
Not disagreeing with you, but IF I really wanted to scam, I would of probably done 3 things, take 1 ship (I did) Take ALL 3 ships ( which I could of ) Take all 3 ships AND the 180bil I CHOOSE not too. But what's done is done.
As for Molle, he never saw 1 Isk from the whole thing since SFS decided to buy himself a nice Titan, Char and other shiny stuff and make a video
You could have taken all 3 ships? I dont think so.
You're saying that you never even returned the ship to Molle? You essentially just stole it from SFS, claiming the moral high ground but you never compensated Bob? Hmmm.
I knew I'd see some type of sell out scam like this from you eventually, but its evident that you've compromised your reputation permanently.
Wow thats great, where you part of the convo when it took place ?
Remember this is coming from a person who wrote a statement on your website that myself Loki and T'amber where ALL the same person
On a more serious note ....
Limited API does not show Account info.... But i'll make another char and give 1 or 2 people access to it.
And lastly mails have been sent out regarding the ISK received, Waiting on 2 more deposits, Interest will be paid from the time that I have received your Isk. But the official date of payments will be starting the 27th of each month.
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TheWrit
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Posted - 2010.09.25 02:53:00 -
[126]
F900EX , alliance ISK sent through my alt . Thanks for the opportunity and i look forward to future business with you .
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mechtech
SRS Industries SRS.
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Posted - 2010.09.25 04:38:00 -
[127]
Originally by: F90OEX
Limited API does not show Account info.... But i'll make another char and give 1 or 2 people access to it.
Eagerly awaiting Grendell's audit of your clean account with "5-10T isk and other high end assets" ... This is literally the least you could do to prove you're not a scam.
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Alice Celadon
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Posted - 2010.09.25 06:04:00 -
[128]
Oh god mechtech, let me spoil the surprise for you: the person who'audits' the account will be someone you've never heard of.
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Dalden V
Blue Lounge Industries
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Posted - 2010.09.25 07:48:00 -
[129]
So who are the investors? I don't see any of the people who posted their reservations saying they sent any ISK.
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RAW23
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Posted - 2010.09.25 08:10:00 -
[130]
Originally by: Dalden V So who are the investors? I don't see any of the people who posted their reservations saying they sent any ISK.
They are all 'private', which is very convenient.
I won't say that this is a scam but it looks pretty indistinguishable from a really transparent one. Whatever it is, it is not a real investment opportunity.
No Business plan. No collateral. Attempt to use Chribba's name. Lying in the OP about not continuing without collateral. No audit to confirm even the most basic claims the OP has made. Huge contradictions betweens the OPs posts. What looks like a huge exercise in rep grinding. No attempt to explain the bizarre structure of the offer.
The only thing I don't have a problem with is the State Raven issue. If it was handed back, or offered back, to its original owner then the OP did the right thing, even if it was a bad idea from the perspective of third party neutrality.
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AnakieNine
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Posted - 2010.09.25 09:04:00 -
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Edited by: AnakieNine on 25/09/2010 09:14:56
Originally by: F90OEX
On a more serious note ....
Limited API does not show Account info.... But i'll make another char and give 1 or 2 people access to it.
Sounds great. I will be sure to add those 1 or 2 peoples names to a list of your alts.
Seriously, if anything you said in this thread is even remotely true prove your statements. It is simple enough to do without giving away your isk making methods.
How about create a character and submitting it to eveboard. Then we can see your wealth here. Remember however that you stated, "My assets are about 10 trillion+ tbh, Liquid Isk is a lot more."
When Chribba rejects a job he doesn't says why. He basically does a copy paste reply and remains neutral. So if someone really wanted to use his name and not have him involved they only have to say, "Please chribba hold my 500b. But I need some collateral from you chribba as it is so much isk."
You get the idea. Many people would think because he never said a bad thing, that it was just a personal reason.
If it was me I would just show people the 10 trillion+ isk I had using chribbas site on a trade free character. Salvage some of your previous rep and move on.
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Htrag
The Carebear Stare Hydroponic Zone
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Posted - 2010.09.25 11:16:00 -
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Originally by: F90OEX
Remember this is coming from a person who wrote a statement on your website that myself Loki and T'amber where ALL the same person
I actually said that you run your operation with alts, like the ones in this thread saying they will buy in to your scam, and that it wouldn't surprise me if the only two people in Eve that support you were also your alts.
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Htrag
The Carebear Stare Hydroponic Zone
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Posted - 2010.09.25 11:25:00 -
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Originally by: RAW23
The only thing I don't have a problem with is the State Raven issue. If it was handed back, or offered back, to its original owner then the OP did the right thing, even if it was a bad idea from the perspective of third party neutrality.
