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F90OEX F9X WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.09.12 06:18:00 - [1] Short version - - 130 Bonds Issued - Total bond offered here is 100. - 10 Bil per bond - Time frame 6 months (probably a lot shorter) - Full amount of the bond will be secured (Chribba) if he is interested. - % from your investment would be send either every 30 days or 1 lump payment. ( still deciding) Assuming it's secured etc, what is considered a respectable/attractive % rate to offer. I personally will not be looking to making anything from it. It will only offer it 1 or 2 times. Reason why I offer is that over the best part of 3 years many people have offered investment Isk to my trading's, this is since I made more then what I expected, and because I was able to control the market I know inside out, I never required it. I always said I would run something but just never got around to do it, in the light of some mails I have received from people who got burned with BBs bond and are looking to "recoupe" some of there losses with out having to worry, I have decided to offer it, to help people out. My profit margins are very big, and again the intention of this bond is to make people good rate of return on there ISK. Only cost would be whatever Chribba charges. Again the INTENTION will be to have it secured (I send the Isk to Chribba before I receive anything from you) If for whatever reason it is not I will not run it here. Again my question is what is considered a respectable/attractive % rate to offer based on the above.
Cheque Please Hot Like Mexico	Posted - 2010.09.12 06:26:00 - [2] Originally by: F90OEX attractive % rate to offer based on the above. 10%+ = Roughly a Jessica Alba 4-7% = You're looking at an Uma Thurman in Pulp Fiction Less than 2% = Margaret Thatcher But since it's fully collateralized, you might find more than enough people willing to settle for Mrs. Thatcher --- WORMHOLE SERVICE RL Meeting w/ Chribba
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.09.12 06:33:00 - [3] - Public funding is usually the last resort since it's inefficient and requires more expensive controls than private. I can see why you are trying to do that though, it's something I could do myself one day. - 10B granularity is too high for the regular MD investor, 500M to 1B would be easier to get you filled. - What I like less is that you are a "new" super-trusted-known-big-guy who offers to replace the one who just stole the bank but with no controls exactly like him. Chribba keeping collateral? He did that also in a BB started thread about an investment and it was not sufficient to prevent the subsequent scam on the T4U IPO. - As for %, you can probably ask for a stinking pittance, investors would probably flock all over again. - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Grendell Technologies Unlimited	Posted - 2010.09.12 06:47:00 - [4] Reserved. Grendell ♥
William Pierce Caldari Blue Sun Heavy Industries	Posted - 2010.09.12 06:50:00 - [5] 10 bil is about as much as I've had cumulatively over my whole 2.5 years in eve Also, 1.3 trillion ISK bond? Whoah.
Mme Pinkerton United Engineering Services	Posted - 2010.09.12 06:56:00 - [6] "Yo guys, I heard quite a few of you got burned by BB. Well, you've been so good to me all these years and I thought to speed up your recovery it would be time to give something back to the community. Just fill in the interest rate in the blank field and there we go."
F90OEX F9X WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.09.12 07:07:00 - [7] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha - Public funding is usually the last resort since it's inefficient and requires more expensive controls than private. I can see why you are trying to do that though, it's something I could do myself one day. - 10B granularity is too high for the regular MD investor, 500M to 1B would be easier to get you filled. - What I like less is that you are a "new" super-trusted-known-big-guy who offers to replace the one who just stole the bank but with no controls exactly like him. Chribba keeping collateral? He did that also in a BB started thread about an investment and it was not sufficient to prevent the subsequent scam on the T4U IPO. - As for %, you can probably ask for a stinking pittance, investors would probably flock all over again. - 10bil Granularity 2 reasons, and I should of been more clear. For me smaller group the better, easier for me to keep track off and repay back. With an investment of 10bil they can see a greater return the someone with 1bil invested. Again that is one of the reasons running it so people can make a nice amount back. 5bil might be offered but only to people who have a history of investing or I know them in game. But tbh I'd rather stick with 10. - Super-trusted ? Yes I am new to offering a investment, but many long term respected traders (2-4+ year players) know who I am, but Eve is a big place and lots of people come and go, nothing I can do about that and it is another reason why I offer it secure or as best as it gets in Eve. - Chribba keeping collateral for BB That I am interested in, what happened to it ?, As for me I can only speak for myself. Again just trying to keep it as simple as possible, I can offer whatever ISK required and more, as far as Eve goes IMO Chribba is as "trusted" as it gets. As mentioned in the pages here no Isk is 100% secured, crap happens. Worst case for the investor is you get your investment back just in case I get hit by a bus or never log into Eve again. That's the best I can offer unless you can come up with a better Idea, which I am open to. - % Again this offering is that people can make a nice amount, at the end of the day that's what it's all about, be happy with there return and move on.
Noun Verber Gallente	Posted - 2010.09.12 07:10:00 - [8] Do you accept state ravens as collateral?
Cista2 Hydra Investment Fund	Posted - 2010.09.12 07:11:00 - [9] Originally by: F90OEX I have decided to offer it, to help people out. If this is a charity, then why are you asking us how low you can squeeze the ROI? In a charity, you set it as high as you think you can afford, or you think the cause is worth. Also, out of curiosity, are you saying you have 1.3 trillion in assets that you don't need and will transfer to Chribba? Then I am impressed. ----------------------- "Signatures" chatroom / Hydra Fund / LLSE Stock Market
F90OEX F9X WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.09.12 07:13:00 - [10] Originally by: Noun Verber Do you accept state ravens as collateral? Fitted that's only worth 300bil, So I'll just use Isk for collateral since I have plenty of that
Cista2 Hydra Investment Fund	Posted - 2010.09.12 07:14:00 - [11] Also, your "granularity" is 10 bn, but as far as I know, there were very few that had a T4U investment of 10 bn. Those you are claiming you wish to "help" can not afford your bond. ----------------------- "Signatures" chatroom / Hydra Fund / LLSE Stock Market
Mme Pinkerton United Engineering Services	Posted - 2010.09.12 07:24:00 - [12] Originally by: F90OEX Fitted that's only worth 300bil, So I'll just use Isk for collateral since I have plenty of that Why not just distribute the interest payments without the hassle of running an offering?
F90OEX F9X WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.09.12 07:30:00 - [13] Originally by: Cista2 Originally by: F90OEX I have decided to offer it, to help people out. If this is a charity, then why are you asking us how low you can squeeze the ROI? In a charity, you set it as high as you think you can afford, or you think the cause is worth. Also, out of curiosity, are you saying you have 1.3 trillion in assets that you don't need and will transfer to Chribba? Then I am impressed. No, the only intention is to make the investor as much Isk as possible from his/her investment. I will set it as high as I can go without taking a loss. (which I never have). I see what your asking me :) but the 2nd post gives me a good indication, and IF I can would like to set it higher then that. No assets just straight Isk , My assets are about 10 trillion+ tbh, Liquid Isk is a lot more.
William Pierce Caldari Blue Sun Heavy Industries	Posted - 2010.09.12 07:43:00 - [14] So basically you don't need the 1.3 tril to invest, but you'd like to invest with public funds anyways to give people a nice secured investment? If so, it's a noble cause. Also, what is the largest collateral Chribba has ever held?
Kithran	Posted - 2010.09.12 07:47:00 - [15] Originally by: F90OEX Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha - Public funding is usually the last resort since it's inefficient and requires more expensive controls than private. I can see why you are trying to do that though, it's something I could do myself one day. - 10B granularity is too high for the regular MD investor, 500M to 1B would be easier to get you filled. - What I like less is that you are a "new" super-trusted-known-big-guy who offers to replace the one who just stole the bank but with no controls exactly like him. Chribba keeping collateral? He did that also in a BB started thread about an investment and it was not sufficient to prevent the subsequent scam on the T4U IPO. - As for %, you can probably ask for a stinking pittance, investors would probably flock all over again. - Chribba keeping collateral for BB That I am interested in, what happened to it ?, As for me I can only speak for myself. Again just trying to keep it as simple as possible, I can offer whatever ISK required and more, as far as Eve goes IMO Chribba is as "trusted" as it gets. As mentioned in the pages here no Isk is 100% secured, crap happens. Worst case for the investor is you get your investment back just in case I get hit by a bus or never log into Eve again. That's the best I can offer unless you can come up with a better Idea, which I am open to. Chribaa holds 10 Utus as collateral for the HYDRA Reloaded bond. The bond thread was started by Bad Bobby but isk was sent to Count Montecarlo and dividends have come from him as well. I believe this is what VV is referring to however Chribba still holds the collateral and there has been no dividend payment missed yet. The next one is due any day however at present I believe that bond is still running. Chribba posted in the thread to preserve the initial offering and I posted to preserve the list of investors when every corp was kicked from HYDRA Reloaded. Kithran
William Pierce Caldari Blue Sun Heavy Industries	Posted - 2010.09.12 08:00:00 - [16] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Chribba keeping collateral? He did that also in a BB started thread about an investment and it was not sufficient to prevent the subsequent scam on the T4U IPO. 1. Bad Bobby makes bond on behalf of HYDRA RELOADED 2. Chribba secures bond 3. Bad Bobby runs off with ISK from a totally unrelated bond 4. Chribba failed to prevent the T4U scam from happening, therefore he is not a good person to hold collateral(?) From what I can tell, this is your logic. It makes no sense.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.09.12 08:53:00 - [17] Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 12/09/2010 08:54:31 Originally by: William Pierce Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Chribba keeping collateral? He did that also in a BB started thread about an investment and it was not sufficient to prevent the subsequent scam on the T4U IPO. 1. Bad Bobby makes bond on behalf of HYDRA RELOADED 2. Chribba secures bond 3. Bad Bobby runs off with ISK from a totally unrelated bond 4. Chribba failed to prevent the T4U scam from happening, therefore he is not a good person to hold collateral(?) From what I can tell, this is your logic. It makes no sense. It makes more sense than making 10B in 2.5 years in EvE. These are not "2B pay in 2 months" bonds, every single possibility has to be considered (and even then, it's often not good enough) beginning with the social engineering that flinging Chribba's name around can easily achieve. If the UTU bond issuers don't like bad PR, they should have started their own bond, not push a "name" like BB (+Chribba name, sorry to have to put His Name in the same sentence where BB is mentioned) doing it to reap momentum just to later discard it when it was not the flycatcher name any longer. - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.09.12 09:11:00 - [18] Originally by: F90OEX Again my question is what is considered a respectable/attractive % rate to offer based on the above. The market will decide that, not someone's personal interest in your offering. Personally I wouldn't be interested, nothing you offered would be attractive or acceptable to me; but the market would probably accept an interest rate as low as 0.5% per month in these circumstances. It would take a few months to sell out, but eventually you would have your ISK. Follow My EBANK Chatter
RAW23	Posted - 2010.09.12 09:24:00 - [19] Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: F90OEX Again my question is what is considered a respectable/attractive % rate to offer based on the above. The market will decide that, not someone's personal interest in your offering. Personally I wouldn't be interested, nothing you offered would be attractive or acceptable to me; but the market would probably accept an interest rate as low as 0.5% per month in these circumstances. It would take a few months to sell out, but eventually you would have your ISK. Are people really so desperate that they would accept 6% a YEAR? Sure, Chribba has a good rep but for any investment you lost at that rate you would need another one to run successfully for 16 years to cover your losses.
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.09.12 09:36:00 - [20] Originally by: RAW23 Are people really so desperate that they would accept 6% a YEAR? Sure, Chribba has a good rep but for any investment you lost at that rate you would need another one to run successfully for 16 years to cover your losses. It's not a case of acceptable return but rather one of investment opportunity. There is ISK to invest and it will be invested regardless of return or security. Follow My EBANK Chatter
Sexy Suzie	Posted - 2010.09.12 12:16:00 - [21] Edited by: Sexy Suzie on 12/09/2010 12:17:16 Originally by: F90OEX Originally by: Noun Verber Do you accept state ravens as collateral? Fitted that's only worth 300bil, So I'll just use Isk for collateral since I have plenty of that Maybe im dim witted but you seem to suggest that Chribba will hold isk from you as collateral for isk we send to you for this investment? (please tell me if im wrong). If thats the case then you dont really need any isk from investors and youre simply doing everyone who invests a favour (by making large profits on investments you make). If that is the case why dont you simply take names of people who would like to invest (ill put my name down for 10 x 10 bill bonds for starters, dont want to be greedy) but no one sends any isk to you at all. You invest 1.3 trill isk (total of bond) and generate isk as you see fit and send the profit (from this amount only) to those people you have their names down as would have invested with you. That way no 3rd party is required or any other complications like that.
Cista2 Hydra Investment Fund	Posted - 2010.09.12 12:43:00 - [22] Originally by: Sexy Suzie why dont you simply take names of people who would like to invest (ill put my name down for 10 x 10 bill bonds for starters, dont want to be greedy) This ofc. I'll take 10 x 10 bn as well. ----------------------- "Signatures" chatroom / Hydra Fund / LLSE Stock Market
RAW23	Posted - 2010.09.12 12:46:00 - [23] Originally by: Cista2 Originally by: Sexy Suzie why dont you simply take names of people who would like to invest (ill put my name down for 10 x 10 bill bonds for starters, dont want to be greedy) This ofc. I'll take 10 x 10 bn as well. On these terms, put me down for the same, please.
Lauren Hellfury Full Pocket Aggro	Posted - 2010.09.12 13:42:00 - [24] So..... You want to give away lots of ISK to deserving people, but to qualify as deserving you need to have a minimum of 10B isk liquid. To prove that we are deserving we need to send you a multiple of 10B isk first, just so you can check. I've not seen this approach before... Stick to stealing State Ravens.
William Pierce Caldari Blue Sun Heavy Industries	Posted - 2010.09.12 16:33:00 - [25] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 12/09/2010 08:54:31 Originally by: William Pierce Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Chribba keeping collateral? He did that also in a BB started thread about an investment and it was not sufficient to prevent the subsequent scam on the T4U IPO. 1. Bad Bobby makes bond on behalf of HYDRA RELOADED 2. Chribba secures bond 3. Bad Bobby runs off with ISK from a totally unrelated bond 4. Chribba failed to prevent the T4U scam from happening, therefore he is not a good person to hold collateral(?) From what I can tell, this is your logic. It makes no sense. It makes more sense than making 10B in 2.5 years in EvE. These are not "2B pay in 2 months" bonds, every single possibility has to be considered (and even then, it's often not good enough) beginning with the social engineering that flinging Chribba's name around can easily achieve. If the UTU bond issuers don't like bad PR, they should have started their own bond, not push a "name" like BB (+Chribba name, sorry to have to put His Name in the same sentence where BB is mentioned) doing it to reap momentum just to later discard it when it was not the flycatcher name any longer. What are you even talking about? The Utu bond was and is still secured many times over by Chribba. The person who started the bond does not matter one bit, just like in this case. It is still secured 100%, as long as you can trust Chribba. Not that HYDRA really cared much about this kind of rep anyways. As for your logic making more sense than 10b in 2.5 years comment.... are you serious??? I'm not even going to respond to that.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.09.12 17:40:00 - [26] Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 12/09/2010 17:40:26 Quote: The person who started the bond does not matter one bit, just like in this case Yeah, I am going to start well secured RL bond. I'll hire as prospectus writer Mr. Bernie Madoff and NO ONE will flinch. Quote: F90OEX is offering to run a bond with a reasonable interest rate, that will be secured in full with ISK. Why is this so hard for people to accept? It's (assuming Chribba follows through) GUARANTEED ISK. cat EvE \| grep GUARANTEED "No matches found" (Actually it'll return "") - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Estella Vance	Posted - 2010.09.12 18:31:00 - [27] Edited by: Estella Vance on 12/09/2010 18:31:49 Originally by: RAW23 Originally by: Cista2 Originally by: Sexy Suzie why dont you simply take names of people who would like to invest (ill put my name down for 10 x 10 bill bonds for starters, dont want to be greedy) This ofc. I'll take 10 x 10 bn as well. On these terms, put me down for the same, please. Taking 10 bonds in that case as well; I need to get back on feet from BB's heist Also - audit?
Block Ukx Forge Laboratories	Posted - 2010.09.12 19:13:00 - [28] Originally by: F90OEX - Full amount of the bond will be secured (Chribba) if he is interested. Perhaps your first step should be to determine the Trustee(s). As for security, nothing in eve is secure. People ignore that eve is trust-based, not secured-base. Replacing trust with security implies you are not trustworthy. BSAC Mineral Market Manipulation (MinMa) Information Desk
Builder Robert	Posted - 2010.09.12 19:16:00 - [29] I have 1300 trillion ISK in my wallet, I'm feeling generous so I'm going give some of that away in six months. To reserve your share (you can decide how much % return :) then send me ISK in increments of 10B. Chrfbba secured.
F90OEX F9X WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.09.12 22:32:00 - [30] Originally by: Block Ukx Originally by: F90OEX - Full amount of the bond will be secured (Chribba) if he is interested. Perhaps your first step should be to determine the Trustee(s). Maybe for other people, but for me I needed to know what people would like to see for a ROI, 2nd make a list for the people who are interested and from there if there is enough interest, then I will talk to Chribba. I'm not going to waste his time ( he is busy as it is) with something that is ready not to start. If your unhappy with me using Chribba, then not much I can do there, but no one is forcing you to invest. You either like it or you don't.
Siiee Recycled Heroes	Posted - 2010.09.12 23:58:00 - [31] So if I get this right, you're collecting the isk for this "investment" and then putting it all up as collateral, continuing your existing market activities essentially out of pocket, and then giving a portion of your regular returns to the "investors"? I don't understand the excess complications, if you want to run a charity why not just run a charity? If you want to limit it to T4U people accept only T4U shares as "payment" (anyone who firesale'd all their shares was just a sucker). If you want to limit your charity to only people with 10 bil minimum liquidity then set up private contracts to your potential "investors", something like 1 unit of trit, with 10bil payment and 10bil received on the contract, contract is only acceptable if the person can make the payment, and they get their isk back right away so they can accept your hand out and get their isk in other, real investments. Otherwise essentially all you're doing is pulling 1.3 trillion isk out of circulation for the period of your offering. I just don't see the point.
