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Grendell Technologies Unlimited	Posted - 2010.09.20 14:55:00 - [91] Originally by: Chribba Posting to confirm that I did receive an inquiry about securing this bond earlier this morning. I have decided that I will not be securing it. Best of luck to OP and potential investors. /c With that, I'm out. If you need a replacement 3rd party, I'd be happy to hear out the terms. Grendell ♥
My Entity Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2010.09.20 15:04:00 - [92] Originally by: Grendell Originally by: Chribba Posting to confirm that I did receive an inquiry about securing this bond earlier this morning. I have decided that I will not be securing it. Best of luck to OP and potential investors. /c With that, I'm out. If you need a replacement 3rd party, I'd be happy to hear out the terms. Ok, if Grendell secures "full collateral," I am in again =)
Mme Pinkerton United Engineering Services	Posted - 2010.09.20 15:12:00 - [93] Edited by: Mme Pinkerton on 20/09/2010 15:14:38 wrong thread
Grendell Technologies Unlimited	Posted - 2010.09.20 15:14:00 - [94] Originally by: Mme Pinkerton Edited by: Mme Pinkerton on 20/09/2010 15:12:29 One thing I don't understand is: just a few days ago you made a big point out of not allowing the sale of EBANK balances, even between verified accounts; now you present us a system which seems to encourage exactly this behavior (as you cannot control what happens to the shares once they are issued). care to enlighten me on that sudden switch of opinion? Psst Pink, wrong thread. Grendell ♥
Mme Pinkerton United Engineering Services	Posted - 2010.09.20 15:15:00 - [95] Originally by: Grendell Psst Pink, wrong thread. too many tabs...
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six	Posted - 2010.09.20 16:15:00 - [96] Originally by: AnakieNine I've been watching this thread wondering how long it would take for people to catch on. Some players stupidity never amazes me. Thread over. (2009.06.19) http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1102207 Quote: End of the summer I should be over 3 Trillion, not including assets. But Entity wins that game with his net worth alone. You state in another thread that you have been making isk in CRN's for 4 years. So I guess this year you made so much more than your previous years profits and turned 3 trillion into 20+ trillion and increased assets out of this world. Very nice.. Forget about 66 CRN's a day its more like 180 a day to make 10 trillion ie One sold every 8 minutes for about 200mil profit each.. Also telling people to use an alt to register is gold. First time I've ever seen it in a MD thread. Guess it allows you to run another fictitious "trust me" marketing event without any investment or sales. just like your 1000 CNR contracts. Also I don't see anywhere near 500b worth of takers in this thread. Oh yeah sorry. I know they all eve-mailed you privately. Shame that no other IPO in the history of MD has ever had such a high direct, out of forum take-up. You Sir are a winner. o/ Makes you wonder what, if any, reality has ever existed in such statements about his own wealth? F9X, you know that no one would have a problem with you if you weren't constantly shooting yourself in your own foot by both word and deed? Right? Or maybe you just like the attention ______________________________
Aeriella Taneth	Posted - 2010.09.20 18:08:00 - [97] Originally by: Chribba Posting to confirm that I did receive an inquiry about securing this bond earlier this morning. I have decided that I will not be securing it. Best of luck to OP and potential investors. /c Withdrawing my reservation in this case. I am slightly curious as to why Chribba wouldn't want to be associated with this, however.
F90OEX F9X WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.09.20 18:50:00 - [98] From his mail and I hope he does not mind, this was part of the reason. "Seeing the turbulence around bonds/banks/IPOs and the likes lately I've decided to take it a bit slower with said offerings" Also I think he misunderstood when I told him it involved CNR's, because of that, he might have assumed that I was giving him 500bil in CNRs and he would not have the time to sell them. But regardless I was giving him 500bil ISK. Bond is still running only 1 person has pulled for 75bil, any questions send me a mail.