Just to be clear...
Originally by: F90OEX
As for Molle, he never saw 1 Isk from the whole thing since SFS decided to buy himself a nice Titan, Char and other shiny stuff and make a video
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SFShootme
The Carebear Stare Hydroponic Zone
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Posted - 2010.09.25 12:13:00 -
[134]
Originally by: F90OEX
Wow thats great, where you part of the convo when it took place ?
On a more serious note ....
Limited API does not show Account info.... But i'll make another char and give 1 or 2 people access to it.
No, but I was. You were never in the position to take all 3 ships. That video is not mine but HT's but whatever. You were offered the opportunity for the full story with Chribba as a 3rd party, but never accepted. If you really are that rich then a 180b scam burning your reputation forever would have never occurred to you. I could dump a bunch of chat loggs here showing how full of **** you really are but looks like you have already digged a hole deep enough to not get out of.
Originally by: f90OEX [ 2009.08.30 05:21:04 ] F90OEX > after 6000+ sold .. burned out [ 2009.08.30 19:16:01 ] F90OEX > well this game is all about alts .. I only use 1 account since I dont care for alts and all that.
Anyway just wanted to check into this thread to be part of f9 publicly burning himself.
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SFShootme
The Carebear Stare Hydroponic Zone
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Posted - 2010.09.25 12:17:00 -
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Yo f9, why don't you give me your API and i'll confirm whatever i see in your wallet.
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F90OEX
F9X WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.09.25 14:04:00 -
[136]
Edited by: F90OEX on 25/09/2010 14:10:47
Originally by: SFShootme
Originally by: F90OEX
Wow thats great, where you part of the convo when it took place ?
On a more serious note ....
Limited API does not show Account info.... But i'll make another char and give 1 or 2 people access to it.
No, but I was. You were never in the position to take all 3 ships. That video is not mine but HT's but whatever. You were offered the opportunity for the full story with Chribba as a 3rd party, but never accepted. If you really are that rich then a 180b scam burning your reputation forever would have never occurred to you. I could dump a bunch of chat loggs here showing how full of **** you really are but looks like you have already digged a hole deep enough to not get out of.
Originally by: f90OEX [ 2009.08.30 05:21:04 ] F90OEX > after 6000+ sold .. burned out [ 2009.08.30 19:16:01 ] F90OEX > well this game is all about alts .. I only use 1 account since I dont care for alts and all that.
Anyway just wanted to check into this thread to be part of f9 publicly burning himself.
Right and that was true back then, it's no secret that I started a 2nd account for T'ambers lottos and other 3rd party dealings, to keep it separate from my own account. Also the other reason why it was set up was because during that time, I had to give my FULL API info to the programmer so that when ISK was sent to the char used, the website would show the correct amount of tickets sold. T'amber suggested that I start a 2nd account, and I did.
Also If you look into my corp you will see there is 3 people in it, 3rd person in it is from my alt account since for the KB to auto update kills and losses full api was needed.
+ cyno alt
Next.....
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Noun Verber
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.09.25 15:56:00 -
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Originally by: F90OEX
Look NO ONE is REQUIRED / FORCED to send anything to me until the agreements that the investors require and I follow through with it. Till then they don't have to send me anything.
Except that people are really, really stupid
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F90OEX
F9X WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.09.25 16:46:00 -
[138]
Originally by: Htrag
Originally by: F90OEX
Remember this is coming from a person who wrote a statement on your website that myself Loki and T'amber where ALL the same person
I actually said that you run your operation with alts, like the ones in this thread saying they will buy in to your scam, and that it wouldn't surprise me if the only two people in Eve that support you were also your alts.
No this is what you said..... AGAIN COMPLETELY WRONG. People even TOLD you ( from Old MC alliance) in the thread that they have been on TS with us and where different people. All baseless assumptions with no facts to back it up and again you have NO idea what your talking about ...
And as for T'Amber, again you WHERE told this, he lives in NZ, I live in the US.
"On the other hand, F90OEX, while being skilled at trade, missions, even PVP, runs his operation using alts. I know for a fact several pilots (Loki Farseer[disputed], Joe Hades, HerrFaul, Josh Tudyk, etc.) that are controlled by F90OEX, which engage in manipulation through deception to accomplish tasks. For example, he will multi account communicating via chat as if they were separate players, but you will never find more than one on voice comms. Hence, this, to me is a more dishonest playstyle than being -10. This is purely speculation but it wouldn't surprise me in the least if T'Amber is another F90OEX alt."
It's get to the point, you don't want to even reply to a stupid posts like this.