Thoraemond Minmatar Far Ranger	Posted - 2010.09.13 00:22:00 - [32] Originally by: Siiee [...] essentially all you're doing is pulling 1.3 trillion isk out of circulation for the period of your offering. I just don't see the point. Taking currency out of circulation would be an interesting purpose in itself, but that is unlikely to be the purpose here, since 1.3 trillion ISK is only roughly 0.3% of the ISK in circulation (if I remember the most recent total correctly). á á
Berikath	Posted - 2010.09.13 00:35:00 - [33] Originally by: Cheque Please Less than 2% = Margaret Thatcher But since it's fully collateralized, you might find more than enough people willing to settle for Mrs. Thatcher Mmm.... oh yeah... take those dentures out.... Bow-chicka-wow-wow!!!
F90OEX F9X WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.09.13 12:58:00 - [34] Originally by: Siiee Otherwise essentially all you're doing is pulling 1.3 trillion isk out of circulation for the period of your offering. I just don't see the point. Well you don't since you don't know the bigger picture, as I wrote on the 1st post "short version", I am in the process of writing the longer version, there is risk like anything in Eve, the risk might be small but it is something that will be disclosed to potential investors so they can make there own mind up if this is something from them. The 1T security is only there, just in case I either give up or never log in again and fail to repay back there investment under the agreement that is drawn up. Other reason for the 10bil investment is, IMO nothing comes free in Eve. You have to work for it, If you have 10bil to invest tells me you have made some effort in this game. I LIKE people who have made an effort and 10bil might seem like a lot. But I am no different I spend the same amount of hours grinding away saving up Isk, taking risks and other things looking back I might not do now. Nothing was handed to me on a silver plate, nearly everything I have in Eve I worked towards it and made an effort. I have helped a lot of people in Eve, people I saw who just needed some Isk to get them started, or someone who took a risk and failed due to no fault of there own, I gave them whatever they lost. There the kind of people I like and there the people would like to see invest in this, and hopefully they will.
49473 Jita Trade and Research Institute	Posted - 2010.09.13 20:46:00 - [35] 10 billion. Depending on the strength of the proposal, this will go up to 100billion.
Martosh Toma Gallente Fraction Investment	Posted - 2010.09.13 21:21:00 - [36] At first this looks indeed like a charity, especially mentioning the mails of people that claim to have lost investing in T4U. Considering the lukewarm reactions on BB's scam i'd say most of the people that lost there need no charity. Now if it is an actual investment where the % return people decide to go for affects the risks on the investment as a whole, and the deposit with chribba is only a scam prevention measure and a hit by a bus strategy ( Note: this sounds awfully familiar ),then this might be an interesting opportunity. Now, assuming I understood the above correctly: Could you give a rough estimation on the risks based on the preferred percentage of projected monthly growth? Will you be using some kind of third party accounting to show the results as they may result in a (partial) loss without being a scam. Would you allow an investor to act as broker on this investment to provide smaller granularity with no workload on your side, assuming the fees for sub investors on this are reasonable? As to payment monthly or as a lump sum at the end. I'd say it would depend on the type of investment. if it is a type of investment where predicteble sums of isk would become available during the period the bond is active, then I would prefer to recieve at least part of the intrest every month. But not every investment is like that. Allthough I must say, with the option to specify projected monthly growth and little or no information on the actual investment, this feels more like gambling than investing.
Machete Visor	Posted - 2010.09.14 03:50:00 - [37] something is missing here... for a 1 for 1 ISK secured investment, it is kind of like a FDIC insured savings account in real life. So the rate should be the risk free rate of eve... or the rate of inflation maybe as a proxy. Anyone got that handy from the last QEN?
F90OEX F9X WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.09.17 18:02:00 - [38] After talking with some people and looking at the numbers of what I can guarantee, Interest will be set @ 10%. Some people don't want to do 6 months, so I have opted for a shorter term of 3 months of which will be paid every 30 days, at the end of the 3 months you will be paid back your Investment + interest. Because of the shorter term, and how my trading cycle works, I am limiting the amount required to 500bil. Even though I am used to dealing with bigger numbers, this makes it a lot easier for me to deal with, since I like to keep things as simple as possible. Martosh Toma Hopefully I have answered your 1st question, and for the other 2 I don't have a problem with either one, of course depends who the other person is with regarding question 3. Also I know this is not a problem for most, but we all know people who have there accounts hacked, IF your going to post here as an investor please make sure you post with a alt. If your someone I know well in game and invested just send me a mail so I know who you are, completely optional of course, I leave that to you.
Grendell Technologies Unlimited	Posted - 2010.09.17 18:30:00 - [39] Could you clarify the details you have arranged with Chribba if any? Grendell ♥
Dalden V Blue Lounge Industries	Posted - 2010.09.17 22:24:00 - [40] Does losing 17b to T4U give me preference? :) Seriously though, I'm willing to invest 10b if secured via Chribba.
My Entity Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2010.09.17 22:41:00 - [41] Once the dealing with Chribba is over, please kindly have Chribba confirm the arrangement on your thread. Then I am also interested in investing at least 10B.
F90OEX F9X WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.09.17 23:26:00 - [42] I should have time to speak with him over the weekend, once everything is sorted, I will ask him to make a post.
Grendell Technologies Unlimited	Posted - 2010.09.17 23:38:00 - [43] Originally by: F90OEX I should have time to speak with him over the weekend, once everything is sorted, I will ask him to make a post. Thanks. Grendell ♥
Aishwarya Rai Ta'aqiru Technologies	Posted - 2010.09.17 23:52:00 - [44] evemail send
My Entity Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2010.09.18 00:38:00 - [45] Originally by: F90OEX No assets just straight Isk , My assets are about 10 trillion+ tbh, Liquid Isk is a lot more. Are you... "the broker?"
Martosh Toma Gallente Fraction Investment	Posted - 2010.09.18 00:49:00 - [46] sorry I do not want to complain but, am I understanding your offer correctly? You mention a guaranteed return for 10% per month for 3 months with a full isk based collateral with Chribba and a 10B minimum investment. With interest to be payed monthly, we would get over 6% a month, even if the thing fails at the end without a final intrest payment and it is liquidated by Chribba. This is not a bond, its not an investment, it is a charity for the wealthy. The only risks we would run in this are: - a Botched hand over with/by Chribba - Chribba scamming - Some kind of RMT money laundering operation. None of these seem likely at this point in time. The only thing odd to me is the suggestion to use alts to post participation. I do not see a reason for it except when linked to one of the 3 options above. As for security, character names are usually not linked to account names, except if you participated in old style gtc transfers and/or character transfers. Participation in this charity with any char (be it main or alt), does not change anything in your risk of being hacked as far as I can tell.
Helmh0ltz	Posted - 2010.09.18 02:18:00 - [47] So essentially, you are running a charity for rich people. ====== Your signature is freakishly huge for this forum. Please resize according to the forum rules, thanks. Shadow.
Nexo92 Death Incarnate INC	Posted - 2010.09.18 02:33:00 - [48] Edited by: Nexo92 on 18/09/2010 02:33:35 Originally by: Helmh0ltz Edited by: Helmh0ltz on 18/09/2010 02:27:41 How much is your total net worth in ISK (approximately)? Does it really matter ? Edit- Although I too am slightly curious
Zekuloth	Posted - 2010.09.18 02:56:00 - [49] THIS IS A SCAM (SEE BELOW) OR SOMETHING STRANGELY FISHY IS GOING ON IN THIS THREAD. IF THE LATTER ID STAY AWAY UNLESS YOU WANT A CCP BAN. as initially this sounds a lot like someone else who pretended to be very rich and asked for a large capital injection to buy a officer fit BS to go missioning in and we all know how that turned out.
Marshiro	Posted - 2010.09.18 03:39:00 - [50] The best charity you can offer is that of knowledge. Whose with the will can and shall take advantage of it, those that do not have no right to wealth. Unlike isk, knowledge is a object that enriches all at the same time.
So Sowwey	Posted - 2010.09.18 04:54:00 - [51] F9x had been promising to do this for a long time. He finally did it . Spoke to him today and it sounds good. I'm in for 100 Bil.
Arithron Gallente Gallente Trade Alliance	Posted - 2010.09.19 08:26:00 - [52] A big trader in the market; players of 2-4 years who are respected traders would have heard of you? Funny, never seen a transaction in my logs (just checked last 2 yrs) with you, and I deal multi-bils in multiple markets. Perhaps you could share with us an alt or two we might know instead? Or direct us towards a market or two you have been very active in (afterall, multi-trils will leave trails) Ari Vote Arithron for CSM! Check out my thread: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=899358
Ramingo Caldari Payable on Death	Posted - 2010.09.19 08:42:00 - [53] Originally by: Arithron A big trader in the market; players of 2-4 years who are respected traders would have heard of you? Funny, never seen a transaction in my logs (just checked last 2 yrs) with you, and I deal multi-bils in multiple markets. Perhaps you could share with us an alt or two we might know instead? Or direct us towards a market or two you have been very active in (afterall, multi-trils will leave trails) Ari That's cause he doesn't do market trades. He lately has been controlling the navy raven market which is done entirely via contracts.
Friary	Posted - 2010.09.19 08:44:00 - [54] Controlling via contracts...oh yeah, that's doable...
Arithron Gallente Gallente Trade Alliance	Posted - 2010.09.19 08:56:00 - [55] Edited by: Arithron on 19/09/2010 09:00:32 Ahh, contracts. Funny thing (again)- I checked his contract history and can't see that many ravens traded lately (sure, a few), especially not enough to get near 50 bil, let alone trillions. Even more interesting, THAT WAS 3 YEARS AGO. For a contract trader who 'controls' the market, I see zero contracts past 3 years... Ari Vote Arithron for CSM! Check out my thread: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=899358
Ramingo Caldari Payable on Death	Posted - 2010.09.19 09:01:00 - [56] Friary/Arithron, I'll indulge your lazy behinds. http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1368657 http://www.eve-search.com/thread/1327813 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1358161
Arithron Gallente Gallente Trade Alliance	Posted - 2010.09.19 09:12:00 - [57] Thank you for the linkies :) However, all from this year (I'd set the stage for a multi-tril scam ahead of time afterall), and no evidence of anything actually changing hands (or the existence of said CNR), especially given the lack of a contract in his history or posts by buyers (which we could then check sell contracts for further proof). I'd still want an alt of his that has a history in contracts to check legit :) Ari Vote Arithron for CSM! Check out my thread: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=899358
Ramingo Caldari Payable on Death	Posted - 2010.09.19 09:34:00 - [58] Originally by: Arithron Edited by: Arithron on 19/09/2010 09:16:29 Thank you for the linkies :) However, all from this year (I'd set the stage for a multi-tril scam ahead of time afterall), and no evidence of anything actually changing hands (or the existence of said CNR), especially given the lack of a contract in his history or posts by buyers (which we could then check sell contracts for further proof). I'd still want an alt of his that has a history in contracts to check legit :) Ari p.s I will, ofc, believe the OP if he could contract me 500 CNR. I will contract back immediately ( I can be trusted). Stop arguing about something you have no clue about apparently. Do you think he would do his contract trades with his forum posting/ most visible char, so that any random can find out how many he buys, at what price, and who from??? And yeah he could be setting himself up for a scam, nobody knows. But he could be doing that irrespective of whether he owns trillions and just wants the lulz, or because he lost 50 titans in a row.
Arithron Gallente Gallente Trade Alliance	Posted - 2010.09.19 10:07:00 - [59] Lets assume I have no clue (you know what they say about assumption...): The OP is claiming to have trillions made from CNR dominance. However, apart from some CNR sales in 2007, we have no proof of this; forum posts of recent times selling '1000' CNR can't be used as proof as no winners announced and easily done by anyone to lay down the groundwork for a future scam (remember Amber Leonne?) Offering IPO at 10 bil a shot requires a little more then 'I dominate a market' claims. If the OP is really as rich as he says, then revealing an alt which may give some data on his operations in the past will have little consequenceas he already has trillions right to outcompete anyone? Players asking for proof of the qualifications of an OP before investing in such an IPO isn't unusual. I can only assume you are an Alt or a m8 of the OP :) Ari Vote Arithron for CSM! Check out my thread: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=899358
Ramingo Caldari Payable on Death	Posted - 2010.09.19 10:33:00 - [60] Edited by: Ramingo on 19/09/2010 10:34:15 Originally by: Friary Controlling via contracts...oh yeah, that's doable... Was directed more at this quote. And to you, direct contracts between players do not show up in public and you can't tell this in an audit either. As such the only real proof he can give you is letting you log on his account and check for finished contracts, but we all know that's not going to happen, and screenshots of contract history can be photoshopped/faked. So in essence irrespective of what is said or done the only thing you can base it on is the sales posts he has made and contact the people who bought 50+ bill each of the navy ravens and then form your judgment, but even that isn't foolproof. In the end you're going to be safer not investing into anything as the only way to be somewhat secured is having the IPO/loan backed by collateral. Also, I'm neither an alt nor a mate, but in the 2 years I've been playing I've noticed most of his posts and it's what got me thinking about manipulation (on a much, much smaller scale) myself.
Zekuloth	Posted - 2010.09.19 14:42:00 - [61] Originally by: Ramingo Friary/Arithron, I'll indulge your lazy behinds. http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1368657 http://www.eve-search.com/thread/1327813 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1358161 There is absolutely no proof at all that any ships were ever purchased in those threads by anyone other than unknown imaginary chars. F90OEX has simply stated he is rich and controlled the CNR market but there is no proof. He has bigged himself up that he has trillions but he has no proof. This sounds very similar to a scam done by another char who did the same and that was a scam this seems like one too. Especially the you give me isk and ill return it 10x bit for the IPO. If your out to be generous and donate isk you dont need people to give it to you.
F90OEX F9X WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.09.19 20:29:00 - [62] Arithron since your a trader your more then welcome to bid on the next up coming batch of CNR's. Or when I have them I am more then willing to show you direct.... But this will never make you happy, I used to do this and every time someone like yourself called me either proof or gtfo, i'd show them, but then its " how you get so many CNRs" must be somekinda hack or cheat ..... let me black mail him since now I KNOW how he gets them ... goes on and on til the petitions start flying into CCP about F9 is cheating ..... It never ends, But IF your a legit investor I am more them happy to either get on TS or chat about what I have or how the CNR business works. Again rather then blabbing on about nothing and you did your research correct you would know I do not actively trader CNRs on a daily bases since ( and again I have explained it before) lot's of factors have changed. It's people like yourself have no intention of investing, regardless of the terms, list goes on and on ..... Sure your entitled to your point of view, but again clearly you come in to this thread not knowing about anything of how I Do and your strongest argument is look at his contracts lol, even though viewing public history contracts has been broken with people with large contract history's.. Again you knew all this right ? I'll update it later, but all mails have been answered and there is about 15% left before I close it.
Aishwarya Rai Ta'aqiru Technologies	Posted - 2010.09.19 20:32:00 - [63] if chribba is involved holding the collateral I will take up the remaining 15%
My Entity Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2010.09.19 20:42:00 - [64] Originally by: Aishwarya Rai if chribba is involved holding the collateral I will take up the remaining 15% Not so fasttttt. Please leave a spot for at least 10B for me as well, once Chribba confirms.
Aishwarya Rai Ta'aqiru Technologies	Posted - 2010.09.19 20:46:00 - [65] Originally by: My Entity Originally by: Aishwarya Rai if chribba is involved holding the collateral I will take up the remaining 15% Not so fasttttt. Please leave a spot for at least 10B for me as well, once Chribba confirms. alright I will take 10% leaving 5% for various investors
Celi Annor	Posted - 2010.09.19 21:21:00 - [66] F9 Are you doing this as a "favor" to the MD community? I mean 50 bonds at 10bil isk (total) that sonly 500 bil I know you have 10+ trillion if not 20...
Aeriella Taneth	Posted - 2010.09.19 21:27:00 - [67] This looks sketchy, but if Chribba holds full collateral for it then it should be scam-proof (unless the collateral is CNRs which suddenly devalue). I'll take 10b if Chribba posts in this thread to confirm that he's holding collateral.
Roguehalo Caldari Resonance Laboratories	Posted - 2010.09.19 21:42:00 - [68] This guy is a 'Walter Mitty' type fantasist. He wouldn't know what 3 trillion looked like if it jumped up and smacked him in the face. And as for trustworthyness go investigate his 3rd party service.
F90OEX F9X WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.09.19 22:04:00 - [69] Originally by: Roguehalo This guy is a 'Walter Mitty' type fantasist. He wouldn't know what 3 trillion looked like if it jumped up and smacked him in the face. And as for trustworthyness go investigate his 3rd party service. Another Anti F9 troller, WHY ? he got mad when he got into the CNR buying and selling and could not make any profit b/c you always got undersold, look at his broken contract history All goes back to the days in the ship trading channel, not my fault your another washed up fail CNR trader, If you have followed the rules you would not be as mad as you still are. Other then the State Raven, show me ONE 3rd party dealing that I have taken, scammed or worth investigating.
Boogie Bobby	Posted - 2010.09.20 00:22:00 - [70] Originally by: F90OEX Other then the State Raven, show me ONE 3rd party dealing that I have taken, scammed or worth investigating. "Except for that time I violated the trust placed in me, show me that time that I violated the trust placed in me"
Mishkaii	Posted - 2010.09.20 02:35:00 - [71] You know, Bad Bobby was pretty okay except for that one time he scammed. Everyone gets a pass though, right?
Amarr Citizen 155 Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.09.20 03:41:00 - [72] Where's Chribba? -----------------/finger I only post on MD when I'm too drunk too give a ****.