Cista2 Hydra Investment Fund	Posted - 2010.09.20 18:56:00 - [99] Originally by: F90OEX he misunderstood .... only 1 person has pulled Time for popcorn. ----------------------- "Signatures" chatroom / Hydra Fund / LLSE Stock Market
Grendell Technologies Unlimited	Posted - 2010.09.20 19:18:00 - [100] Alright so basically it would involve, holding the collateral which would be in the form of isk. (500b total) What would be the terms you had in mind for a default. As in what are the terms for a liquidation/payout of the collateral if you do not meet your monthly interest payments. A single missed payment? 2 consecutive missed payments? If you'd like to discuss the details and terms in-game let me know. Grendell ♥
Phoenix Pryde Caldari 3-I Area 42	Posted - 2010.09.20 19:51:00 - [101] lol
AnthonyKiedis Goldmen's Sacks	Posted - 2010.09.20 20:42:00 - [102] Edited by: AnthonyKiedis on 20/09/2010 20:45:21 If he were feeling so charitable as he says he is he would do this: <a href="http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=794"> Plex for pakistan </a> Otherwise per occam's razor, this is a convoluted scam that he is trying to disguise as secured risk free investment.
F90OEX F9X WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.09.23 23:03:00 - [103] As promised, Investment strategy plan (PDF) has been mailed out to Investors. Everything has been outlined and discussed from last week in it. You can send your ISK to the Corp (F9X), once done send me a confirmation via mail.
cosmoray Cosmoray Holdings Corp	Posted - 2010.09.23 23:41:00 - [104] Edited by: cosmoray on 23/09/2010 23:43:07 Why can't you link pdf in thread. No doubt you are seriously rich, rich enough to not require this bond. This always make me wonder why you are trying to do this? If this is to be charitable why don't you just give some away? If it is not charitable it does not make business sense as you are putting 500B in collateral and paying 10% per month therefore reducing your returns. Seems to good to be true!! edit: you also state on first page, that if it does not get secured you won't run it. So why are you still trying to run the bond?
F90OEX F9X WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.09.23 23:59:00 - [105] Originally by: cosmoray Why can't you link pdf in thread. No doubt you are seriously rich, rich enough to not require this bond. This always make me wonder why you are trying to do this? If this is to be charitable why don't you just give some away? If it is not charitable it does not make business sense as you are putting 500B in collateral and paying 10% per month therefore reducing your returns. Seems to good to be true!! cosmoray, You have always seemed to be a good senseable guy, so I will answer your questions. I do not require the bond for anything personal, I am sure you know I have everything I want in game that interests me. If I do not I can buy it with my own personal ISK since I have enough to do so. As for giving it away, I have in the past to people that seemed to have made a effort in Eve. I have always helped people out ALWAYS. I know people are ****ed off and on high alert after BB doing a runner and my timing might not be the best, but I am doing the way it works for me and more important the people who want to invest ( some of them have been waiting along time) are happy. I offered Chribba 500bil and he does not want part of it for the reasons mentioned above. You can call it a Scam, too good to be true etc..... All I can say wait 30, 60 and 90days the people who invest will be paid there interest and on the last payment will receive there ISK back + interest, I have no reason to hide, I am not using an alt like most people do, anything I do in Eve have been done with this Char. Your just going to have to wait and see, but as much as internet words mean anything, I can assure you I am not running of with other peoples ISK.
Krathos Morpheus Legion Infernal	Posted - 2010.09.24 00:14:00 - [106] 1st. Are you confirming that you intend to run this WITHOUT collateral? 2nd. Are you going to ignore the discrepancies and incongruences related to the money you claim to have?