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Htrag
The Carebear Stare Hydroponic Zone
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Posted - 2010.09.25 16:52:00 -
[139]
Originally by: F90OEX
Originally by: Htrag
Originally by: F90OEX
Remember this is coming from a person who wrote a statement on your website that myself Loki and T'amber where ALL the same person
I actually said that you run your operation with alts, like the ones in this thread saying they will buy in to your scam, and that it wouldn't surprise me if the only two people in Eve that support you were also your alts.
No this is what you said..... AGAIN COMPLETELY WRONG. People even TOLD you ( from Old MC alliance) in the thread that they have been on TS with us and where different people. All baseless assumptions with no facts to back it up and again you have NO idea what your talking about ...
And as for T'Amber, again you WHERE told this, he lives in NZ, I live in the US.
"On the other hand, F90OEX, while being skilled at trade, missions, even PVP, runs his operation using alts. I know for a fact several pilots (Loki Farseer[disputed], Joe Hades, HerrFaul, Josh Tudyk, etc.) that are controlled by F90OEX, which engage in manipulation through deception to accomplish tasks. For example, he will multi account communicating via chat as if they were separate players, but you will never find more than one on voice comms. Hence, this, to me is a more dishonest playstyle than being -10. This is purely speculation but it wouldn't surprise me in the least if T'Amber is another F90OEX alt."
It's get to the point, you don't want to even reply to a stupid posts like this.
Thanks for that. Looks like I was pretty much right.
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F90OEX
F9X WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.09.25 16:59:00 -
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Originally by: Noun Verber
Originally by: F90OEX
Look NO ONE is REQUIRED / FORCED to send anything to me until the agreements that the investors require and I follow through with it. Till then they don't have to send me anything.
Except that people are really, really stupid
Indeed, but the big difference is I am not running off with peoples ISK, The bond will be run AS PROMISED and as AGREED. Since all the Isk has been collected IF it was a scam, I might as well come clean now. IF I do not pay starting the 27th of each month, I am sure you won't take long for a post to be made that I ran off with 500bil.
As for the investors, of which one of them is a large alliance, there are more then welcome to post and I am sure in time they will, but considering its a heated thread and people are still ****ed off with BB running of with there ISK and other failures, might be a payment or 2 in before they do.
Despite the thread been derailed/ trolled, there have been some good points made by some, who I feel actually want to help. If you have any suggestions, feedback or ideas, please send me a mail.
I'm not going to keep replying to stupid posts like Htrag, that have NO interest in investing and just looking to troll, like many others.
I have my work cut out for me, so next post I make will be when I have sent out interest payments.
Anything else just send me a mail.
Til the 27th
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Htrag
The Carebear Stare Hydroponic Zone
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Posted - 2010.09.25 17:18:00 -
[141]
Get real buddy... u can't regrow your private part once its been chopped off by the guillotine.
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RAW23
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Posted - 2010.09.25 17:27:00 -
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Edited by: RAW23 on 25/09/2010 17:28:24 Edited by: RAW23 on 25/09/2010 17:28:05
Originally by: F90OEX
I have my work cut out for me, so next post I make will be when I have sent out interest payments.
Anything else just send me a mail.
Til the 27th
Why bother publicly announcing the interest payments? You haven't got any public investors, by the look of things.
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Smelly Bait
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Posted - 2010.09.25 17:32:00 -
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-He sais he has 10 trillion but wants 1.3 more? -For how much are u willing to trash your reputation? 1,3 trillion will do for me -10/10 scam alert
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T'Amber
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.25 18:02:00 -
[144]
Talk about epic post.
F9 has personally secured almost 1trillion isk of prizes from my events and of the tens of thousands of ships and prizes hes contracted to the hundreds of winners, not one has complained that anything was missing. Not only has he done this, but hes given me rare ships when I couldn't afford to buy them and billions of isk to spend on prizes when I've overspent on other things. Not once has he asked me to pay them back (although I have), and hes never asked for any profits (although there hasn't been much of them) or pay.
Seeing as the bond has sold out, why don't you all sit back and see what happens.
-T'amber
[SoE:UTU] Win a rare ship for 10mil
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LimitedEdition T'amber
Gallente www.shipsofeve.com
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Posted - 2010.09.25 18:13:00 -
[145]
I've still not read everything, but I can confirm that I am not F9 (Check the CSM member role for my real name and where I live) and that I did infact make F9 create a new account for API tracking of a lotto.
This sub-forum does entertain though (when I can understand what you guys are talking about).
-T'amber
T'ambers alt with more than 10 people in corp. 300bil Eve Events Fund. need halp.