Jamie Banks Wasted and Still Mining	Posted - 2010.09.20 04:10:00 - [73] 1. Where's Chribba? 2. He's displayed mistrust before 3. Initially tryed to get 1.3B, Bad Bobby got 850B, F9 wants to take the new crown of Biggest Scam ever. 4. I'm doing this as a 'favor' _______________________________ Join in-game Channel 'Aussies' AU/NZ Corp Register
Nathan Jameson	Posted - 2010.09.20 04:38:00 - [74] Originally by: F90OEX smokescreen Originally by: F90OEX more smokescreen Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 Where's Chribba? That pretty much sums up this thread.
F90OEX F9X WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.09.20 04:51:00 - [75] Thank you for your concerns. If I really wanted/needed the ISK for myself, I got several nice BPO's I could sell or even the State Raven fitted.
Lucyna Minmatar Interstellar Killer Bee Enterprises	Posted - 2010.09.20 05:03:00 - [76] Well I hope no one transfers money before Chribba confirms that he holds enough. Otherwise, this is quite an epic offer! I'll be keeping tabs on its progress ;) _________ Eve - for when I'm not playing minecraft ;)
Dana Gilmour	Posted - 2010.09.20 05:15:00 - [77] This is fishy in so many ways and the fact the so many people are ready to fall again for a "secured", way less documented and illogical offer makes me think bad things about the human race. But oh well, can't say I am really surprised.
F90OEX F9X WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.09.20 05:35:00 - [78] Originally by: Lucyna Well I hope no one transfers money before Chribba confirms that he holds enough. Otherwise, this is quite an epic offer! I'll be keeping tabs on its progress ;) Look NO ONE is REQUIRED / FORCED to send anything to me until the agreements that the investors require and I follow through with it. Till then they don't have to send me anything. I love the way people worry about other peoples Isk and there business.
Dana Gilmour	Posted - 2010.09.20 06:26:00 - [79] Originally by: F90OEX I love the way people worry about other peoples Isk and there business. Yep, it's really surprising, isn't it? Never happened and totally illogical I'd say. That if you lived in a jungle and never made contact with people. On the same 'I love' note: I love when someone says: "I just scammed once and in a different way that the one I'm trying now so definitely I'm trustworthy. Also, I am NOT FORCING anyone to send me ISK". Yep. Awesome arguments. Both make a really good pairing with "I do have trillions of ISK so I don't need yours to invest, just want to help you to make some, but for this you have to prove me that you already have a sizable amount and send it to me". All in all makes perfect sense.
Alice Celadon	Posted - 2010.09.20 07:02:00 - [80] 1 F9 has never been audited -- his 'quadrillion trillion' isk bluster has never been substantiated, though it has been vigorously promoted -- by him. Actually, if you research the qen ship numbers and f9's claims carefully, it is easy to see that he is either grossly exaggerating or lying. 2 If Chribba secures the frontend, f9 will use the reputation surge to get an even larger number of investments on the backend and scam those. 3 If he really wanted to create EVE goodwill for its own sake, he already has a great mechanism in place through t'amber. Why not just make a free lottery? 4 HEY YOU -- NOOBISH INVESTOR -- IF F9 CONVOES YOU WITH SPECIAL PRIVATE OFFERS, GO AHEAD AND PARAPHRASE THEM HERE. GIVE HIM NOTHING.
mechtech SRS Industries SRS.	Posted - 2010.09.20 07:40:00 - [81] Originally by: F90OEX Look NO ONE is REQUIRED / FORCED to send anything to me until the agreements that the investors require and I follow through with it. Till then they don't have to send me anything. I love the way people worry about other peoples Isk and there business. You made a bond post, questions/critiques should be expected and welcomed. Until you secure the bond (which should be easy using your CNR stocks), expect negative feedback too. Without any security, it is a pretty terrible bond, no offense. An audit on your net worth should be easy to do as well, I can't imagine traces of your 1T+ net worth couldn't at least be partially confirmed via a quick audit from a trusted source. That said, I hope everything goes well. From the sound of it this could be a straight forward bond with solid security if you follow through with properly securing it.
Roguehalo Caldari Resonance Laboratories	Posted - 2010.09.20 07:53:00 - [82] Edited by: Roguehalo on 20/09/2010 07:56:04 Originally by: F90OEX Originally by: Roguehalo This guy is a 'Walter Mitty' type fantasist. He wouldn't know what 3 trillion looked like if it jumped up and smacked him in the face. And as for trustworthyness go investigate his 3rd party service. Another Anti F9 troller, WHY ? he got mad when he got into the CNR buying and selling and could not make any profit b/c you always got undersold, look at his broken contract history All goes back to the days in the ship trading channel, not my fault your another washed up fail CNR trader, If you have followed the rules you would not be as mad as you still are. Other then the State Raven, show me ONE 3rd party dealing that I have taken, scammed or worth investigating. This is my 3rd go at playing Eve having quit twice previously(deleting all my characters and assets un the process) Starting with a 1b isk loan from cosmoray I made about 35b in 8 months trading ships. This included a period during which I bought and sold large numbers of CNRS. For you to have made 3 trillion from trading CNRS you would have been having to sell 60+ EVERY SINGLE DAY for at least 3 years. Well you know when I started trading CNRS they were about 300m and you couldnt give them away....I traded them all the way up to 650m and you know what? You think I would have noticed 60+ CNRS coming onto the market EVERY SINGLE DAY. Well I didn't notice them because they weren't there and you are a liar. You are a legend in your own mind. Very doubtful if in anybody elses though. Anybody got any suggestions what I should do with about 30b of ship bpos I got lying around? Oh yeah I got 750 Titans4u shares for sale too edit : spelling
Alice Celadon	Posted - 2010.09.20 08:02:00 - [83] Originally by: Roguehalo Edited by: Roguehalo on 20/09/2010 07:56:04 Originally by: F90OEX Originally by: Roguehalo This guy is a 'Walter Mitty' type fantasist. He wouldn't know what 3 trillion looked like if it jumped up and smacked him in the face. And as for trustworthyness go investigate his 3rd party service. Another Anti F9 troller, WHY ? he got mad when he got into the CNR buying and selling and could not make any profit b/c you always got undersold, look at his broken contract history All goes back to the days in the ship trading channel, not my fault your another washed up fail CNR trader, If you have followed the rules you would not be as mad as you still are. Other then the State Raven, show me ONE 3rd party dealing that I have taken, scammed or worth investigating. This is my 3rd go at playing Eve having quit twice previously(deleting all my characters and assets un the process) Starting with a 1b isk loan from cosmoray I made about 35b in 8 months trading ships. This included a period during which I bought and sold large numbers of CNRS. For you to have made 3 trillion from trading CNRS you would have been having to sell 60+ EVERY SINGLE DAY for at least 3 years. Well you know when I started trading CNRS they were about 300m and you couldnt give them away....I traded them all the way up to 650m and you know what? You think I would have noticed 60+ CNRS coming onto the market EVERY SINGLE DAY. Well I didn't notice them because they weren't there and you are a liar. You are a legend in your own mind. Very doubtful if in anybody elses though. Anybody got any suggestions what I should do with about 30b of ship bpos I got lying around? Oh yeah I got 750 Titans4u shares for sale too edit : spelling This. F9 is a long term reputation grind that didn't have the sense to keep clean and plausible like Bad Bobby and Ricdic.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.09.20 08:13:00 - [84] Quote: I love the way people worry about other peoples Isk and there business. To keep up with my fame of not getting intimidated by any godling's face: 1) Your prospectus looks worse than several 1-2B newbie investees. 2) It lacks of content and structure and details about the proponent. 3) It's deceptive and this should push every investor to hold their money for now: Quote: Full amount of the bond will be secured (Chribba) if he is interested. Quote: Again the INTENTION will be to have it secured Quote: If for whatever reason it is not I will not run it here. The above are the perfect "hole" where a trusted Name is called, then exceptions are insinuated and an "workaround way" (if not, it will run out of here) is indicated. 4) Lack of need to do it, which is one of the main reasons people run the extra mile and go public as last resort. 5) Lack of any performance data nor interest rate. 6) Seen too many times attitude towards "Dear underlings, I graciously concede you my nectar". 7) Past State Raven affair shows something unclean happened. Also, it is a sign that the Investee has a price and therefore risks to fall in the huge number of "ready to pull the trigger and cash in at the right opportunity / reward ratio" mentality. 8) Bad climate to start the umpteenth mega-huge-Curzon-Dax alike venture. Poor choice of time? Or what? MD does not need this kind of investment. They are poisonous and give the wrong example to proper newcomer Investees. - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
AnakieNine	Posted - 2010.09.20 08:37:00 - [85] I've been watching this thread wondering how long it would take for people to catch on. Some players stupidity never amazes me. Thread over. (2009.06.19) http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1102207 Quote: End of the summer I should be over 3 Trillion, not including assets. But Entity wins that game with his net worth alone. You state in another thread that you have been making isk in CRN's for 4 years. So I guess this year you made so much more than your previous years profits and turned 3 trillion into 20+ trillion and increased assets out of this world. Very nice.. Forget about 66 CRN's a day its more like 180 a day to make 10 trillion ie One sold every 8 minutes for about 200mil profit each.. Also telling people to use an alt to register is gold. First time I've ever seen it in a MD thread. Guess it allows you to run another fictitious "trust me" marketing event without any investment or sales. just like your 1000 CNR contracts. Also I don't see anywhere near 500b worth of takers in this thread. Oh yeah sorry. I know they all eve-mailed you privately. Shame that no other IPO in the history of MD has ever had such a high direct, out of forum take-up. You Sir are a winner. o/

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.09.20 08:45:00 - [86] Posting to confirm that I did receive an inquiry about securing this bond earlier this morning. I have decided that I will not be securing it. Best of luck to OP and potential investors. /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Alice Celadon	Posted - 2010.09.20 09:47:00 - [87] Truly incredible. You couldn't even get the fully-collateralized portion of your 'venture' secured. Tell you what f9 -- if you end this now and declare, 'Mwahahaha you are all too late! I have scammed twenty trillion already from you hapless nooblets!' I promise not only make myself believe it, I'll also throw in belief in your CNR profits...at no extra charge! Your fame is assured friend.
My Entity Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2010.09.20 11:13:00 - [88] Originally by: Chribba Posting to confirm that I did receive an inquiry about securing this bond earlier this morning. I have decided that I will not be securing it. Best of luck to OP and potential investors. /c The whole premise of the offering was that the OP will be providing collateral equivalent to the offer itself and would be sured by possibly the most trustworthy third party service in EVE Online, Chribba. I am not sure if my bid/offer got accepted, but if it has, I would like to pull out. Thank you.
LOLCatofJita Positive Cashflow through Positive Thinking	Posted - 2010.09.20 11:14:00 - [89] Wanted to get in on this thread early. o7
Mishkaii	Posted - 2010.09.20 12:59:00 - [90] Why is MD so tough on F90, the hero that tempted with a State Raven instead returned it to its rightful owned instead of being an accessory of thieves and scammers? A man of moreal fiber unknown on Eve? It is interesting that its the Bad Bobby's that get people jumping over each other and hanging from the rafters to invest in his FOTM scam and who get the "Whoa nice bro, epic scam"
Grendell Technologies Unlimited	Posted - 2010.09.20 14:55:00 - [91] Originally by: Chribba Posting to confirm that I did receive an inquiry about securing this bond earlier this morning. I have decided that I will not be securing it. Best of luck to OP and potential investors. /c With that, I'm out. If you need a replacement 3rd party, I'd be happy to hear out the terms. Grendell ♥
My Entity Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2010.09.20 15:04:00 - [92] Originally by: Grendell Originally by: Chribba Posting to confirm that I did receive an inquiry about securing this bond earlier this morning. I have decided that I will not be securing it. Best of luck to OP and potential investors. /c With that, I'm out. If you need a replacement 3rd party, I'd be happy to hear out the terms. Ok, if Grendell secures "full collateral," I am in again =)
Mme Pinkerton United Engineering Services	Posted - 2010.09.20 15:12:00 - [93] Edited by: Mme Pinkerton on 20/09/2010 15:14:38 wrong thread
Grendell Technologies Unlimited	Posted - 2010.09.20 15:14:00 - [94] Originally by: Mme Pinkerton Edited by: Mme Pinkerton on 20/09/2010 15:12:29 One thing I don't understand is: just a few days ago you made a big point out of not allowing the sale of EBANK balances, even between verified accounts; now you present us a system which seems to encourage exactly this behavior (as you cannot control what happens to the shares once they are issued). care to enlighten me on that sudden switch of opinion? Psst Pink, wrong thread. Grendell ♥
Mme Pinkerton United Engineering Services	Posted - 2010.09.20 15:15:00 - [95] Originally by: Grendell Psst Pink, wrong thread. too many tabs...
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six	Posted - 2010.09.20 16:15:00 - [96] Originally by: AnakieNine I've been watching this thread wondering how long it would take for people to catch on. Some players stupidity never amazes me. Thread over. (2009.06.19) http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1102207 Quote: End of the summer I should be over 3 Trillion, not including assets. But Entity wins that game with his net worth alone. You state in another thread that you have been making isk in CRN's for 4 years. So I guess this year you made so much more than your previous years profits and turned 3 trillion into 20+ trillion and increased assets out of this world. Very nice.. Forget about 66 CRN's a day its more like 180 a day to make 10 trillion ie One sold every 8 minutes for about 200mil profit each.. Also telling people to use an alt to register is gold. First time I've ever seen it in a MD thread. Guess it allows you to run another fictitious "trust me" marketing event without any investment or sales. just like your 1000 CNR contracts. Also I don't see anywhere near 500b worth of takers in this thread. Oh yeah sorry. I know they all eve-mailed you privately. Shame that no other IPO in the history of MD has ever had such a high direct, out of forum take-up. You Sir are a winner. o/ Makes you wonder what, if any, reality has ever existed in such statements about his own wealth? F9X, you know that no one would have a problem with you if you weren't constantly shooting yourself in your own foot by both word and deed? Right? Or maybe you just like the attention ______________________________
Aeriella Taneth	Posted - 2010.09.20 18:08:00 - [97] Originally by: Chribba Posting to confirm that I did receive an inquiry about securing this bond earlier this morning. I have decided that I will not be securing it. Best of luck to OP and potential investors. /c Withdrawing my reservation in this case. I am slightly curious as to why Chribba wouldn't want to be associated with this, however.
F90OEX F9X WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.09.20 18:50:00 - [98] From his mail and I hope he does not mind, this was part of the reason. "Seeing the turbulence around bonds/banks/IPOs and the likes lately I've decided to take it a bit slower with said offerings" Also I think he misunderstood when I told him it involved CNR's, because of that, he might have assumed that I was giving him 500bil in CNRs and he would not have the time to sell them. But regardless I was giving him 500bil ISK. Bond is still running only 1 person has pulled for 75bil, any questions send me a mail.
Cista2 Hydra Investment Fund	Posted - 2010.09.20 18:56:00 - [99] Originally by: F90OEX he misunderstood .... only 1 person has pulled Time for popcorn. ----------------------- "Signatures" chatroom / Hydra Fund / LLSE Stock Market
Grendell Technologies Unlimited	Posted - 2010.09.20 19:18:00 - [100] Alright so basically it would involve, holding the collateral which would be in the form of isk. (500b total) What would be the terms you had in mind for a default. As in what are the terms for a liquidation/payout of the collateral if you do not meet your monthly interest payments. A single missed payment? 2 consecutive missed payments? If you'd like to discuss the details and terms in-game let me know. Grendell ♥
Phoenix Pryde Caldari 3-I Area 42	Posted - 2010.09.20 19:51:00 - [101] lol
AnthonyKiedis Goldmen's Sacks	Posted - 2010.09.20 20:42:00 - [102] Edited by: AnthonyKiedis on 20/09/2010 20:45:21 If he were feeling so charitable as he says he is he would do this: <a href="http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=794"> Plex for pakistan </a> Otherwise per occam's razor, this is a convoluted scam that he is trying to disguise as secured risk free investment.
F90OEX F9X WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.09.23 23:03:00 - [103] As promised, Investment strategy plan (PDF) has been mailed out to Investors. Everything has been outlined and discussed from last week in it. You can send your ISK to the Corp (F9X), once done send me a confirmation via mail.
cosmoray Cosmoray Holdings Corp	Posted - 2010.09.23 23:41:00 - [104] Edited by: cosmoray on 23/09/2010 23:43:07 Why can't you link pdf in thread. No doubt you are seriously rich, rich enough to not require this bond. This always make me wonder why you are trying to do this? If this is to be charitable why don't you just give some away? If it is not charitable it does not make business sense as you are putting 500B in collateral and paying 10% per month therefore reducing your returns. Seems to good to be true!! edit: you also state on first page, that if it does not get secured you won't run it. So why are you still trying to run the bond?
F90OEX F9X WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.09.23 23:59:00 - [105] Originally by: cosmoray Why can't you link pdf in thread. No doubt you are seriously rich, rich enough to not require this bond. This always make me wonder why you are trying to do this? If this is to be charitable why don't you just give some away? If it is not charitable it does not make business sense as you are putting 500B in collateral and paying 10% per month therefore reducing your returns. Seems to good to be true!! cosmoray, You have always seemed to be a good senseable guy, so I will answer your questions. I do not require the bond for anything personal, I am sure you know I have everything I want in game that interests me. If I do not I can buy it with my own personal ISK since I have enough to do so. As for giving it away, I have in the past to people that seemed to have made a effort in Eve. I have always helped people out ALWAYS. I know people are ****ed off and on high alert after BB doing a runner and my timing might not be the best, but I am doing the way it works for me and more important the people who want to invest ( some of them have been waiting along time) are happy. I offered Chribba 500bil and he does not want part of it for the reasons mentioned above. You can call it a Scam, too good to be true etc..... All I can say wait 30, 60 and 90days the people who invest will be paid there interest and on the last payment will receive there ISK back + interest, I have no reason to hide, I am not using an alt like most people do, anything I do in Eve have been done with this Char. Your just going to have to wait and see, but as much as internet words mean anything, I can assure you I am not running of with other peoples ISK.