Metallion1	Posted - 2010.09.24 02:12:00 - [107] F9 , 100 bil sent as promised . I am sending now due to my going on holiday for 2 weeks . I'm not sure if i will be on the net or not during that time frame . I will be in touch upon my return . Thanks again o/
Grendell Technologies Unlimited	Posted - 2010.09.24 02:18:00 - [108] As previously stated, I'd be happy to discuss securing this offering. Grendell ♥
mechtech SRS Industries SRS.	Posted - 2010.09.24 02:25:00 - [109] Originally by: F90OEX As for giving it away, I have in the past to people that seemed to have made a effort in Eve. I have always helped people out ALWAYS. Except that one time, you know, you took that state raven worth over 100B... Of course you might rationalize that by saying you were helping out. Originally by: F90OEX You can call it a Scam, too good to be true etc..... Your just going to have to wait and see, but as much as internet words mean anything, I can assure you I am not running of with other peoples ISK. The problem people have with this offering is crystal clear, let me put it down in a logical fashion. 1) You're going forward with an uncollateralized bond with only your word as security. A fair few people with greater reputations have scammed exactly like this. There is absolutely nothing about your character that sets you apart. 2) Your isk claims are borderline ludicrous. Even with massive contracts with isk farmers, 3T isk from CNR contract trading is very, very hard to picture. "No assets just straight Isk , My assets are about 10 trillion+ tbh, Liquid Isk is a lot more. " This is hilarious to me. If F9O0EX is your original character, you've been pulling over 10B isk a day in profit from the day you started.... with no breaks.. and not counting for any lost assets. 3) Charity? If you want to do charity, why would you run a bond and go to the effort of having a business plan in a PDF format? You're worth 10T, absolutely nothing you do with this measly bond even compares. It doesn't add up, just give it away in a fun creative way like other rich/bored eve players have done. Charity + straight forward bond = total red flag. 4) Other smaller red flags. The immediate transition to uncollateralized with no attempt to try anything else. The PDF which you "mailed to investors" (Please link this). The careful avoidance of the real concerns people have. The strange sense of deja vu I get as a 5 year follower of MD. To be honest you'll probably payout out this first bond in full and link back here in the future to state how we wrong all along. If you were in it to scam, a bond in this situation would be worth more as further rep grinding. That doesn't excuse the fact that the bond in its current state is a terrible investment. PS: I'd really, really, really like to see some proof of at least 5T of you 10T net worth. You don't seem like a necessarily modest person... please enlighten us
Countesss	Posted - 2010.09.24 02:39:00 - [110] Metallion1 Total posts54. Similar times that coincide with F9's posting times. Also post/bids/pumps bids into F9's sales here and here. Just looks suspicious that he's only around when you are.
F90OEX F9X WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.09.24 02:55:00 - [111] Originally by: mechtech Originally by: F90OEX As for giving it away, I have in the past to people that seemed to have made a effort in Eve. I have always helped people out ALWAYS. Except that one time, you know, you took that state raven worth over 100B... Of course you might rationalize that by saying you were helping out. Originally by: F90OEX You can call it a Scam, too good to be true etc..... Your just going to have to wait and see, but as much as internet words mean anything, I can assure you I am not running of with other peoples ISK. The problem people have with this offering is crystal clear, let me put it down in a logical fashion. 1) You're going forward with an uncollateralized bond with only your word as security. A fair few people with greater reputations have scammed exactly like this. There is absolutely nothing about your character that sets you apart. 2) Your isk claims are borderline ludicrous. Even with massive contracts with isk farmers, 3T isk from CNR contract trading is very, very hard to picture. "No assets just straight Isk , My assets are about 10 trillion+ tbh, Liquid Isk is a lot more. " This is hilarious to me. If F9O0EX is your original character, you've been pulling over 10B isk a day in profit from the day you started.... with no breaks.. and not counting for any lost assets. 3) Charity? If you want to do charity, why would you run a bond and go to the effort of having a business plan in a PDF format? You're worth 10T, absolutely nothing you do with this measly bond even compares. It doesn't add up, just give it away in a fun creative way like other rich/bored eve players have done. Charity + straight forward bond = total red flag. 4) Other smaller red flags. The immediate transition to uncollateralized with no attempt to try anything else. The PDF which you "mailed to investors" (Please link this). The careful avoidance of the real concerns people have. The strange sense of deja vu I get as a 5 year follower of MD. To be honest you'll probably payout out this first bond in full and link back here in the future to state how we wrong all along. If you were in it to scam, a bond in this situation would be worth more as further rep grinding. That doesn't excuse the fact that the bond in its current state is a terrible investment. PS: I'd really, really, really like to see some proof of at least 5T of you 10T net worth. You don't seem like a necessarily modest person... please enlighten us You seem to forget that the State Raven was Stolen and that 180bil was refunded to the buyer. I have handled over 1 Trillion in combined Isk and Prizes for just one of the many lotto's I have 3rd party for, never took 1 Isk, never asked for anything. SINCE you stated I will probably pay out on this bond THEN lets worry about the next one. IF, and IF I run another one I promise you it won't be on here