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Htrag
The Carebear Stare Hydroponic Zone
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Posted - 2010.09.25 18:52:00 -
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Originally by: LimitedEdition T'amber I've still not read everything, but I can confirm that I am not F9 (Check the CSM member role for my real name and where I live) and that I did infact make F9 create a new account for API tracking of a lotto.
This sub-forum does entertain though (when I can understand what you guys are talking about).
-T'amber
Read more closely... noone thinks you're anything more than F900's butt buddy.
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Holdings Corp
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Posted - 2010.09.25 19:20:00 -
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A few points I would like to make:
1. F9X is a well known person and has been trustworthy for 3rd part transactions.
2. On a business level this bond doesn't make sense. F9 doesn't need the cash so he is effectively paying close to 170B to get an extra 500B for 3 months and that is awfully difficult to turn a profit on after financing costs.
3. Due to the wierd status of the bond and recent issues with BB, F9's status/reputation is taking a big hit here.
4. As a piece of advice I would suggest that F9 makes ammends to repair the damage hit, through a basic audit to prove cash reserve.
5. This offering doesn't look like it has too many customers, so I would advise listing them here.
I am not saying I do not trust F9, but what I am saying that F9 should go through some measures to improve his credibility on this bond. The perception from this bond launch is bad, and even though the things are probably not going to happen, perception easily becomes reality and it will be difficult to work in the public domain with a bad cloud over you.
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Htrag
The Carebear Stare Hydroponic Zone
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Posted - 2010.09.25 19:41:00 -
[148]
I swear people in this forum must be playing a different game besides Eve.
F900 is obviously broke or trying to cash out.
This scam could easily have been handled in a much more sophisticated way but the dude succumbed to greed and laziness.
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mechtech
SRS Industries SRS.
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Posted - 2010.09.25 20:32:00 -
[149]
Still no word on the "5-10T isk" audit from Grendell? All you have to do is create a new character, press "send isk", and maybe contract over a pile of BPOs.
If you want to fix your reputation, you should do this asap. If you are actually confirmed to have 5T+ isk, you'll pretty much immediately be seen as "eccentric rich guy" vs the current view of "almost definitely a scammer".
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F90OEX
F9X WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.09.25 20:54:00 -
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Originally by: cosmoray A few points I would like to make:
1. F9X is a well known person and has been trustworthy for 3rd part transactions.
2. On a business level this bond doesn't make sense. F9 doesn't need the cash so he is effectively paying close to 170B to get an extra 500B for 3 months and that is awfully difficult to turn a profit on after financing costs.
3. Due to the wierd status of the bond and recent issues with BB, F9's status/reputation is taking a big hit here.
4. As a piece of advice I would suggest that F9 makes ammends to repair the damage hit, through a basic audit to prove cash reserve.
5. This offering doesn't look like it has too many customers, so I would advise listing them here.
I am not saying I do not trust F9, but what I am saying that F9 should go through some measures to improve his credibility on this bond. The perception from this bond launch is bad, and even though the things are probably not going to happen, perception easily becomes reality and it will be difficult to work in the public domain with a bad cloud over you.
All Good points cosmoray,
I'd do what I stated above and what I WILL allow is You and some other respectable auditor on here, to either have Full API along with ( if needed) a char in the corp, so you can see what I have and how much and whatever else you want. I have NO problem in that what so ever.. I will work it out with you, just let me start making good and my promises and agreements and you will be able to see the interest been paid out etc...
Htrag,
I don't know why I even bother , IF I was in the position you state I am in, I could easily just sell the State Raven along with the Officer mods and get 300bil for it easy, I have had my fun with it, got some nice kills but I have no need to use it anymore. If I needed more ISK, I have a long list of nicely fitted ships, BPOs and some other crap.
I have no interest in selling anything I own, CASH OUT ??? for what , is there something in game that I don't have, that interest's me ? Do tell.
Again let's go over it for the 100th time, I have everything I want that interests me in game. I have no need or use for Titan's, Super caps etc.. if I did it can be easily built. In all honestly I don't spend a lot of time playing Eve anymore, it's not as exciting as it once was, kinda burned out. Hopefully CCP will add new exciting expansions over the next 1-2 Years but not holding out for that.
I know you and your bum chum SFS are still mad and probably get told often WTF where you thinking, tbh I'd be MAD also... But you said it perfectly in your last line.
SFS could of waited a few hrs before Chribba got online or even Darkness since there on every day, I mean given the time he spend in BOB and the effort he put into it, he could not wait a few more hrs, but guess what he succumbed to greed and laziness After all within the same week the tribal tempest was up on a lottery and then the other State Raven got sold to Mr Poker owner .. You don't see me doing the same and I have been offered more then what Sel paid for his.
Anyways I will be in touch cosmoray or just send me a mail......
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