Krathos Morpheus Legion Infernal	Posted - 2010.09.24 00:14:00 - [106] 1st. Are you confirming that you intend to run this WITHOUT collateral? 2nd. Are you going to ignore the discrepancies and incongruences related to the money you claim to have?
Metallion1	Posted - 2010.09.24 02:12:00 - [107] F9 , 100 bil sent as promised . I am sending now due to my going on holiday for 2 weeks . I'm not sure if i will be on the net or not during that time frame . I will be in touch upon my return . Thanks again o/
Grendell Technologies Unlimited	Posted - 2010.09.24 02:18:00 - [108] As previously stated, I'd be happy to discuss securing this offering. Grendell ♥
mechtech SRS Industries SRS.	Posted - 2010.09.24 02:25:00 - [109] Originally by: F90OEX As for giving it away, I have in the past to people that seemed to have made a effort in Eve. I have always helped people out ALWAYS. Except that one time, you know, you took that state raven worth over 100B... Of course you might rationalize that by saying you were helping out. Originally by: F90OEX You can call it a Scam, too good to be true etc..... Your just going to have to wait and see, but as much as internet words mean anything, I can assure you I am not running of with other peoples ISK. The problem people have with this offering is crystal clear, let me put it down in a logical fashion. 1) You're going forward with an uncollateralized bond with only your word as security. A fair few people with greater reputations have scammed exactly like this. There is absolutely nothing about your character that sets you apart. 2) Your isk claims are borderline ludicrous. Even with massive contracts with isk farmers, 3T isk from CNR contract trading is very, very hard to picture. "No assets just straight Isk , My assets are about 10 trillion+ tbh, Liquid Isk is a lot more. " This is hilarious to me. If F9O0EX is your original character, you've been pulling over 10B isk a day in profit from the day you started.... with no breaks.. and not counting for any lost assets. 3) Charity? If you want to do charity, why would you run a bond and go to the effort of having a business plan in a PDF format? You're worth 10T, absolutely nothing you do with this measly bond even compares. It doesn't add up, just give it away in a fun creative way like other rich/bored eve players have done. Charity + straight forward bond = total red flag. 4) Other smaller red flags. The immediate transition to uncollateralized with no attempt to try anything else. The PDF which you "mailed to investors" (Please link this). The careful avoidance of the real concerns people have. The strange sense of deja vu I get as a 5 year follower of MD. To be honest you'll probably payout out this first bond in full and link back here in the future to state how we wrong all along. If you were in it to scam, a bond in this situation would be worth more as further rep grinding. That doesn't excuse the fact that the bond in its current state is a terrible investment. PS: I'd really, really, really like to see some proof of at least 5T of you 10T net worth. You don't seem like a necessarily modest person... please enlighten us
Countesss	Posted - 2010.09.24 02:39:00 - [110] Metallion1 Total posts54. Similar times that coincide with F9's posting times. Also post/bids/pumps bids into F9's sales here and here. Just looks suspicious that he's only around when you are.
F90OEX F9X WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.09.24 02:55:00 - [111] Originally by: mechtech Originally by: F90OEX As for giving it away, I have in the past to people that seemed to have made a effort in Eve. I have always helped people out ALWAYS. Except that one time, you know, you took that state raven worth over 100B... Of course you might rationalize that by saying you were helping out. Originally by: F90OEX You can call it a Scam, too good to be true etc..... Your just going to have to wait and see, but as much as internet words mean anything, I can assure you I am not running of with other peoples ISK. The problem people have with this offering is crystal clear, let me put it down in a logical fashion. 1) You're going forward with an uncollateralized bond with only your word as security. A fair few people with greater reputations have scammed exactly like this. There is absolutely nothing about your character that sets you apart. 2) Your isk claims are borderline ludicrous. Even with massive contracts with isk farmers, 3T isk from CNR contract trading is very, very hard to picture. "No assets just straight Isk , My assets are about 10 trillion+ tbh, Liquid Isk is a lot more. " This is hilarious to me. If F9O0EX is your original character, you've been pulling over 10B isk a day in profit from the day you started.... with no breaks.. and not counting for any lost assets. 3) Charity? If you want to do charity, why would you run a bond and go to the effort of having a business plan in a PDF format? You're worth 10T, absolutely nothing you do with this measly bond even compares. It doesn't add up, just give it away in a fun creative way like other rich/bored eve players have done. Charity + straight forward bond = total red flag. 4) Other smaller red flags. The immediate transition to uncollateralized with no attempt to try anything else. The PDF which you "mailed to investors" (Please link this). The careful avoidance of the real concerns people have. The strange sense of deja vu I get as a 5 year follower of MD. To be honest you'll probably payout out this first bond in full and link back here in the future to state how we wrong all along. If you were in it to scam, a bond in this situation would be worth more as further rep grinding. That doesn't excuse the fact that the bond in its current state is a terrible investment. PS: I'd really, really, really like to see some proof of at least 5T of you 10T net worth. You don't seem like a necessarily modest person... please enlighten us You seem to forget that the State Raven was Stolen and that 180bil was refunded to the buyer. I have handled over 1 Trillion in combined Isk and Prizes for just one of the many lotto's I have 3rd party for, never took 1 Isk, never asked for anything. SINCE you stated I will probably pay out on this bond THEN lets worry about the next one. IF, and IF I run another one I promise you it won't be on here
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.09.24 07:51:00 - [112] I randomly checked this thread and noticed my quite precise and numbered points were not addressed. They weren't typed in a particularly difficult nor inflammatory way but of course, an auditor does pinpointed straight questions. As of now you have not justified why you vaunted credit, twice, with no proof. - Operations involving a fraction of this turnover have presented detailed "GAAP compliant" accounting sheets. - No proof of any compatible NAV has been provided. - Unsubstantiated claim of prestige third party involvement in a crucial step of the operation, to entice deposits. Just to make an example, when done in RL this is a jail crime in my country. Quote: You seem to forget that the State Raven was Stolen and that 180bil was refunded to the buyer. I have handled over 1 Trillion in combined Isk and Prizes for just one of the many lotto's I have 3rd party for, never took 1 Isk, never asked for anything. To debunk Grabriel Virtus suspects how my past being in IT-Alliance could bias my behavior: the State Raven iirc was stolen off the IT coffers, possibly off Sir Molle. Now, the ship was stolen indeed but EvE's rules allow for stealing and scamming, whatever awful things they are. Therefore there was "nothing forbidden" at having done that crime. Therefore it was stolen but now in legitimate and EULA compatible possession of SFS. Only at this point your service gets called into action. You unilaterally foregave neutrality and became roleplay judge. This could be commendable for justice's sake, but it's a BAD THING for a third party service aka the definition of being above the parts. I know this too well, when I had to stick being neutral third party myself at holding intellectual Goonswarm asset while being in IT-Alliance myself. I was flamed and thrown all sorts of manure from every single avenue. But I hardened the face, because being NEUTRAL is the only way to be a trusted third party. As someone else stated: "Being Neutral means ignoring past discretions and being equal to both sides of the transaction. While he did not steal the isk from the intended future owner of the Raven, he did not remain neutral to SFS, and thus, has forfeited any future in the Neutrality business." You have followed a stance not uncommon, even another quite important MD member stated he'd scam a scammer despite he's firmly against scams. But it's not proper neutrality and also goes against the neutral sandbox nature of the game. My simple rebuttal is: if you hate them, don't act like them. Now, being good at social relations apparently was enough to have people forget this - but I'd personally have some issues at thinking I'd give out something of mine not knowing when the "roleplay judge" instinct could kick in and decide my stuff has to be confiscated. Yes they were damn thieves and deserved it, but it was not YOUR role to secure justice. You were coffer, not police. A coffer leaking out. - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Cista2 Hydra Investment Fund	Posted - 2010.09.24 08:59:00 - [113] Originally by: Countesss Metallion1 Total posts54. Similar times that coincide with F9's posting times. ... Just looks suspicious that he's only around when you are. As a matter of fact, this is Metallion1's first post in MD ever. Metallion1 has made 2 posts ever in the Sell Forum, and both have been bumping prices on sales by F900X. I couldn't care less if this is a scam or not, but certaily the offering looks mighty suspicious now. The OP just has to work out a securing agreement with Grendell then there is nothing more to say about it. How many times must Grendell post here offering his service? ----------------------- "Signatures" chatroom / Hydra Fund / LLSE Stock Market
F90OEX F9X WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.09.24 10:48:00 - [114] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha I randomly checked this thread and noticed my quite precise and numbered points were not addressed. They weren't typed in a particularly difficult nor inflammatory way but of course, an auditor does pinpointed straight questions. As of now you have not justified why you vaunted credit, twice, with no proof. - Operations involving a fraction of this turnover have presented detailed "GAAP compliant" accounting sheets. - No proof of any compatible NAV has been provided. - Unsubstantiated claim of prestige third party involvement in a crucial step of the operation, to entice deposits. Just to make an example, when done in RL this is a jail crime in my country. Quote: You seem to forget that the State Raven was Stolen and that 180bil was refunded to the buyer. I have handled over 1 Trillion in combined Isk and Prizes for just one of the many lotto's I have 3rd party for, never took 1 Isk, never asked for anything. To debunk Grabriel Virtus suspects how my past being in IT-Alliance could bias my behavior: the State Raven iirc was stolen off the IT coffers, possibly off Sir Molle. Only at this point your service gets called into action. You unilaterally foregave neutrality and became roleplay judge. This could be commendable for justice's sake, but it's a BAD THING for a third party service aka the definition of being above the parts. Not disagreeing with you, but IF I really wanted to scam, I would of probably done 3 things, take 1 ship (I did) Take ALL 3 ships ( which I could of ) Take all 3 ships AND the 180bil I CHOOSE not too. But what's done is done. As for Molle, he never saw 1 Isk from the whole thing since SFS decided to buy himself a nice Titan, Char and other shiny stuff and make a video Vaerah, In all honesty and you seem to know this as well as I, I open my books 3 things with either come out, he is hacking, China or "one of a kind" BPO. What I can do is open a clean history account and deposit 5T-10T Isk, 10+ BPOs and other high end assets into it and have it fully audited, Will THAT make people happy ? Probably not. People are STILL going to wonder how I acquired it. IF Chribba took the 500bil, most of this would not be an issue, but I cannot force him. Like I said, people seem to be mad over BB calling it a day and running off with the ISK, E-bank closing and few others close to failure. Look where all the audits, protections, checks and balances got them, well the people who invested ... what did it get them ? Nothing. I'll think about it and see if there is some arrangement we can come to, there is a few of you guys I like. But in a sea of alts, I'm not going to just open my "books" to just anyone....
Alice Celadon	Posted - 2010.09.24 11:14:00 - [115] luckily for the newer investors, your prevarications and shiftless shilly-shallying are really obvious.
Martosh Toma Gallente Fraction Investment	Posted - 2010.09.24 11:35:00 - [116] Personaly I think people are mostly posting here because this whole thing makes no sense if it is not a scam of some kind. Why start a public and riskles investment which is fully backed up with isk and has a projected return of 10% monthly. Unless there is risk it would be a charity. People that have 10B usually distrust people offering them charity within eve.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.09.24 13:39:00 - [117] Quote: What I can do is open a clean history account and deposit 5T-10T Isk, 10+ BPOs and other high end assets into it and have it fully audited, Will THAT make people happy ? Probably not. People are STILL going to wonder how I acquired it Being fully audited and stuff overseen by someone like Grendell would be a long way towards establishing a trust partnership with investors. Actually being fully audited would not even tell a lot (I don't think I asked you to get an audit) because eve API would not cover anything about your contracts, would not cover more than a week of anything anyway. But it's your interest - expecially if you want to "enter" the MD investors community - to try and understand (and make them understand) the true intentions. Take i.e. SH recent thread: someone questioned him and he's going at great lengths to ask what people want in order to trust him. That very act of him attracts investors, they SEE he's doing all what is possible (in EvE limits) to tell them / show them all what's possible. Quote: IF Chribba took the 500bil, most of this would not be an issue, but I cannot force him. You have to read in Chribba's words. I would not hold your stuff either, you put him in a position where he could get burned and he got his hands full of kindly given garbage already off recent events. Heck, you have yet to even tell a real reason why you are doing all of this! Public investments are universally known as the last resort, when you exhausted friends, alliance loans etc. then you go on MD and have to ask for public money and prove you are worth it. See why people are suspicious of someone that goes on the "last resort" place to basically shower people with money? It makes no sense to the average investor, it's your duty to inform them about why of this. Quote: Like I said, people seem to be mad over BB calling it a day and running off with the ISK, E-bank closing and few others close to failure. Look where all the audits, protections, checks and balances got them Not one of them had an audit. Surprised, eh?
Amarr Citizen 155 Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.09.24 14:34:00 - [118] Originally by: Martosh Toma Why start a public and riskles investment which is fully backed up with isk and has a projected return of 10% monthly. Actually, it's not fully backed up with isk. He is moving forward with this without securing it. -----------------/finger I only post on MD when I'm too drunk too give a ****.
Vilgan Mazran Aperture Harmonics K162	Posted - 2010.09.24 15:03:00 - [119] Could just put a few T isk on your main and update eveboard w/ isk showing. That'd get a lot of people to shut up in a hurry ;p I wish stuff like this were sincere, and perhaps it is. Then I could lazily toss in 200B or so and not have to do anything to earn 10%/month (which is less than I aim for these days anyway due to laziness). But the way you've presented yourself here, on other boards, and such gives the appearance of not being trustworthy. You've made a lot of claims that seem preposterous without anything to back them up. Not ripping off T'Amber (who I assume you know somewhat and respect/like/whatever) is different than not ripping off random people who send you isk in quantities of 10B+. The fact you've ignored Grendell's offers to secure it are also a bit strange. I personally consider Chribba the only guaranteed "won't scam ever" person, but a lot of people here would likely trust Grendell and that would let you press forward on the whole deal.
Dana Gilmour	Posted - 2010.09.24 19:07:00 - [120] Edited by: Dana Gilmour on 24/09/2010 19:08:56 So this still continues. If you're not looking to make any money of this (you have so much idle money that another 500B won't be of any use to you) and if you're looking just to "help" some people that are "worthy" (have at least 10B) why do you need to hold their money for 3 months or even at all? Why not just verify that they have the amount (so many ways to do it) and then offer them whatever you feel like?
Alice Celadon	Posted - 2010.09.24 23:38:00 - [121] F9, you are so terrible at this scam that I'm going to rewrite it for you in a form that would have worked. 1. "Hi, I'm F9! I'm the guy who made a ton of money off CNR Ravens and have been a neutral third party for a few years now. 2. "I want to reenter the faction BS business, but all of my isk is tied up in really shiny officer fit ships that I like to pvp in (link to your deathmails that I know exist of officer fit BSes). 3. "What I'm going to do is offer a two month bond at 10% a month. Total bond amount: around 200 billion. I'm going to secure this bond with Grendell/Chribba by having them hold various assets of mine. ^^This assumes you have a few hundred billion in assets -- which I'm no longer sure is even the case. 4. "Hey guys, I completed that last bond to the letter. I want to expand my business to encompass all those new FW BSes. My new bond will be for 200 billion again. 5. Now you contact all your prior investors in private and offer them a special 12% rate of return if they're willing to put a lot of isk into your business -- "I get sick of paying out to a ton of investors and want to cut down on my overhead." 6. Then you scam.
Trebor Whettam	Posted - 2010.09.25 00:40:00 - [122] Quote: What I can do is open a clean history account and deposit 5T-10T Isk, 10+ BPOs and other high end assets into it and have it fully audited, Will THAT make people happy ? Probably not. People are STILL going to wonder how I acquired it. That'd convince people that you're as crazy rich as you claim. You could toss a few trillion into a clean account and publish the limited api key. If nothing else you'd get some more fame and publicity. I know I'd be curious to look.
Htrag The Carebear Stare Hydroponic Zone	Posted - 2010.09.25 00:57:00 - [123] Originally by: F90OEX Not disagreeing with you, but IF I really wanted to scam, I would of probably done 3 things, take 1 ship (I did) Take ALL 3 ships ( which I could of ) Take all 3 ships AND the 180bil I CHOOSE not too. But what's done is done. As for Molle, he never saw 1 Isk from the whole thing since SFS decided to buy himself a nice Titan, Char and other shiny stuff and make a video You could have taken all 3 ships? I dont think so. You're saying that you never even returned the ship to Molle? You essentially just stole it from SFS, claiming the moral high ground but you never compensated Bob? Hmmm. I knew I'd see some type of sell out scam like this from you eventually, but its evident that you've compromised your reputation permanently.
Machete Visor	Posted - 2010.09.25 01:33:00 - [124] Edited by: Machete Visor on 25/09/2010 01:35:32 this must be the most bungled ipo/scam/whatever to receive so much attention. hysterical kudos to grendell for basically letting op shoot himself 75b alt bump is a cherry on top of the moron pie ....pls continue
F90OEX F9X WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.09.25 02:41:00 - [125] Originally by: Htrag Originally by: F90OEX Not disagreeing with you, but IF I really wanted to scam, I would of probably done 3 things, take 1 ship (I did) Take ALL 3 ships ( which I could of ) Take all 3 ships AND the 180bil I CHOOSE not too. But what's done is done. As for Molle, he never saw 1 Isk from the whole thing since SFS decided to buy himself a nice Titan, Char and other shiny stuff and make a video You could have taken all 3 ships? I dont think so. You're saying that you never even returned the ship to Molle? You essentially just stole it from SFS, claiming the moral high ground but you never compensated Bob? Hmmm. I knew I'd see some type of sell out scam like this from you eventually, but its evident that you've compromised your reputation permanently. Wow thats great, where you part of the convo when it took place ? Remember this is coming from a person who wrote a statement on your website that myself Loki and T'amber where ALL the same person On a more serious note .... Limited API does not show Account info.... But i'll make another char and give 1 or 2 people access to it. And lastly mails have been sent out regarding the ISK received, Waiting on 2 more deposits, Interest will be paid from the time that I have received your Isk. But the official date of payments will be starting the 27th of each month.