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.09.24 07:51:00 - [112] I randomly checked this thread and noticed my quite precise and numbered points were not addressed. They weren't typed in a particularly difficult nor inflammatory way but of course, an auditor does pinpointed straight questions. As of now you have not justified why you vaunted credit, twice, with no proof. - Operations involving a fraction of this turnover have presented detailed "GAAP compliant" accounting sheets. - No proof of any compatible NAV has been provided. - Unsubstantiated claim of prestige third party involvement in a crucial step of the operation, to entice deposits. Just to make an example, when done in RL this is a jail crime in my country. Quote: You seem to forget that the State Raven was Stolen and that 180bil was refunded to the buyer. I have handled over 1 Trillion in combined Isk and Prizes for just one of the many lotto's I have 3rd party for, never took 1 Isk, never asked for anything. To debunk Grabriel Virtus suspects how my past being in IT-Alliance could bias my behavior: the State Raven iirc was stolen off the IT coffers, possibly off Sir Molle. Now, the ship was stolen indeed but EvE's rules allow for stealing and scamming, whatever awful things they are. Therefore there was "nothing forbidden" at having done that crime. Therefore it was stolen but now in legitimate and EULA compatible possession of SFS. Only at this point your service gets called into action. You unilaterally foregave neutrality and became roleplay judge. This could be commendable for justice's sake, but it's a BAD THING for a third party service aka the definition of being above the parts. I know this too well, when I had to stick being neutral third party myself at holding intellectual Goonswarm asset while being in IT-Alliance myself. I was flamed and thrown all sorts of manure from every single avenue. But I hardened the face, because being NEUTRAL is the only way to be a trusted third party. As someone else stated: "Being Neutral means ignoring past discretions and being equal to both sides of the transaction. While he did not steal the isk from the intended future owner of the Raven, he did not remain neutral to SFS, and thus, has forfeited any future in the Neutrality business." You have followed a stance not uncommon, even another quite important MD member stated he'd scam a scammer despite he's firmly against scams. But it's not proper neutrality and also goes against the neutral sandbox nature of the game. My simple rebuttal is: if you hate them, don't act like them. Now, being good at social relations apparently was enough to have people forget this - but I'd personally have some issues at thinking I'd give out something of mine not knowing when the "roleplay judge" instinct could kick in and decide my stuff has to be confiscated. Yes they were damn thieves and deserved it, but it was not YOUR role to secure justice. You were coffer, not police. A coffer leaking out. - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Cista2 Hydra Investment Fund	Posted - 2010.09.24 08:59:00 - [113] Originally by: Countesss Metallion1 Total posts54. Similar times that coincide with F9's posting times. ... Just looks suspicious that he's only around when you are. As a matter of fact, this is Metallion1's first post in MD ever. Metallion1 has made 2 posts ever in the Sell Forum, and both have been bumping prices on sales by F900X. I couldn't care less if this is a scam or not, but certaily the offering looks mighty suspicious now. The OP just has to work out a securing agreement with Grendell then there is nothing more to say about it. How many times must Grendell post here offering his service? ----------------------- "Signatures" chatroom / Hydra Fund / LLSE Stock Market
F90OEX F9X WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.09.24 10:48:00 - [114] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha I randomly checked this thread and noticed my quite precise and numbered points were not addressed. They weren't typed in a particularly difficult nor inflammatory way but of course, an auditor does pinpointed straight questions. As of now you have not justified why you vaunted credit, twice, with no proof. - Operations involving a fraction of this turnover have presented detailed "GAAP compliant" accounting sheets. - No proof of any compatible NAV has been provided. - Unsubstantiated claim of prestige third party involvement in a crucial step of the operation, to entice deposits. Just to make an example, when done in RL this is a jail crime in my country. Quote: You seem to forget that the State Raven was Stolen and that 180bil was refunded to the buyer. I have handled over 1 Trillion in combined Isk and Prizes for just one of the many lotto's I have 3rd party for, never took 1 Isk, never asked for anything. To debunk Grabriel Virtus suspects how my past being in IT-Alliance could bias my behavior: the State Raven iirc was stolen off the IT coffers, possibly off Sir Molle. Only at this point your service gets called into action. You unilaterally foregave neutrality and became roleplay judge. This could be commendable for justice's sake, but it's a BAD THING for a third party service aka the definition of being above the parts. Not disagreeing with you, but IF I really wanted to scam, I would of probably done 3 things, take 1 ship (I did) Take ALL 3 ships ( which I could of ) Take all 3 ships AND the 180bil I CHOOSE not too. But what's done is done. As for Molle, he never saw 1 Isk from the whole thing since SFS decided to buy himself a nice Titan, Char and other shiny stuff and make a video Vaerah, In all honesty and you seem to know this as well as I, I open my books 3 things with either come out, he is hacking, China or "one of a kind" BPO. What I can do is open a clean history account and deposit 5T-10T Isk, 10+ BPOs and other high end assets into it and have it fully audited, Will THAT make people happy ? Probably not. People are STILL going to wonder how I acquired it. IF Chribba took the 500bil, most of this would not be an issue, but I cannot force him. Like I said, people seem to be mad over BB calling it a day and running off with the ISK, E-bank closing and few others close to failure. Look where all the audits, protections, checks and balances got them, well the people who invested ... what did it get them ? Nothing. I'll think about it and see if there is some arrangement we can come to, there is a few of you guys I like. But in a sea of alts, I'm not going to just open my "books" to just anyone....