TheWrit	Posted - 2010.09.25 02:53:00 - [126] F900EX , alliance ISK sent through my alt . Thanks for the opportunity and i look forward to future business with you .
mechtech SRS Industries SRS.	Posted - 2010.09.25 04:38:00 - [127] Originally by: F90OEX Limited API does not show Account info.... But i'll make another char and give 1 or 2 people access to it. Eagerly awaiting Grendell's audit of your clean account with "5-10T isk and other high end assets" ... This is literally the least you could do to prove you're not a scam.
Alice Celadon	Posted - 2010.09.25 06:04:00 - [128] Oh god mechtech, let me spoil the surprise for you: the person who'audits' the account will be someone you've never heard of.
Dalden V Blue Lounge Industries	Posted - 2010.09.25 07:48:00 - [129] So who are the investors? I don't see any of the people who posted their reservations saying they sent any ISK.
RAW23	Posted - 2010.09.25 08:10:00 - [130] Originally by: Dalden V So who are the investors? I don't see any of the people who posted their reservations saying they sent any ISK. They are all 'private', which is very convenient. I won't say that this is a scam but it looks pretty indistinguishable from a really transparent one. Whatever it is, it is not a real investment opportunity. No Business plan. No collateral. Attempt to use Chribba's name. Lying in the OP about not continuing without collateral. No audit to confirm even the most basic claims the OP has made. Huge contradictions betweens the OPs posts. What looks like a huge exercise in rep grinding. No attempt to explain the bizarre structure of the offer. The only thing I don't have a problem with is the State Raven issue. If it was handed back, or offered back, to its original owner then the OP did the right thing, even if it was a bad idea from the perspective of third party neutrality.
AnakieNine	Posted - 2010.09.25 09:04:00 - [131] Edited by: AnakieNine on 25/09/2010 09:14:56 Originally by: F90OEX On a more serious note .... Limited API does not show Account info.... But i'll make another char and give 1 or 2 people access to it. Sounds great. I will be sure to add those 1 or 2 peoples names to a list of your alts. Seriously, if anything you said in this thread is even remotely true prove your statements. It is simple enough to do without giving away your isk making methods. How about create a character and submitting it to eveboard. Then we can see your wealth here. Remember however that you stated, "My assets are about 10 trillion+ tbh, Liquid Isk is a lot more." When Chribba rejects a job he doesn't says why. He basically does a copy paste reply and remains neutral. So if someone really wanted to use his name and not have him involved they only have to say, "Please chribba hold my 500b. But I need some collateral from you chribba as it is so much isk." You get the idea. Many people would think because he never said a bad thing, that it was just a personal reason. If it was me I would just show people the 10 trillion+ isk I had using chribbas site on a trade free character. Salvage some of your previous rep and move on.
Htrag The Carebear Stare Hydroponic Zone	Posted - 2010.09.25 11:16:00 - [132] Originally by: F90OEX Remember this is coming from a person who wrote a statement on your website that myself Loki and T'amber where ALL the same person I actually said that you run your operation with alts, like the ones in this thread saying they will buy in to your scam, and that it wouldn't surprise me if the only two people in Eve that support you were also your alts.
Htrag The Carebear Stare Hydroponic Zone	Posted - 2010.09.25 11:25:00 - [133] Originally by: RAW23 The only thing I don't have a problem with is the State Raven issue. If it was handed back, or offered back, to its original owner then the OP did the right thing, even if it was a bad idea from the perspective of third party neutrality. Just to be clear... Originally by: F90OEX As for Molle, he never saw 1 Isk from the whole thing since SFS decided to buy himself a nice Titan, Char and other shiny stuff and make a video
SFShootme The Carebear Stare Hydroponic Zone	Posted - 2010.09.25 12:13:00 - [134] Originally by: F90OEX Wow thats great, where you part of the convo when it took place ? On a more serious note .... Limited API does not show Account info.... But i'll make another char and give 1 or 2 people access to it. No, but I was. You were never in the position to take all 3 ships. That video is not mine but HT's but whatever. You were offered the opportunity for the full story with Chribba as a 3rd party, but never accepted. If you really are that rich then a 180b scam burning your reputation forever would have never occurred to you. I could dump a bunch of chat loggs here showing how full of ** you really are but looks like you have already digged a hole deep enough to not get out of. Originally by:** f90OEX [ 2009.08.30 05:21:04 ] F90OEX > after 6000+ sold .. burned out [ 2009.08.30 19:16:01 ] F90OEX > well this game is all about alts .. I only use 1 account since I dont care for alts and all that. Anyway just wanted to check into this thread to be part of f9 publicly burning himself.
SFShootme The Carebear Stare Hydroponic Zone	Posted - 2010.09.25 12:17:00 - [135] Yo f9, why don't you give me your API and i'll confirm whatever i see in your wallet.
F90OEX F9X WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.09.25 14:04:00 - [136] Edited by: F90OEX on 25/09/2010 14:10:47 Originally by: SFShootme Originally by: F90OEX Wow thats great, where you part of the convo when it took place ? On a more serious note .... Limited API does not show Account info.... But i'll make another char and give 1 or 2 people access to it. No, but I was. You were never in the position to take all 3 ships. That video is not mine but HT's but whatever. You were offered the opportunity for the full story with Chribba as a 3rd party, but never accepted. If you really are that rich then a 180b scam burning your reputation forever would have never occurred to you. I could dump a bunch of chat loggs here showing how full of ** you really are but looks like you have already digged a hole deep enough to not get out of. Originally by:** f90OEX [ 2009.08.30 05:21:04 ] F90OEX > after 6000+ sold .. burned out [ 2009.08.30 19:16:01 ] F90OEX > well this game is all about alts .. I only use 1 account since I dont care for alts and all that. Anyway just wanted to check into this thread to be part of f9 publicly burning himself. Right and that was true back then, it's no secret that I started a 2nd account for T'ambers lottos and other 3rd party dealings, to keep it separate from my own account. Also the other reason why it was set up was because during that time, I had to give my FULL API info to the programmer so that when ISK was sent to the char used, the website would show the correct amount of tickets sold. T'amber suggested that I start a 2nd account, and I did. Also If you look into my corp you will see there is 3 people in it, 3rd person in it is from my alt account since for the KB to auto update kills and losses full api was needed. + cyno alt Next.....
Noun Verber Gallente	Posted - 2010.09.25 15:56:00 - [137] Originally by: F90OEX Look NO ONE is REQUIRED / FORCED to send anything to me until the agreements that the investors require and I follow through with it. Till then they don't have to send me anything. Except that people are really, really stupid
F90OEX F9X WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.09.25 16:46:00 - [138] Originally by: Htrag Originally by: F90OEX Remember this is coming from a person who wrote a statement on your website that myself Loki and T'amber where ALL the same person I actually said that you run your operation with alts, like the ones in this thread saying they will buy in to your scam, and that it wouldn't surprise me if the only two people in Eve that support you were also your alts. No this is what you said..... AGAIN COMPLETELY WRONG. People even TOLD you ( from Old MC alliance) in the thread that they have been on TS with us and where different people. All baseless assumptions with no facts to back it up and again you have NO idea what your talking about ... And as for T'Amber, again you WHERE told this, he lives in NZ, I live in the US. "On the other hand, F90OEX, while being skilled at trade, missions, even PVP, runs his operation using alts. I know for a fact several pilots (Loki Farseer[disputed], Joe Hades, HerrFaul, Josh Tudyk, etc.) that are controlled by F90OEX, which engage in manipulation through deception to accomplish tasks. For example, he will multi account communicating via chat as if they were separate players, but you will never find more than one on voice comms. Hence, this, to me is a more dishonest playstyle than being -10. This is purely speculation but it wouldn't surprise me in the least if T'Amber is another F90OEX alt." It's get to the point, you don't want to even reply to a stupid posts like this.
Htrag The Carebear Stare Hydroponic Zone	Posted - 2010.09.25 16:52:00 - [139] Originally by: F90OEX Originally by: Htrag Originally by: F90OEX Remember this is coming from a person who wrote a statement on your website that myself Loki and T'amber where ALL the same person I actually said that you run your operation with alts, like the ones in this thread saying they will buy in to your scam, and that it wouldn't surprise me if the only two people in Eve that support you were also your alts. No this is what you said..... AGAIN COMPLETELY WRONG. People even TOLD you ( from Old MC alliance) in the thread that they have been on TS with us and where different people. All baseless assumptions with no facts to back it up and again you have NO idea what your talking about ... And as for T'Amber, again you WHERE told this, he lives in NZ, I live in the US. "On the other hand, F90OEX, while being skilled at trade, missions, even PVP, runs his operation using alts. I know for a fact several pilots (Loki Farseer[disputed], Joe Hades, HerrFaul, Josh Tudyk, etc.) that are controlled by F90OEX, which engage in manipulation through deception to accomplish tasks. For example, he will multi account communicating via chat as if they were separate players, but you will never find more than one on voice comms. Hence, this, to me is a more dishonest playstyle than being -10. This is purely speculation but it wouldn't surprise me in the least if T'Amber is another F90OEX alt." It's get to the point, you don't want to even reply to a stupid posts like this. Thanks for that. Looks like I was pretty much right.
F90OEX F9X WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.09.25 16:59:00 - [140] Originally by: Noun Verber Originally by: F90OEX Look NO ONE is REQUIRED / FORCED to send anything to me until the agreements that the investors require and I follow through with it. Till then they don't have to send me anything. Except that people are really, really stupid Indeed, but the big difference is I am not running off with peoples ISK, The bond will be run AS PROMISED and as AGREED. Since all the Isk has been collected IF it was a scam, I might as well come clean now. IF I do not pay starting the 27th of each month, I am sure you won't take long for a post to be made that I ran off with 500bil. As for the investors, of which one of them is a large alliance, there are more then welcome to post and I am sure in time they will, but considering its a heated thread and people are still ****ed off with BB running of with there ISK and other failures, might be a payment or 2 in before they do. Despite the thread been derailed/ trolled, there have been some good points made by some, who I feel actually want to help. If you have any suggestions, feedback or ideas, please send me a mail. I'm not going to keep replying to stupid posts like Htrag, that have NO interest in investing and just looking to troll, like many others. I have my work cut out for me, so next post I make will be when I have sent out interest payments. Anything else just send me a mail. Til the 27th
Htrag The Carebear Stare Hydroponic Zone	Posted - 2010.09.25 17:18:00 - [141] Get real buddy... u can't regrow your private part once its been chopped off by the guillotine.
RAW23	Posted - 2010.09.25 17:27:00 - [142] Edited by: RAW23 on 25/09/2010 17:28:24 Edited by: RAW23 on 25/09/2010 17:28:05 Originally by: F90OEX I have my work cut out for me, so next post I make will be when I have sent out interest payments. Anything else just send me a mail. Til the 27th Why bother publicly announcing the interest payments? You haven't got any public investors, by the look of things.
Smelly Bait	Posted - 2010.09.25 17:32:00 - [143] -He sais he has 10 trillion but wants 1.3 more? -For how much are u willing to trash your reputation? 1,3 trillion will do for me -10/10 scam alert
T'Amber Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.09.25 18:02:00 - [144] Talk about epic post. F9 has personally secured almost 1trillion isk of prizes from my events and of the tens of thousands of ships and prizes hes contracted to the hundreds of winners, not one has complained that anything was missing. Not only has he done this, but hes given me rare ships when I couldn't afford to buy them and billions of isk to spend on prizes when I've overspent on other things. Not once has he asked me to pay them back (although I have), and hes never asked for any profits (although there hasn't been much of them) or pay. Seeing as the bond has sold out, why don't you all sit back and see what happens. -T'amber [SoE:UTU] Win a rare ship for 10mil
LimitedEdition T'amber Gallente www.shipsofeve.com	Posted - 2010.09.25 18:13:00 - [145] I've still not read everything, but I can confirm that I am not F9 (Check the CSM member role for my real name and where I live) and that I did infact make F9 create a new account for API tracking of a lotto. This sub-forum does entertain though (when I can understand what you guys are talking about). -T'amber T'ambers alt with more than 10 people in corp. 300bil Eve Events Fund. need halp.
Htrag The Carebear Stare Hydroponic Zone	Posted - 2010.09.25 18:52:00 - [146] Originally by: LimitedEdition T'amber I've still not read everything, but I can confirm that I am not F9 (Check the CSM member role for my real name and where I live) and that I did infact make F9 create a new account for API tracking of a lotto. This sub-forum does entertain though (when I can understand what you guys are talking about). -T'amber Read more closely... noone thinks you're anything more than F900's butt buddy.
cosmoray Cosmoray Holdings Corp	Posted - 2010.09.25 19:20:00 - [147] A few points I would like to make: 1. F9X is a well known person and has been trustworthy for 3rd part transactions. 2. On a business level this bond doesn't make sense. F9 doesn't need the cash so he is effectively paying close to 170B to get an extra 500B for 3 months and that is awfully difficult to turn a profit on after financing costs. 3. Due to the wierd status of the bond and recent issues with BB, F9's status/reputation is taking a big hit here. 4. As a piece of advice I would suggest that F9 makes ammends to repair the damage hit, through a basic audit to prove cash reserve. 5. This offering doesn't look like it has too many customers, so I would advise listing them here. I am not saying I do not trust F9, but what I am saying that F9 should go through some measures to improve his credibility on this bond. The perception from this bond launch is bad, and even though the things are probably not going to happen, perception easily becomes reality and it will be difficult to work in the public domain with a bad cloud over you.
Htrag The Carebear Stare Hydroponic Zone	Posted - 2010.09.25 19:41:00 - [148] I swear people in this forum must be playing a different game besides Eve. F900 is obviously broke or trying to cash out. This scam could easily have been handled in a much more sophisticated way but the dude succumbed to greed and laziness.
mechtech SRS Industries SRS.	Posted - 2010.09.25 20:32:00 - [149] Still no word on the "5-10T isk" audit from Grendell? All you have to do is create a new character, press "send isk", and maybe contract over a pile of BPOs. If you want to fix your reputation, you should do this asap. If you are actually confirmed to have 5T+ isk, you'll pretty much immediately be seen as "eccentric rich guy" vs the current view of "almost definitely a scammer".
F90OEX F9X WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.09.25 20:54:00 - [150] Originally by: cosmoray A few points I would like to make: 1. F9X is a well known person and has been trustworthy for 3rd part transactions. 2. On a business level this bond doesn't make sense. F9 doesn't need the cash so he is effectively paying close to 170B to get an extra 500B for 3 months and that is awfully difficult to turn a profit on after financing costs. 3. Due to the wierd status of the bond and recent issues with BB, F9's status/reputation is taking a big hit here. 4. As a piece of advice I would suggest that F9 makes ammends to repair the damage hit, through a basic audit to prove cash reserve. 5. This offering doesn't look like it has too many customers, so I would advise listing them here. I am not saying I do not trust F9, but what I am saying that F9 should go through some measures to improve his credibility on this bond. The perception from this bond launch is bad, and even though the things are probably not going to happen, perception easily becomes reality and it will be difficult to work in the public domain with a bad cloud over you. All Good points cosmoray, I'd do what I stated above and what I WILL allow is You and some other respectable auditor on here, to either have Full API along with ( if needed) a char in the corp, so you can see what I have and how much and whatever else you want. I have NO problem in that what so ever.. I will work it out with you, just let me start making good and my promises and agreements and you will be able to see the interest been paid out etc... Htrag, I don't know why I even bother , IF I was in the position you state I am in, I could easily just sell the State Raven along with the Officer mods and get 300bil for it easy, I have had my fun with it, got some nice kills but I have no need to use it anymore. If I needed more ISK, I have a long list of nicely fitted ships, BPOs and some other crap. I have no interest in selling anything I own, CASH OUT ??? for what , is there something in game that I don't have, that interest's me ? Do tell. Again let's go over it for the 100th time, I have everything I want that interests me in game. I have no need or use for Titan's, Super caps etc.. if I did it can be easily built. In all honestly I don't spend a lot of time playing Eve anymore, it's not as exciting as it once was, kinda burned out. Hopefully CCP will add new exciting expansions over the next 1-2 Years but not holding out for that. I know you and your bum chum SFS are still mad and probably get told often WTF where you thinking, tbh I'd be MAD also... But you said it perfectly in your last line. SFS could of waited a few hrs before Chribba got online or even Darkness since there on every day, I mean given the time he spend in BOB and the effort he put into it, he could not wait a few more hrs, but guess what he succumbed to greed and laziness After all within the same week the tribal tempest was up on a lottery and then the other State Raven got sold to Mr Poker owner .. You don't see me doing the same and I have been offered more then what Sel paid for his. Anyways I will be in touch cosmoray or just send me a mail......
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2010.09.25 21:54:00 - [151] So what we've learnt from this thread is: a) F90's CNR business is a pathetic fantasy b) He's a trusted third party, apart from all the times where he'll just steal your items because he'll never be rich enough to buy them off the market c) He proudly claims that he doesn't "do" alts, apart from all the alts he has for shill bidding and faux-bumping c) this scam is about the level of charon = carbon
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.09.25 22:03:00 - [152] Quote: I'd do what I stated above and what I WILL allow is You and some other respectable auditor on here I suppose you know that around 27th of this month, a lot of auditing programs will stop working. Therefore if you want a verification it should be done before that date. No character in corp is needed, but: - Full API for a character holding the assets + wallet - Trade window to show BPOs as authentic and 100B+ ships as being in your personal control. If you are still up for the auditor thing, I am right here. - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
cosmoray Cosmoray Holdings Corp	Posted - 2010.09.25 22:34:00 - [153] I have never actually done an audit, and at present I am away from the game and I have zero time at present. My suggested auditors would be: Vaerah Vahrokh or Grendell (he offered). Both of those will not give any industrial secrets away, and will give an honest accounting. Give them a shout.
harsh jack	Posted - 2010.09.26 00:54:00 - [154] Originally by: AnakieNine Just show people the 10 trillion+ isk using chribbas site on a trade free character. Salvage some of your previous rep and move on. ^ This
Noun Verber Gallente	Posted - 2010.09.26 01:59:00 - [155] Originally by: cosmoray A few points I would like to make: 1. F9X is a well known person and has been trustworthy for 3rd part transactions. I see a problem right here. It has been raised multiple times that there is in fact a blemish on his record as a neutral 3rd party
Htrag The Carebear Stare Hydroponic Zone	Posted - 2010.09.26 04:57:00 - [156] Originally by: F90OEX Originally by: cosmoray A few points I would like to make: 1. F9X is a well known person and has been trustworthy for 3rd part transactions. 2. On a business level this bond doesn't make sense. F9 doesn't need the cash so he is effectively paying close to 170B to get an extra 500B for 3 months and that is awfully difficult to turn a profit on after financing costs. 3. Due to the wierd status of the bond and recent issues with BB, F9's status/reputation is taking a big hit here. 4. As a piece of advice I would suggest that F9 makes ammends to repair the damage hit, through a basic audit to prove cash reserve. 5. This offering doesn't look like it has too many customers, so I would advise listing them here. I am not saying I do not trust F9, but what I am saying that F9 should go through some measures to improve his credibility on this bond. The perception from this bond launch is bad, and even though the things are probably not going to happen, perception easily becomes reality and it will be difficult to work in the public domain with a bad cloud over you. All Good points cosmoray, I'd do what I stated above and what I WILL allow is You and some other respectable auditor on here, to either have Full API along with ( if needed) a char in the corp, so you can see what I have and how much and whatever else you want. I have NO problem in that what so ever.. I will work it out with you, just let me start making good and my promises and agreements and you will be able to see the interest been paid out etc... Htrag, I don't know why I even bother , IF I was in the position you state I am in, I could easily just sell the State Raven along with the Officer mods and get 300bil for it easy, I have had my fun with it, got some nice kills but I have no need to use it anymore. If I needed more ISK, I have a long list of nicely fitted ships, BPOs and some other crap. I have no interest in selling anything I own, CASH OUT ??? for what , is there something in game that I don't have, that interest's me ? Do tell. Again let's go over it for the 100th time, I have everything I want that interests me in game. I have no need or use for Titan's, Super caps etc.. if I did it can be easily built. In all honestly I don't spend a lot of time playing Eve anymore, it's not as exciting as it once was, kinda burned out. Hopefully CCP will add new exciting expansions over the next 1-2 Years but not holding out for that. I know you and your bum chum SFS are still mad and probably get told often WTF where you thinking, tbh I'd be MAD also... But you said it perfectly in your last line. SFS could of waited a few hrs before Chribba got online or even Darkness since there on every day, I mean given the time he spend in BOB and the effort he put into it, he could not wait a few more hrs, but guess what he succumbed to greed and laziness After all within the same week the tribal tempest was up on a lottery and then the other State Raven got sold to Mr Poker owner .. You don't see me doing the same and I have been offered more then what Sel paid for his. Anyways I will be in touch cosmoray or just send me a mail...... quoting before he edits this, no response.
Htrag The Carebear Stare Hydroponic Zone	Posted - 2010.09.26 05:21:00 - [157] Originally by: Gypsio III So what we've learnt from this thread is: a) F90's CNR business is a pathetic fantasy b) He's a trusted third party, apart from all the times where he'll just steal your items because he'll never be rich enough to buy them off the market c) He proudly claims that he doesn't "do" alts, apart from all the alts he has for shill bidding and faux-bumping c) this scam is about the level of charon = carbon Gypsio is a crazy scientist and although I dont understand the second c) it still makes me ****ing laugh.
SFShootme The Carebear Stare Hydroponic Zone	Posted - 2010.09.26 09:24:00 - [158] Just like you could've handed the thing over to Chribba and got the full story out of it, but guess what, i guess you succumbed to greed.... Or somethin? Stop pretending you have 500b in investments reeled in, stop pretending you have isk that you don't. You might wanna edit your OP because at the moment your just plain lying in there as well. Originally by: F90OEX Again the INTENTION will be to have it secured (I send the Isk to Chribba before I receive anything from you) If for whatever reason it is not I will not run it here. You could so easily proof you're not just reeling in isk by showing someone your ~trillions~. But you refrain from it, just like you refrained from showing the community your nothing more then a untrustworthy 3rd party. Mad? No, i thought it was ****ing hilarious.
Meathireland Reaction Theory Talos Coalition	Posted - 2010.09.26 12:48:00 - [159] I have talked to F90 a number of times in the past, where he has expressed his enthuasism for a venture such as this. Saying that, this bond does raise quite a few red flags in the way it has been dealt with, particularly as F90 has expressed a loss of enthuasism for the game. And where are the investors, will they come forward ? I know I received no response, when I expressed an interest. F90 seems like a smart guy I'd have thought he would have handled it better than this. I know F90 does have quite a few high end assets as I have recently seen the State Raven in his possession, but as to the levels claimed I'm not sure. Cosmo & VV have given a number of options to allay peoples fears. I can't suggest more than that, and besides I'm not a glorious member of the market elite anyway :)
Michela Bosun Shipyards	Posted - 2010.09.26 13:04:00 - [160] This thing, from the original post, has screamed of "scam". Nearly every statement has oozed of one scamming / bad debate technique or another. - Only allowing those who are already rich to join ... appealing to ego. - INTENDS to have it secured ... appeal to authority. - Unwilling to be audited except by certain people. - I don't have to do this, I'm just being nice. I could peruse the entire thread and get more. But, folks, seriously, if this doesn't scream "scam", nothing does. There's no debate here. F90 is probably just having fun seeing how long various people will continue to try to convince him otherwise.
Mishkaii	Posted - 2010.09.26 21:04:00 - [161] Originally by: SFShootme SFS talking about trust. Obvious troll is obvious, would lol again.
Estella Vance	Posted - 2010.09.26 22:53:00 - [162] I see this thread has greatly developed... in a way, that bugs this forum lurker to post again. OP's lost enthusiasm in game, claims of huge wealth, no audit, no real business plan (I'm smart, I know how to make isk out of thin air, and cnr markets), fleet of expensive ships in possession, floating through forums on a bubble of charisma and fame... Curzon Dax is back! (hey, you owe me some isk, you sneaky sweettalker). If not a scam (oh, my silly belief in humans...), this is at least a (very failed) rep grind attempt, because there are much better ways for charity, and helping people to "recoupe". What made quite a few people here to react, is that still unconfirmed bold claim about 20 tril.+ total wealth. To earn that amount of isk in eve, playing for 7 years, you have to earn on average 7.828 bil./day. Forget about nerfing missions, nerf whatever this guy is doing! Originally by: AnakieNine Just show people the 10 trillion+ isk using chribbas site on a trade free character. Salvage some of your previous rep and move on. I think it's the only real way, to save this thread from spiralling further down to the abyss of lol's, regardless if this fishy bond is real or not. To encourage OP, I will start. http://eveboard.com/pilot/Estella_Vance Easy way to show, that you have the claimed isk. C'mon, you will push Akita T down to 3rd place! Good luck to OP, and all the mysterious and wealthy ghost investors out there.
Nadarius Chrome Celestial Horizon Corp.	Posted - 2010.09.26 23:14:00 - [163] Epic, epic stuff. Maybe this is the psych study that those "university of Pheonix (sic)" students are always talking about in Jita. EG See how bad a scam you can make yet still attract ISK. It's a study into gullibility.
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six	Posted - 2010.09.27 03:00:00 - [164] It's funny because it's trivial to prove that you're wealthy, unless there is less truth to your previous words. Myself and many others would eat their own words if you would stop ****ing around and stop acting shady. Anything else is just, well, sad really. ______________________________
RAW23	Posted - 2010.09.27 11:10:00 - [165] I would love to see F900EX prove his wealth on eveboard. The site motto is: Quote: Tracking 685.70 billion SP and 18.06 trillion ISK in 21,887 pilots! Apparently F900 could increase the isk level by 50-100% singlehandedly!
SFShootme The Carebear Stare Hydroponic Zone	Posted - 2010.09.27 15:08:00 - [166] Originally by: Mishkaii Originally by: SFShootme SFS talking about trust. Obvious troll is obvious, would lol again. I don't ask for people to trust me, thats the difference.
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2010.09.27 15:49:00 - [167] Originally by: TheWrit F900EX , alliance ISK sent through my alt . Thanks for the opportunity and i look forward to future business with you . TheWrit. Bumping F90's previous threads - check and check. Dodgy grammar like Metallion1 - look for the spaces before commas, full stops and other exclamation marks, and use of the "o/" sign-off - check. Another F90 alt that he "doesn't care for" burnt - check.
RAW23	Posted - 2010.09.27 16:19:00 - [168] Originally by: Gypsio III Originally by: TheWrit F900EX , alliance ISK sent through my alt . Thanks for the opportunity and i look forward to future business with you . TheWrit. Bumping F90's previous threads - check and check. Dodgy grammar like Metallion1 - look for the spaces before commas, full stops and other exclamation marks, and use of the "o/" sign-off - check. Another F90 alt that he "doesn't care for" burnt - check. Conspiracy theory time! I had a look back over this thread and found that the space before a punctuation mark occurs at least 12 times in F9's posts here. Now to look again at a control group (i.e. all other posters in this thread).
SFShootme The Carebear Stare Hydroponic Zone	Posted - 2010.09.27 16:38:00 - [169] Edited by: SFShootme on 27/09/2010 16:40:54 Edited by: SFShootme on 27/09/2010 16:39:19 Originally by: Gypsio III Originally by: TheWrit F900EX , alliance ISK sent through my alt . Thanks for the opportunity and i look forward to future business with you . TheWrit. Bumping F90's previous threads - check and check. Dodgy grammar like Metallion1 - look for the spaces before commas, full stops and other exclamation marks, and use of the "o/" sign-off - check. Another F90 alt that he "doesn't care for" burnt - check. Lmao... Really, could this get any more obvious.... Not to mention that ~1000 cnr batch offc went to another person we shall never know. f9 your full of **** man, haha.
RAW23	Posted - 2010.09.27 17:14:00 - [170] Eve search stats are quite interesting. TheWrit Metallion1 In addition to the identical posting styles and the surprising proportion of their small number of posts that are in F900's threads, they both have a large proportion of their posts as thread OPs (6 out of 54 for Metallion, 10 out of 21 for TheWrit), which in the latter case at least might appear to be padding their post counts. Most interestingly, they each made their first posts 4 days apart and 2 months after F900's first post (and his early posts also include a lot of spaces before punctuation marks). Very interesting ...
F90OEX F9X WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.09.27 17:26:00 - [171] Originally by: SFShootme Edited by: SFShootme on 27/09/2010 16:40:54 Edited by: SFShootme on 27/09/2010 16:39:19 Originally by: Gypsio III Originally by: TheWrit F900EX , alliance ISK sent through my alt . Thanks for the opportunity and i look forward to future business with you . TheWrit. Bumping F90's previous threads - check and check. Dodgy grammar like Metallion1 - look for the spaces before commas, full stops and other exclamation marks, and use of the "o/" sign-off - check. Another F90 alt that he "doesn't care for" burnt - check. Lmao... Really, could this get any more obvious.... Not to mention that ~1000 cnr batch offc went to another person we shall never know. f9 your full of ** man, haha. Between my 2 accounts, none of them are my alts, nor have I used any of my alt's in this thread or any other linked. SFS keep posting, just shows me a year later your still **ed off, week after I had the State Raven you where looking to gank me in Jita now this... Regardless of what you say it does not change anything with the deal.
SFShootme The Carebear Stare Hydroponic Zone	Posted - 2010.09.27 17:37:00 - [172] Edited by: SFShootme on 27/09/2010 17:41:54 Don't flatter yourself, testing out my new Navy Mega with Slaveset is something you do at jita 4-4 playing docking games. The fact that you where there was nothing more then a coincidence. Not to mention you showed up after I started doeing it. A gank is more then 1 people fyi, pretty sure I was alone. If i wanted to kill you I would've done it with more then 1 and definatly not on the undock ramp of 4-4. ****ed off? Nah, just want to be part of this absolute hilarity. Please dun stop.
mechtech SRS Industries SRS.	Posted - 2010.09.27 18:28:00 - [173] The alts use the same weird grammar, that's gold . Seriously F900, hurry up and post 5-10T isk or so to eve-board, what's the hold up?
Estel Arador	Posted - 2010.09.27 19:56:00 - [174] So has F90OEX contacted Grendell? Free universal jumpclone service: 10.000 users!
Dana Gilmour	Posted - 2010.09.27 20:21:00 - [175] Stop beating the poor horse. He's dead already for quite a long time now.
Grendell Technologies Unlimited	Posted - 2010.09.27 20:28:00 - [176] Edited by: Grendell on 27/09/2010 20:28:26 Originally by: Estel Arador So has F90OEX contacted Grendell? Just to clarify a few things. I have not been contacted by F9 regarding my offer to secure or audit this offering. Given the amount negative press surrounding this offering, I'm not entirely sure I want to either. I wish F9 and his investors the best of luck. Grendell ♥
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six	Posted - 2010.09.27 21:28:00 - [177] Originally by: SFShootme Edited by: SFShootme on 27/09/2010 17:46:44 Don't flatter yourself, testing out my new Navy Mega with Slaveset is something you do at jita 4-4 playing docking games. The fact that you where there was nothing more then a coincidence. Not to mention you showed up after I started doeing it. A gank is more then 1 people fyi, pretty sure I was alone. If i wanted to kill you I would've done it with more then 1 and definatly not on the undock ramp of 4-4. **ed off? Nah, just want to be part of this absolute hilarity. The more we hit this Pi±ata the more ** comes out, haha. I probably wouldn't have been too sad in your place either, considering you got a decent enough pile of ISK from me when I bought the two remaining ships. =D ______________________________
SFShootme The Carebear Stare Hydroponic Zone	Posted - 2010.09.27 21:36:00 - [178] Originally by: Selene D'Celeste Originally by: SFShootme Edited by: SFShootme on 27/09/2010 17:46:44 Don't flatter yourself, testing out my new Navy Mega with Slaveset is something you do at jita 4-4 playing docking games. The fact that you where there was nothing more then a coincidence. Not to mention you showed up after I started doeing it. A gank is more then 1 people fyi, pretty sure I was alone. If i wanted to kill you I would've done it with more then 1 and definatly not on the undock ramp of 4-4. **ed off? Nah, just want to be part of this absolute hilarity. The more we hit this Pi±ata the more ** comes out, haha. I probably wouldn't have been too sad in your place either, considering you got a decent enough pile of ISK from me when I bought the two remaining ships. =D I can confirm i'm still sitting on a very very nice amount of isk here. It has even become more then originally
SFShootme The Carebear Stare Hydroponic Zone	Posted - 2010.09.27 21:52:00 - [179] I forgot to mention I totally control the Gila market now. I will be selling 500 of them in a batch to very soon, but i will only accept in game bids. I sold over 1000 of them already but my contract history is bugged which is normal for characters with allot of contract history. I was thinking about creating a bond as well to ~give back to the community~. The intention will off course be to have it secured. You know, to help people out. Whatya guys think?
Imperator Principes Minmatar SSGS Marketing and Analysis	Posted - 2010.09.27 21:54:00 - [180] Originally by: SFShootme I forgot to mention I totally control the Gila market now. I will be selling 500 of them in a batch to very soon, but i will only accept in game bids. I sold over 1000 of them already but my contract history is bugged which is normal for characters with allot of contract history. I was thinking about creating a bond as well to ~give back to the community~. The intention will off course be to have it secured. You know, to help people out. Whatya guys think? In for 2 waffles.
Niedar Genos Occidere	Posted - 2010.09.27 22:06:00 - [181] hahahahaha this thread made me laugh. Scam more state ravens if you need isk that badly instead.
Nadarius Chrome Celestial Horizon Corp.	Posted - 2010.09.27 22:14:00 - [182] Originally by: Grendell I wish F9 and his "investors" the best of luck. Fixed that for you.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.09.27 22:33:00 - [183] Quote: Just to clarify a few things. I have not been contacted by F9 regarding my offer to secure or audit this offering Same. - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Alice Celadon	Posted - 2010.09.27 22:40:00 - [184] In case anyone new to this forum misunderstands the big MD investors when they say "certainly has created a lot of bad press" and "seems a bit odd/suspicious" let me clarify: they're only hedging against the 2% chance that this isn't a scam. Don't give F9 even one isk.
F90OEX F9X WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.09.27 23:27:00 - [185] Edited by: F90OEX on 27/09/2010 23:28:35 Originally by: Alice Celadon In case anyone new to this forum misunderstands the big MD investors when they say "certainly has created a lot of bad press" and "seems a bit odd/suspicious" let me clarify: they're only hedging against the 2% chance that this isn't a scam. Don't give F9 even one isk. The "bad press" as you like to call it, has nothing to do with me, since I have never created a bond/share offering in the past and run of with investors ISK from this forum. If it's a scam, I could of cashed out along time ago and not having to read 7 pages of what some people don't know what there talking about, still mad they got burned from bad investments. As for Grendell, If I had of read what he wrote in another topic last week, I would of not made a post as this thread is a good example of what he was talking about. And for that reason I am not going to discuss it here. Other then to say I did talk to the investors about using his services. When the time is right cosmoray is still welcome to be given the API info and as for Vaerah Vahrokha, I will consider him, but do not know too much about this person. Troll on ....