Alice Celadon	Posted - 2010.09.24 11:14:00 - [115] luckily for the newer investors, your prevarications and shiftless shilly-shallying are really obvious.
Martosh Toma Gallente Fraction Investment	Posted - 2010.09.24 11:35:00 - [116] Personaly I think people are mostly posting here because this whole thing makes no sense if it is not a scam of some kind. Why start a public and riskles investment which is fully backed up with isk and has a projected return of 10% monthly. Unless there is risk it would be a charity. People that have 10B usually distrust people offering them charity within eve.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.09.24 13:39:00 - [117] Quote: What I can do is open a clean history account and deposit 5T-10T Isk, 10+ BPOs and other high end assets into it and have it fully audited, Will THAT make people happy ? Probably not. People are STILL going to wonder how I acquired it Being fully audited and stuff overseen by someone like Grendell would be a long way towards establishing a trust partnership with investors. Actually being fully audited would not even tell a lot (I don't think I asked you to get an audit) because eve API would not cover anything about your contracts, would not cover more than a week of anything anyway. But it's your interest - expecially if you want to "enter" the MD investors community - to try and understand (and make them understand) the true intentions. Take i.e. SH recent thread: someone questioned him and he's going at great lengths to ask what people want in order to trust him. That very act of him attracts investors, they SEE he's doing all what is possible (in EvE limits) to tell them / show them all what's possible. Quote: IF Chribba took the 500bil, most of this would not be an issue, but I cannot force him. You have to read in Chribba's words. I would not hold your stuff either, you put him in a position where he could get burned and he got his hands full of kindly given garbage already off recent events. Heck, you have yet to even tell a real reason why you are doing all of this! Public investments are universally known as the last resort, when you exhausted friends, alliance loans etc. then you go on MD and have to ask for public money and prove you are worth it. See why people are suspicious of someone that goes on the "last resort" place to basically shower people with money? It makes no sense to the average investor, it's your duty to inform them about why of this. Quote: Like I said, people seem to be mad over BB calling it a day and running off with the ISK, E-bank closing and few others close to failure. Look where all the audits, protections, checks and balances got them Not one of them had an audit. Surprised, eh?
Amarr Citizen 155 Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.09.24 14:34:00 - [118] Originally by: Martosh Toma Why start a public and riskles investment which is fully backed up with isk and has a projected return of 10% monthly. Actually, it's not fully backed up with isk. He is moving forward with this without securing it. -----------------/finger I only post on MD when I'm too drunk too give a ****.
Vilgan Mazran Aperture Harmonics K162	Posted - 2010.09.24 15:03:00 - [119] Could just put a few T isk on your main and update eveboard w/ isk showing. That'd get a lot of people to shut up in a hurry ;p I wish stuff like this were sincere, and perhaps it is. Then I could lazily toss in 200B or so and not have to do anything to earn 10%/month (which is less than I aim for these days anyway due to laziness). But the way you've presented yourself here, on other boards, and such gives the appearance of not being trustworthy. You've made a lot of claims that seem preposterous without anything to back them up. Not ripping off T'Amber (who I assume you know somewhat and respect/like/whatever) is different than not ripping off random people who send you isk in quantities of 10B+. The fact you've ignored Grendell's offers to secure it are also a bit strange. I personally consider Chribba the only guaranteed "won't scam ever" person, but a lot of people here would likely trust Grendell and that would let you press forward on the whole deal.
Dana Gilmour	Posted - 2010.09.24 19:07:00 - [120] Edited by: Dana Gilmour on 24/09/2010 19:08:56 So this still continues. If you're not looking to make any money of this (you have so much idle money that another 500B won't be of any use to you) and if you're looking just to "help" some people that are "worthy" (have at least 10B) why do you need to hold their money for 3 months or even at all? Why not just verify that they have the amount (so many ways to do it) and then offer them whatever you feel like?

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