Imperator Principes Minmatar SSGS Marketing and Analysis	Posted - 2010.09.27 23:40:00 - [186] Originally by: F90OEX Edited by: F90OEX on 27/09/2010 23:28:35 Originally by: Alice Celadon In case anyone new to this forum misunderstands the big MD investors when they say "certainly has created a lot of bad press" and "seems a bit odd/suspicious" let me clarify: they're only hedging against the 2% chance that this isn't a scam. Don't give F9 even one isk. The "bad press" as you like to call it, has nothing to do with me, since I have never created a bond/share offering in the past and run of with investors ISK from this forum. If it's a scam, I could of cashed out along time ago and not having to read 7 pages of what some people don't know what there talking about, still mad they got burned from bad investments. As for Grendell, If I had of read what he wrote in another topic last week, I would of not made a post as this thread is a good example of what he was talking about. And for that reason I am not going to discuss it here. Other then to say I did talk to the investors about using his services. When the time is right cosmoray is still welcome to be given the API info and as for Vaerah Vahrokha, I will consider him, but do not know too much about this person. Troll on .... It wouldn't really take much effort for you to prove what you say and yet though every opportunity has been presented to you to secure the loan and verify your claims, you outright refuse to do so. Asking for an audit isn't a troll. It's standard procedure. This was one of the most poorly constructed bonds I have ever seen. If you were even half serious, you would've had third party services and audits done BEFORE you posted a Prospectus.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.09.27 23:40:00 - [187] Originally by: F90OEX When the time is right cosmoray is still welcome to be given the API info and as for Vaerah Vahrokha, I will consider him, but do not know too much about this person. I am a (actually the one ) active auditor. I have done audits and 3rd party collateral holding both on MD and privately for some in-alliance bonds. The former are all public and easily found for reference with a bit of eve-searching or even Googleing. - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Lecherito	Posted - 2010.09.27 23:43:00 - [188] Originally by: F90OEX Edited by: F90OEX on 23/09/2010 23:04:19 Edited by: F90OEX on 19/09/2010 22:10:40 Edited by: F90OEX on 17/09/2010 18:04:08 Send Isk to F9X corp Short version - - 50 Bonds Issued - Total bond offered here is 30. - 10 Bil per bond - Time frame 3 months - Interest 10% paid every 30days Rest just old info since interest rate have been decided I personally will not be looking to making anything from it. It will only offer it 1 or 2 times. Reason why I offer is that over the best part of 3 years many people have offered investment Isk to my trading's, this is since I made more then what I expected, and because I was able to control the market I know inside out, I never required it. I always said I would run something but just never got around to do it, in the light of some mails I have received from people who got burned with BBs bond and are looking to "recoupe" some of there losses with out having to worry, I have decided to offer it, to help people out. My profit margins are very big, and again the intention of this bond is to make people good rate of return on there ISK. Only cost would be whatever Chribba charges. Again the INTENTION will be to have it secured (I send the Isk to Chribba before I receive anything from you) If for whatever reason it is not I will not run it here. Again my question is what is considered a respectable/attractive % rate to offer based on the above. I'm sure I'm not alone when I say get the F off our forums. You are done here. -L
Dana Gilmour	Posted - 2010.09.27 23:55:00 - [189] Edited by: Dana Gilmour on 27/09/2010 23:55:24 Originally by: F90OEX If it's a scam, I could of cashed out along time ago and not having to read 7 pages of what some people don't know what there talking about, still mad they got burned from bad investments. Clearly, except for the small fact that having alts as investors don't make cashing out so profitable. Just in case you like scamming yourself, could be fun. On the same note, we'll be expecting a new 5T bond 3 months from now based on the fact that your 'investors' from this one will be payed in full and all will work great.
Lanais Suleia	Posted - 2010.09.28 00:02:00 - [190] Originally by: F90OEX Edited by: F90OEX on 27/09/2010 23:28:35 If it's a scam, I could of cashed out along time ago and not having to read 7 pages of what some people don't know what there talking about, still mad they got burned from bad investments. I'm not sure scamming your own alts would net you much ISK, and since they're the only ones who have committed any isk, you have plenty of reasons to drag this on a bit longer. Maybe someone, anyone, fails to read the rest of the thread and sends some money. Originally by: F90OEX Troll on .... Gladly.
F90OEX F9X WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.09.28 00:03:00 - [191] Reported ... You want to make personal attacks and insults then take it somewhere else. Anyone else it will get reported also. Dana if your so sure there my alt's why don't you put your ISK up as a bet, or anyone else for that matter. Again with the 2 accounts I have NONE of my alts have been used here. I don't care what you think.
Imperator Principes Minmatar SSGS Marketing and Analysis	Posted - 2010.09.28 00:08:00 - [192] Originally by: F90OEX Reported ... You want to make personal attacks and insults then take it somewhere else. Anyone else it will get reported also. Dana if your so sure there my alt's why don't you put your ISK up as a bet, or anyone else for that matter. Again with the 2 accounts I have NONE of my alts have been used here. I don't care what you think. Then prove your claims and shut us up please.
Phoebe Halliwel	Posted - 2010.09.28 00:12:00 - [193] F9 - not a troll here, but assuming you intend to honour this offering, what's your motivation? If you're a bit burned out and have ISK you'd like to pass on, why not pass it to T'Amber for an SOE event? Why attempt to give away ISK to investors in MD when they don't appear to appreciate the effort. Chances are an SOE event would actually pass ISK to people who would. Quote: Again the INTENTION will be to have it secured (I send the Isk to Chribba before I receive anything from you) If for whatever reason it is not I will not run it here. If this isn't secured why are you going ahead with it when you stated in your OP that you would not?
Alice Celadon	Posted - 2010.09.28 00:19:00 - [194] Originally by: F90OEX Reported ... You want to make personal attacks and insults then take it somewhere else. Anyone else it will get reported also. Dana if your so sure there my alt's why don't you put your ISK up as a bet, or anyone else for that matter. Again with the 2 accounts I have NONE of my alts have been used here. I don't care what you think. Reported ... Forum rules 4. and 20. specify that civil discourse shall prevail in the forums. Negative feedback which cites specific examples and situations shall not be misconstrued as trolling or flaming. Sorry F9, you don't get to bully your way out of this atrocious bond.
satane Amarr The Contracteere	Posted - 2010.09.28 00:23:00 - [195] wow so much hate towards f9, even if he is trying to scam which i very much doubt just too much hate, maybe his isk is all tied up at the moment, maybe he just trying to get his foot in the door and broaden his game experience i dont know, but i do no that thousand and thousand of CNR has passed through his hands along with many other items, People need to lighten up on these forums and stop being the dogs *******s of MD all i see when i see someone invest is all negative and you bring people down in every way, for the loans and offering to start up again people need to start putting there trust in people again and if you get scammed then you get scammed ITS ONLY VIRTUE MONEY! f9 wish you luck in youre bond, -sat - Sat The Contracteere'
Dana Gilmour	Posted - 2010.09.28 00:31:00 - [196] Edited by: Dana Gilmour on 28/09/2010 00:35:54 Edited by: Dana Gilmour on 28/09/2010 00:35:29 Originally by: Phoebe Halliwel If this isn't secured why are you going ahead with it when you stated in your OP that you would not? The plan was the bond not to be secured, of course. He ignored this question 20 times already. The fact that "secured by Chribba" appear in the initial post might attract some poor souls to just send the money without reading/checking too much. Originally by: F90OEX Dana if your so sure there my alt's why don't you put your ISK up as a bet, or anyone else for that matter. Again with the 2 accounts I have NONE of my alts have been used here. I don't care what you think. Yep, there's a special internal rule of CCP that sounds like that: "The great F900EX shall be forever limited to a maximum of TWO accounts because his awesomeness and skill are so fantastic that, if permitted to have 3 or more accounts, he'll just take over the game and conquer all New Eden"
Krythas	Posted - 2010.09.28 01:30:00 - [197] Originally by: satane wow so much hate towards f9, even if he is trying to scam which i very much doubt just too much hate, When people lie it tends to bring a lot of negativity to the table. Have you even read this entire thread or did you just jump in at the end of it when people have been calling him out on his quite blatant lies ? (also note: people have told him ways in which he can validate his claims, but apparently people like VV are not respectable enough for him ??) Originally by: satane maybe his isk is all tied up at the moment, maybe he just trying to get his foot in the door and broaden his game experience i dont know, but i do no that thousand and thousand of CNR has passed through his hands along with many other items, Citation Please. He has been told ways in which he can indemnify himself. He has chosen not to yet still makes outrageous claims. If he wants people to shut up the path is clear to him. As for his ISK being tied up - you obviously didn't read to the part where he claimed to have many times this bond amount in liquid ISK (in excess of 10T+ I believe the quote was - posts 10 and 13, on the first page..) Originally by: satane People need to lighten up on these forums and stop being the dogs *******s of MD all i see when i see someone invest is all negative and you bring people down in every way, for the loans and offering to start up again people need to start putting there trust in people again and if you get scammed then you get scammed ITS ONLY VIRTUE MONEY! No. People should never trust each other in a game where scamming has no repercussions. People that want loans should start finding ways to mitigate the risks associated with scamming. It is not up to the potential investors to do this. If you present a loan or bond that falls sadly short then you can expect to be told where your plan falls short, and generally, as people dislike saying the same thing over and over, you can expect to be told in words that wont make you feel all fluffy and warm inside. When people DO come here with a presentable business plan and show they have done some homework and appear to be forthcoming with information they don't generally get flamed at all. Sadly, this is rare.
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six	Posted - 2010.09.28 01:43:00 - [198] In all of the history of MD, practically the only time investees haven't answered those looking into their validity in such a manner, it was because they had something to hide. I doubt you're the exception to the rule. There's nothing personal behind these or other criticisms. It's simply very easy for you to prove legitimacy, and yet you resist. Why? Between these actions, your various exaggerations about wealth, the state raven fiasco, and the probably fake investors here, I don't see how you have any credibility left unless you put your money where your mouth is. Things already look pretty bad. At worst you're a poor attempt at a thief. At best you're an expert at inadvertently looking shady as hell. You might want to take some advice and try to fix that. ______________________________
Inogee	Posted - 2010.09.28 02:21:00 - [199] Originally by: F90OEX Edited by: F90OEX on 27/09/2010 23:28:35 When the time is right cosmoray is still welcome to be given the API info and as for Vaerah Vahrokha, I will consider him, but do not know too much about this person. He tells us the bond is full. See thread title. That's 500b... yeah right. He also says No one has pulled out. So if the time wasn't right before now the time never will be. We will not see any verification of 10 trillion in isk. We are getting trolled. I suggest everyone stop catering to F9.
F90OEX F9X WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.09.28 02:26:00 - [200] Originally by: Phoebe Halliwel F9 - not a troll here, but assuming you intend to honour this offering, what's your motivation? If you're a bit burned out and have ISK you'd like to pass on, why not pass it to T'Amber for an SOE event? Why attempt to give away ISK to investors in MD when they don't appear to appreciate the effort. Chances are an SOE event would actually pass ISK to people who would. Quote: Again the INTENTION will be to have it secured (I send the Isk to Chribba before I receive anything from you) If for whatever reason it is not I will not run it here. If this isn't secured why are you going ahead with it when you stated in your OP that you would not? What was the motivation ? Well it was a long time coming, all started from the ship channel when I was selling CNRs, at that time I was getting 50+ per week, people wanted to do what I was doing since it was a easy profit earner. Over the months while the orders where getting bigger and slowly but surely I was gaining control over the market, I stopped selling them to reseller traders. But in return I always promised I would run a bond or some kinda offer that If they invested they could make a sizeable profit. I would get mails asking when I was going to run it I always put if off just simply it requires some time and because the 3rd party dealings was keeping me busy, I did not really have the time. I was not going to run it til the end of the year, but some of those regular traders who used to be in the ship channel, invested into BBs titan deal, got burned and because of how the general trading is not as profitable as it once was, and some of the of traders have always been good people in my eyes, I wanted to help them out and recover some of there losses. As mentioned, I have never run anything like this before, and will admit might have gone the wrong way about it, but regardless the intention of helping people out like I have done many times stands. As you can see no one ever mentions anything good I have done, and I have done a lot of good in helping people out and not asked for anything back, I have handled 2 trillion+ (ruff est) in 3rd party dealings and given Isk/ships, I have lent ISK out and charged very little, list goes on and one. Like I said might have not gone the right way about it, but regardless of what people say or think, it's not to scam them. As for T'amber, I have always helped out him and atm he is getting ready for some interesting lottos, since the ISK required has to come from somewhere ( mostly me ), but I know he is trying some other options too. Hope that answers your questions

CCP Jericho	Posted - 2010.09.28 02:29:00 - [201] A few trolling posts modified.

Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six	Posted - 2010.09.28 02:45:00 - [202] Originally by: F90OEX Like I said might have not gone the right way about it, but regardless of what people say or think, it's not to scam them. So why do you resist proving the naysayers wrong? Originally by: F90OEX As for T'amber, I have always helped out him and atm he is getting ready for some interesting lottos, since the ISK required has to come from somewhere ( mostly me ), but I know he is trying some other options too. To my understanding the costs for SoE are mostly covered by the lottery tickets themselves, augmented by T'Amber's personal ISK with a small additional kick coming from sponsors (like EOH), and your role was to pay out in case he scams. Have you actually been donating substantial amounts of ISK to the lotteries? I talk to T'Amber a bit and generally support his endeavors (even if he's bat** crazy half the time, which is partly why his is fun and it works), and I am wondering if I am mistaken as to the funding model? Especially since he's tried very hard to fund some of his events but struggles due to lack of funds ... Apologies in advance to T'Amber if I am completely misremembering/misinterpreting how ** works =P ______________________________
Inogee	Posted - 2010.09.28 02:59:00 - [203] F9's word is his honour and unquestionable. Originally by: F90OEX Edited by: F90OEX on 23/09/2010 23:04:19 Edited by: F90OEX on 19/09/2010 22:10:40 Edited by: F90OEX on 17/09/2010 18:04:08 Again the INTENTION will be to have it secured (I send the Isk to Chribba before I receive anything from you) If for whatever reason it is not I will not run it here. Its still running... Let the thread die please.
F90OEX F9X WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.09.28 03:16:00 - [204] Originally by: Selene D'Celeste Originally by: F90OEX Like I said might have not gone the right way about it, but regardless of what people say or think, it's not to scam them. So why do you resist proving the naysayers wrong? Originally by: F90OEX As for T'amber, I have always helped out him and atm he is getting ready for some interesting lottos, since the ISK required has to come from somewhere ( mostly me ), but I know he is trying some other options too. To my understanding the costs for SoE are mostly covered by the lottery tickets themselves, augmented by T'Amber's personal ISK with a small additional kick coming from sponsors (like EOH), and your role was to pay out in case he scams. Have you actually been donating substantial amounts of ISK to the lotteries? I talk to T'Amber a bit and generally support his endeavors (even if he's bat** crazy half the time, which is partly why his is fun and it works), and I am wondering if I am mistaken as to the funding model? Especially since he's tried very hard to fund some of his events but struggles due to lack of funds ... Apologies in advance to T'Amber if I am completely misremembering/misinterpreting how ** works =P This is just an example and please ask him yourself :) http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1265069 All mods where bought by me, after T'amber was offered them in a bulk deal, ships where separate, but If i remember correctly I also gave him the Isk to buy them. I never made anything of them, all I asked him to do was repay me what I bought them for. Same with the GV and Mimir, I only bought them for T'ambers Lottos. Since no one else would help him out and buy something not to make anything from it.
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six	Posted - 2010.09.28 03:27:00 - [205] Originally by: F90OEX Same with the GV and Mimir, I only bought them for T'ambers Lottos. Since no one else would help him out and buy something not to make anything from it. That makes sense. That is actually quite nice =) ______________________________
Dzil Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve OWN Alliance	Posted - 2010.09.28 04:47:00 - [206] Why is it on 9-20 Chribba declined to hold collateral, but on 9-23 you edit your OP and neglect to modify the statement regarding seeking to secure it with Chribba? Clearly you had the opportunity to correct what to me appears to be abusing Chribba's name/reputation for a bond not connected to him whatsoever. Reminds me of a certain bank... Retired from corp sales. Time to spend some of this on pretty explosions :)
Lucyna Interstellar Killer Bee Enterprises	Posted - 2010.09.28 05:02:00 - [207] Originally by: Dzil Why is it on 9-20 Chribba declined to hold collateral, but on 9-23 you edit your OP and neglect to modify the statement regarding seeking to secure it with Chribba? Clearly you had the opportunity to correct what to me appears to be abusing Chribba's name/reputation for a bond not connected to him whatsoever. Reminds me of a certain bank... dummm dumm DUUUUUUUUUMMMMMMMMMM _________ Eve - for when I'm not playing minecraft ;)
SFShootme The Carebear Stare Hydroponic Zone	Posted - 2010.09.28 11:00:00 - [208] Originally by: Selene D'Celeste Originally by: F90OEX Same with the GV and Mimir, I only bought them for T'ambers Lottos. Since no one else would help him out and buy something not to make anything from it. That makes sense. That is actually quite nice =) So that tells us he has maybe... 50b. Heck, even I have more isk then that. f9 nevah stop believin!
Nathan Jameson	Posted - 2010.09.28 11:34:00 - [209] Originally by: SFShootme f9 nevah stop believin! Just a small town girl...living in a looonely wooorld...
Machete Visor	Posted - 2010.09.28 11:41:00 - [210] Originally by: F90OEX Hope that answers your questions Let me help you out by putting the questions in one post and easy to read: 1) Why no audit? 2) Why no Chribba / Grendell? 3) Why not give ISK away? ISK incoming < ISK already in wallet. I think if you answered those three questions directly, you'd get some smidgeon of your reputation back... and then could talk about all the good you've done.
Estel Arador	Posted - 2010.09.28 11:50:00 - [211] Originally by: SFShootme So that tells us he has maybe... 50b. You mean 'had'. Who knows what's left after that. Free universal jumpclone service: 10.000 users!
Roguehalo Caldari Resonance Laboratories	Posted - 2010.09.28 13:37:00 - [212] Edited by: Roguehalo on 28/09/2010 13:40:39 Quote :- "Well it was a long time coming, all started from the ship channel when I was selling CNRs, at that time I was getting 50+ per week, people wanted to do what I was doing since it was a easy profit earner. Over the months while the orders where getting bigger and slowly but surely I was gaining control over the market, I stopped selling them to reseller traders. But in return I always promised I would run a bond or some kinda offer that If they invested they could make a sizeable profit." Didn't we calculate that you would have needed to sell 60+ cnrs per DAY.........every SINGLE day for 3 years to have made 3 trillion. I was there remember....selling lots of cnrs myself and I know how many were being sold. Ofc when I made my previous post I hadn't seen your thread where you claimed to be worth 20 trillion. It really is amazing that every single player in Eve doesn't have a row of shiny cnrs parked in their hangar. Insofar as your nick is supposed to be the call sign of your real life plane I'm even beginning to wonder if that is true now and even if you are actually a real life pilot. You seem to have this incredible capacity for shooting yourself in the foot every time you open your mouth.
F90OEX F9X WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.09.28 17:52:00 - [213] Originally by: Roguehalo Edited by: Roguehalo on 28/09/2010 13:40:39 Didn't we calculate that you would have needed to sell 60+ cnrs per DAY.........every SINGLE day for 3 years to have made 3 trillion. I was there remember....selling lots of cnrs myself and I know how many were being sold. I started in 2006, when did you start trading late 2009 ? and for how long ? 3 months, since If I remember correctly you got burned/washed out since you where often complaining. When you started there where several well known traders in that channel who where already getting a few hundred CNRs per month directly from me. After you where long gone and the CNR farmers where no longer around thanks to CCP, guess who was still supplying CNRs to the same traders.. Again you don't know what your talking about, you where NEVER in on the deal and the agreements made nor had anything to do with them. And any smart trader never puts all his deals in one basket, sure CNRs where my main ISK maker but I had other things going on that made nice amounts of profits T2 BPOs is just one example. Again I have said it time and time again the CNR story is a long interesting one, one paragraph won't explain 4 years of the amount of crazy things that happened. Lots of good people who where around have either quit and just gave up on Eve and moved on. Now I just look silly explaining it to people. Roguehalo other then complain what have you done to help people out in Eve, I'd love to hear it... And with that I am done, between the personal attacks and emails, totally unnecessary and uncalled for. I'm sure even Bad bobby and E-bank never got it this bad. I don't care what people think, again any promises or agreements I have made, I will made good on them. Signing out ..
Missus Malaprop	Posted - 2010.09.28 18:04:00 - [214] I sent you 900b and all I got was this lousy t-shirt.
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.09.28 19:03:00 - [215] Does anyone actually know what this thread is about? This clown comes into my MD asking questions about returns, gets an answer and then proceeds to launch a bond for way less then initially advertised with returns in excess of all the previous scams and failures we've seen. No one invests, the bond is advertised as full and despite numerous claims to the otherwise previously mentioned clown continues to post. You've shat for god's sake, get off the effin pot. AND LEAVE MY MD! Word. Follow My EBANK Chatter
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.09.28 21:06:00 - [216] lawl
mechtech SRS Industries SRS.	Posted - 2010.09.28 21:54:00 - [217] Edited by: mechtech on 28/09/2010 21:54:50 F90O, prove your net worth by posting on eveboard, and get an audit by showing some assets to an auditor through an alt. Stop posting until you do this, you're just ***ing people off with your ridiculous posts. CNRs and T2 BPOs can't make you "5-10 Trillion isk". If you started in '06, it would have been '07 before you were in the T2 BPO market, and you would never have had the RP to win any big lotteries. The T2 BPO market was already winding down in '07 and pretty played out by '08. If you were constantly reinvesting in your magical CNR business then, you really wouldn't have been a big T2 BPO player. Also, I never* saw you on T2 BPO auctions. I used to love to watch them in '05 and '06 just to see how much isk people had to spend.
Gunner Cid The Carebear Stare	Posted - 2010.09.28 22:53:00 - [218] This thread continues to provide amusement, personally I am just waiting for the first payout post and then alt confirmation etc then leading towards a successful completion post. I think you have learned a valuable lesson here for your future attempts, you seem like an intelligent enough guy to make the needed corrections and invest enough time to develop a good "bond running" rep so that you can truly sucker in some people. Best of luck in your future "bonds", I think you will probably need to do 2-3 more of these short term "bonds" before you can really make off with whatever you're after.
Lecherito	Posted - 2010.09.29 00:27:00 - [219] Originally by: F90OEX Originally by: Roguehalo Edited by: Roguehalo on 28/09/2010 13:40:39 Didn't we calculate that you would have needed to sell 60+ cnrs per DAY.........every SINGLE day for 3 years to have made 3 trillion. I was there remember....selling lots of cnrs myself and I know how many were being sold. I started in 2006, when did you start trading late 2009 ? and for how long ? 3 months, since If I remember correctly you got burned/washed out since you where often complaining. When you started there where several well known traders in that channel who where already getting a few hundred CNRs per month directly from me. After you where long gone and the CNR farmers where no longer around thanks to CCP, guess who was still supplying CNRs to the same traders.. Again you don't know what your talking about, you where NEVER in on the deal and the agreements made nor had anything to do with them. And any smart trader never puts all his deals in one basket, sure CNRs where my main ISK maker but I had other things going on that made nice amounts of profits T2 BPOs is just one example. Again I have said it time and time again the CNR story is a long interesting one, one paragraph won't explain 4 years of the amount of crazy things that happened. Lots of good people who where around have either quit and just gave up on Eve and moved on. Now I just look silly explaining it to people. Roguehalo other then complain what have you done to help people out in Eve, I'd love to hear it... And with that I am done, between the personal attacks and emails, totally unnecessary and uncalled for. I'm sure even Bad bobby and E-bank never got it this bad. I don't care what people think, again any promises or agreements I have made, I will made good on them. Signing out .. I simply cannot believe that such a poor writer is as rich as you claim to be. So I won't. -L
Phoebe Halliwel	Posted - 2010.09.29 00:32:00 - [220] Originally by: Lecherito I simply cannot believe that such a poor writer is as rich as you claim to be. So I won't. L I don't see you on eve board broadcasting your squillions. I don't see you on eve board at all in fact. Why is that?
Jovialmadness	Posted - 2010.09.29 02:19:00 - [221] This is not meant as a troll even though i am guilty of it rarely F90 you are trying entirely too hard to prove you so desperately want to help people. This alone is throwing flags up bro. I would have thrown my hands up a super long time ago after all this had reared its ugly head. I am fairly sure that something is brewing at this point.
Gabriel Virtus hirr	Posted - 2010.09.29 02:21:00 - [222] This has to be a joke, right?
Alice Celadon	Posted - 2010.09.29 03:10:00 - [223] This is not a joke. The problem is that it is merely the cursory outline of previous successful MD scams. It lacks the extra oomph that brought the other scams to the finish line. 1. Ricdic was surrounded by competent, honest people who actually were trying to make EBank succeed and assumed the same of him. 2. Curzon Dax had EVE goodwill eclipsing all reason from his karaoke schtick: if you go back to the original thread you will see players throwing in their money with the line "I don't care if this is a scam, because Curzon makes me LOL." 3. Bad Bobby ran a very tight ship. He had on-time and reliable investment payouts for over two years without a single disgruntled investor before scamming. *Warning, wall of text outlining the F9 story follows* 4. F9O0EX has employed a multi-pronged PR strategy. Anyone who's been reading these boards as long as I have will remember a significant thread, in which someone once asked (was it Darkness?) "I want to be a trusted third party. How do I make that happen?" The responses can be summarized: 1. Have so much isk that you have little reason to scam. 2. Be a very well-known name. 3. Have a history of successfully completed transactions. 4. Have so much isk that you have little reason to scam. 5. Have so much isk that you have little reason to scam. Let's summarize F9: 1. History trading officer mods and CNR ... check. 2. Probably has made a few hundred billion doing so ... check. 3. Abruptly began publicly promoting himself as a third party, but has only done significant amounts of third party work with one person ... check. 4. Keeps telling us how much isk he has ... check. 5. Starts a goofy channel for 'trillionaires' that only he references ... check. 6. Makes 'auction' on sell orders for a staggering number of CNRs. Winner can't be verified ... check. 7. Runs his first public investment ever. Openly fails to adhere to the terms he presents in his bond post. Bond is almost immediately 'filled.' And with that, I am done. Scam to your heart's content, F9.

CCP Jericho	Posted - 2010.09.29 03:44:00 - [224] An inappropriate post removed.

F90OEX F9X WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.09.29 03:58:00 - [225] Edited by: F90OEX on 29/09/2010 04:00:34 Originally by: Alice Celadon This is not a joke. The problem is that it is merely the cursory outline of previous successful MD scams. It lacks the extra oomph that brought the other scams to the finish line. 1. Ricdic was surrounded by competent, honest people who actually were trying to make EBank succeed and assumed the same of him. 2. Curzon Dax had EVE goodwill eclipsing all reason from his karaoke schtick: if you go back to the original thread you will see players throwing in their money with the line "I don't care if this is a scam, because Curzon makes me LOL." 3. Bad Bobby ran a very tight ship. He had on-time and reliable investment payouts for over two years without a single disgruntled investor before scamming. *Warning, wall of text outlining the F9 story follows* 4. F9O0EX has employed a multi-pronged PR strategy. Anyone who's been reading these boards as long as I have will remember a significant thread, in which someone once asked (was it Darkness?) "I want to be a trusted third party. How do I make that happen?" The responses can be summarized: 1. Have so much isk that you have little reason to scam. 2. Be a very well-known name. 3. Have a history of successfully completed transactions. 4. Have so much isk that you have little reason to scam. 5. Have so much isk that you have little reason to scam. Let's summarize F9: 1. History trading officer mods and CNR ... check. 2. Probably has made a few hundred billion doing so ... check. 3. Abruptly began publicly promoting himself as a third party, but has only done significant amounts of third party work with one person ... check. 4. Keeps telling us how much isk he has ... check. 5. Starts a goofy channel for 'trillionaires' that only he references ... check. 6. Makes 'auction' on sell orders for a staggering number of CNRs. Winner can't be verified ... check. 7. Runs his first public investment ever. Openly fails to adhere to the terms he presents in his bond post. Bond is almost immediately 'filled.' And with that, I am done. Scam to your heart's content, F9. 1. History trading officer mods and CNR ... check. Incorrect never bought and resold officer mods. 2.Probably has made a few hundred billion doing so ... check. Incorrect, if people really do there research they will see I posted and if I remember correctly shown a picture of my wallet showing over 1 trillion ISK. And even at a few hundred billion SFS would of not been stupid enough to trade over the State Raven for 0 ISK. Refunded 180bil to the other party since it made no difference to me . 3. Abruptly began publicly promoting himself as a third party, but has only done significant amounts of third party work with one person ... check. Incorrect, I had no interest been a 3rd party. Again all started in the ship channel after been asked. That's how it started and grew from there. Since chribba was not around 24x7. Again, clearly you have not done your research, there is a 3rd party feedback thread. Got closed after SFS went nuts. 4. Keeps telling us how much isk he has ... check. To show and encourage people IF I can do it so can you.
mechtech SRS Industries SRS.	Posted - 2010.09.29 04:42:00 - [226] Originally by: F90OEX 2.Probably has made a few hundred billion doing so ... check. [i]Incorrect, if people really do there research they will see I posted and if I remember correctly shown a picture of my wallet showing over 1 trillion ISK. Prove your 5-10T isk claim by submitting your limited API key to eveboard.com. If that's too invasive to you, transfer the isk to an alt and submit their limited API key. (Why is this investment shown as filled? I see no investors except for 1 or 2 generic alt characters)
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.09.29 07:02:00 - [227] Quote: Have a history of successfully completed transactions. 4. Have so much isk that you have little reason to scam. 5. Have so much isk that you have little reason to scam I never understood the rationale behind this. If a guy is poor but honest, he won't scam. If a guy is rich but dishonest, he will scam anyway. If Bad Bobby could scam 100B again, would he refrain scamming just because he got 450B or whatever off the last scam? Don't think so. - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Nathan Jameson	Posted - 2010.09.29 08:11:00 - [228] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha If Bad Bobby could scam 100B again, would he refrain scamming just because he got 450B or whatever off the last scam? Don't think so. BB has a certain amount of Goldfinger class to his act, however, and I'd think he'd hold off on cashing in again until he can top his previous stated figure of 850 bil. Anything less would seem like a complete waste of time.
Mishkaii	Posted - 2010.09.29 08:15:00 - [229] Originally by: Nathan Jameson Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha If Bad Bobby could scam 100B again, would he refrain scamming just because he got 450B or whatever off the last scam? Don't think so. BB has a certain amount of Goldfinger class to his act, however, and I'd think he'd hold off on cashing in again until he can top his previous stated figure of 850 bil. Anything less would seem like a complete waste of time. So you'd invest with him again as long as his offering is way under 850 bill?
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.09.29 08:23:00 - [230] Originally by: Nathan Jameson Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha If Bad Bobby could scam 100B again, would he refrain scamming just because he got 450B or whatever off the last scam? Don't think so. BB has a certain amount of Goldfinger class to his act, however, and I'd think he'd hold off on cashing in again until he can top his previous stated figure of 850 bil. Anything less would seem like a complete waste of time. While I agree with this, it was not my point. My point was: "why do people believe that being rich makes scamming / stealing unlikely?". My example was just one of many that would prove this belief as wrong. - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Nathan Jameson	Posted - 2010.09.29 09:19:00 - [231] Originally by: Mishkaii So you'd invest with him again as long as his offering is way under 850 bill? Probably not. After all, the 850 bil quote was actually a lump sum from a number of ventures, not just T4U. I think your 450 bil quote was probably just the T4U itself. And I wasn't arguing against VV's point...just making a comment about the persona of BB himself, who might act differently from the scammer next to him.
SFShootme The Carebear Stare Hydroponic Zone	Posted - 2010.09.29 09:43:00 - [232] Edited by: SFShootme on 29/09/2010 09:45:24 Ahahahahaha, f9, nevah stop believiinnn. How long did it take you to Paint that wallet screen shot together? 5 minutes? Btw, I would not be surprised if ~buyer~ of the State Raven was an alt of you as well. It's lovely to see how your absolutely destroying yourself in this thread.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.09.29 10:02:00 - [233] Quote: And I wasn't arguing against VV's point... I wans not "arguing against" either. I ask for English assistance: I think "arguing against" means disputing in an aggressive / offensive way? How does one write it like (in short form): "discussing with no intent to bite anyone, just talk about it and confront points of view"? - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
RAW23	Posted - 2010.09.29 11:02:00 - [234] Edited by: RAW23 on 29/09/2010 11:03:59 Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Quote: And I wasn't arguing against VV's point... I wans not "arguing against" either. I ask for English assistance: I think "arguing against" means disputing in an aggressive / offensive way? How does one write it like (in short form): "discussing with no intent to bite anyone, just talk about it and confront points of view"? Just 'discussing the point' is probably best as it conveys open-mindedness and collaboration, as opposed to 'arguing against' which might (unfortunately) sometimes be read as carrying two doses of confrontation: 'against' is oppositional and many people sadly understand the term 'argument' more in the context of the kind of fights family members have than in the philosophical/discursive sense.
Lecherito	Posted - 2010.09.29 11:58:00 - [235] Originally by: Phoebe Halliwel Originally by: Lecherito I simply cannot believe that such a poor writer is as rich as you claim to be. So I won't. L I don't see you on eve board broadcasting your squillions. I don't see you on eve board at all in fact. Why is that? What is Eveboard? Yes, that is how much I care. -L
Yoru Yukhantstev Pracovnik Industrial	Posted - 2010.09.30 14:13:00 - [236] Posting here to confirm that I have agreed to do an asset audit of the OP. I have the full api keys for all relevant accounts and will be posting the results in this thread. - Yoru
Yoru Yukhantstev Pracovnik Industrial	Posted - 2010.09.30 14:14:00 - [237] Reserved.
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six	Posted - 2010.09.30 14:16:00 - [238] Originally by: Yoru Yukhantstev Posting here to confirm that I have agreed to do an asset audit of the OP. I have the full api keys for all relevant accounts and will be posting the results in this thread. - Yoru Welcome to the forums. I also congratulate you on your first two posts ever made on EVE-O. ______________________________
SetrakDark Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.09.30 14:25:00 - [239] Originally by: Selene D'Celeste Originally by: Yoru Yukhantstev Posting here to confirm that I have agreed to do an asset audit of the OP. I have the full api keys for all relevant accounts and will be posting the results in this thread. - Yoru Welcome to the forums. I also congratulate you on your first two posts ever made on EVE-O. Ooooh! The "first-time auditor out of nowhere for a floundering offer" are my favorite. This should be great.
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2010.09.30 14:30:00 - [240] Congratulations on having no Google record either. I further congratulate you on understanding that an auditor must have an absolutely unblemished history and reputation, but I can't help thinking that you've kinda taken that a little too literally.
Nathan Jameson	Posted - 2010.09.30 14:54:00 - [241] It's almost like he's a F90 alt, or the alt of one of F90's friends! ... naaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh
SFShootme The Carebear Stare Hydroponic Zone	Posted - 2010.09.30 15:00:00 - [242] That has to be a troll . f9?
cosmoray Cosmoray Holdings Corp	Posted - 2010.09.30 15:47:00 - [243] I am free for a few days. I am willing to take up F9's offer, and I am available to conduct an audit. I will be able to calculate asset value, and see wallet balance.
Alice Celadon	Posted - 2010.09.30 23:58:00 - [244] Dude. Dude. I didn't plan on posting anymore, but I just wanted to congratulate you. "Yoru Yukhantstev" takes this IPO to a whole new level. This IPO is now the gold-plated textbook paragon failed scam. If any of my alliance mates talk about scamming MD, I will be referring them to this thread as THE authoritative counter example.

CCP Navigator C C P C C P Alliance	Posted - 2010.10.01 08:58:00 - [245] Thread locked on request of OP as bond has been sold out. Navigator Senior Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online


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